Hi good people of LI,

I am currently employed in a toxic chamber and making a move to in-house, talks are on final stages and in-house people want to have an ITR-EPFO verification to avoid contacting directly to my employee to verify my employability.

The income is transferred directly to our account without any deductions. the income is below 3LPA.

I don't want to serve the notice period at this toxic place and taking an exit for health reasons. Please give suggestions on how to handle this situation, want to avoid communication from in-house people with my current employer.

Thanks in advance.

A good move by him. He’s been taken with 2 other partners from CAM who have a good name in the market as well. Trilegal wouldn’t have taken Murtaza if he wasn’t worth it. His team is known to do good work as well, always had a pleasant time working with them. A small hardworking team moving up the ranks.

Holy projection batman! you dont know anything about me. Dont be so insecure you have to find strawmen to fight. Its not about necessity and arguing the edge case of the backbencher who turns out to be law genius. Thats an edge case. Academic success largely is a good measure of whether a fresh graduate knows what they need to know when they graduate. And discipline and vigor in one area of life usually translates into that in other areas.

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Why can't I rant? If after putting in the hard work and requisite number of hours, I rant on this platform to vent why is it a problem? This is my way of coping with it. I'm ranting but that does not mean I am not putting in the work as well. If you can come to this pedestrian platform as a so called academic, ranting about the quality of the student community and berating them as glorified clerks then why can't a student share his experience? You call them glorified clerks. This is what you call people who go for corporate jobs. Yes we want to become glorified clerks, that is our horizon of aspiration and that should be completely fine. Not everyone is privileged enough to pursue fancy LLMs and PhDs or go into litigation related work. Some of us come from low income families and have to put food on table. If firms prioritise grades as a metric of our competency we have to compete for those. Even top 5 students are vying for those jobs only. Then , the only person who seems to show arrogance and contempt is you and teachers like you. You show contempt for a student's career choices and arrogance about your own infallibility. Yes, I have tried to ask for 'feedback' from these teachers and have not received satisfactory answers. Also, I don't ask senior associates and partners to keep me engaged because it's not their job, and even then some of them explain different concepts and research propositions in a manner that we as interns feel engaged. I have asked for the most stupid questions and clarifications and have not once been berated by them, because they know that I am learning and it's okay to mistakes in the learning stage.No gainsaying that I have learnt more in my internships than I have from people like you who have no respect for their students, even when they work hard. No these teachers don't hate me, but that's not even my point to begin with. All I said was they have biases and that they are not perfect, exalted beings that are incapable of any error. You say you want all students succeed. The truth however is you would be happy if your pet students succeed and for the rest you wouldn't really care and would probably berate them on platforms like these. Please spare us the moral lecturing, professor. I never said it's okay not to work hard. I work hard despite the system being rigged against me. Andd, why are you spending time responding to this errant kid on this platform? Surely, teachers don't have time to hold personal grudges/engage in petty talk. The simple truth is this: It gives you an ego boost to show a student such as me 'their right place' because how dare can this lowly student even voice their concerns/find a venting space when the ultimate pinnacle of knowledge with 'multiple degrees' should have the last word on anything. I have had bad experiences with teachers and despite that I have never diluted the effort I put in to my work. You ideally should not negate my experience, but nothing I say would change your prejudiced views.

What makes you think I am not a good student and not putting in requisite hardwork? Do you know me personally? No right? I'm in the top 10 students of my class, just not top 5 and would have been had I resorted to ingratiating teachers like other students do. And no I'm not a 17 year old who has uninformed opinions. Your conclusions are generalizations and nothing you say to deny that would change that. You very conveniently side step addressing the personal biases of teachers and misconstrue what I am saying. I never said that teachers have an incentive to be corrupt in their marking criteria but that they are infallible people with their own set of biases. If you studied from NLU you would know that the term examinations are often anonymized and the teacher would not know whose script they are checking. It is the internal component where they would unleash all their biases and mess up people's grades. I'm not surprised that you conveniently bended my valid criticism of your community to mean that students like entertainers as teachers. That is not what I said. But ivory towers like you would not understand. One of the best teachers I had were neither entertaining not charismatic , they just knew the law really really well and nudged everyone to be a better version of themselves, even the weakest student in class instead of berating them and their career choices. Ironically one of the best teachers I had was also a consti law professor and she was neither entertaining nor charismatic but everyone had immense respect for her because she was fair, was empathetic to students concerns and included everyone in class discussions. What I do or don't in classroom is of no consequence in this discussion. A good teacher would include everyone and not prioritise the view points of her favourite students. I don't need a practical stranger on the internet to tell me what should be done. Why can't I rant?

Instead of talking about her, especially anonymously, like this, why not try talking to her? Maybe, instead of writing posts on LI to gain upvotes or LinkedIn for 'likes', why not use LinkedIn in the best way it can be used - to network? Maybe connect with her on there (by sending an invitation with a properly crafted 300 character long note, explaining how you found out about her and why her career is of interest to you), actually write a proper message to her, ask for an informational interview and find out about her trajectory? Maybe do that by starting with questions about something specific, e.g., the moot or her working under a judge and ask for advice about how to bag such things, and then about other achievements? Or is that too much serious work for you?

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Anyway, for those who are mindlessly scrolling on here, want to do serious work in life but can't because, of course, nobody who scrolls this site has any basic research skills, here is her actual LinkedIn profile. ▮▮▮

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/iram-huq-06b69746/

Sahi kaha. In ko lagta hai saare engineers CS hain aur sab Google mein kaam karte hain. They totally forget a vast amount of BTech grads are not CS and a vast majority of them are not even from T1 and T2 engineering colleges. I have seen Btechs working in HR department of my company. A lot of Btechs do MBA and can be seen in very generic operations or administration roles. Civil Engineers and Electronics engineer also do not have an easy life.

It's what I told her, but apparently even her parents are leaning towards BITS for some reason. I'm not gonna go offer unsolicited advise, any more than I already have. I'm sure PGCL is quite possible with her percentile in MAHCET. Like you and few others said, that followed by an MBA or LLM even abroad should be more lucrative than a 5y 60+ lakhs course at BITS.

Have been informed of PPO interview with Khaitan Mumbai corporate and CAM Bangalore Corporate. Trilegal Gurgaon and S&R Delhi also showing up at campus day zero. Having confidence of clearing each and any interview, what do the revered industry folks advise is the best place to start off and sustain ? All GC/ MNA teams

Added info that I hail from Bihar so distance wise no barriers in pro or cons ? What other benefit or drawback for each team exists

you should be ashamed for carrying on this hideous practice, exploiting law students in the name of providing internships. If you are so righteous, try to help those who are underprivileged by giving them the appropriate help rather than making a bank out of someone’s vulnerability

Lmao comparing NLS ba llb with Harvard jd makes you the most delusional person ever. A) you will never even set foot into their llm programme (which is looked down upon by the jd students) and B) stop calling yourself the ‘Harvard of the east’ then? Joining Harvard is exceptional if it’s JD. Period.

Lallums have earned it themselves by sacrificing their own individuality and by disowning their own grad school, just to get that NLU tag. Once they pass out of their barely 10 months course, they start calling themselves NLS product. On Linkedin, in job interviews everywhere they try to live this impostor life. Which is of course similar to what "some" NLS grads do after going to Harvard for LLM like OP. But I have still seen NLS or NALSAR grads who have done LLM in Harvard and Yale openly call themselves NLU grad, I am yet to see a BHU, DU, AMU, LU grad who has done LLM from NLS to acknowledge their grad school.

They will just introduce themselves as NLS alums, try to get in LLB whatsapp groups, try to leverage LLB alum networks and what not. In a way I think it is disadvantageous to actual NLU grads as these lallums want to take benefits of both LLB networks, that is their own grad school LLB network and their PG school's LLB network. I mean I strived hard, sacrificed and dropped a couple of years to join NLS and make use of its networking power and alum connections and here are these lallums who want to do it for free. That way I will say even MBL students should be allowed. It should either be all or none.

Not just NLS. In all the top NLUs, LLMs are seen as people (unless if they actually want to be a professor, which by the way are a very very few minority students) who think they will do a 12 months vacation course and get the same branding as an LLB or same day zero as an LLB. That is heights of delusion, not knowing the reality in your own country. I have seen these people calling themselves a NLS and NALSAR grads until truth comes out in interview. I mean if they were not there just for the tag they would have proudly called themselves a Delhi University grad or a Lucknow University grad or whatever. The point is be proud of what you are and instead of running after false name tags why not strive and slog your way up the ladder.

Excellent sarcasm. An Indian guy right here at Harvard told me of this website a while back when I was a 2L. He described it as a place which was really good to vent and rant on random stuff about, and where you could find high class shitpost content, if you were looking for that sort of thing (and he was right!).

To answer the question, I didn't know about this place called N.L.S. until now, and I'm quite intreagued to learn about it. But seriously, you guys sure as hell gotta develop a thicker skin, if you're from there. Hell, we used to kid even LLM's who'd been to law school at Oxford for Christ's sake, so how do you think we'd treat folks from a place most of us hadn't heard of in a country half of us couldn't find on a map?

Guys, you carry on like this and the attitude of even folks like me who'd kid LLM's just to troll, rather than to put 'em down, will be like that of that there guy the limeys call Sherlock Holmes. The old Brit once said something pretty smart, apparently: 'Now that I know it, I'll do my best to forget it'. That'll be about how folks at Harvard would start thinking about N.L.S.

I beg to differ. This was true may be 15 years back. These days I will say anyone who dares to open a newspaper and has kids or family members who are about to go to college or exploring options will have at some point of time known about the existence of national law universities. So decently exposed people do know that something like NLUs exist, although they may not know what a NLS or a NASLAR is.

Absolutely not. If/when your senior gets to jump to a T1, she'll be able to recognise the difference. ICICI is a simple 9 to 5 as a norm, with Saturdays and Sundays being partially working on rare occassions. Not to mention that for the first few years, you don't have the responsibilities or oversight that would require you to ordinarily go beyond your work hours.

ICICI is a great option for those who want good breakfasts and an even better work life balance. The career progression takes a dip with seniority & pay scale can't dream of eventually keeping up, but otherwise, as long as you don't mind the clerk-type in-house work profile, it's a decent option vis-a-vis T1s.

I only date blonde hair, blue eyed aryans. I am an artist as well, yet failed to get in art school and now am studying law with a chip on my shoulder. I am thinking of growing a moustache as well, not too long. Short and easy to maintain. but i don't think caste or skin matter. Also want to try some smoke in my chambers ?

Hey everyone,

Does anyone here know about any part time gigs in the legal arena (like research, proof reading, etc) that require a couple of hours worth of work per day? (or more, I don't mind)

Or if you're aware of any places where I can find such opportunities that would be great as well! So far I've already scoured through LinkedIn and other websites.

I'm a 2024 graduate (in case that's relevant), and since job hunting is going shit anyway, might as well try to earn something in the meanwhile. Any inputs are welcome!

He did all this with the approval of the EC. If that gets disproved, doubtful EC would do anything. If Nagraj becomes a liability for the powers that be, he will be allowed all the time in the world to resign and/or get suitably accommodated elsewhere. Will accrue no penalties. His successor will also bin inquiries, if any.

Examples -

1. VR - Messiah

2. PIB-Lord Taluk-NKC

3. SS-VK-SK

Almost all NLUs. After all they all swim in the same pond. TLC-NLU-foreign educated makes no difference. Only some are more urbane and suave than others.

Which one was it NLUO or Jabalpur? By the way the current VC of NLU Jabalpur also did wonders of similar vein at NUJS. And then he wasn't even the VC!!

Also was he the one who made the sexist comment in NLSIU concerning the dresses of female students? And then he was quickly accommodated as a VC somewhere? I think LI had done a story on Nagraj when the controversy broke at NLSIU.

The thing is that IIULER is deciving the common people and students by stating themselves as a Public University! They states that it's enacted through the Act 16 of 2021 (it is decieved as the Act of Parliament) - In reality, IIULER is established under the Act 16 of 2021 of the Goa State Legislature (They added the said thing only in May 2024 in their website) - Moreover, IIULER is branding itself as an institution owned by BCI. People get decieved that since BCI is a Public Statutory Body, IIULER is also a Public One!

In reality, IIULER is not owned by BCI - It is owned by the BCI Trust - PEARL FIRST established on 2020 as a Public Charitable Trust under the Delhi Registration Act. BCI Trust - PEARL FIRST is an INDEPENDENT and AUTONOMOUS BODY and is not a part/unit of BCI (Refer BCI Notifications in their official website)!

Nowhere in the website of IIULER discloses the said thing. Moreover, they did not mention that it is a PRIVATE UNIVERSITY established under Section 2(f) and they are not getting any fund from UGC/government under Section 12(b) of UGC Act!

NLUs, IIULER, Symbiosis all are using