Imagine not knowing what a bureaucrat does and posting ridiculous emojis like a fucking child here. Drop your fucking trope and get of the high horse, some jobs are more important and needed than others. I’m sorry my friend but going to a college by lying heaven and earth on your essay and on the basis of your sob stories is less important than taking healthcare, electricity to last village in this country. It is less important than policing, it is less important than maintaining diplomatic relations which helps you keep your asss safe in this country.

So you want to go to become a random scholar because you sold them some bullshit story with words like colonialism, post structuralism, humanitarianism thrown like confetti? Do it and boast and be happy in your Khan market parties

So it is now chhapri to work to clear an exam open to everyone to support democratically elected representatives or keep them in check? How do you think democracies work exactly?

Of course it is very noble to get an elite scholarship instituted by a genocidal man and administered by a very elitist committee to study in one of the most racist institutions of the world.

I have nothing against Sudhir. He has proven himself to be much more than a Rhodes scholar especially through his institution building. You should ask yourself where your contempt for your own country and its people come from. Unless you are an upper class British man, the glorified peons are your people not the white racists however much you may wish otherwise.

I feel so depressed reading these comments and LI in general. The NLU crowd now has become so chhapri that Rhodes is mocked, as are Rhodes scholars like Sudhir Krishnaswamy. The “new Rhodes” is working as a bureaucrat in India, who is basically a glorified peon for half-literate politicians.😖 Imagine having to address class 8 pass goons as “Sir”. 🤢 🤮

Absolutely right. There has been a sea change in the profile of NLU students these days. Gone are the days when people from elite schools in big cities would dominate. Nowadays, most students are from small towns in North India, as you say. The elite nowadays either go abroad or to Ashoka and Jindal, with a few opting for NUJS/GNLU NRI quota.

Hence, the comments in LI nowadays reflect this changed demographic.

Funny how the parents of most of my batchmates were government officers, particularly in the civil services. As if the stability their parents gave them didn't pave the way for them to appear and Crack Clat without much work and allows them to take stupid risks.

Check your privilege. Read a module or two which you probably skipped in law school cause you were too busy being cool and partying. Gosh.

Please take your elitism and snobbishness elsewhere. As someone who has lived in the west, your point about the mentality of people in developed countries towards serving their country is, at best, a very broad generalisation.

- In Britain, look at who gets recruited to the diplomatic, civil and intelligence services: folks with good education (usually from Oxbridge or one of the other Russell Group unis).

- In the U.S., too, this similar trend can be seen. As a case study, take the profile of the first blind person to be recruited to the diplomatic service of the U.S. Department of State, Avraham Rabby. Rabby was born in Israel, was sent to school in England after his eyes' retinas were damaged and continued his studies there (reading French and Spanish at Oxford after school), before immigrating to the U.S., doing an MBA at Chicago, working for City Bank and only joining the State Department in his late 40's. Considering his background, he was fluent in four languages: English, French, Hebrew and Spanish.

Where you are right is that India has been unable to recruit people with the Rabby-type profile, because of the deeply problematic nature of our government recruitment processes. Therefore, instead of focussing on the origins of those commenting in favour of government jobs, comment on the mediocrity of those who are recruited (how come, e.g., an Indian IFS Officer isn't expected to know at least two UN working languages at the point of applying to the foreign service, where her UK or U.S. counterpart would have navigated such an expectation?). Focussing on the localities/origins of people who 'obsess' over these jobs would be like someone (using the example above) like someone saying Rabby was incapable of serving his adopted country because of his blindness (something which some, at the time of his recruitment (1989), did say unfortunately).

How many INR in bribes for your mum/dad/uncles/aunts/cousins/yourself/your other family members/friends did me and my parents, honest-to-god, hard-working class taxpayers, who come from the sort of stock that believes in doing whatever it takes (within the law and bounds of our morality) to make life better for our kids than it was for us, have to pay for? I only ask this question because nobody who didn't want to spread lies and fool the people of India would waste folks' time with such rubbish.

Fascination with government jobs is atypical for a country at the lower end of the development spectrum, since the government plays such an important role in their lives, especially those living in tier 2 towns. Mediocre people who don't stand out on their own seek institutional pedigree. People from developed countries as well those from elite backgrounds in India don't want to spend their lives pushing papers for semi educated politicians and seek solace in being government clerks. They wish to solve genuine problems and create wealth. Unfortunately it seems with the passage of time the cohort at Indian law schools has moved from metropolitan kids with elite backgrounds to small towners. This is reflected by the fascination with a bygone era relic like UPSC

Did you exhaust your limit of (what is it, 2?) attempts to apply for the Rhodes, and get rejected both times? Sour grapes much? Or alternatively, may I ask who died and made you the arbiter on what is more or less 'tough' or 'useful'? Exactly. Nobody. As someone beautifully said in response to Trump's s**hl remark, 'he'll go into the same hole, where the same worms will eat into him'. My personal suggestion: this remark applies equally well to you. Therefore, go away there and let fate take its course, instead of bothering serious people who wish to have a serious discussion with your deeply unpleasant vibe, which combines victimhood mentality + sour grapes.

That's because they use some chacha mama connections to get into government and don't want to do the work. That's no reason to disrespect the hardworking people who want to give back to their country. Nothing from the internet connection on which you type this bullshit to the imported phone that you are probably using would be possible without "these rural and lower-middle class people who obsess over government jobs", get them and then do them well. Show some gratitude.

The voting pattern tells you about the mindset of law school kids these days. They seem to consider a mugging up exam for hicks like the UPSC more prestigious and coveted than the Rhodes 🙄🙄🙄 I presume these are the same geniuses who hate Sudhir for imposing strict academic standards and glorify mediocre profs who hand out easy grades?

Incorrect. As JGU is an Institution of Eminence (IoE), the UGC norms on distance learning and online education does not apply to JGLS until the IoE status remains. You will be eligible to enter academia with a JGLS distance LLM, however, you would be required to clear UGC-NET and qualify for Assistant Professor if you wish to teach anywhere in India (except JGU and other IoEs).

Hi! I am a BMS student (1st year) and wanted to try out an internship in the legal field especially corp law if possible... I had industrial and business law in my 1st and 2nd sem but that's really as far as my legal expertise goes lol.... Any way to get said internship? Is it even possible at all? Read somewhere you need to be a law student or have contacts in the field and ask for personal favours:(

One glaring fact about compensation that they hide from new joinees until they join.

They have a system called "Factor System". Your monthly salary is not fixed.

The compensation that your contract says, a percentage portion of it is dependent on monthly recoveries. So suppose your salary is 1 lakh, you may only get 80,000 in a month and rest 20000 will depend on how much you were actually able to collect (credited with the firm) in that month out of your expected monthly collection. If you manage 100% only then you get that 20000 but if you dont, you never see that money.

Also they keep that target so high that barring 1 or 2 teams (cyclically) no one meets that collection.

So as a thumb rule, everyone has to discount their on-paper compensation by 20-50%. Yeah that variable percentage of 'factor' keeps increasing with increase in level. Though they dont charge factor system on first years, but its upto them to decide. Also its depressing when you burn the midnight oil to churn out deliverables (you will need to) and then you dont even get your full pay coz the client has not made the payment yet. Oh you may think that we should just charge advance billing. Guess what, seniors hate to do that coz clients are so old and that would be insulting to ask.

Therefore it is expected that apart from being a lawyer in a big firm, you have to be a collection agent. You are expected to call and remind clients to make payments. In the politest of manners, again and again. Every week you would have to allocate some hours for it. Time that could be spent on doing actual work.

And they only tell you all this on the date of joining, when you are too late to make any informed decision.

In my view, the factor system is the most nauseating thing that exists here and only here. I have not come to know of any other firm that does this. Firms usually keep the monthly compensation fixed and only year-end bonuses depend on actual collections (which makes total sense).

No, it doesn't. NLUD is better today. Smaller batches+no domicile quota+continuous student achievements year on year. When I took the law entrance exams more than a decade back, NLS was obviously an easy first choice, now I'd put NLUD over it instead. Maybe even NALSAR, if they didn't have the admin/faculty problems.

Yes one girl from NMIMS was given PPO in GST lit. team who left in 6 months from joining she suddenly stopped coming to the office and did not inform anyone only after a month she informed HR she wants to resign and i think she did not talk to the team regarding this at all.

After this incident it was internally decided that they will not hire law students (at least in GST teams they will not) and never from NMIMS (GST teams)

if you dont know how laws work, if you dont understand legal concepts or know how to find precedent and how to interpret statutes- all those things learnt only in law school- then you will have a very hard time learning it all on the job. Theres plenty to learn about court craft/ deal making/ settling matters / navigating the courts all outside of law school- you will have a hard time making up for a poor law school education.

The alleged Bofors scam was about kickbacks worth Rs 66 crores (approx) involving the Hinduja Family and a constellation of brokers et al associated with the G family. By the time the roving inquiry/fishing expedition had ended, the GoI had spent over Rs 250 crores, which included multiple foreign trips by "investigating officers" and lawyers. More importantly, the transfer of tech that happened way back in mid-80s got stalled. Only recently, those blueprints have finally been actualized into an "indigenous" howitzer.

It actually took a Kargil War for India to discover the worth of Bofors guns. Even then successive govts, including successive "nationalist" ones took more than two decades to implement the ToT blueprints that had already been handed over in the mid-80s!

Similarly, this "Italian" nonsense concerning the G family has cost Indian Navy subs to operate without heavyweight torpedoes and the ships without advanced helos. With Russia firmly in the Chinese corner, India needs powerful friends. US and UK are dicey.

Those powerful friends need meaty deals. Hence if this BW report is true, expect some major defense deals between India and Italy or with big EU player wherein the Italians have a significant stake. Just like the C-295 deal benefits not just Airbus (primarily identified as French) but also UK and Spain.

Hi all, I am about to complete my notice period at a tier 1 firm. Would really appreciate if someone could advise on what all documents should I make sure to collect before I leave. I never signed any contract so I never had an offer letter per se. However, I have heard that it might come in handy later while job hunting or otherwise. What documents can be used an alternative to offer letter? Please help.

I recently completed my internship at an renowned advocate practising in Bombay HC.

I was mostly working with the juniors and rarely (read once or twice) spoke with the senior. The senior has worked in many law firms.

Should I ask my senior about referring me to law firms he has worked at ?

Does this happen or he would deny reference?

Is there anyone who also need some external motivation to do something (E.G. publishing). If I am working for someone, I would give my best and try to timely finish the work, including doing quality research, but if I decide to do something on my own and for myself, it becomes difficult and I encounter another self who keeps procrastinating and perceiving the same as unachievable. I do manage to come out of it sometimes, but can anyone share what worked/works for them? It becomes more difficult when such efforts does not give desired results. I generally encounter difficulty in starting/initiating anything. Once I start working on something, I do manage to finish the same.

Oh one more glaring fact about compensation that they hide from new joinees until they join.

They have a system called "Factor System". Your monthly salary is not fixed.

The compensation that your contract says, a percentage portion of it is dependent on monthly recoveries. So suppose your salary is 1 lakh, you may only get 80,000 in a month and rest 20000 will depend on how much you were actually able to collect (credited with the firm) in that month out of your expected monthly collection. If you manage 100% only then you get that 20000 but if you dont, you never see that money.

Also they keep that target so high that barring 1 or 2 teams (cyclically) no one meets that collection.

So as a thumb rule, everyone has to discount their on-paper compensation by 20-50%. Yeah that variable percentage of 'factor' keeps increasing with increase in level. Though they dont charge factor system on first years, but its upto them to decide. Also its depressing when you burn the midnight oil to churn out deliverables (you will need to) and then you dont even get your full pay coz the client has not made the payment yet. Oh you may think that we should just charge advance billing. Guess what, seniors hate to do that coz clients are so old and that would be insulting to ask.

Therefore it is expected that apart from being a lawyer in a big firm, you have to be a collection agent. You are expected to call and remind clients to make payments. In the politest of manners, again and again. Every week you would have to allocate some hours for it. Time that could be spent on doing actual work.

And they only tell you all this on the date of joining, when you are too late to make any informed decision.

In my view, the factor system is the most nauseating thing that exists here and only here. I have not come to know of any other firm that does this. Firms usually keep the monthly compensation fixed and only year-end bonuses depend on actual collections (which makes total sense).