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I just graduated from a top private law school and have some solid experience from international and tier 1 internships. I'm on the lookout for an associate role at a law firm that offers a decent salary. Can you suggest any boutique firms that are hiring fresh grads? Thanks a bunch!
From a corp law pov: Due to the population, JGLS becomes extremely competitive. However, on the other hand ALL reputed firms go to JGLS for hiring. One might not find this in “most” law schools.
Also, the whole 900 don’t prefer law firms. Most actually pursue lit and higher education.
Even with all these advantages, someone still managed to skip their history classes lmao.
In my view, we should abolish all quotas, even EWS. Make the whole process 100% marks-based and objective.
It's the classic meritocracy rhetoric with undertones of casteist ignorance. Albeit, this time classism is also here to join the ranks.
I was among the so-called toppers and nerds of my school. My friend circle now has three to four top IIT grad engineers earning way more than I would earn, and one or two are who are not quite there and are hovering a bit below what I would get. I do not doubt that considering my performance in school, I would have certainly made into middle tier IITs if not the top ones like my peers. I am not envying my friends (or maybe I am), but the broader point is not to be a foolish rebel kid who sticks to his decision of doing law irrespective of what others say.
Rebel kids make horrible decisions of choosing narrow streams like commerce and arts in 10th grade. I thought to myself that I am a great person; I chose commerce in spite being a school topper; I am different in that I have not followed the bandwagon. Utter crap. Choosing a stream is making a major a decision on what career you want. Don’t just decide on what your 17-year-old heart thinks is of interest to you, and what is boring to you. Most rebel kids don’t know what their career or “passion” really looks like. Most aspiring law students don’t know an average day in the life of a corporate lawyer. How exactly do you know that you want to be a CA if you don’t know how audit or accounting works?
Be genuine. Your so-called dreams are rarely based out of personal work experience of what you observed around you. It’s mostly the aura that is created by the society around you regarding that job. You know nothing about what various tech jobs are, how the work of CA, Lawyer, IAS officer etc. feels like. So, filter your so-called passions and acknowledge that what you are thinking might not be a complete reality. Those engineer-turned-influencers, who rant on engineering and ask you to follow your heart…. won’t feed you if you don’t get employed.
Please don’t make the terrible mistake of thinking law is largely about debating, arguing, gift of gab etc. Regardless of what kind of law you end up in, you are going to do just reading, things which would end up being mundane and boring, day in and day out. More so in corporate law (as per my trusted alums and what I foresaw during internship). FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, every job largely involves boring stuff (you do same stuff again and again), and some job is way boring than others. You are not going to get an adrenaline rush every day. Secondly, it's okay if you don’t like subjects in PCM or Engineering as long as you are a student who takes grades seriously and would score better regardless of interest. My sibling is a mechanical engineer who does nothing but operates Excel for a foreign MNC. My friend is a chemical engineer from a tier 2 IIT who works in ICICI Bank as an analyst (and he is not an MBA). These jobs will never go to non-engineers. That is how our country’s market is. What you do and What you studied need not have substantial correlation?
You have no idea how limited your scope becomes once you choose non-science stream. Therefore, when elders, especially educated elders say to take PCM they are saying it for a reason. My take is this: until and unless your dad is a bigshot CA, CS, Lawyer, whose clientele you wish to take over, or you want to pursue medicine, you are not certain what you want to do with life ahead. So, take the stream which would have many more gates open.
Most of my NLU friends I would say took what I would now say as the correct path. They tried their luck with JEE and NEET and then gave CLAT. Around 75% of my batch were from science background.
One more advantage of science stream I would say is that you have at-least two-three attempts to succeed in engineering. Even if you didn’t do well in JEE, you still can write GATE and get the same if not more package than a person from top NLU would get. You can try your luck with MBA as well. On the other hand, if you are doing law, CLAT-AILET UG is all that you have to get a good chance of T1 law firm job. You flunk, and statistically your chance of making 17-18 LPA is drastically reduced. LLM even from top NLUs like mine won’t fetch enough jobs around this figure that you decide to do an LLM only for such a job. It would be just an aspiration and not an expectation like UG kids have. Face it, it is this 17-18 LPA figure that attracts most middle-class students. Even if you say that you don’t want a law firm job, deep inside these numbers do give a sense of job security.
Lastly, and this might be off-track for most of you but know this your worldview, needs, philosophy, interests all might change with time. Earlier in school, I was of the view, what is earning lots of money, one day you are going to die and will take nothing. Better live to serve our country. I knew I had cringe level honesty and I wanted to make a difference therefore “Government Job”. My worldview changed a lot, perception of importance and the power of wealth also changed. Now, I hardly care about “service”, I wanna make as much money as possible provided it is legal and doesn’t take a toll on my health. I analysed the possibility of an MBA only to find how big was the opportunity cost of choosing law over engineering.
This change of perspective and worldview should also be understood by T1 law students. Right now, due to increased exposure of LI to law students (though it results in NLS V JGLS cringe), kids like us know that most of us might not stay in law firms for long given the long work hours, high pressure, day to day screaming and burn out. Therefore, a chill life with decent pay might be our goal after law firm. So, maintain your high GPA (or at least the minimum required for govt. jobs or judiciary or academia), keep publishing, take difficult credit courses or external certificate courses etc. even after getting a job.
I am not saying don’t take law. Just know all these and make a conscious decision.
Tldr:
1. Take PCM if you don’t know about future, and 99% you really don’t know. Don’t fake your confidence.
2. Stream is not just about subjects you like but career you want.
3. Give a shot at engineering if you are still confused after 12th.
4. Law is not that big in scope as influencers make out to be and is way more mundane than you think.
5. Know that CLAT UG is the only chance for safely landing that 17 LPA figure
6. Know that your interests, worldview, needs, philosophy etc. would change with time. most of the folks from targeted audience won't be here at LI, but if you agree with my stance do share it with your kith and kin****
Can you name some T3/2 firms from which there would be no discounting of experience while moving to a T1?
Getting the gig - Quality work not brand
Getting lateral gig after A1-2 - Brand only + Practice area
1. Your messages so far seem to prima facie indicate that your ability to proofread is very poor indeed. This is a concrete skill you can work on. In order to be a good lawyer anywhere in the world, you need to be able to proofread well.
2. You won't always be given direct feedback. There might be situations where rules or regulations around feedback (academic settings in particular) stipulate that at most, a hint can be given to you about where your writing is going wrong (e.g., a dissertation supervisor being allowed to go only as far as to say, 'Are you sure every spelling on P. 15 is correct?'). Learn to take a hint. Yes, getting lambasted publicly isn't fun, but this is better than missing a hint in an actual high stakes situation.
3. Following on from no. 2, your ability to engage in self reflection is also very poor. Lack of improvement in this regard is likely to be unhelpful to you in the long term.
If I were you, I'd say this is more useful advice than some random sob story about how somebody made the choice to become a lawyer, for the above points are actual, concrete lessons you can learn in order to be considered even minimally competent in a field that shows little mercy to those who aren't.
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So colleges below these names are a huge risk from a job perspective, and increasing your loan amount 5 times by taking an NRI-sponsored seat instead of just re-taking CLAT and investing properly in a good coaching and yourself.....is a very questionable financial decision that may have huge impacts on your future. If your family can't contribute heavily to the repayment eventually, then you may have to live very cheaply while working at a job you hate for many years before you can switch — and that's assuming that you're one of the lucky ones who can find a job good enough to realistically pay off that huge a loan amount in <5 years in the first place.
Very unfair, of course, but maybe a lesson to be careful about what you say on social media and blogs? And delete some old tweets and posts. 😉
Is it possible and what things should one do to increase the chances!
Seriously, I am genuinely curious about this. This is the #1 trending story in business circles right now and Kotak Mahindra shares fell 2% yesterday. All along the focus was on Hiranandani and Jai Dehadrai's letter to the CBI named Shardul Shroff, but now it seems there are even bigger players pulling the strings!