Please confirm if the following understanding is correct:

Say X earns 10lpa at a small firm at A2 level. X has been only in small firms since X's day 1.
Say Y earns 16.8lpa at a Tier 1 firm at A2 level. Y has been at said Tier 1 since Y's day 1.

Now say, X is joining said Tier 1 firm (where Y is working) at same A2 level.

Per the 10-15% math, X will be earning in the range of 11lpa to 11.5lpa, despite his peer Y at same firm earning 16.8lpa.

So, how would X ever be able to match their salary to that of a Tier 1 associate who has been at Tier 1 since day 1?

Do all firms do this 10-15% hike and not match the salaries with existing associates? Or are there any exceptions? Because if there aren't any exceptions I am wondering what scope would someone like X have to increase his salary prospects.

Curious to know. If someone has been working in a non-tier/smaller law firm for few years at the beginning of their career, their fees would usually be lower than what a person of same PQE would be earning at a Tier 1/2.

Now if this someone joins a Tier 1/2 law firm, after a a few years of working in the non-tier/smaller firm, will they be paid lesser than their colleagues at the Tier 1/2, who are at the same PQE level and have been there since their day 1?

Which firms usually follow this? And which firm don't?

Hinduism marginalises women, tribals, Dalits etc?

hmm do you even understand tribals did constituted a part of Vedic society and infact Vedic society was about tribals and clans?
and Hinduism has gone a lot of reforms unlike other religions and will continue to get reformed

Coming on to women I think only a fool will compare a 4000 year old rules to current situation and try to judge with it without seeing a current situation. Hinduism is the most pro women religion when it comes to women goddess and their reverence in society.

Again don't compare foolishly with some texts because every text has gone some transformation or a new text replaced it at some point of time.

I love how you compare religions that are thousand year olds to current situation.

Chanakya in his book clearly stated that a KING should punish a priest (Brahmin) if he denies to teach Outcaste person Vedas or or officiate sacrificial performance undertaken by him.
It tells us about the Mauryan Empire and state of outcaste person 25000 years ago.

Caste came in later Vedic period and gradually changed with time in thousands of years.
I love how you hate Hindutva while the same ideology calls for elimination of castes and unite hindus .

IF people think that Hinduism is controlled by a book or something then they are foolish. Hinduism grew with societal changes and those societal changes has changed Hinduism gradually.

Coming to secularism I think the problem with you guys is that you all think secularism was always followed by every respective government but that's all BS.

Look at history we were always secular in paper work not in work.
Congress favours Muslims for votes so made whole ▮▮▮ community OBC while also Congress government was riding on Hindu wave with ram mandir during rajiv gandhi times and BJP as always is busy removing caste barriers in HINDU society to get votes from all while ignoring muslims in politics. Same with DMK they still ▮▮▮ have dalits who cannot enter temple while they are busy promoting Christianity and taking money from Hindu temple or destroying Hindu temples.

All significant concepts of the modern theory of the state are secularized theological concepts not only because of their historical development - in which they were transferred from theology to the theory of the state, whereby, for example, the omnipotent god became the omnipotent lawgiver - but also because of their systematic structure, the recognition of which is necessary for a sociological consideration of these concepts. The exception in jurisprudence is analogous to the miracle in theology. Only by being aware of this analogy can we appreciate the manner in which the philosophical ideas of the state developed in the last centuries.”

― Carl Schmitt, Political Theology: Four Chapters on the Concept of Sovereignty

India is not a hindu rashtra. YOU may think it is a hindu nation, do not speak for the one billion people in this country. Hinduism marginalises women, tribals, dalits etc etc. All major religions in the world marginalise women and other various groups. India will never develop until we look at the development of this country through a rational lens instead of making decisions for 1 billion people based on a fictional man in the sky. Any religion is poison in politics. Stop making this a brain dead competition and embrace secularism. I cant believe YOU must be a lawyer because you dont even seem to understand the basic tenets of democracy and justice.

Won’t happen. Gen Z and Gen Y are two totally different generations the world over. Gen Z is active when it comes to protests on political issues like CAA and Gaza, but not when it comes to internal university issues. For Gen Y it was the reverse. Gen Y was more self interested in issues affecting only them, whereas Gen Z is passionate about issues accepting the wider world, especially oppressed ethnic, religious and sexual minorities. That’s just the way it is.

Chill. NKC will be loyal to whichever party is in power in Bengal. If the BJP wins the state election in 2026, you'll see Baba Ramdev being appointed as a Chair Professor, if the TMC wins in 2026 you'll see Sheikh Shahjahan being awarded an honorary PhD. You kids are idealistic and don't understand that grown-ups don't care about ideology. Self interest is all that matters. You'll understand this better once you grow older.

"And law students should be such who can raise voice against anyone, they should not be having any kind of fear. Like in NUJS (The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences), students are managing the entire college and they can raise their voice against the director. Anything happens, they can sit on dharna."

Unprecedented and heartening that a HC actually praises students of an NLU for protesting. Contrast with NLSIU, where the then CJI (Bobde) had told Gopal Shanks that he disapproved of such protests (when he came to push for Sudhir's nomination and NLSIU students were protesting at efforts by the TLC lobby to reject Sudhir)

I imagine that Chandrachud is not like Bobde and will support a protest for a just cause. But the question is whether the present generation of NUJS students can protest like early generations? Whether the Gen Z SJA is as active as the Gen Y SJA? Is Gen Z a generation of tweeters rather than doers? Are their protests restricted to social media rants?

The NUJS VCship nomination is coming up and will heat up after the 4 June election results. Will students do anything then?

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/on-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-queerphobia-hold-confidence-building-exercises-teach-inclusiveness-to-students-hc-tells-gnlu-9297804/

I don't think I have seen too much of Saraf on LinkedIN or anywhere, actually. No one knows or is talking about their partners, except for maybe Avirup Nag and Manmeet Singh. I think the only image people have of that firm is that it L&L 2.0 and is trying to make some splashes and is majorly failing to do that.

I think the only time they're mentioned on this forum is when delayed bonuses and increments are being discussed.

Not a lawyer, but can definitely resonate with you. Having graduated from a Tier 3/4 city and being an introvert, public speaking was always a challenge. One thing that has worked for me is the continuous/forced effort to push my boundaries and accept more often of such speaking opportunities. Ofcourse, you've got to start from a webinar before throwing yourself to a podium. Most important part is to practice and practice a lot! Be aware of what you are speaking and try to speak slow. This has worked with me and got me several speaking opportunities in a Tier I firm, where I am placed now. Wish you success in life and i am pretty sure you will overcome this soon. It's just a matter of time.

Having some standard moderation instead of "mera man kia bus" is the only way people will be happy. Right now the moderation takes wayy too long (which is understandable) but it is so discretionary, some random sh!ity posts are allowed and imp ones aren't published. The whole not published for being trollish is also such BS because I believe alot of the new mods are kids and they don't even know if the info about the said person is trollish or actually true.

How is this Contested? Looks like a fair view.

Since its tax you do not have much options too. It is NDA, ELP, Vaish, Khaitan and a few other law firms to jump to. GST/DT people still have some scope since advisory team has CA's and litigation wale can still jump to other places. Rest are screwed. I don't think they have even implemented their revised pay scales, or is it still the same pay for freshers?

Such a 'Let them eat cake' take by the blessed second-gen OP

The divide in generational 'insiders' and non-generational 'outsiders' begins at colleges. It persists at the time of getting your enrollment form signed. First gens have no place at the table in the Bar rooms, despite being paying members. Insider law students trotting as "interns" are given a royal cushion for their @$$.

Insiders start filing their VPs in daddy's/ mommy's matters, argue those, while we are stuck searching for even half as decent seniors who hopefully treat us at least like human-slaves and not like scum. We are trapped seeking adjournments and getting matters kept back with ni end in sight.

Insiders, spare us your sob stories, we have enough on our plates already.

Hi, I am a 3rd year law student from a tier-2/3 NLU. I am interested in technology law. I am confused whether I should choose one area or proceed forward with both of them. I have seen partners at some renowned tier-2 firms handling tech related and fintech work along with their corp/m&a practice and TMT teams of tier-2 law firms handling general corp related work of technology companies. Do both these fields overlap?
How much gen corp, m&a, pe and vc work is there for technology lawyers? Are there any teams in tier-1 firms that handle both technology and corporate work together? Are there lesser opportunities and lesser money in TMT, if I choose TMT over Corporate? With rapid growth in technology, does having knowledge and experience in Technology Law helps one in securing a job in Corporate Teams of tier-1 and tier-2 law firms

OP, there's just one thing you should hear regarding your experiences from anyone with even the smallest drop of humanity: simply, I am sorry that you faced this, it is unacceptable, full-stop. A few more things, however, need to be said regarding the responses to your comment where you have outlined your experiences. The amount of insensitivity and victim blaming (disguised as reasonable hair-splitting about definitions or what "actual" discrimination is supposed to look like) is as awful as your experiences. I am sorry that the mods haven't intervened in this and done their job properly either, by marking more of these comments "contested", "trollish" etc, and reminding people here about the value of kindness. They should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Very simply, you came to this forum looking for support, and all you got is more hate. Shame on everyone else who has indulged in this.

See threads on Chennai salaries

Chennai as a city has the lowest fresher corp law pay across India.

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/266717-highest-paying-law-firms-in-chennai

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/311680-meaningful-reviews-of-bangalore-and-chennai-based-offices-please-no-tier-restrictions-etc-if-you-know-either-of-a-great-place-or-of-a-major-red-flag-to-be-avoided-do-tell

Actually 3LPA is not bad by Chennai standards.

Chennai law firms pay the lowest salaries among all Indian cities. Even Tier 1 (National Practices) firms in Chennai pays less than 1/2nd or 1/3rd of what they pay in Bengaluru or Mumbai.

It doesn't even have anything to do with cost of living. Chennai is cheaper than Bangalore. But the salaries are so low in Chennai.

Tamil Nadu economy is booming, Chennai is emerging. But lawyer pay is bad, really bad. Only people who make money here are Senior Counsels in Litigation.

I have friends in Chennai law college and TN nlu tiruchi. But for corporate practice they prefer anywhere outside Chennai because of the pay.

Allen & Overy and Shearman & Sterling said on Wednesday that they have completed their long-planned merger, officially launching the largest transatlantic law firm combination in years.

They said the union creates a firm with nearly 4,000 lawyers and 3,000 other employees across 47 offices, generating combined revenues of about $3.5 billion.

Leaders of the new firm, A&O Shearman, said they expect a smooth debut after nearly a year of preparations by London-founded Allen & Overy and its smaller counterpart Shearman & Sterling, which was among the top old-line New York law firms.

Context - Both the firms have a dozen of Indian LLB lawyers.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/ao-shearman-joins-ranks-major-transatlantic-law-firm-mergers-2024-05-01/

Most clients are venture cap funds or tech companies - you do have a fair amount of strategic acquisitions as well. Trilegal has a really good practice and so does CAM. CAM Bangalore is actually better than CAM other offices for M&A. JSA, KCO, AZB, SAM, Indus all have decent practices. Some smaller law firms are also quite good.

Any insights on which firms/lawyers have good M&A practice in Bangalore? No bar on if the firm is Tier 1/2/3/boutique. The last I read was that the M&A scene in Bangalore is not as robust as Mumbai or Delhi, and have been wondering if that has changed since.

Also, are clients in Bangalore transaction usually only start-ups/tech companies?

Creative answers from law students encouraged but could you self regulate a little, and mark it as trollish?

Gut level, is it really about long standing carefully curated relationships?

There are rainmakers, and then there are rainmakers. 🐎

In top firms, how much is the founder's pull on bringing in business?

Are there partners that only work on rainmaking full time and zero execution? Is that possible, rewarded and respected?

hahaha youre in a bubble. You have no idea what america even is. Its a big big country with many more people who disagree and young people dont vote because its not cool. Cornel West has no chance at all. Biden may lose to Trump if he keeps it up. And part of it will be because hes associated with radicals in his own party like AOC, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib

I'm a batch topper in my law school but due to personal reasons I had to stay at home for a year after graduation. Then I got enrolled and joined a senior office at high court. Not much opportunities were given but I did any kind of work that came my way diligently. Unfortunately, on my 7th month at office i broke my leg and soon later I fell sick and got hospitalized for 10 days and was in recovery for 2 months at home as per doctor's advice. When I got alright, I intimated my senior that I'll resume my work from now on, he too agreed the same. But on the date of rejoining, he asked me not to come and a week later, via text he laid me off stating that he was not getting many cases after becoming a designated senior. He too laid of another person for the same reason. This was pretty humiliating. I did not even recieve any experience letter despite asking him and his clerk several times.He said he will issue the experience letter but he never did. I feel that he doesn't want me to give any experience letter. I took a break after this and till now i haven't moved on from this humiliation. I feel stuck and I'm hesitant to join any other office as because this incident has sowed self doubt in me. And I feel my own friends don't respect me since I'm jobless and it's pretty hurtful. Also, my family situation is not very smooth. All of this is taking a toll on my mental health. And on top of this, I feel like I'm forgetting the law subjects which I studied in college now. I want to brush up the topics but I'm feeling overwhelmed by all of this. How do I push myself forward and join a office? Should I tell new recruiter that I worked at senior chamber and got laid off ? Or just apply with the internship experience which I gained during college? Please help !!!

I was working with a law firm after my graduation.Due to some issues, I had to leave the job and was doing freelance work- mostly content writing and legal research for around 4 months.I just recently joined back a law firm and am back on track Thank God.However, since my tota post qualification l work experience is nearing 1 year, shall I consider my non; legal gig in it as well or would it be counted exclusively from the perspective of my previous and current law firm experience?

JD from Harvard costs 3 Cr, not 10Cr. https://hls.harvard.edu/sfs/financial-aid/financial-aid-policy/cost-of-attendance/

I was considering the JD and as you said, it is quite expensive.I have graduated a couple of years ago so not sure if it would be a good step for my career as well (might be a bit too old by the time I graduate).

What if one considers London? What would be the best option for that?

The batch also knows this incident was controversial because it was a consensual relationship gone wrong and the anon victim didn't come forward because there was no way she could have produced evidence of the allegations without also admitting to everything else that went down.

@LegallyIndia and @AshReh: I think we SHOULD have ideological moderation on LI, with left-liberal views receiving primacy. I am in support of shadow-banning right-wing voices on LI. We have all seen how the right wing has weaponised free speech. It led to Modi 2014/2019, Trump 2016, Milei 2023 etc. The right wing is also financially more powerful, so they cannot be places on the same pedestal. It's also ludicrous to say that Israel supporters and Palestine supporters should get equal free speech rights. Let me tell you that the looming dangers of fascism are now showing up in law schools and need to be curbed.