Indian lawyers can’t apply for practice in UK anymore (also Canadians, NYers)

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Indian qualified lawyers will currently not be able to apply to practise law in England and Wales under the new Qualified Lawyers Transfer Scheme (QLTS) since yesterday (1 September), due to an oversight by the Bar Council of India (BCI), said the countries’ Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA).

The QLTS replaced the Qualified Lawyers Transfer Test (QLTS) and Qualified Lawyers Transfer Regulations (QLTR) yesterday and is required to allow overseas lawyers to become qualified as solicitors in England and Wales.

An SRA spokesperson told Legally India: “The SRA conducted a survey of international Law Societies and Bars at the end of April and none of those contacted in India have yet responded.”

“Only those jurisdictions whose regulatory bodies have replied and been assessed as meeting the SRA’s criteria have been included on the list that appears on the SRA website www.sra.org.uk/qlts.”

He confirmed that Indian qualified lawyers would not be able to apply to be admitted to the UK, unless they had previously made a valid application for admission under the QLTT or QLTR rules before 1 September. However, he added that the SRA was “keen to point out” that it is only because the Indian regulator had not responded to the survey and that there were “other notable omissions” such as Canada and New York.

Indian law school graduates who get recruited by London law firms will generally have to pass the QLTS during or after their training contract.

“The QLTS covers lawyers from a wider range of jurisdictions than under the previous arrangements. A list of recognised jurisdictions is now available,” stated the SRA’s website. Many non common-law jurisdictions from Europe, Asia, Africa and South America are included on the list, including Zimbabwe, Hong Kong and Nepal, although Pakistan is also missing from the list.

The SRA spokesperson added: “We would advise lawyers in jurisdictions that have not been included, to encourage their Bars or Law Societies to either complete the survey or contact us if they need a survey to be sent.”

The SRA would be unable to act until it had received those surveys and it was up to the regulatory bodies in jurisdiction to take action, he said. Inclusion on the list “would not be automatic” and “criteria would have to be assessed”. “However, the original surveys were only sent out at the end of April and already many countries are included on the list, so response time on the SRA’s part is quite swift,” noted the spokesperson.

“I could not put a timescale on [the process] but can say that any communications will be dealt with as swiftly as possible,” he added.

One BCI insider contacted by Legally India was unaware of the development and unable to comment, while the BCI’s chairman and solicitor general Gopal Subramanium was unavailable for comment at the time of going to press. He was appointed to the BCI’s chairmanship in mid-April.

Indian laws do not permit foreign nationals to practise law in India unless the country has a reciprocal arrangement and allows Indian lawyers to practise in that respective country.

UPDATE 2 September 18:12: Gopal Subramanium commented: “I was unaware of any attempt from the SRA to contact us.”

“I am taking steps to rectify the oversight immediately and will be in touch with the SRA on an urgent basis. Please reassure the community that I was not apprised and will attempt to ensure that Indian candidates will not be prejudiced,” he told Legally India by email.

Thanks to Legally India blogger ratiojuris for first alerting the development.

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Comments

Anonymous guest 2 Sept 2010, 22:07
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"oversight" by BCI? You mean "deliberate ploy" by the BCI.
Anonymous guest 2 Sept 2010, 23:25
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In fact, QLTT exam will no longer be conducted in India. I called CLT, London yesterday and I was informed that due to "poor response" from India, CLT will no longer holds exams and candidates willing to appear have to travel to UK for the exam. I spent almost 1 lac rupees and appeared once, which I could not qualify. Now either I travel to UK or forget about QLTT.
Anonymous guest 2 Sept 2010, 23:34
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What the hell are you doing? Get some focus on what's important and what's not! More and more you remind me of Suresh Kalmadi.
Anonymous guest 2 Sept 2010, 23:42
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this is plan by BCI and family law firms ... we all know why .... shameless cowards.
kianganz 2 Sept 2010, 23:45
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Gopal Subramanium has now commented. "I was unaware of any attempt from the SRA to contact us," he said.

"I am taking steps to rectify the oversight immediately and will be in touch with the SRA on an urgent basis. Please reassure the community that i was not apprised and will attempt to ensure that Indian candidates will not be prejudiced," he told Legally India by email.
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 03:32
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With the office bearers of the BCI too busy making money, is it any surprise they could not be bothered in replying to communications from their counterparts in England.

Drop in an email(followed by a reminder)at the email add provided on the BCI's website and wait for a response for eternity. These guys simply couldn't care.

(BTW, funny that the BCI has a website - but they don't want lawyers/law firms to have one!)
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 04:36
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Why U.K,U.S,Canada ? We now have highly standardised Bar Council Examination.
Go for it and let U.K,U.S,Canadian lawyers pass our exam ?

Now we are at par with them.
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 06:53
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It is ironical how UK keeps making it tougher (directly or indirectly) for Indian lawyers to practice there, while they want us to allow them to open offices in India. They know that barring a couple of big Indian firms no one can even think of matching their resources so ultimately they want to make the best Indian professionals work under them, so that the English can pocket the profits. Its East India Company and colonial rule all over again!
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 08:27
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Friends we must oppose the the entry of UK university and the law firms tooth and nail. We are seeing how the cricket match fixing is going in UK because betting is legal there. There will be "case fixing" if the foreigners come to India. They only want the money from opening colleges and law firm. India is the land of Gandhiji. We cannot allow people from a country which have such low moral that even betting is legal.
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 16:01
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@9 : are you an idiot? seriously, get a life loser
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 16:56
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While we are on the topic of Indian lawyers qualifying to practise in other jurisdictions, a few years ago there was a case in the Delhi HC - Diljeet Titus v Alfred Adebare & Ors. In that case the judge had remarked:

"...The role of Mr. Adebare is slightly different since he is stated to be a Nigerian national without any authorization or license to practice law in India". [http://itcases.blogspot.com/2006/05/diljeet-titus-vs-alfred-adebare-and.html]

Mr Adebare from what I have heard was formerly the right hand man of Mr Titus - and indeed had a very successful "law practice" in India.

Will the BCI care to comment on this? I don't think we have any reciprocity regarding practise of law with Nigeria.

Do readers know anything more about this case - esp. the issue of Mr Adebare merrily practising law in India - without apparently being authorised to do so?
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 17:03
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@9..this is the most idiotic comment i have read on LI...were u drunk when u wrote the comment or were you born with the ability to make such weird and off-topic comment..
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 17:25
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#9, hats off to you. In that short post you have:

- implied that there is no corruption in India, including in the courts
- implied that legalised betting causes corruption, whereas no one in India, where betting is illegal, ever indulges in betting
- expressed a view that betting is immoral, in a country in which we have the run up to one of our major festivals dedicated to furious gambling

Thereby demonstrating one or more of the above:

- you are mad
- you have been living under a rock for most of your life
- you have access to a superior quality of class-A drug
- you are a hypocrite
- you are blind to the failings of your own country, which include rampant corruption at various levels of government and society.

have a nice weekend.
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 17:35
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@9: Come back to planet earth.. thats hogwash.. betting, gandhiji..?? have you lost all semblence of sanity?
Anonymous guest 3 Sept 2010, 19:02
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Today India is economic superpower and Indian law firms are world class and much better than UK firms. It is most unfortunate that so many persons is making comments in favour of descendents of East India Company because of expectation of high salary from them. They may pay more money but they are racists and will treat you like servants. Thanks god there are people to protect our noble profession from becoming business like Delhi Bar Association and Society of Indian Law Firms. We salute them for their brave fight.

Regarding Mr Adebare from Nigeria I agree he should be banned but as per law he can practise as he did LLB from India. But UK people can never practice as they have degrees from UK colleges. Those who are supporting the magic circle firm tell them to do LLB from India also. If they have so much money they can afford to spend few thousand rupees.
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 03:17
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Totally agreed with #15. Just because the English might pay higher salaries to the employees, that is all people are seeing at the moment. English firms are seeing the money in India right now, so they want to force their way in. Why did they not act desperate to set up offices in India in 1980s and 1990s??
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 04:47
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@15 and 16 and people like these two - dont you try to attract rich clients ? why dont you spend good amount of money in legal aid ? why dont you tend to share equity with the deserving people in your firm rather making your son, daughter and son-in-law the partners and profit earners ? why is it so that only family law firms oppose foreign firms ? why not Zia Mody or people from Trilegal and other non-family law firms oppose them ? why do you use vodafone ? why do you encourage Ratan Tata to acquire UK companies and feel proud of ?
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 15:41
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@17 - So you think the English firms which open offices in India are going to spend good amount of money in legal aid ? Do you honestly believe that they are going to share equity with the deserving people in the firm? Have two centuries of colonial rule taught you nothing? Talk to anyone who works for an English firm in England, and he will tell you how badly they are treated. There is discrimination at every step, sometimes direct but mostly subtle. However, the Indians there never try to report these instances, because their employment would end on some behest or other after that.
Family-owned firms in India are up to no good either, I agree. But English firms come with racial discrimination, which is certainly less acceptable!!!!
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 16:37
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There is nothing wrong with family owned law firms. In India family values are strong and family can work together. We are only country which allows HUF system. We are not like UK where people kick their parents in the street. Family law firms are the pride of India. Today AMSS is one of the top law firms in the world. Mr Cyril Shroff is a living legend who has also done many social service. Mr Shardul Shroff is one of the most upstanding citizens of corporate India and has received many awards.
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 18:10
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Thanks for your extended research on #7's insanity.
That also reveals your IQ level (may be in single digit) as you cannot even read a simple hidden message therein.

Suddenly your are all up agaist corruption & offcourse BCI...as you are affected by the move.Now you are down-the-line amongst the loosers whom you have taunted as you thought to live a happy life in a foreignland.

Best of Luck..Lucky Looks.
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 21:15
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@ 18 - then dont be a part of globalaisation. Dont use MS office, dont allow Big 4 auditors, dont use ATMs of foreign banks, dont ride BMW or Merc (which most of the family law firms' partners do). Dont use hi-fi medical equipments for your treatment (go to ayurveda u will live for 100 yrs). You mean to say Royal Bank of Scotland is ruling us ? Sir this is globalisation. There is no place for protectionists like you . You have sucked deserving people's blood enough.

The English wont get the scope to be racist in our country. Because the people who will be working are all Indian.
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 21:21
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Friends informal opinion poll in Delhi has shown that 97% advocates and 95% associates of corporate law firms is oppose to foreign law firms. Only 1% is in favour and rest undecided. This is positive development. We will give petition to govt either before 2011 assembly elections or 2012 UP elections. We will contact honourable MPs for support and keep up the pressure. Thank you for your support.
Anonymous guest 4 Sept 2010, 21:51
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@16 and others: If (and when ) foreign law firms come in, they will have to compete with AMSS, Luthra and the likes (who already have long relationships with business houses and business families). It would definitely not be a cake walk for the foreign firms to quickly establish their practice here (and at the same time, charge rates much higher than the local firms). I would assume that, in order to compete with AMSS, etc., they would have to charge the same or lower fees than local big firms in order to get business. If that is the case, would they be paying higher salaries? It would be stupid of them to charge same rates at very high costs, and would hit them in the long run. Bad economics ! THerefore, IMHO, I seriously have my doubts that they would be paying much higher salaries than the present AZB, AMSS, etc. All those shouting for foreign firms should pause to think for a while
Anonymous guest 5 Sept 2010, 00:54
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A few Indian law firms have indeed become quite reputed. If we must allow foreign firms into India in the name of globalization, I would humbly request the authorities concerned to wait for another 10-15 years. In this period, many recent start-ups would have hopefully grown into as big as say AMSS and Luthra. I hope to see around 500 Indian law firms as big as these two by about 2025. Then, London firms can come and open their offices if they like and can compete with their Indian counter-parts. Also, many of the Indian firms will be in a position to open offices in England by that time. Reciprocity on this issue is a must! That is true globalization, right Mr. Clifford Chance?
Anonymous guest 5 Sept 2010, 04:26
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@21: Hear hear! Well said! we nned to kick out the [...] Indian oligarchs.

And to all the SILF agents posting on this board....get a life.

WE WANT FOREIGN LAW FIRMS IN NOW!!!!!
Anonymous guest 5 Sept 2010, 04:53
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@ 24 - Fox & Mandal, Singhania, Nishith Desai they have office in London, Singapore, California, etc. So why can't Clifford Chance or Norton Rose have an office here in India. In that case reciprocity will be maintained. Moreover, both the countries can have qualifying exams for interested candidates in India as well as in UK.
Anonymous guest 5 Sept 2010, 23:11
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Indian firms are scared of foreign firms coming in, since:

(i) they expect most of their good professionals to defect immediately. A lot of people will be surprised if they know how many of the big hitters in Indian law firms have or have had applied to foreign firms already!

(ii) Foreign clients will not even think twice before moving their big mandates to their international relationships

(iii) Local Indian clients have already spoken their mind. Google statements by Ambani's Bharat Vasani, Essar head legal

(iv) Finally when Indian lawyers will realise the bad work environment and complete lack of professional development they will vote with their feet and it will be too late for the local firms to even figure out how to improve work environment, let alone do anything meaningful by then.

thus, the family and even sole owners will keep resisting the opening up of the market- understandable since it is the question of loosing their livelihood, power, reputation and the way of life!
Anonymous guest 6 Sept 2010, 16:02
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Dear Kian,
Mr.#9's comment is more amusing than idiotic ('Commun.' comment), don't grade it low, let it be displayed vis a vis civilized? comments of Mr.#10 and Mr.12, Mr. # hats off to your nice commentary.
Anonymous guest 6 Sept 2010, 20:50
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all who abuse #9 - why we are allowing such regressive practices as magic in the name of law? the "magic circle" name itself is showing the backwardness of english firms. like some witch cult. if you read mahabharat, you will know that magic circle was what got abhimanyu killed. protect domestic firm abhimanyus.

these foreign firms will only come to service clients well. and make money. and do quality work. and have meritocratic systems. and pay well. and treat associates like people. and give regular training. and opportunity to work in international offices. and share knowledge. all of which, as anyone with half a brain knows, is just a recipe for disaster. and an excuse for racial subjugation. and very un-indian. i mean, what if other lawyers in the market start to think??? down with foreigners and their law firms. in any case, english food sucks, so what good will come with their law firms?
Anonymous guest 7 Sept 2010, 04:31
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"And to all the SILF agents posting on this board....get a life.

WE WANT FOREIGN LAW FIRMS IN NOW!!!!!"

#25 - recite the above mantra "we want foreign law..." morning, evening and night. It will do wonders to your legal acumen.

You could also wear an armband, a headband emblazoned with this mantra - not to forget the T-shirt on weekends --- WE WANT FOREIGN LAW FIRMS IN NOW!WE WANT FOREIGN LAW FIRMS IN NOW!WE WANT FOREIGN LAW FIRMS IN NOW!

Till of course an annoyed bystander (officious bystander?) tells you to shut up - and get a life!
Anonymous guest 7 Sept 2010, 23:16
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Well prooves the regulator, BCI is highly unregulated itself - bunch of goons sitting at the helm of affairs with no sense of resposiblity. Considering recent show put up by BCI (State bar councils are even worse, I would rather suggest we outsource its work..lol
Anonymous guest 8 Sept 2010, 00:55
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Bar Council is known for its infighting of members and elections...where some unworthy people fight for posts.
Anonymous guest 15 Sept 2010, 22:02
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Can #29 please give it a rest [...]! You really have a lot of drivel locked up in you [...] narrow minded head of yours. If you dislike "English" please and "foreigners" why the hell did you learn to speak/write in English...Ohh an I'm sure you have never travelled to the UK or have aspirations to holiday in London and buy all your luxury goods and brand names so you can take it back to India and show off to your friends (because London is full of wealthy Indians every summer they like clock work wanting to get a bit of the pie and introduce their children to the otherside) Get real and and use your little brain before you start knocking the UK. Oh the by the way they law you practice in India...tell me who established it, it is based on common law principals by chance??
Anonymous guest 15 Sept 2010, 23:09
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Shame on "brown sahibs" who wants foreign law firms, but of course you will never suceed!

Writing on the wall: Shri Lalit Bhasin and SILF stands tall!!
Anonymous guest 19 Sept 2010, 16:27
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I don't think that this is going to be of an issue. India will be listed as a recognised jurisdiction. The problem is the test arrangements - there is one test provider, Kaplan, who set up the fees to be over GBP 3,200, and the exams can only take in the UK. The fees does nor include courses, eligibility certificate and tranver arrangmenets.

Also, Indian lawyers need to pass an English test and get a visa to the UK as pre-requisite to sit the exams.

The SRA is merely trying to avoid lawyers from poor countires to become English solicitors.
SQE 8 Jan 2022, 12:23
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Has this position changed with the SQE?