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I know that lot of lawyer/law firms cannot at times give their real email address, how do we solve it? Asking since lots of lawyers go through threads, so we need a better way to connect with them.
heard its two teams - banking and cap marks.
how is the work / delegation? do associates learn?
Thank you.
1) CAT is one of the most competitive exams in India. You have a four year gap in your resume and have no work ex to show for it. Even if, hypothetically, you were to get into a Tier-2/3 MBA college, that will be a waste of time and resources. You will graduate with an enormous education loan that you will not be able to pay off in time. This situation would only arise if employers with good paying salaries are willing to give you a shot (which is unlikely).
2) The smartest thing for you to do now, given that you have invested 4 years in preparing for UPSC (hopefully which has been a genuine utilisation of time) is to prepare for other easier government exams. You can try out - Railway Recruitment Board, SBI PO, SSC CGL, IBPS Clerk, NABARD, state PCS exams, judiciary papers etc.
In the meanwhile, please do not compromise on work experience. Join a coaching centre as a law faculty.
I have an upcoming interview at Fox Mandal & Associates at there infrastructure team as a Trainee Associate.
I wanted to know from someone else who has experience in a similar role in relation to infrastructure at a Corporate Law Firm. What are the topics I must familiarize myself with, and what should I brush up on before my interview. Any help is appreciated.
I had already made up my mind that to go wrong in my own way is better than to go right in someone else’s.
But during the actual clat, everything that I had hoped I had overcome cam back in my mind. All the mediocre thoughts and meaningless comparisons and hopelessness after a minor mistake in omr.
This all resulted in my mediocre performance with 5 digit rank.
I am at this moment waitlisted for sls noida and Pune but I have no hopes for either due to the waitlist number.
I have kiit
Overall if you get an opportunity to join AN’s team. Please do.
But the question is whether are such salary is enough for your living ? The answer is big nooo !
If you can survive to work for 8-10 hrs in a day for 15k salary for few years than you can make money and do well in this profession.
Coming to the practice in Bangalore will be usually in Civil Court along with few matters in Magistrate Court and also in High Court you will be be given tasks to go to all these courts and if your senior has Tribunal work you may have to go there also.
Secondly, You will be paid around 15-20k as salary by so called generous seniors and if you are lucky they may pay you extra 5-10k based on performance and their generosity.
Thirdly, A good senior expects you to work in all 3 or more courts in a day and looks at your ability to learn from him, some seniors expects that you have to learn from looking at their practice and they won't like asking every nuke and corner of the procedure but some of them are going to mentor you like each and every aspect of the practice.
They will expect you to file objections and filing IAs and getting certified copies from Civil Court to getting scrutiny objection cleared in High Court in one day.
Fourthly, to find senior one should have luck otherwise you have to lick their boots till you find another good senior !
There are some Bangalore based litigation advocates posts about vacancies go through it.
Main point to consider shifting is the opportunities, however, if you can survive with this initial pay then you can rock in this profession.
(Atleast that's what I have been told by my Seniors)
And 4 lakh 50 thousand fees? That's exorbitant, considering it's an unproven concept. When Jindal was just starting out, they admitted most students for free. I know because they found my number somehow when I was offered admission to an NLU in 2015, called me up, and offered me free schooling.
All well and good to try and become NLS- good ambition. but Dr. Madhava Menon knew what he was doing. He was an accomplished academic who had been around for years. Until they get one of those- I think this will just be some weird fantasy fulfillment for people who wanted to be academics but didnt pursue it. If theyre serious about legal education they should get people who are serious about legal education. Not people who are role playing in their free time.
your entire comment is based on pure assumptions and anecdotes. You are cherry picking examples of branhmin judges to come to a preferred conclusion. Even in Kolkata, brahmin lawyers and judges were exceedingly rare considering 30-35% of bengali population would be brahmin. They have always preferred sciences, academia, IT as their area of focus.
1. For UK specifically remember this also. There are different types of academic employment contracts at British universities: so-called 'T&R' (Teaching and Research) and 'T&S' (Teaching and Scholarship) contracts. The latter involves more teaching load, more marking, more grunt admin etc, with very little scope for promotions, while the former usually aportions the workload as follows: 40% teaching, 40% research and 20% admin (marking, faculty committees and so on) (you will notice that T&S contracts don't have much research expectation). For the T&R contract, a PhD is usually required as an entry level criteria, not just for promotions (so even for the most junior starting rung of the academic ladder, if you wanted a T&R contract, you'd need a PhD). A T&S contract, in addition to not having any major research expectations, has a few other things about it: it doesn't necessarily require a PhD, but at many unis, people are usually employed on such contracts on a maternity cover basis (you know, a regular torts tutor is gonna have a kid, they need someone for eight months to cover those responsibilities, they take someone needing a gap year for financials between master's and PhD and get shot of that one at the end of the year). That very significant negative feature means that they would rather take someone who could teach the 'core modules' which the regulators of the profession (the SRA or Solicitors' Regulation Authority for solicitors and the Bar Standards Board or BSB for barristers) have agreed should be the required foundation subjects of study to obtain a law degree (in other words, someone who has done an English law degree or qualified as an English lawyer). So regarding the work experience part, if UK is your intended destination, you might want to try and qualify as a solicitor maybe? Perhaps by doing a lateral move to a London law firm and working there for a few years before doing anything else. Remember: you may see some very senior faculty at UK unis without PhDs. Don't go by that. They entered the British academic job market in a very different day and age, when expectations were more flexible and people were more open to the idea that non-PhD holders could produce high quality intellectual work too (and when the emphasis on research output and 'quality' of such output was much less).
2. Can't speak much about Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore, but would imagine that expectations are largely similar.
3. I know you said no U.S., but I will just say what I know about that just in case it might help (if not you, then someone else). U.S. is even more tricky in some senses. Their foundation or qualifying law degrees (the JD) are 'terminal degrees' (i.e., usually done as the final degree in someone's educational career or in combination with a PhD in something else). Now they have LLM degrees and doctorates in law called SJDs or JSDs, but these are primarily graduate law degrees designed for foreign students who, having done their qualifying law degree overseas, want exposure to U.S. legal training (the expectation is that those people will use their U.S. studies to teach and research abroad). They hardly ever hire graduates of their own SJD/JSD programmes, even though they have rigorous entry procedures and SJD/JSD candidates at the very good U.S. law schools (Harvard, Yale etc) usually get some American teaching experience. For the foreigner with qualifying and/or even further law degrees from abroad, the best way to get into U.S. academia is to debase oneself to the extent of bowing to the inevitable and going for a JD (maybe a combination of a good Indian BALLB + UK LLM + second UK master's (like Oxford MPhil, if you are solid enough to get in) might work in your favour, for the academic market when you graduate from a JD, but for JD admission purpose as well, in terms of profile). That is one option, but often U.S. faculty have PhDs in other fields before they do their JDs. Considering that piculiarity, think about this option for entry to U.S. academia (obviously going for it depends on your own interests as well as the very high selection barrier for it). If you are the jurisprudence type (always a good type to be if you want to work in the U.S.), then the PhD in Jurisprudence and Social Policy (JSP) programme that Berkeley California offers is a good option. It is a very long PhD programme (usually about five to seven (at most) years), where they give you extensive training in many subjects, from science to philosophy to history to economics, before examining you in a specific 'field' and making you write a 'dissertation' (what in other countries would be a 'thesis') in the final years of your JSP studies. The coursework is so varied and long because they assume that the 'undergraduate training' received by everyone on the programme is shit. JSP, BTW, is not one of those primarily-designed-for-foreign students type of PhDs (you look on their website and see their language, you'll get what I mean). Often a JSP can be combined with a JD. This combination is extremely formidable and definitely has much more promising prospects for teaching in the U.S. than the typical LLM + SJD combinations (many JSP graduates from my vague memory who are foreign graduates have taught in U.S. universities after graduation). It might sound too good to be true, but the funding for this is pretty substantial too! Funding is a definite positive of U.S. over UK, where the Graduate Teaching Assistant (GTA) scholarship, which requires you to do a minimal amount of teaching to instruct undergrad students (again one where some unis express preference for UK law graduates because undergraduate UK law students obviously need to learn core modules mainly) is one of the only available options in terms of funding. This is because UK unis are not in the best financial situations currently, as a result of the government's stupid policy implemented over a number of years of keeping undergraduate tuition fees 'capped', i.e., artificially suppressed at, until this year, the amount of £9,250/year (now going up to £9,500/year). The trouble with this fee suppression mechanism has been that the £9,250 amount was implemented as the tuition fee 'cap' in 2012 and hasn't changed, and the raising by £250 is done by the recent Labour government, which doesn't have the balls to raise it by inflation amount because of political backlash. This has meant that many UK unis are actually making losses, and consequently, that their openness to giving funding is limited at best. The U.S. is much better in comparison for a variety of reasons.
However, obviously JSP will not work for everyone. The LLM + SJD combination might work for helping you obtain U.S. work experience (in a law firm setting), which, if you do a lot of, might eventually lead to entry into their academic market becoming a possibility.
Sorry about the long answer, just saying what I know. Hope this helps.
Abroad - LLM+Work Exp+PhD (Higher chances if you have one)
If you want to teach abroad, it's better you do your higher studies abroad. Follow academics who have taken this route, many from the top NLUs are now teaching in Ox+US.
At every stage in life we face problems like this that makes it seem like its the most difficult thing we've had to endure. I'm in the stage before you where I'm constantly looking for jobs, after this I'll get to where you are. Its all a cycle, but the good thing is, it passes with time. Difficulties pass with time making way for new ones. Hang in there, you are not alone.
And perhaps its not you, but it's them?
However give a geniune estimate for your bandwidth and over the long run people will realise that you are geniune. As you grow you will know that it's easy to see who is having bandwidth and who isn't, so beyond a point you can't fool anyone. I have seen even the generally harsh partners who appreciate if you can give them geniune bandwidth estimate because it helps them staff matters better.
That said, the unfortunate reality is somebody who slogs takes on more work and always says yes may be looked upon like a "better" and "hard working" resource. So you'll need to manage your expectations in the short term.
However I can't see how this will not be beneficial in the long run.
I'm a lawyer with 2 years PQE (Core litigation + Corporate).
I have a long term plan of having an independent corporate non litigation practice. As of now I'm working at a good tier 2 firm under a great mentor. Could you please give some tips as to how you'd like me to plan out the next few years? Any tips that you'd give me which you feel would've been helpful had you known at a younger age?
If you're comfortable sharing, as an independent corporate non litigation lawyer, what is the work that you majorly do? Because I've heard from a lot of people that as an independent lawyer you get more of gen corp work and less of transactions work.
Would love to know your story! Thank you :)
4- AZB bom
2- Luthra
Do certifications if necessary but a PG is not a must.
Although I would advise you to experience multiple opportunities in law before zeroing down