As someone who decided to shift to Law from Science and got into SLS Pune in a mere span of 2 months, I would say it is not that big of a deal and I have seen some undeserving people too get in. Now here are some plausible reasons:

1. Fees are damn high, so already the economic cream of the society or those with affluent law backgrounds decides to pursue Law in here, barring a few exceptions which are here on loan or on the verge of taking one. So, not the best minds even apply to give SLAT.

2. CLAT/AILET/Jindal already takes away the best candidates from this "economic cream", so the competition gets lesser.

3. I have this feeling that all you need is luck in the first round of SLAT and somehow score. GK sections like CLAT can come from anywhere around the world, but the twist is there is no negative marking, so people end up betting on luck. Guess what? This applies to all the sections, and a person with a basic IQ, mathematical skills, legal knowledge, and luck can easily get 45+/60, which pretty much confirms the seat.

4. Then the most renowned part, "Personal Interview", is basically a strategy for the college and students to say, "Oh, we do not just choose on the basis of one exam, but we test overall aptitude". No way it is fair. Everyone gets a different set of faculties who have different mood swings during a certain time and can ask you anything. It is again luck as to what they ask if your answer is objectively correct, can subjectively make them satisfied, etc.

But well, it's still a big deal since it is considered the "2nd best Private University", and not everyone can make it to SLS Pune, and people have to resort to going to the smaller branches or drop the idea as a whole.

Also, who said Symbi couldn't match the feats of the Top 5 NLUs?? You all cannot beat us in having the worst management of all law colleges, high faculty attrition, having our LLM Alumni who are 5 year older than us teach us as their part-time job at sub-par salary, overburdening students with compulsory committee works while managing twenty internal assignments per semester and attending online lectures while having goddamn internships (Yes this time they had the audacity to give us around 10-12 internals in our only semester break LOL and we have our internal moot season next month). So yes let us debate which T1 NLU can beat us to this level of mismanagement.

The GPA system is quite skewed which is why deserving people sometimes dont land a job/have it the hard way. Since its an established brand, I know very average/not so smart folks connect with the alumni and land insane opportunities. But yeah, simply relying on campus placements may not cut it if thats what you want to know.

Simple logic, which someone has also said here: Jindal wants a slice of the rich Indian students applying for their LLB in the UK. They want to attract students who won’t make it to Oxbridge, LSE, KCL, UCL, Warwick, Queen Mary or any of the other good Russell Group universities. I myself know students who have turned down places at non-Russell Group universities like Essex and Sussex to go to Jindal. They will apply abroad for LLMs instead (note that Essex and Sussex are quite good, but people have this hangover about the Russell Group brand).

Also, whereas CLAT is held all over India and attracts students from ordinary backgrounds and schools, Jindal only caters to students from 7-8 cities and from elite schools. The LSAT was only held in these cities and now the LNAT will continue to be held in this cities.

Mate, you're smart, but you make one key mistake here: do you think we/our parents are that stupid, relying blindly on QS rankings? For your information, some of our parents have regular dealings with NLU graduates from the top places - NLS, NALSAR etc. We/they, therefore, know that all the hype not withstanding, there is a significant difference between NLU vs. Jindal quality, a difference not in favour of Jindal. Our hated nepo status, remember? We have quality information and the ability to make use of it (or at least I hope most of us have the latter).

Therefore, if I'd got the chance to make that choice about my legal education again, I'd have thought about it the same way: top-ranked option - UK law schools; option no. 2 - one of the significant NLUs; option after that - universities in the U.S./Canada for a non-law degree. Reassuringly, no Jindal in the mix. Hope this clarifies things.

-Anonymous student of a UK law school that is not Oxford or Cambridge.

Official press release below. I find the twice yearly model interesting. The winter option could be for droppers who couldn't clear CLAT, for students at bottom-tier colleges looking for a way out, for class 12 students who want to book Jindal as a safe option before appearing for CLAT, and for NRIs abroad who may have different calendars. Not a bad move.

This strategic shift aligns JGLS with global best practices in legal education and ensures that candidates possess the analytical capabilities necessary for success in the rigorous study of law. The LNAT-UK, an internationally recognized test, is widely used by leading law schools in the United Kingdom and is renowned for its ability to assess candidates’ aptitude for legal reasoning rather than their knowledge of specific legal subjects.

The LNAT-UK consists of a multiple-choice section and an essay component, both designed to assess candidates’ critical thinking, comprehension, and reasoning abilities. Detailed information about the test format and preparation resources can be found on the official LNAT website....

Admission to JGLS will be done in two phases. The first phase of early admission process will commence on 1st September 2024 where students will register and take LNAT-UK Test during 1st September to 31st December 2024. Admission to these candidates will be offered in January 2025. The second phase of registration and taking the test will be 1st January to 31st May 2025 and students will be admitted in June for the remaining seats.

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/jindal-global-law-school-adopts-lnat-uk-as-mandatory-entrance-test

https://theprint.in/ani-press-releases/lnat-uk-becomes-the-new-mandatory-admission-test-as-jindal-global-law-school-announces-2025-admissions/2223377/?amp

As someone said above, LSAT India had an "image of being easy". LNAT is a test with lots more takers and much harder to get good marks in - get anyone who thinks they're so smart to give it a try and see if they can get a high score, and the trolling, instead of spouting from their mouths, will spout the wrong way (through their backsides, which they'd never have anticipated), along with a pound of their buts' flesh. So at the end of the day, because of their own previous problems and baggage, while significant, Jindal doing it is not that important and this post is written to overemphasize its importance; the real moment of monumental change is when Sudhir can experience the growth of sufficient balls within his pants (I am hopeful on this front, considering his (ultimately failed) NLAT experiment) to say that he's had enough of CLAT and all its baggage, and will go with the LNAT instead.

In two ways, positively for them who do not wish to continue their studies on further and wish to get quick employment or placement as the process will increase their age by an year every session, ultimately rendering them over age in case of certain kinds of courses, and negatively for many others who do wish to continue their studies on further but do not wish to get quick employment or placement for same reason as listed in the comment

I think the truth is somewhere in between. It’s true to an extent that some of the hate against GNLU is because of resentment/jealousy against Modi and Gujarat (gonna get worse because of the Olympics bid). But GNLU students also invite trolls because of their behaviour. Classic example: the famous letter to the VC demanding respect from juniors and insistence on having junior classes seniors as Sir. Just go to any tier 1 NLU: this NEVER happens.

I think some associates (or mostly many) in such teams are so desperate to just become partner that they start recreating the partner's bad behavior in order to vicariously feel like they have made it big already. Have had this happen to myself - associates misbehaving, repeating partner's berating statements verbatim to juniors to scold them, exercising authority they don't have, dumping their own work constantly on juniors or interns and taking all the credit.

So someone who was raised in poverty is no longer poor if they dont do things you personally think are "empathetic"? Under your world view- if a dalit person doesnt believe in affirmative action say- would they cease to be dalits? if a woman doesnt believe in the patriarchy would she cease to be a woman?

To be clear- sudhir isnt using anything as his identity. Hes not built his career talking about his identity. He hasnt sought to tell a sob story in any interview he's done. People on here defending him on this point are bringing up whats true about his background ( that his family was indeed poor and uneducated) to point out that calling him an elitist assumes that poor people all must believe or think one kind of thing, and rich people all must believe in another thing and behave in another way. They dont. It turns out life is more complicated and human beings are more interesting and the truth is more elusive than that.

An identity generally isnt a card to be used to win arguments on internet- its about your lived experiences and how they might inform what you make of yourself and what choices you make.

People concerned about non teaching staff must first ask why they were improperly hired and whether or not it was a good thing for them to be properly hired.

Since we are doing literal comparisons, when have the students been hauled up before the court and told that they didn't know their own institutional rules? When have the students charged money from aspirants for holding a botched exam? When have they illegally sacked workers working for over two decades? When have they tried to charge alumni for a virtual convo?

What other institutions? He has been to two NLUs and both the places have had faculty and students speak out against him. APU doesn't count, since it never had a serious law programme with a sizable group of students anyway. Whenever he tries to dictate policy, he usually makes a hash of it.

A. The VC doesn't want to have a rational discussion, with him it's always been my way or highway.

B. Competent faculty is fine, but the thing that the students had asked for is that if two or more sections are being taught a subject, then the same faculty teaches the same module to all three and another can teach the other modules to all three and so on. That's the only fair thing, considering the large disparity between faculty quality and experience. However, the VC refuses to even consider that.

We’ve had #MeToo expose predatory seniors at NLSIU, NLUD, NUJS etc who gaslighted juniors into having sex. We’ve had the rape case at Jindal.

But how much progress have we made? Barring the Jindal rapists, no one has been punished. Most of the NLU “stars” have moved on to cushy jobs at T1 firms and places at universities abroad (ironically, cosplaying as woke and specialising in human rights).

Today, there is so much casual misogyny that continues at law schools: body shaming and “rating” fresher girls; sharing crude jokes on WhatsApp about them: making predatory advances on them; passing crude comments from boys hostels at night etc etc.

So it’s hypocritical to see these people posting right now…

2.5 months into my corp job and all my colleagues seem to talk about is what a senior partner in one of the lower parel offices might be doing with their money or which new bag they'd buy with their next salary. Is this all people do in law firms? kind of getting tired of the monotony tbh.

Heard that SAM Cap Marks team is making it difficult for associates to move to other firms - once an associate announces his/her decision to leave, there is a fair bit of pressure put right from the top boss to make sure the associate does not leave? Is it true? And if so, then why is SAM doing this retention tactic (which in the long run will make it an unattractive place to work)?

Hi everyone!

I am a fresh graduate (2024) from a decent State University known for everything other than placements, which is usually the case with every such university. We don't even have a placement cell and I know none of my seniors to be working in a law firm. People just don't go for that. However, we have Judicial Officers, Litigators, Assistant Professors and great number of seniors working in government agencies (which is, again usually the case).

I never intended to study here, but I believe fate to be one of the strongest forces out there. I wanted to be a SDE but my father (I won't say forced) asked me to appear for CLAT too. I did and I scored enough to bag mid to low tier NLUs (on my own). I also appeared for this state university and got in. This made me confident and during this time I also developed interest in law. I wanted to give myself another try but I didn't want to waste a year. I took admission in the state university while studying for CLAT alongside (the fee was peanuts compared to NLUs). Next year, Covid happened, I lost my shit and got promoted to third semester just like that. The idea to appear for CLAT just dwindled away. At this point, I was questioning my every life decision. I was really confused. I don't know why but I continued with the state university, really hoping to make something out of it. I got active, got a number of publications under my name, did not so famous moots, applied for internships, did a few decent ones. Obviously not T1/T2 and even T3 till my third year. I had no connections whatsoever then. I am sure I would have had a couple of T1 internships if stayed consistent but the weight of constant rejections made me lazy in my last year of law school - yes, in the most important year. Not that I was really active in my fourth year, it was still progress compared to my work in the last year.

My last 18 months went mostly with me travelling and writing. During breaks I stayed at home with my parents, went on trips w them, went on so many of them solo, played video games, started reading books, helped lawyers in my building with some drafting and research work and did everything instead of actually building myself a career in law.

Cut to now, I graduated from the state university with obviously no job in my hands. I really want to work in a law firm because I tend to like it naturally. I don't even mind the odd working hours and the somewhat toxic work culture. I started cold emailing every firm that I could find, started spending time on Linkedin, started connecting with PAs and SAs, all which in the start meant something but now has turned into a mindless grinding routine. It's been six months and I received ZERO callbacks or interviews. I also tried my connections but to no avail. All the offers I am getting right now are in really small law firms and litigators with almost nothing for a salary. My father keeps repeating that I shouldn't care for money at this age and only focus on learning but how could I, now that I am 24 y/o with friends earning great salaries along with 2-3 years of PQE.

I am aware of my mistakes but I can't really do anything about them now, what I can do is work on the future. I know I am still doing something wrong. I want to seek professional help but I don't think I have seniors working in the field. I don't know if my CV or cover letter actually work. I am again at the point where I don't know what to do. Please HELP!

Thank You

A partner will never offer you a PPO if there is no vacancy. Vacancy is decided by work flow of the team, current strength, and ability to meet targets. And then if you are good and there is a vacancy, you get placed.

If there is a lot of work and not enough people they will hire. Else they will not. The only other circumstance is if you are exceptional as a resource that it is just impossible to say no to you. Like so brilliant that you would be an asset. And even then, they will see if your costs will be good enough to meet targets. They will never hire you if they don’t have sufficient work flow.

Even though the placements of 2024 have been decent and some firms even overhired, would this mean the job market wouldn't be as good in the subsequent years. I just got into a tier 1 NLU and I'm worried that after 5 years a good placement would be possible or not.There are 500-600 tier 1 nlu graduates every year and there are very few t1 firms which are actually offering decent jobs.They just cannot keep hiring on such numbers every year as they must have limited resources and sufficient manpower already.Am I just anxious unnecesarily or this could become a problem?