Read up about him: www.linkedin.com/in/shiva-santosh-yelamanchili-09779028/?originalSubdomain=in

www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/topper-to-work-among-grassroots-back-home/article7597966.ece

There are multiple others. You wanted a single example so here it is.

The part of the hypothesis re foreign unis is correct. There is really a very strong representation of good NLS students in that.

However, the "corporate paper pushers" part, at least from the list provided in another comment, not so much. Yes, some of them have obtained TCs in London firms, but not all that many, which is all to the good, I would have thought.

In the list in the previous comment, the names of three people who are barristers (or pupil barristers) working in England have been provided, so going with the a priori assumption that that list is a representative sample, the part of your hypothesis about courtroom advocacy being not so popular a career choice also falls out the window, especially as there are probably more like that. If you think about it, becoming a barrister in England is a process which gives lots more appreciation and scope to people with strong intellectual ability (like NLSIU toppers) - this ('intellectual ability') is in fact a criteria that pupillage committees in chambers in England and Wales often insert into pupillage adverts. Going into litigation in India has historically been seen in India as the easy softball choice for people finding placement hard. As Sudhir Krishnaswamy, the current NLSIU VC, points out correctly, the difference between the Indian legal profession's structure and let us say that of England is that ours has a reasonably wide entry gateway and sorting your career out after entry is more of a problem than gaining entry, while their gateway for entry is very tight, and your career is likely to be more stable once entry has been achieved because the tightness of the gateway itself is seen as a way of earning your stripes to a certain extent. Therefore, what do you think people would have found historically attractive when it came to making a choice between those setups? I think there is hope for positive change (for India) on this score, considering the western direction of travel in terms of tightening immigration restrictions etc (I suppose many might find the combination of a tight entry pathway into a foreign legal profession + a hostile immigration system a bit too daunting for their tastes).

As for "serving the country", what about Sudhir? Hasn't he served his country by coming back? Khaitan by being on the editorial board of the Indian Law Review and setting up the Junior Faculty Forum for Indian Law Teachers (JFF-ILT)? All these guys who went overseas, by showing abroad that NLSIU is, should be and deserves to be the sort of law school whose name, when heard or seen, is one that causes people to sit up and take notice?

I know of some people that did quite well at NLSIU, and were definitely near the top of their batch, if not the top:

1. Tarunab Khaitan: Superb guy, have spoken to him just recently. Went to Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar. Completed BCL, MPhil and DPhil (PhD at other unis) at Oxford, after which taught at NYU, Melbourne etc., before returning to Oxford again for a number of years as the Professor of Public Law and Legal Theory. Now the Chair in Public Law at LSE (previous holders of this post have included Carol Harlow, Martin Loughlin and Thomas Poole).

2. Harish Narasappa (founder of Samvad Partners): He was a few years before T. Khaitan's time. Completed BCL in Oxford, after which he worked as a solicitor in England for a few years at HSF, before returning to India and setting up Samvad.

3. Sudhir Krishnaswamy: The goat. Also a Rhodes alum, did BCL and DPhil in Oxford. Taught, among other places, at Buckingham, Oxford itself, Columbia, Nujs and APU, before returning to NLSIU as VC to rescue it from decline because of mismanagement.

4. Dev Gangjee: Again, Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, Prof. of Intellectual Property there now. Taught at LSE as well.

5. Shyamkrishna Balganesh: Rhodes Scholar at Oxford (again!) after graduating from NLSIU, completed BCL and MPhil there. Went to the U.S. after that and did an American Qualifying Law Degree (the J.D.) at Yale (completion of his J.D. in 2007 establishes proof, if proof were needed, of NLSIU being the trend creator of some rare excellent NLU students doing J.D. degrees in the U.S. as well), before teaching at University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School; he left there some time back, and is now Sol Goldman Professor of Law at Columbia.

6. Lavanya Rajamani: LLM at Yale, BCL and DPhil from oxford (where she teaches now as well!). Formally taught at Cambridge also.

7. Sandeep Gopalan: Currently at University of Maryland Eastern Shore (think he was Rhodes as well). BCL and DPhil from Oxford. Has taught at Deakin and Newcastle (Australia) and National University of Ireland Maynooth.

8. There is a guy called Krishnaprasad (forgot his last name). He is a barrister in England at One Essex Court. He got pupillage (a difficult thing to do even for the best graduates from top UK law schools) after completing BCL, MPhil and DPhil at Oxford, and teaching at Oxford during his DPhil.

9. Ayushi Agarwal: Read for the BCL in Oxford as a Weidenfeld-Hoffmann Scholar, seems to have almost completed DPhil there as well funded by Oxford Law Faculty and JN Tata scholarships. Recently was called to the bar of England and Wales by Inner Temple and will be starting her pupillage at 8 New Square Chambers.

10. Aradhya Sethia: LLM from Yale, MPhil from Oxford, PhD from Cambridge. Currently pupil barrister (barrister-in-training, undertaking pupillage, basically) at 7 King's Bench Walk.

These are what I can remember from the top of my head. Some academically excellent students got training contracts at prestigious law firms, e.g., Linklaters. Hope this is helpful.

Because I unfortunately find this happening to me, at a well-known NLU. I am actually falling into depression a bit. I am a social person and am blessed with good communication skills. However, my political views place me in the minority of my generation. My views are actually closer to that of older generations (so you can guess which way I lean). As a result, I feel I am being shunned socially in college for holding “non-trendy” views. Honestly, it’s extremely depressing but I don’t want to fake my views and pretend to be someone I am not. ☹️

Hi folks, this is the Original Poster. Reminder to please keep this thread alive and update us of whatever the decision is, for either June or July interns. KCo usually gets back a little late anyway, so I guess most of us can expect to hear back by November or December.

At any rate, post-Diwali only, but regardless, bumping this for any updates.

What are you talking about? I havent pulled down anyone. Simply stated that I personally find those sports dull to watch and believe that most women would agree with me. I've said nothing about whether people should do those sports or if they should get paid or if its worth the resources thats paid into those sports.

Ravi is not the problem he’s a good boss. You just technically won’t be dealing with him directly for the most part. ▮▮▮ The timings are fairly flexible compared to other teams but it’s easier if Ravi is your boss as he spends most of his time in Bangalore.

The team doesn’t love each other. It’s hard to do with this kind of work load. ▮▮▮. Not the healthiest environment. Another PA is leaving. One of the PAs is lovely. ▮▮▮ The also tend to cut the PQE of lateral hires more than other teams at CAM. This is unfair and insane since this isn’t the best team to be in and they always want people.

Out of the partners, VP seems the most normal. Quality of work is decent. Good exposure in terms of clients. But genuinely the loveliest person in the team is Sarita Khatana. She’s the team EA. She’s a gem of a person.

Can't comment on the team or the work culture, but have known Bandhu since college. He has not changed one bit in 30 years. Completely disarming, self-effacing, sensitive and thoughtful. Bumped into him in an airport just 3 weeks ago and he was the same realistic and decent guy he always was. He understands human foibles and I would imagine that is a great quality in a team leader. If he isn't over-delegating and is keeping an eye, I would imagine it's an excellent team.

There are lots of valid complaints here, not least the bad teaching, and the practice of levying fines. However, I would note that the higher education systems of the world which tend to get things right also have quite strict attendance mandates, with student visas and/or funding/scholarships/loans being impacted if attendance is not up to the mark. Also, I think the NLUs' practice of giving some marks based on class participation/attendance is a good incentive, but would obviously be difficult to implement with such a criminally large cohort (if the numbers of students quoted here are to be relied upon) and if the teachers are bad.

See I think you miss the point. The students at Christ are genuinely extremely brilliant, take it from someone who studies there, and gets insecure at how brilliant their peers are. They are self motivated and do not generally engage in any stupid activity. The point of problem here is that the teachers don't teach, or if they're absent we just sit like idiots in class staring at walls since we can't even open our laptops to do some more work. At such times when there's literally nothing happening in class we're still made to sit and waste precious time and all for what? Attendance.

Not to mention, the UGC mandate is 75%. The only reason for this 85 cut off to ever exist is that christ can squeeze out some more money from us poor students who end up not meeting the 85 criteria. They can just keep extra classes or assignments for those who don't meet the criteria, but they purposefully ensure fines are the route they take. Educate yourself properly please, the situation in Christ is not as simple as you're thinking. Don't blame the students, the students at Christ and genuinely very very dedicated individuals.

Thats not the case. Please read the policy carefully and stop spreading rumors.

Any law school that does not have an attendance policy is breaching BCI regulations.

NLUD Students still will be debarred for low attendance. Maybe some relaxation this semester but not in future. Marksheets will show the student is giving repeat. And there are other caveats as well.

Also AILET is to be cleared to get admission. Forms are open now to give AILET exam.

Clearly shows you have never filled up a foreign law firm application anywhere. If you actually tried filling up the application forms of some law firms in England, they would ask you if you had achieved, or were on track to achieve, a "2:1" or an "upper second class" degree (which mean the same thing), and if you didn't, they would say "You do not meet our minimum requirements". Some firms even specify minimum grade entry requirements on their website. The process that happens for many students at English unis who achieve their TC offer while they are still at university is that the law firm tells them that their TC offer is conditional upon them achieving a certain result in the remainder of their law degree examinations (which would usually lead to the achievement of an upper second class or first class degree) and certain marks in the SQE. A similar process would apply to Indian law graduates who achieved training contract offers, who would be made to do the SQE and perhaps for some firms the Graduate Diploma in Law (GDL) after their vacation schemes.

Again, if you actually had a clew of what you were talking about, you would know that there was a scandal involving an SQE provider in which many candidates were mistakenly failed in the SQE, because of some sort of marking system error on multiple choice questions. Those among the impacted candidates who had training contract offer conditions imposed by firms who had either accepted them directly, or after assessing them through a vac scheme, still to fulfil had their TC offers withdrawn by their firms (I don't know exactly how the scandal panned out in the end re those TC offers, but I do know that compensation was offered and those failure records were corrected).

Please, therefore, do not propagate this ill-informed nonsense. Actually understand and read up on what you are talking about.

Says who? In the US, UK, Singapore, everywhere which is a developed economy only people with a fancy degree get doors opened. Does not matter what work experience you have. it is ridiculous to say that someone with a Columbia JD will have the same opportunities as a Brooklyn Law School JD with more work experience.

1, 2 and 3 are not mistakes at all.

2 you have to plan for.

5 is a mistake - should have focused more esp since u say u can't afford to take lit because it does not pay much.

None of your solutions are helpful.

Your best bet is to find a boutique that needs folks for corporate work, learn, upskill on the job and then look to work your way up - either at the boutique where you grow or by moving to traditionally tiered firms.

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3. Yes. Very. Especially those from India - lawyers from other countries have a sense of loyalty to their fellow nationals and help out, Indians hate other Indians and make it as tough as it possibly can - mostly stonewall.

4. Find employment then worry about salary and perks. Most find below market pay, the ones that are fortunate and connected can find market pay (all start at an A0 level).