From 3 to 4 crime spot visits per day to 80. That's the kind of explosion of demand for forensic investigators are seeing due to new laws effective from 1 July 2024. This is just the start. The biggest beneficiary is the NFSU. With a recent funding of ₹2254 crores, the entire criminal justice in the country system is being transformed. Talking of placements, those graduating from NFSU will have jobs lined up for them both in the government and corporate sectors.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/forensic-sleuths-busy-with-80-spot-visits-under-new-laws/articleshow/111470027.cms

The university has increased students' tuition fees to buy luxury cars and expensive music systems for the Vice-Chancellor. The university does not have an adequate drinking water facility for the students. Nagaraj has retired from NLS; now he should retire from TNNLU before he destroys the university.

I'm a 5th year law student looking to pivot from M&A to IP law. After a few internships in M&A, I've realized it's not quite the right fit for me. I'm drawn to IP, but I'll admit my knowledge is limited.

I'm keen to understand what skills are typically expected in an IP internship. I'm also wondering about the best ways to develop these skills. Any readings, resources that would be great for someone willing to learn and just starting out to intern and get some practical experience in IP? Would be grateful for any help.

What sympathy? You personally know the reality of your college. Is it bad to even feel happy for others? What kind of sympathy are you even talking about? I like to know what happens in other NLUs. Yes, most of them are good. Whatis wrong in acknowledging that they are good? It is human to compare, doesn't mean that's to get sympathy. Please chill.

Hardly anyone applies because they won’t get in and already they are having an equivalence degree, not because the degree is less relevant. There is a reason why T-14 law schools are the best in the world. And your argument is emblematic of strawman. I never talked about H-1B visa or stuff like that. Yes it’s hard to get. But that goes for the M7 MBA too. On a whole, it seems like a child’s google search to even know that law school is more rigorous than business school in the US. Just because a random thread complains about work hours doesn’t change the whole gooddamn idea, does it now?

And for me, and for thousands of others- prestige matters. Maybe that’s why Indians prefer upsc over a lot of jobs. Not everything is about money. Period.

Then show me a person from amity who has cracked Harvard JD? Bro you have no idea how many people from even NLS apply for JD and don’t get it. It’s not a rigorous GPA process but in terms of T-14 law schools every detail matters. Plus talk about the lsat no. It’s much harder than GMAT, which the link has already proven and shown. So instead of shedding your insecurity on not getting the JD, try to be better.

Check this sub as well. 90% people regret going to law school. Conduct a poll on LI and you’d find more than 80% people regret to law schools in India as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/MBA/s/FV3vPS5f62

Its simply not about prestige. It s also about which degre gives you more options, money and stability. MBA hands down here. Don’t forget mba is gives you transferable skills which you can use in any geography. JD restricts you to US.

If you go to Harvard for JD and don’t end up willing the H1B lottery. What the hell would you do? Come back to India? How will you pay off the student loans then?

Whereas after MbA you get 3 years OPT, which means 3 chances at H1B. Even thereafter you don’t end up getting H1B, you can always seek transfer within your company to Europe/Canada/Singapore. MBA gives you wings to fly. JD simply doesn’t.

If you have to come back to India, a JD is of no use. Also remember- even in US, after JD, you have to work at a big law firm, which would be more prestigious than Indian Lala firms- but equally brutal hours and mind numbing work. MBA gives you much more options (banking/consulting/corp strategy/ startup/ marketing) etc.

See what makes more sense for internationals. There’s a reason why people from top IITs/AIIMs/ NLUS/ Stephens etc are vying for M7 MBA. And hardly anybody from India would even apply for a Harvard JD. Check the stats.

Read this and come back again https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=233259

For international students, LSAC does not assign a numerical GPA. It only gives you a qualitative rating- average, above average etc. your GPA hardly affects your admission consideration.

It is a well known fact that lsat only matters the most for law school admissions for international students. Spend some time on law school admissions Reddit and educate yourself

Harvard would still like your GPA to be rated above average, but any random person from Amity law college in India with 60% or above would be given above average grade.

Indus Delhi/Gurgaon corp should be totally avoided given how their rainmaker has shifted to SAM.

KCO, Mumbai mein Corporate 7 always has vacancies due to the shitty work culture.

CAM Bangalore has already rolled out PPOs for the 2025 batch so keep it as your last priority.

Trilegal, Gurgaon CK's (i.e. Japan desk/M&A) team and the entire Project Finance vertical always have vacancies due to difficult people at the mid-level.

CAM Bangalore

Trilegal Gurgaon

Indus Delhi

Khaitan Mumbai

( order of wlb, exposure and culture along with learnings and seniors )

Tri Gurgaon

CAM Bangalore

Khaitan Mumbai

Indus Gurgaon

( in terms of A0 salary and repute in industry )

*imp - verified data and info only valid for corporate teams, may vary for others

Can't address your questions in specific detail, as I don't know enough. But let's put this in a historical perspective. Moves like this to various chambers in England and Wales have been known in the past. Lord Steyn, for example, moved from South Africa to England after a distinguished career in South Africa (he made the move in about 1973), to build an international commercial law practice at, I believe, One Essex Court, before taking silk and being promoted to a judge many years later; Lord Hofmann and Sir Sydney Kentridge followed a similar career pathway. Good that Indian lawyers who've made their mark are availing themselves of such options, too.

Over the past decade seen a few Indian Tier 1 SA, PA and even Partners relocating to US/some western countries and starting life fresh as associates in law firms outside India.

Today an ex AZB Partner went to US to start as an associate at a US Law firms San Francisco office. This is not the first time it's happening.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sonali-mathur-135b4914_a-new-chapter-unfolds-in-my-professional-activity-7213772508079001600-PCL5

In the past, one PA from AZB, Partner from JSA left for LLM abroad at late 30s and later started as Associates at US firms.

Why does this happen? No judgements or personal comments.

But do people make a shift like this for career advancement or is it solely for personal reasons?

A PA/Partner makes good money even in India when you account for cost of living.

Work Life Balance - My friend at a V10 NY firm tells hours are as horrible as in India minus toxicity and shouting.

Corrections (Some of these apply to B&F and NOT ECM)

1. Money and Billing - B&F is one of the highest billing practice, high bonuses and eventually high pay at partner levels. ECM sucks on this front as they can barely cover team costs, so any firm practicing this is actually making losses from this practice. Forget bonuses, and the partners make the least, maybe above IP.

2. Inhouse Ops - You dont get any transferability to such positions from ECM. Maybe foreign firms, not companies. B&F on the other hand, surely. The reason is self explanatory.

3. Never ending diligence - This is true for B&F, you work every day 365. The work is continuous. ECM is cyclical, there are months you have no work and many firms fire associates then, after which they overhire when work suddenly increases. This is common practice. B&F me people leave on their own due to continuous mind drowning work.

4. Dynamic - ECM is ANYTHING but dynamic. You work on the same DRHP and backups all your life, at all stages. B&F is highly dynamic though, even though there are templates, as there are negotiations are higher levels done.

Cons:

1. Volume-Driven, never ending due diligence, sleepless nights almost every day (Jan, Feb, March is a total nightmare due to financial closing).

2. Monotonous and boring after 1 to 3 years

3. Requires copy pasting and smart work without much thinking and analysis as compared to majority of the practice areas

4. Fixed fee billings and clients who want bulky work done for pennies

5. Juniors thrown under the bus until the PA Stage since there is very little document hygiene and direct oversight by the senior members who solely manage negotiation and vetting

Pros:

1. After 3 to 5 years, the practice feels like a game since you end up learning a lot at the junior stage

2. Quite dynamic in terms of service offerings i.e. structured debt, project finance, securitization, term loans, fintech, restructuring, IPOs, QIPs, preferential allotments; et al, thus very steep learning curve.

3. Too much attrition at tier 1s until the A3 stage so more lateral opportunities at big firms

4. Way too many in-house openings at the seniority stage with 25-30% paycut for the sake of sanity

5. Since these practices expect no room for any form of mistakes, you master skills like formatting, math (upto a certain extent), book keeping and develop a financial bend of mind.

I mean, i get that work in such domains can be volume driven and slight monotonous but isn't that similar across domains?

You're still reading a ton of documents for that deal in M&A or regurgitating on disputes side.

Don't mean to dunk on other domains but would like to understand the pessimism towards BnF/Cap marks.

I interned at Parinam last year, they don't pay any stipend to interns but the work sometimes gets hectic, even for interns. The Associates working there are young most of the SA's and PA's leave early after dumping work either on the associate or the intern. The civil litigation team was really overworked when I was there, the environment amongst the associates is friendly but toxic between the higher ups. There was only one associate who really taught me and guided me don't know if I can disclose his full name but his initials are AM. I saw him argue in court also, seems to be overqualified for the job. Don't know what is the fresher pay is but when I asked I was told it depends from team to team.

Both tbh have no placements or very minimal, however you do not have an attendance requirement in PGCL or it is not as strict, Both let you intern in the final two years of your college and Nmims does have a better campus now ( we got an email to move to a new building yesterday ) but if u get pgcl i would personally pick that, upto you tho and good luck :)

Dear, i feel that non-CA lawyers should think at least 100 x times before entering this space of taxation. Sometimes they are not given preference in lateral hiring too (unless you are extraordinary) So a situation may arise that you have to remain at the same firm for a longer period of time or maybe rest of your life and always have limited options in your career left to earn your peanuts.

A lot of non-CA lawyers who works in taxation practice at such firms are stuck and unsatisfied in their careers due to this situation. Further there is no good tax practice beyond these firms so you already have limited switching options left for you my friend.

Your current firm seems small with a great partner. One of the best combos to start off. Stick to the place.

To other place, if they really liked you and are nice bunch of people. Explain your situation and they'll understand. While give them a hint you'll eventually join them maybe 1-2 years down the line.

Difference between 60/80 k isn't that much vis-a-vis the bad reputation you'll earn.

Bro this is your first internship right? I repeat nobody will tell you. But 50-80% PPOs are reference of some kind or other. Either you come from an elite college which is an automatic reference. For most others, even when you are brilliant, a reference needs to be manufactured in order for you to be absorbed. When will new students understand rhis

Hey everyone,

So I'm interning at a T3 firm. Something weird happened and I'm not sure what to make of it.

My co-intern just got an internship extension for the next few months, which I thought was pretty rare here. Now I'm wondering - is this a normal thing, or is there more to it?

Someone mentioned that this kid's relative is buddies with one of the partners. Got me thinking - does having contacts really make that much of a difference for internships? Can you just hit up a partner if you know them and score an extension just like that?

I always thought were super strict about this stuff, but now I'm not so sure. Is this kind of thing common and I'm just out of the loop?

It’s an all equity partnership and a lockstep. Look those terms up. He’ll earn more than twice what an SA in any team earns. Trilegal does not pay different practices differently.

He’s going to execute for a team that is completely all out at the moment. Doesn’t need to have his own clients