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On the iPad, I would suggest you go for an Air 13" or Pro 13" (if budget allows). The extra space really comes in handy when using liquid text (especially with 2 documents open).
Which means we'll be getting arrears only for 1 week, as opposed to 4 months
a hint will also work.
Can confirm Nishchal is not going anywhere.
(Ps- I genuinely have respect for those richhh kisses)
Has the partner rejected my cv or did they fill the position elsewhere?
is this a normal delay?
Also, even more revealing is your description of Brian Leiter (!!) as a 'great' theorist (!!!). We're just saying anything these days huh?
Your entire comment is a situation of the pot calling the kettle black.
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▮▮▮ on LI: Upvoting a comment saying BCI ain't dumb.
I've said this before, but I'll say it again, because it's worth repeating: the intellectual quality of Indian lawyers is just totally shit. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Those who can, do get yourself a magic circle job, an LLM + PhD followed by a pupillage followed by tenancy at an English barristers' chambers (as long as you are good and perform well in the pupillage) or a position in academia at a university somewhere, or an MBA from somewhere or the other which is good, and get out of this mess. The rest... I'm sorry, but you made your own bed, and all that sort of thing.
A kid in that situation might consider himself less fortunate than someone who goes abroad for their BA. But trust it’s just a matter of degree and not one of kind. You either are hungry or you’re not. Nobody is a son of bezos but that doesn’t mean the sons of other billionaires are somehow disadvantaged.
Yes. Clat is competitive. The world is competitive. It was competitive even at the start where you competed for fewer seats against 60k people. But it’s also easy if one just studies. So I don’t know, maybe your parents should have just taught you to study.
It is absolutely parental thing to want the best outcomes for your kid. But it is stupid and greedy and only a wealthy person thing to assume you can buy the best outcomes for your kid. What are you to do ? Parent your child. Teach them the value of hard work and humility so they don’t say ignorant crap like OP and get read for filth. Do you even really know your kids ? If there’s one thing I learnt hanging around Jindal students it’s that their parents have no idea what is going on with them. They’re not parents as much as they are “financiers”. Investors who have to be shielded from the day to day and presented with a picture that is assuring - and the university and the students both collaborate in this deception. It would never have passed muster with most middle class parents who know their kids and know when something is off. Stop indulging every whim and fancy and let your kids be held accountable for their mistakes, let them learn, and let them grow up.teach them how to be good members of their community.
And do this ideally before they become the worlds problem. Before they come in to universities and bring all these substance abuse and behavioural problems with them, maybe figure out what’s going on with your kid and parent them.
Teach them what it means to have a work ethic and to be respectful of others before they end up at a workplace where they are now someone else’s problem.
They’re not born into being demons or whatever, but the sheer lack of raising- I mean they have everything they could ever want except actual parents who will bite the bullet and do the hard stuff. In that respect they’re pretty much neglected.
You raise decent people - they won’t get cursed out by the people around them. Even if they do go to private schools.
I intend to parent my kids thanks.
There seems to be a fundamental disconnect on the number of kids who are "rich" in Jindal, and how "rich" they are. For law batches of 1000ish (only for the 5-year LLB) kids per FY, it is just not possible that every kid has family / connects who are very high up in the legal profession or is some HNI / Promoters kid. No doubt, they have parents who can afford the crazy fees, however, they are individuals who are employees (and not at CXO levels), without the connects to get their child a solid job, or the money to support that kid forever (if they flunked out of that stupid job). They are parents who are willing to put in that money with that understanding (and consequent pressure on the child) that they are only supported until this stage and must now make their own way forward. This growing class may not have to support their family or send money home, but they also know that they have no inheritance or family business to fall back on.
I would think that it is not IB kids who would even go to a Jindal since most IB kids go abroad (that is, they're generally from a class even higher than those who send their kids to Jindal). There is a significant difference between these groups too. 5 years in Jindal will net net with all living expenses be approx. 60L. 4 years in the US with living expenses would be double, and almost close to 2Cr-ish. These are significantly different numbers.
Alos - look at the CLAT applicant and seat numbers. In 2015, approx. 40,000 people gave the exam for approx. 3000 (UG+PG) seats. In 2025 approx. 80,000 people gave the exam for approx. 4000 (UG+PG) seats. Of these 4000 seats, less than a 1000 are in the top 6-7 NLU's (which offer both a great education and job security), with the remaining 3000 seats in lower NLU's, which are actual government colleges with far from the best professors, or recruitment numbers. There is no proportionate seat increase, or quality control in any expansion - (ofc this is what happens in a capitalistic society and places like Jindal prey on these families)
Where is a growing upper - lower class supposed to send their kids if those are the options? Is it not a parental thing to want the best for your kid? Quite frankly, what are these parents supposed to do? What is your solution?
Nothing makes these kids virtuous, or hardworking or in any way special. They should receive no applause or merit for going to Jindal - they did nothing to earn that. It also does not make these kids demons, the scrouge of society, or the pole bearers of modern Indian capitalism (which is how you seem to think they are) for having to go to a private law school.
The job market is really bad. The RCC is bringing in more opportunities, and hopefully the rest 20-22 odd people will get placed by the end of this academic year.
On the hours and workload - Cap marks is work all year around, given good market conditions, and becomes predictable after you’ve done your first deal or two. This can work to your advantage in the sense that you can plan your calendar ahead for any holidays, etc. M&A/PE/VC is extremely unpredictable and you have zero idea if you’re going to be spending the next 3-4 nights in the office. Both fields require you to slog for hours on end.
Work culture - Won’t name names, but the firm I worked for had extremely understanding partners (cap marks) and focused a lot on having a life outside work. Can’t say the same for the M&A team I worked for. But this is entirely luck - do your own research before you apply for a team.
Quality of work - M&A all the way. You’re at least thinking like a lawyer and using your brain. Can’t say the same for cap marks which involves very little application of mind. You will find yourself doing the most mundane of tasks begging for AI to replace your job, because it is just THAT monotonous.
Concluding remarks - Just do an MBA and get yourself out of this service industry. Cap marks or M&A, you’re at the mercy of a client that has the ability to dictate your time. Personally, that’s no way to live life.
I know what you’re going through, just know that we’ve all been where you are somewhere. But take my advice and sit for day z even if you have a low rank. It is better than not sitting snd regretting. On top of that, whatever interviews you give will help you gain experience for later.
And don’t worry, you got this!
So kids, if you can and want to escape, do an MBA and just get out of this profession. There is nothing worth it in this career. The glitz and glam and passion that we may strive for is less than 1% of the lawyers in total.
So... RUN !!!!!!
Also what was your answer to the why MBA question?
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