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JK. I know you wont present a coherent argument- youll just call people bigoted for not agreeing with you. You dont even really care about being right or telling the truth- you like shaming people- women- for having opinions that are different than yours.
I love JKR- she made her billions by writing a wonderful childrens book and she could have walked away with it but she spends a lot of that money helping women and shes unafraid of bullies who would call her bigoted- she will stand for women no matter what. Thats moral courage.
Go on- tell me exactly what JKR has said that you find to be objectionable?
It’s a mens rights movement that focuses on what creates comfort for men , pronoun use, males in female spaces , males in womens prisons and males in womens sports and male doctors who don’t have to tell you they’re male when performing intimate care. And we cannot acknowledge women have babies and abortions because that’s transphobic- because trans women cannot have abortion or babies and that hurts their feelings.
Why does what is basically a mens rights movement not target men ? But women ? What do you think ?
While men can and should be perfectly good parents - they cannot be mothers. And mothers deserve their own damn word that acknowledges that unique bond. And that acknowledges that women - that mothers - might need support that goes beyond what men need.
In this particular case - this is about a 14 year old kidnapping and rape victim and whether she should have to carry the baby to term because she didn’t know she was pregnant until 26 weeks had elapsed.
Do you think that’s a plight that affects women more than men ? Is sex important here ? Does it matter ? Or do you presume equality of sexes here ?
CLAT is an APTITUDE test. Do you know what aptitude is ?
How are students supposed to read James Mill and Jeremy Bentham and Foucault and Catherine Mackinnon and Adam smith and Ronald Dworkin without the baseline English language skills ? No one is being tested on their knowledge of Shakespeare - they’re being tested on basic reading comprehension in English because the medium of instruction is English. If these are national universities in any sense it’s that Hindi is not the language of teaching. There are many universities in this country where Hindi is the language of instruction - you don’t have to go to an NLU and they don’t have to accept you if you will not be able to do the coursework. If we do accept that we need to account for class by reducing English use - can nls set it’s paper in Kannada ? Or nalsar in Telugu ? Or nujs in Bengali ? You wouldn’t like that very much would you ?
How is logic relevant ? Logic and
Argument is the basis of all the work lawyers do. Many of the tasks you list can be done by clerks. People don’t just appear for bail hearings and sit around- they actually have to argue with someone else- the prosecutor. Are logic puzzles really that hard to solve ? Do you really think Brahmins and baniyas are born with superior logic brains ? They don’t teach logical reasoning in any school as any sort of subject or module. People learn logical reasoning - which is basically just puzzle solving - for exams by practicing them. Dalit students are as capable of that task as anyone else.
How is general knowledge important ? Sorry to say but they have newspapers across the country in almost every language imaginable - it’s not difficult to have decent general knowledge. How do we begin to start teaching political science if the kid doesn’t know if we have presidential or parliamentary government and doesn’t know what an election commission is or how many states there are ? You assuming Dalit people don’t know this because they’re just inferior is the bigoted thing.
Maths ? Algebra ? Geometry ? What are you on about ? There’s no higher order math that’s tested in this exam - it’s a very basic level of math problem solving - in my year we were asked what the square root of 400 was. Charitably one could say you’re being tested on 6th standard maths when you’re in tenth standard- if you need to whip out a calculator every time you have to give change or do percentages in the real world or understand cost price and selling price - you might just not be cut out for university level education- or just the outside world in general. Math again - is a universal language - and it’s possible for poor kids to learn it just as well as rich kids. And it’s actually just testing basic logic. The math section is actually put in there to counter balance for students who might not be strong in English.
None of this is problematic unless you believe firmly in the fixed inferiority of Dalits which I do not.
Rahul Gandhi and the Americans he’s aping are looking at disparities in educational outcomes and misdiagnosing the problem. It’s not that the test is too difficult or foreign - if anything it’s too easy and forgiving- the problem is that if you go to a bad school for ten years - you will not be able to do well on any test at the end. You need better schools. The problem isn’t caste - it’s class. Rich people regardless of caste can send their kids to private schools and can sit and teach them how to do homework after school and can hire tutors. Poor people cannot do that.
Why don’t UC folks just go to Jindal ? It might surprise you but most people at Jindal aren’t actually Brahmins. They’re rich kids who couldn’t crack exams. There are many poor UC kids and they deserve to go to state institutions that offer lower fees just as much as anyone else. I couldn’t have afforded Jgls - and for many of us from early CLAT batches - it was the same - we came from poor to middle class families all of us - even the UC kids. What unified us was that we studied really hard and really wanted to improve our circumstances and we begged for better teachers and we hadn’t given up on education as a project.
If you’re gonna argue that UC kids should go to private universities - you’re not making any claim about the examination being unfair - you’re making a claim that NLUs belong more to Dalits than to people from any other caste. And in my mind - that’s no better than bigots who would tell you there should be no reservations at all and that Dalits shouldn’t be allowed into NLUs. It’s the same bigotry.
What is your solution ? Do away with the paper as it is and ask questions in Hindi - so no South Indian or north easterner or even Bengali or Goan or Gujarati or punjabi can answer the paper. Just your Hindi belt kids. And have non elite GK ? Like what ? Which exact question is non elite enough for you ? Farming practices ? Are you outside of your mind ? Customs ? What about Dalits who wouldn’t know some customs or who have been denied farming as occupation ? Customs vary wildly by community - which exact customs should we test on ? Which exact village ? It’s a big country. Farming practices vary so wildly across the country it takes some scientists years to figure out all the intricacies- so we need questions that students across the country can answer - what questions ? You cannot actually answer that substantively - because when you do - you’ll set a standard that someone will fall under. Besides - no one goes to law school to become a farmer or to become a priest - they go to law school to become lawyers. You should know the name of the president of France by reading dainik Bhaskar every day or even semi regularly- this is not a question that prizes caste based knowledge. This literally is general knowledge. Your plan doesn’t make sure Dalits pass and UCs fail - your plan just makes sure that Hindi speakers do well and the rest of us are shut out.
If students pass this strange exam you’ve created and all nlus are now state institutions teaching in regional languages - then you can bet they will not be getting placements in the numbers they are now. The law firms will be the first to leave - and the in house practices and government organisations will follow suit. And there will be a stigma attached to students that pass out from there because they’ve gotten in via a reduced standard and that will lead to reduced rigor in education. None of those kids will be able to overcome their circumstances at all. If you want to be separatist - you will have to think carefully about what you may gain or lose.
American universities bought into the nonsense that the SATs were racist and did away with them - you know what happened ? Dumber and dumber students were admitted. Rich students whose parents could afford for them to be doing several extra curriculars we’re admitted - fewer meritorious students from poor backgrounds - immigrants from china or India - could be admitted because they could only take tests and top them - they couldn’t be the head of a lacrosse team. Now those universities have realised that doing away with SATs led to a lack of diversity and are course correcting by introducing the test again.
I can't let go of this opportunity in the current job market and I need this job badly due to financial issues back home.
However, I've always imagined myself working on deals and transactions.
So, I wanted to know if it's possible for me to switch practice areas from disputes to M&A or Projects and Infrastructure or any other team.
You won't have any problem learning law. Actual legal teaching happens in the classroom and it assumes no prior knowledge.
Seriously though, to OP: LI can not 'generate' anything as such.
After this will GNLU continue with the current director? What's the point of having an EC with state govt, UGC/BCI, HC and SC worthies when institutional rot is allowed to entrench?
Kindly remember how the first review commission report upset the apple cart? While things were "ironed out" its has been eons since another review took place (many NLUs never underwent the statutory reviews). Then again, does review commission reports really solve anything?
How much do I get, if at all I get?
What does everyone here think and what’s the gossip in your law firms? How are your stocks doing?
I got a decent rank in AILET this year and would be joining NLUD. I just wanted to ask that should it be worrisome for me at this stage if I’m not able to comprehend words, sentences too often while giving my shot on the book on law of torts by rk bangia?
Will I be able to catchup with my batchmates who seem to have a comprehensive vocabulary and knowledge of the complex legal jargon that is used everywhere?
I see - 3 downvotes on this main post. Are people afraid to see that discrimination and bullying actually exists? Also, if you haven't availed reservation refrain from commenting it doesn't exist, because, get this, its not your place or right to say so.
Now apart from what I have said.
a. A priestly caste classmate of mine has said casteist things to my SC classmate. Some abhorrent stuff, which he to this day refuses to speak about.
b. This UC classmate of mine has thrown shade on other savarnas who are Lower than him on the totem pole, so you can imagine. Man's a snake and a social climber.
c. People will exclude you from social plans for no obvious reasons suddenly.(I know it happens to normal people as well. But we're talking caste and reservations here and it being the obvious case)
Now during the course of our studies many of these so called Meritorious students who got in on merit. Who were especially proud of their genes, always had a family connection to get a top notch internship in firms and regulatory bodies. Whereas i had to walk to my dream firm, because I had exactly 15 rupees in my pocket, in biting old shoes to apply for internship (thank heavens they rejected me) and ended up with a swollen big toe and pinky toe. They got these internships on their merit or connections? Is that merit?
Many of these same people ended up with mediocre jobs (even LPOs) and lives per LI standards. But it doesn't matter, coz they have intergenerational wealth. I mean they can go expensive and elaborate trips and have insane houses when earning less than half of what I earn, collectively with their spouses!
Another very proud fellow, used his connections in his community to secure a nice plush job in his initial years and is now a partner in an average firm.
I now know that the condition in my alma mater has changed for the better amongst students (not all students). I'm proud of the kids there today.
No direct discrimination as such in NLUJ although outside the campus some people will ask your caste before your name.
At the time I had joined the so called NLU, i was ashamed that I had joined through reservation.
At the time, because of the then prevailing sentiments of the time (the then government had implemented / was to implement the 27% reservation for OBCs) anti reservation sentiment was in fervour. Savarna wokes were crying hoarse against reservation with a lot of vigour.
At the time, there was no one to tell us that reservation wasn't a handout. Nor did we have the language to articulate our situation.
I mean the criminal law professor in class during the discussion in first year on reservation believed / misrepresented to the students that reservations are for economic upliftment (lol. That show's his merit). So you can imagine our position, fresh into law school, no language or position to argue.
Now to the juicy bits.
To add context, in my alma mater at the time, majority of the professors and administrators were Savarnas. And especially belonging to one particular powerful caste of that state, who think they are of the "warrior" caste.
I grew up in a metro city, my English was and is impeccable, even more than some students from metro cities of India because of difficult financial situation at home pre law school. Infact I could give a SoBo boy a run for his money in terms of eloquence and polish. My name also sounds like a super higher caste name, because of lack of surname. Even today people from my workplaces think I'm from the priestly caste. Lol.
Ok enough context.
1. In private discussions, I have had people rant infront of me that caste reservations shouldn't be allowed. And even if they are, then people like this (pointing to me) should only be allowed. I had this wave of shame pass from my head to toe. I didnt know what to say, but to stare apologetically at the group.
In hindsight, they wanted someone who shares their high class aesthetic and polish, listens to western music be allowed.
2. I have heard conversations through other people where I know classmates have said people like me don't deserve to be in college and should be kicked out. These were people who were very friendly with me on the face, but said this behind my back.
3. In terms of romance, I can never confirm this, but I'm certain a romantic interest of mine was convinced against dating me partly due to caste. I say partly because there were other minor reasons by the persons who did badger her not to, and they may not have mentioned this overtly to her. I can never know, i could be wrong, just my hunch.
4. A professor in my college was in private with Savarna students of his caste very pally and would tell them how to behave according to caste.
5. I am pretty sure paper grading was biased according to caste, may not have been always. But sure was sometimes.
6. An SC professor in my college was definitely ostracized by other faculty. About him, he was very bad at teaching initially. He was also very bad diction and speaking. But I swear he improved by leaps and bounds and could explain concepts and theories so well. But was never given due credit. Whereas, professors who were stagnant and outdated and had mediocre teaching skills were celebrated just because of their savarna aesthetics.
7. I have had people innocently declare that (a) they want a nice Rajput (insert savarna caste) boy /girl for marriage, (b) they are of high birth, and have best genes in India, (c) they are the highest amongst the priestly class. As if we're scum, one or two of these genes fellows even had genetically deformed limbs.. The irony was not lost on me then, but I didn't want to hurt their feelings.
I know for you savarnas this is par for the course, and my statements may seem glaring. I don't think you guys understand the position of power you are in, and what goes through our minds. You guys are absolutely cut off from the plebians. You may be poor, but you're a poor rich person. We are the poor.
Also, why I am i seeing comments from people who haven't availed reservation here claiming there's no discrimination? You guys sit and don't take space here, its not your comment section here.
A very good podcast on this condition that i went through exists. Its by Anurag Minus Verma and the guest was Buffalo Intellectual.
Btw. You guys should attend Buffalo Intellectual's stand up (semi-comedy) show for a whole lot of context and reality check.
Again savarnas. Dont speak here please. Dont you claim there's no discrimination. You create a separate thread for it. Mods please look into it.
Indirect (Like excluding you from group activities, not considering your opinion as valuable): A lot of discrimination
2. Heinonline, JStor and Manu are accessible. SCC Online is bad, but is gradually improving. I am not sure if LI reported on this at the time, but India’s first blind Rhodes Scholar got into quite a verbal spat with them on Twitter a number of years ago because they effectively said that demands by the blind to make the database were unreasonable, we should be thankful for what we have and go home. As he pointed out in an interview with Jurist, the incremental improvements that have been made to SCC Online have been the result, not of reformed attitudes on accessibility on part of those who run the database, but because of other website improvements they have been making (I won’t jump any further on this hobby horse).
3. I have found this to be the case as well for research projects. I, too, write and rewrite. In fact, in a way, I find it easier! A piece of advice I often hear is that, to understand the flaws in one’s writing, one should try reading it aloud. My screen reader is reading it back to me, so I am constantly listening to what I am writing, in real time! As for footnotes, my screen reader indicates that I have inserted a footnote and where it is, and I can put in whatever information I need to in there. At the end of every page, I can read and navigate through the footnotes, just as a sighted person would do. Obviously, it’s more time consuming, but hardly “awkward”. I have to keep in mind all the stylistic conventions surrounding fonts and so on and apply them (using keyboard shortcuts in Word) as best I can. There are functionalities in my screen reader that can be turned on and off to report things like font colour, attributes, size and so on, and other features like alignment, which I turn on to check my application of formatting requirements. While obviously it is reading the text and announcing these formatting features at the same time, I can’t just go over something once, but have to do so multiple times. But how different is that from what you as a sighted person would do? Wouldn’t you proofread your projects multiple times prior to submission?
1. If you work at an institution with reasonably good accessibility infrastructure and a good disability service (I know this sounds largely like an institution in the west at this point, but let's go with it for the sake of argument, as such things should slowly be coming to India, and this point would translate well if you were to work as an academic in the west), follow all reasonable/sensible advice you receive from those in your institutional administration to make your teaching materials accessible. For example, if they tell you that the best accessibility practice would be to upload/assign a PDF as a reading on a Virtual Learning Environment after putting it through SensusAccess or some equivalent accessibility conversion package first that converts image-based PDFs into accessible typed text, it might be better to just do it, rather than see it as “another useless request from the administration”. Remember if you don’t, your student will have to, only increasing the unfair burden on them. At the same time, use your discretion wisely and follow your instincts. Ask yourself, "Is this advice necessarily the best way to do things for a blind person?". This might especially arise if, for example, a document with lots of Mathematical symbols is involved. Therefore, in one sentence, listen to your student, good advice on accessibility practices and your instincts.
2. I think any student with support needs would appreciate if you asked them what they needed in a classroom to better facilitate their learning. Even if you know, just ask, because the answer might be different from blind student to blind student, as not all blind students are the same (one may have a tiny amount of vision where another has none, one might have learned Braille where another hasn’t, one may choose to ask a fellow student to support them by being a notetaker while another might be able to juggle hearing the professor speak while at the same time typing out their notes and listening to the screen reader… you get the point, we aren’t a monolith). But never, ever, ask about or discuss things like accessibility or exam/assessment adjustments in front of other students. You are opening your future blind/disabled student up to potential humiliation and bullying, which you don’t want. In addition, if you are going to do some kind of exercise that may not be the typical back-and-forth of students discussing and answering the teacher’s questions, e.g., getting a student to read something aloud, ask again in advance how your blind student can/will do it. To go with the reading aloud example, some blind people may not find it easy to read aloud, either because they haven’t learned Braille/don’t use it often or find it hard to coordinate between listening to a screen reader, while at the same time reading, which might make them feel embarrassed or humiliated in participating in such an exercise.
3. Learn to be as verbal as you possibly can. Remember, everything you do visually (writing on a board, illustrating how price elasticity of demand works etc.) has to now be described. Get very good at describing in a way which isn’t spoon-feeding. One very embarrassing thing that often happens in classes with blind students is that, when there is a show of hands to answer a question, the teacher says ‘yes’ while looking at/pointing to the blind student. This will leave a blind student confused as to whether you want them to answer or not, leading to awkward pauses. Always say the name, or if you really have trouble remembering names, don’t break these awkward pauses with impatience; remember your student is navigating layers of judgementalism from their fellow sighted course-mates, in a classroom designed for and by sighted people, in conformance with the expectations of a sighted society, in a sighted world.
4. Returning to point 1, it is always good practice to let your student, university library and university disability service (if and where any such thing is available) know of what textbook(s) will be assigned in class in advance. If chapters from multiple books will be assigned, this is also fine, just let all applicable stakeholders know. This gives time for accessible copies of the set text(s) to be procured well in time from publishers if and where available, or scanned by librarians/disability support officers where that is needed.
5. If you are teaching a class on legal research/database usage, learn how databases are perceived by screen reader users. In simpler terms, understand how to navigate legal databases using only keyboard keys/shortcuts, rather than a mouse. Instructions such as “scroll here” or “click on the red arrow” won’t work, with workable alternatives being things like “Scroll using tab/arrow keys [where appropriate]” or “select the ‘advanced search’ option”, because screen readers can’t be used with a mouse meaningfully, and they read out the names of icons/buttons to their users, and do not describe colours/arrows. If you are training your student to use one of the prominent western legal databases (Westlaw, Lexis Nexis etc.), find out if your university/law school can arrange for your blind student to receive training from specialists who work for those databases who know how to train blind people to use them; if your law school hasn’t done such a thing before, get them to do it. Relating to verbalising and descriptions above, remember that stuff their sighted counterparts will take in by looking will often have to be told to a blind person. For example, the convention of underlining case names in the OSCOLA citation style is something the sighted will pick up organically from looking at articles/books’ footnotes/end notes, but something you may have to tell a blind student. Don’t be afraid to mention this as assignment feedback, if necessary. Suppose you are marking a Tort essay that is to be written using OSCOLA and you see that a blind student isn’t underlining case names, something they should have learned about in legal research classes, just give it as feedback, they may not have been told by a careless sighted colleague of yours and may not be told again by colleagues who may take pity or whatever, but instead have such things come back to bite them later.
How do you write research projects ? For me a lot of that writing is rewriting and editing ? Wouldn’t that be awkward and difficult with speech to text ? And footnotes and citations ? How do you manage that while being blind ?
I know Unilever pays well and isn't toxic. Heard the same about Mondelez too. Any other names?
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Anyone here who got internship at tier 1 firms like cam/ sam/Khaitan/Indus/trilegal/AzB
Without any connection or references but with direct application through mailing CV with many follow-ups obviously.
If yes pls do tell.
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Also, there are plenty of resources online to read up about queerness, including several created by queer people or groups. Make use of them.