Record 270+ budding Bombay solicitors prepare for gruelling Monday test

BILS: Popularity rising?
BILS: Popularity rising?
Around 273 candidates will sit for the latest Bombay solicitors exam on Monday – an increase of 40 per cent as against test takers 18 months ago.

In the last exam in April 2012 roughly around 285 candidates appeared – a new record, while in January 2012 that figure was at only 196, with historical pass rates of only between 2 and 7 per cent.

However, despite the increase in numbers, pass rates have stayed steady at around 6 per cent, explained Bombay Incorporated Law Society (BILS) examiner in charge Dawood Mandviwala.

“It [the numbers] is going on increasing… but we want to maintain the standard,” he said, adding: “Even if a person doesn’t pass, but only appears for the exam, he will be better off. The subject is so vast.”

The exams will begin on Monday (14 October), with subjects being examined on alternate weekdays for two weeks.

Becoming a solicitor in Mumbai requires an articled clerkship under a qualified solicitor for three years, and passing the exam set by the BILS by scoring at least 360 out of 600 possible marks in six different subject papers.

Around 850 budding solicitors are currently undertaking clerkships, said Mandviwala.

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Comments

truth 10 Oct 2013, 12:58
+2 -7
Only meant for people not good enough to get into NLUs. An exam to pick the best of the rest.
BILS 10 Oct 2013, 13:20
+5 -1
[quote name="truth"]Only meant for people not good enough to get into NLUs. An exam to pick the best of the rest.[/quote]

Kindly inform your managing partner to drop the tag of 'solicitor' from his firm name. Please inform us of the name of the firm where you are working.

- BILS
Notarising the truth 10 Oct 2013, 13:24
+2 -5
[quote name="truth"]Only meant for people not good enough to get into NLUs. An exam to pick the best of the rest.[/quote]

So true.. Yet they do not match up to standards. It is just an addition on their CV. Quality does not match up to NLU students.
Fedup 11 Oct 2013, 10:41
+10 -1
I love the way the NLU people always have something to say. I guess empty vessels make the most noise. As a solicitor myself, I would like to say to all the NLU wannabes that sitting an exam as gruelling as the solicitors isnt just a test of law, it is a test of strength and sheer ability to persevere and get through 6 of the toughest months of your life. I guess the difference between the NLU people and the solicitors of this world is the same difference as old money and new money. The 'new moneys' just cant keep their mouths shut whereas the 'old moneys' go about their business quietly without feeling the need to advertise who or what we are. So take your NLU degree and run around with it stuck to your forehead. Some of us dont need to do that.
Blackrobe 14 Oct 2013, 05:28
+0 -1
If we are NLU people, how are we NLU wannabes? There it is, caught you, sneaky solicitor.
Sk 15 Oct 2013, 09:35
+0 -3
30,000 people applied for CLAT 2013. So that makes the success rate of those getting into NLS at 0.26%. NALSAR at 0.53% and so on.

Most people who don't need to run around with their NLU degrees stuck to our foreheads and gloat about not needing to is because they live in an incestuous web of mediocrity (old moneys).
Ganzed and Confused 10 Oct 2013, 13:16
+5 -6
Rightly said. God knows why people inflict so much of pain and misery on themselves and waste couple of years of their natural lives on somthing so utterly useless. Even a few years at ILS law college would get a better paying job. Maybe there is a masochistic streak at work.
V 10 Oct 2013, 14:30
+4 -1
Even though only 4 people clear it this exam is not that tough if you think about it. Only 270 candidates out of whom 200 are rubbish, 60 are average, 5 are decent, 5 are good. So the odds of a good student clearing it are 80%. Piece of cake.
Exam taker 10 Oct 2013, 14:52
+3 -1
Those who haven't ever appeared or given the exam, have no right to comment. It's like someone from non n school saying that n schools are all trashy. Obviously, if you haven't attended n school you can't comment on the level of teaching. Similarly if you haven't given the exam, you should keep your trap shut.

Apart from the fact that BILS is not run in a very organised manner, giving the exam and studying for it, surely makes a difference to your skills as a lawyer, at least i can personally vouch for that.
Just Confused 10 Oct 2013, 19:01
+5 -4
So you are saying tht if a 100 fools jump off a cliff I have no right to say they're stupid because Ive never tried jumping off cliffs???

Frankly the 'solicitor' tag gives next to no benefit and it takes away precious years of an aspiring solicitor. So putting in effort into this is plain silly
Exam taker 10 Oct 2013, 20:28
+6 -1
Firstly, I have a question, are you a solicitor? Since you say with such confidence that the exam gives no benefit?

Secondly, if I draw an analogy to your jumping from a cliff example, I am confused, are you saying that people who give a tough law school entrance and make it to premium law schools like nls are stupid because they did not select going to a simple law school that does not require entrance exam? And because you went to some xyz law school and didnt waste your time sitting for the entrance exam, you are smart?
randomanonymous 11 Oct 2013, 06:11
+2 -4
@ exam taker, are you from GLC?
Exam taker 11 Oct 2013, 08:47
+2 -0
Logic of asking?
Ganzed and Confused 11 Oct 2013, 13:24
+0 -0
[quote name="Exam taker"]Firstly, I have a question, are you a solicitor? Since you say with such confidence that the exam gives no benefit?

Secondly, if I draw an analogy to your jumping from a cliff example, I am confused, are you saying that people who give a tough law school entrance and make it to premium law schools like nls are stupid because they did not select going to a simple law school that does not require entrance exam? And because you went to some xyz law school and didnt waste your time sitting for the entrance exam, you are smart?[/quote]

i was only replying to the earlier comment that people who have never attempted the solicitor exam should not comment on it. if that were true, newspapers would largely be out of business, law students would be barred from writing any project and Kian would have to wind up this website.

People who do not give CLAT may call it stupid or great, I have no issue with their doing so despite not having given it.
Exam taker 10 Oct 2013, 14:56
+1 -0
Kian, you may also want to highlight out of 273, how many are first timers and how many are repeating it?

Because 273 first timers is definitely not the case.

Btw, good luck to all who are appearing.
Lawyer 10 Oct 2013, 17:02
+6 -0
i will also be interested to know how many pass outs are children of Bombay Solicitors.
ok 11 Oct 2013, 03:34
+3 -4
useless exam by a useless body struggling to stay relevant and living in denial.
AC 11 Oct 2013, 06:11
+6 -4
I once had the opportunity to close a deal with a Bombay based party who had hired Solicitors for legal advice. While working with 2 Bombay Sols on a transaction, I have referred to their redlining of SHA and SSA. They could have done more to protect their clients through anti-dilution clauses. Their understanding of the aftermath of a transaction was shallow and lacked the analysis of business perspective which is very important.

PS: I am not from any NLU.
Non AC 11 Oct 2013, 10:25
+7 -2
AC, please also tell us your experience with all other non-solicitor lawyers. Were they all of the same standard and upto the mark? I'm quite sure they were not.

Firstly, if you see the syllabus for solicitors, it has almost nothing to do with transactional law practice. So saying that their SSA and SHA mark-up was substandard is like saying a general practitioner doctor's surgery skills weren't great.

Secondly, substandard drafting and transactional skills are seen even in the N school grads. These skills come more from experience and aptitude than based on law school or solicitor's qualification
AC 14 Oct 2013, 06:14
+0 -1
[quote name="Non AC"]AC, please also tell us your experience with all other non-solicitor lawyers. Were they all of the same standard and upto the mark? I'm quite sure they were not.

Firstly, if you see the syllabus for solicitors, it has almost nothing to do with transactional law practice. So saying that their SSA and SHA mark-up was substandard is like saying a general practitioner doctor's surgery skills weren't great.

Secondly, substandard drafting and transactional skills are seen even in the N school grads. These skills come more from experience and aptitude than based on law school or solicitor's qualification[/quote]

What I am trying to say is that being a solicitor doesn't make any difference to clients these days. It's not that solicitors are bad in transactional practice or non-sols good in transactions. I think the purpose of studying this huge syllabus and passing the tough exam is to provide a substantial value addition to the clients. If that is missing then its a futile exercise IMO. And yes, I think its extremely important for a solicitor to be a good documentation lawyer and transactions definitely cater to documentations followed by negotiations.
Solicitor 4 Dec 2019, 04:06
+0 -0
Possible that the solicitor would have asked his client if they want an anti-dilution clause in the investment agreement and the investor would have taken a commercial call to not ask for anti-dilution protection because of the negotiation dynamics. Let's not get into a dick measuring contest. Bottomline is that a trained solicitor is well equiped and highly skilled and is as good as (if not more) a lawyer graduating from a premier law school.
BILS 11 Oct 2013, 14:26
+3 -1
Aint Cyril Shroff (one of the Shroff brothers) a Solicitor - can he / they mark up a document well enough? Further, arent you earning money of them and not bringing in a single client the way they are. Being on the rolls and thinking you are them is living in a 'your' paradise.

If yes, I rest my case and you can shut your base.
AC 15 Oct 2013, 11:10
+0 -1
Cyril is not a Solicitor. If you take Zia for that matter, she is also not a Solicitor.
Guest 16 Oct 2013, 06:34
+2 -0
[quote name="AC"]Cyril is not a Solicitor. If you take Zia for that matter, she is also not a Solicitor.[/quote]
I can prove you wrong that none of the Shroff brothers are Solicitors. Why are you lying?

Kian - there is a book of Solicitors which contain their name.
full disclosure - lawschoolite 16 Oct 2013, 05:45
+4 -1
Thats not true - both Cyril and Shardul are toppers of the Bombay Sols which they passed with record marks - However they in all their wisdom also prefer law schoolites - that must be an indication. Actually it doesnt matter. Its just that law schoolites have a headstart which ppl from GLC and other general colleges try to make up by get the solicitor tag. And 2 other things - 1. the usage of the term "solicitor" is not anybody's fiefdom - its an english term which means lawyers who do not advocate in court and actually describe most corporate lawyers. If you suffer from the miisconception that usage of the term is based on passing an exam by a prvate archaic body you are sadly mistaken; and 2. it is a well established fact that most ppl who pass the sols are kids of bombay sols who somehow get access to the papers - not saying that is the rule - but it is quite rampant.
BA, LLB 26 Oct 2013, 19:38
+4 -0
Oh God! These lawschoolites....they do take themselves too seriously. Since the BILS is a tough exam to pass, denigrate the exam, and the guys who take it - and now, even the guys who conduct it.

If the BILS is a private archaic body, why give a toss and rant here - every year? Why the need to get off your high horse?

Come on, just because you took the CLAT and went to a law school while the hoi polloi went to a law college, naturally you think you are smarter than the rest!

Such wishful thinking. CLAT still does not attract the best and the brightest India produces. And we are not even counting the engineering and medical types.

Hundreds prefer to go to really elite, legendary institutions like St Stephen's College, Presidency College, St Xavier's college, Sri Ram College of Commerce, Lady Shriram College - and later do an LLB from Campus Law Centre or GLC. And these lawyers are more likely to have a greater grasp of the issue at hand, and much wider range of thinking.

That's why the magic circle and white shoe firms routinely prefer guys (and girls) with non-legal background and make them take a conversion test so that qualify for enrollment.

BTW, Lord Denning, arguably the finest legal mind of the 20th century - graduated in Maths!
Guest 9 Apr 2015, 00:12
+0 -1
People who have written all correct are also given marks in 50's. Answer papers are not disclosed. Students are not informed about revaluation results and are made to appear again and again though the answers are correct. After 6 attempts you have to answer all 6 subjects again.There is no model answer sheet. It actually is meant for Solicitors children as their children score distinction How? needs to be investigated by a separate body independent and governed by Ministry of education