Bar Council strengthens stance against foreign firms after meeting Moily

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The Bar Council of India has cemented its strong opposition to the entry of foreign law firms after its first official meeting with new Minister of Law and Justice Veerappa Moily, reported news wire Bloomberg today.

Bar Council of India President Suraj Narain P. Sinha told Bloomberg in an interview yesterday: “Our stand is clear, we should not allow entry of foreign law firms in the present scenario.”

The comments will come as a blow to liberalisation proponents, after Moily had indicated last Friday that he hoped to get the “legal fraternity” to agree to reform.

After Moily’s meeting with the Bar Council on Monday (8 June), he adopted a more conciliatory tone.

Moily told Bloomberg on Tuesday (9 June): “India will decide the entry of foreign law firms after getting the open consent of the legal fraternity.”

He is set to meet the Bar Council again on June 26 and 27 to continue discussions.

Another Bar Council member Jagdev told Bloomberg: “We categorically informed the minister about the decision taken by the Bar Council of India, the Supreme Court Bar Association and bar associations of all the high courts that there would be no entry of foreign law firms in India.”

Supreme Court Bar Association President M.N. Krishnamani made the case for reciprocity and added: “On principle, we oppose the entry of foreign law firms. If there is a need, it should be a conditional entry.”

Comments

Guest 11 Jun 2009, 10:49
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Bar Council of India, Supreme Court Bar Association, SNP Sinha, Jagdev... all are symbolic of the litigation side of Indian legal practice. I don't think any foreign firm is even remoptely interested to do litigation work ...Ever.
Wonder if this is a case of barking up the wrong tree.
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 10:56
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Given the downturn, foreign firms can no longer poach - infact theres a noticeable reverse "brain drain". With transaction volumes ramping up, East India Company have no option but to curtsy and woo their indian suitors in the right earnest. Expect many more frantic visits, delegations and fine dining. The begging bowl has changed hands. And my! all this how quickly!
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 11:08
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Agree with anon at 16:26. All expat indian lawyers better come back while you can. Or become glorified clerks.
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 11:16
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The only problem in India is that the people who oppose entry of foreign law firms in India are those who don't know anything except litigation work.

All the persons mentioned here, be it Jagdev or Krishnamani, both are litigation lawyers. These bar leaders want votes and that's why they will never allow foreign lawyers coming to India.

And the Bar Council of India is a toothless body which has never acted tough on lawyers who are guilty of misconduct. Even in case of R K Anand and I U Khan, it was Delhi High Court which took the lead in punishing both of them. The bar council remained a mute spectator.
Lawyer 11 Jun 2009, 11:18
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It is not merely a question of what the foreign law firms want.

To ensure a equitable regime, not only the question of "practice rights" should be discussed (which is what the previous post is pointing to) but also reciprocity in terms of immigration rules should be evaluated. For example, the recent changes to the UK visa rules have raised the difficulty level very high for an Indian advocate to practice in UK either on his own or in a law firm.

It is time that bilateral discussions (predominantly carried out betwen UK Law society / Jetco and the Indian Law Ministry / the Bar Council) are suspended and the subject is brought back into the main stream negotiations at the WTO so that a just and equitable regime can be negotiated keeping in mind the concerns of all stakeholders including family run Indian law firms, professional junior partners in Indian law firms, individual litigating lawyers as well as the "clients" i.e the Indian and international business community.
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 11:31
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Reciprocity is a fig-leaf that has been used over and over by the bar council and their ilk. There are already Indian firms practising in the UK and apart from a delay in waiting for a Visa, hundreds of Indians are working in the UK in English firms.
Maybe it's difficult for a sole litigator to open a mom&pop law firm in the UK, but that is because of the high competition in the market, not because of reciprocity.
disagree 11 Jun 2009, 11:59
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17:01, I disagree. The latest UK visa rules are draconian to say the least. a friend of mine had to wait 4 (!!!) months for their UK work permit to work at a large UK firm.
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 12:00
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What is with Indian lawyers who have not worked overseas? I am an Suth African working in London and can tell you that loads of us keep coming here and returning and no one in SA has the condescending attitude towards returning lawyers the way Indian lawyers in india seem to be having. It is the same with Aussies, Kiwis and Canadians. Lwayers trained here have benefitted from being trained in a mature corporate jurisdiction and can only help raise standards back home(and I dont mean that Indian standards are inferior in any way). Can I sense some insecurity, fear or plain jealousy here?
To Anonymus 16.38: it is clear that you have never worked overseas. there is no shame in being a law clerk rather than being an overpayed and untrained incompetent partner
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 12:19
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To anon at 17:30 - wonder what bone you've got to chew mate? This does not remotely concern you - so why vent your spleen?

Other than that make up your mind - if you dont mean Indian standards are inferior in any way, how come you jump so felicitously to your conclusion that an Indian partner is overpaid, untrained and incompetent? Freud's delight!
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 12:37
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To Anon at 17:01 - ever wondered why the "hundreds" were hired by UK firms in the first place? very good reasons - especially when juxtaposed with the boom and bust scenario - (i) cheap labour (many came with 4-5 years PQE chooped); (ii) standing army - just in case India opened up suddenly (iii) squeeze the recalcitrant Indian market of talent - and now most importantly, when the excesses of these firms have come to roost -voila! disposable labour - do a reality check - find out how many of the "hundreds" continue to be employed.
The Aussies understood this long ago - see how many UK firms have establisehed offces and are flourishing down under!
Guest 11 Jun 2009, 14:05
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Me the SA lwyer again: I dint mean to refer to Indian partners and the point was more about dignity of a law clerk. Loads of brilliant partners starte off as law clerks. Offocurse I have no involvement here, legal industry in SA adapted to this situation long time back. All the best for you guys.
anon 11 Jun 2009, 14:08
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Funny thing is the most contracending attitude is held by people who applied to foreign firms and were not accepted!
Anonymous 11 Jun 2009, 14:20
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Lawyers in Indian firms must take a reality check of what exactly their firms are offerring them. Professional lawyers are being fooled by their managing partners to stave off liberalisation, because ultimately a monopolistic situation like today is beneficial for managing partners to make more money and ultimately sell out to foreign firms. It is a numbers game and just because the West is sufferring a downturn and your colleagues abroad are being made redundant, it does not give lawyers in India a reason to gloat about their own situation. In any part of the world, a global experience is considered superior to the experience of a person who has worked only in one country, so please do not demean people who are working overseas by calling them glorified law clerks etc.
Indian litigator abroad 14 Jun 2009, 08:55
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Aaaargh!! The Bollywood style extreme emotions crack me up as much as they frustrate me. But they are merely a smokescreen for a complete lack of understanding of what this is all about.

It is a fallacy to keep saying that Indian litigators are opposed to the entry of foreign law firms as though the transactional practices are not. It is the bigger transactional firms that have the most to lose from the entry of foreign firms, and they are the ones behind most of the noise.

Has anyone thought of what the principle behind the opposition is? If you think the issue through, there is none. The issue is simply one of protectionism.

I truly pity younger Indian lawyers who have to put up with financial exploitation and rubbish training, not knowing any better because they are told they are "world class" (of course, the cultural insularity and false sense of superiority kick in as well). Grow up, you're not world class, your skills could use a whole lot of work, and yes, a few years abroad might open your eyes.
Anonymous 30 Jun 2009, 02:32
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I don't understand why these firm are opposing the entry????
1) is it because they want to maintain their monopoly
2) foreign firms are strict in labor laws which Indian firms are not, they even don't pay enough money to their Juniors, and make them work for 12-16 hours and in return don't pay for the overtime.
3) its expected that with their entry they will dispose the work as soon as possible because they believe in speed but Indian firms mean slow and more money.

Why these guys Like sinha, jagdev, jai ram benival are adamantly opposing, just because they will overshadow them like big shots of big Indian firms(AMSS, AZB etc.) in recent time have done to them ;-)
Anonymous guest 12 Mar 2011, 23:10
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First it should be confirmed whether they are ready to allow Indian Advocates to practice law in their Country. It seems that those who have completed QLTT were not allowed to practice law in UK. No VISA is issued to an Indian Advocate under any circumstance to practice law in UK. If you ask whom to contact in this regard you will not get any proper answer but only lead to some dead end (same old English trick). It shows that how far they are tricky at one end they don't allow the persons, to practice law in UK under some pretext, who have completed QLTT but in the other the seeking entry into India. Now it seems they are trying to bend the law of BCI with some insider after the Bombay High Court judgement to get entry into India (this too an English trick).