Small misunderstanding here. I think we agree on more here than you realize. I am not even addressing OP's point. I am addressing the comment which seemed to imply that there is almost no desire for government jobs in western societies. I am saying that that is a broad generalisation. I admit my response may have made the same error to a certain extent, though.

Ever heard of Brian Leiter, the American Jurisprude? Bet you haven't. He once said that he tends to get 'very angry' when people talk bullshit about legal philosophy. Like him, there's something that makes me 'very angry' as well. And that's people (trolls) like you deliberately (a) misleading people; and (b) trying to limit other peoples' aspirations.

What. Show gratitude for the sorts of guys who thought it'd be a good idea to order a hit on a Canadian citizen on Canadian shores? Gratitude for allowing you guys to enjoy a culture of promotion despite mediocrity and take our taxes? Gratitude for the sorts of people who kissed the a*** of the Soviets for years, while pretending our country was 'non-aligned'? Gratitude for the sorts of people who were responsible for foreign law firms being unable to enter this market?

Don't give me that *** about internet connections etc. I am a blind person who comes from a well-educated family. The government (you so-called hard workers) did fuck all to ensure I got an education. My dad sacrificed hundreds of thousands of INR, and my mother her job and her time, to ensure I did. I showed gratitude to the right people who actually made sacrifices for me and deserved it by doing well in my studies and going to law school in England (where I am now). As we're anyway engaged in d** measuring, you want to know what the Limeys do? They actually pay for the special educational needs support that disabled citizens of their country or those with a right to permanent residence there have. And you know what is the only thing I get from the people to whom I, according to you, am supposed to show gratitude do? Ask my mother at Bangalore Airport every year when I come back for a short vacation, 'Ma'am, what is wrong with his [my] eyes?'. You don't deserve gratitude, you deserve a good tongue-lashing, which you'll never get in this country.

And before you can give me the entire 'Oh there are blind people being successful in India at our law schools', sure. I know a guy from a prominent NLU (one of the so-called T1 type) that was telling me that he'd have to pay for his own support assistant when he started in a job after graduating law school. He was supported by IDIA, a private organisation, during his university studies, not by those whom we're supposed to show 'gratitude' to. And look up Access to Work in Britain before giving me any further bullshit about gratitude. So go touch some grass and get in the bin.

UPSC- A centuries old exam pattern where excellence is measured basis one exam where literally the best Mug Master wins. All you need to do is grabble all information by rote learning. Can even take 5 years to do so. If you are reserved class can probably sit till you are 40 years old. The only actual intelligence and aptitude part was CSAT which has unfortunately been made just qualifying and much simpler, so that dumb candidates can continue to revel in this cringefest and boast how they qualified the "most difficult exam". Difficult only because of the number of rats in the race (literally a rat race), otherwise one need not get more than 50% marks most of the time. The amount of downvotes to any comment questioning UPSC is also a testament of the overwhelming amount of population of these robotic rats.

Rhodes- A GLOBAL standard (as against a colonial Indian standard) of checking the overall academic brilliance of students basis his over all career and the entire span of graduation including marks scored as well as extra-curricular activities and other talents. It judges the overall personality and meritocracy of the candidate. He/she has to be among the best candidates in the country and in his/her chosen field of study with an overall life long demonstrated meritocracy (as opposed to one exam) and match with other peers in the world. A true test of education and finesse.

RHODES IS EASILY THE WINNER.

Arrey in dehati UPSC waalon ke beech kaise phas gaya main! Ye wahi log hain na jo 5 saal drop karte hain ek exam nikaalne ke liye jiski chance 0.1 percent hai? (Matlab do the fucking maths!!) Fir jab selection nahi hota to Tier 2 ya choti moti govt job pakar ke aam aadmi (jo apne dam pe paisa kama raha hai) us pe apni bhdaas nikaalte hain. Theek hai jo bolna hai bol lo.

You have made a very broad generalization of a point that OP is not even emphasizing on. He is talking about the mad craze of govt jobs witnessed in Tier 2 cities and villages of India and similar sentiments being absent in the developed west.

As someone who has worked for a major time in US, this is the first question I asked to a couple of General Counsels of Fortune 500 companies (who had also been attorneys in the past) that is there a craze for govt job in US like that in India?

The unequivocal answer I got is that there is literally zero craze. In fact generally people who cannot become entrepreneurs or professionals or join corporates try to be paper pushers in govt departments. Again generally, not always.

The craze is only for higher level political posts. NOT GOVT JOBS.

No where in the developed world like US and even in UK itself will you ever come across a concept like "IAS". Ofcourse they have civil and public services but no concept of a single country wide unified cadre like IAS which will sit at creamy posts across the nation. Stupidity. Promotes mediocrity. In fact in USA, govt services are not that hyped at all. It is the attorneys or doctors or startup and show biz guys and sports and entertainment industries that are the most sought after careers. There is no unhealthy obsession with govt jobs.

In UK and US a post like DM doesn't even exist. In US you can start as a patrol cop and rise all the way up to become police chief. These services were created by British to rule over Indian "slaves", the format of civil services should have been totally changed in 1947 and should have been built on a bottoms up approach. For eg you should start as Police Inspector and rise all the way to SP etc. Only in India you have this stupid concept of giving an exam for top post directly. If everyone rises from bottom to up, egos are less, efficiency is more. Recruit from Inspector level and make that exam very competitive. Any ways once you remove all the VIP giri from these posts, half of the so called people who want to "serve the nation", will not even sit for these exams. Indians' abnormal love affair with govt services should have stopped long ago. "Craze" is a sign of a mediocre country , we only need people who can serve the nation for actually serving. Those who will still serve the country if there is no corruption and no VIP giri attached to these posts those who are ready to start from the bottom and rise up.

Bro its not T1 law school students. Most of the readers here are non t1 and from non metro cities. We all know that in villages and Tier 2 cities of India there is no privatisation and no corporates/industries. So for generations these people have been inbred with the idea that UPSC is the best and highest paying job. Times have changes now, and qualified professionals from top tier colleges can easily out earn UPSC people. But you will not be able to change their colonial mindset. Let them drop 5 years for 0.1 percent chance at success. Karma and fate will change their opinion over how a mugging up cringe fest of an exam where you can take Sanskrit as an optional and become a fucking revenue officer which defies all logic of selection and is nothing more than a colonial yoke, is not the epitome of success.

OP please understand majority of law students of legally india are not from the top 3 NLUs. Also a majority of India is from non-metro cities, so of course UPSC is the "only bastion of success" for them. All these people saying UPSC is more tougher won't even stand a chance to qualify for Rhodes. So any point praising any job or any degree or any scholarship in the WORLD over UPSC will be downvoted to hell here. So don't even try.

Your insecurities are clearly revealed. Where is 'contempt for your own country' shown here? Contempt for people who are little more than glorified paper pushers, for whose ego/backside-massaging, kickbacks and bribes we, the taxpayers of this country, are sacrificing our hard-earned money is what is being displayed. Take your Bhakt-type beliefs, flag-waving and victimhood mentality where they belong - to the bin, and preferably try to stuff yourself down there along with all those unpleasant things.

I don't know what kind of a rock you've been hiding under, mate, but that (trying to bring down people who are genuinely meritorious and promoting the mediocre) has been the problem with this thrice-damned country forever. The fact that the NLU institutions escaped it for as long as they did is a blessing in and of itself, I'd have thought!

I think we'd all like to see your law school transcript, please, keyboard warrior, to know how many courses you failed in. I suspect the number would be something like 10 or 12, because you actually need substance in your stomach, rather than the ability to use curse words, to get scholarships like the Rhodes. Just using those words you so glibly used here doesn't help. You need to show them that you actually have some good ideas for research, which will lead to knowledge production. The fact that you haven't understood these basics shows that you, as much as the system, are deeply problematic: the fact that the system allowed you to become anything more than an 8th class pass being the problem, with the fact you got through law school at all adding insult to injury.

I can't believe how triggered one can be over such a simple remark. I know from your comment you couldn't even secure a job, let alone come close to clearing UPSC.

Rhodes scholars are lucky nerds given scholarship to study at some university where thousands go every year anyway. Clearing UPSC sets you up for an upper middleclass existence at the very minimum for the rest of your life. If anyone says Rhodes >> UPSC it is quite clear that person will not go on to achieve in life, even with all the privileges in the world.

Yes that knowledge does matter. Law school gives you the basics. That's what it's supposed to do. Everything else - the craft - you can learn on the job. Don't believe me? Ask every trainee solicitor in England, including at the top American firms with London operations, such as Latham. They all learn on the job.

>appeal to authority

Bruh precident is appeal to authority?

Gender is social, sex is medial differentiation.

Other 2 are male and female

Provisions for men and woman is provided by law, no need to conduct a sociological study

They dress and act different. They say they aren't men. Most people don't think they are men.

It's wrong because the context is beyond a simple medical description in the present case

Shift your focus from external to internal. You can never be happy unless you are internally content. Think about the people who's life you are changing due to your work or the person who you bring relief in the form of justice and counsel.

The modern world may make you believe that being a celebrity or top-shot businessman or cricketer is the end all be all, but don't forget that the world goes around on the silent contributions day-in and day-out.

Let's put this into perspective, you may think that your father may have been a cog in the wheel of the corporate, but if he dwelled on that perspective he would've not made you able to get to the law school or for you to enjoy life, he found his happiness and contentment on his work making money to help you afford the life you want to live.

Focus on your task, do not care about external validation. Only thing that matters is your efforts, the results are irrelevant because they are neither in your control nor in your hands so why worry about it?

Once you shift your mindset and approach you will find inner happiness which is way beyond any materialistic pursuit.

I have attempted CLAT 2024, and have got a AIR in the late 400s (around 480). With this rank I should be able to get in to nliu's BA LLB programme in vacancies. NUJS has just released their vacancies for BSC LLB, and I should also be able to get in here if I apply. My question is, should I pursue BA LLB at NLIU bhopal, or study the new bsc course at nujs? Kindly let me know of the placement prospects and the other important details. Are BA and BSC LLB courses at nujs on par with each other? Or is the bsc llb course significantly worse? Please let me know if you have an idea about the same.

I am an alumni of NLUJ. Was a good student, secured a T-1 offer and did everything by the book. The institution lacks academic rigour and was filled with entitled brats. The curse can be undone if people put their head down and work for it. Most of my peers used to endlessly crib about not being a T-1 NLU. It does not seem to have changed.

I will personally recommend to go for 3+3 instead of 5 years Law. Reason being that a lot of people choosing to study to law after 12th get molded as lawyers early on without any practical inclination since for them it is their first degree. People study law without having signed a contract themselves.

OTOH, a 3+3 gives a wider perspective, you will be able to apply the concepts and learnings of economics into law and see a much wide and practical implementation of those ideas instead of merely evaluating law from a theoretical angle.

Also, it is a good hedging strategy, you are essentially 5 years of your life studying one subject molding into a professional, while this is good but in the worst case scenario you are stuck with the subject with high switching costs.

However if you go via 3+3 route, you can take these 3 years to focus on your plan ahead - and it is a high possibility that law may or may not be your calling then after your 3 years, you can take then take into consideration and decide accordingly.

As for the saving of "1-year", trust me - it really does not matter that much.

To summarise, take 5 years if you are sure-shot about being a lawyer and can neither fathom nor envisage any possibility of yourself working in anything except law. Take 3+3 years if you want to explore things and want a wholesome development.

This amount of funding to an academic institution is unprecedented. No IIT, IIM, or AIIMS has ever received this much in a single go.

This round of funding (₹2254 crores) is several times more than the combined funding the 24 state NLUs receive. The NLUs pale in comparison (chillar party), and they must be salivating at seeing this development and desperate to somehow associate with NFSU. Moving forward NFSU will be the controlling and the dominant entity for any such associations.

This will have a multiplier effect on the entire economy. Seeing this, consulting firms, law firms, tech firms, and others will move to strengthen their capabilities in this domain. Coupled with the three new criminal laws coming into effect from July 1st, this will new jobs for forensic and legal professionals.

The NFSU brand far exceeds the combined branding of all NLUs.

To those NLU fans who downvoted all my posts (current and previous), and tried to ridicule them - as I have always mentioned, they do not matter. Welcome to this new reality. NFSU rocks!!!

Watch this space for more mind-numbing developments.

If you are interning in a law firm be pro active and ask for work. I'm speaking from experience, in most big firms, they seldom assign work on their own. When there is absolutely no work try calling them or inform the HR. Even if that does not work, get up and just approach associates for work directly regardless of the team you are interning with. My co-intern from SAM tried a bold move of entering the Equity Partner's office n approaching him and got decent work that way. He impressed the partner and is now doing a call back internship. If he never took that risk he would be left with just a useless internship cert in the end with no learnings.

I'm not surprised by the classist attitude displayed Not condoning what your batchmate said here, but you calling other states BIMARU shows your classist mentality. But again I am not surprised, people from these states have been routinely mocked in the South, particularly in Tamil Nadu which is known for its jingoism and linguistic chauvinism.

Objectively, MBL at NLS does not give u the same reputation as people on legally india would like to claim. Jindal while it is good on paper, the reputation for the same is very low because again the perception around Jindal amd rich kids. Finally, NALSAR, MA corp law maybe the safest bet considering it is both a corporate law course and has gppd reputation Al advantage.