At cosy ministry meet, SILF’s Bhasin, Sagar, Saraf press Indian lawyer hiring ban again for Phase 1 of liberalisation, INBA disagrees

Silf continues raising Indian-lawyer hiring issue in lib talks, INBA disagrees
Silf continues raising Indian-lawyer hiring issue in lib talks, INBA disagrees

At a smaller meeting called by the commerce ministry on 1 September with legal industry stakeholders, including Society of Indian Law Firms (Silf), the Indian National Bar Association (INBA) and Bar Association of India (BAOI), the three Silf members present reiterated their position that foreign law firms, if they were to enter India, shouldn’t be allowed to hire Indian lawyers.

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Silf chairman Lalit Bhasin and senior Silf members Mohit Saraf (the senior partner of Luthra & Luthra) and Jyoti Sagar (the now part-retired founder of J Sagar Associates (JSA)) were at the meeting for Silf.

Also in attendance was Bar Association of India (BAOI) president Prashant Kumar, who had also been at previous meetings such as the much bigger one in July that included Bar Council of India (BCI) and law minister.

(Bhasin had incidentally been Kumar’s predecessor at the BAI, having been appointed BAOI president in September 2016; the BAOI website, which does not appear to have been updated in several years, still lists Bhasin general secretary of the organisation, while Kumar is listed as associate general secretary).

The third group present at the 1 September meeting was INBA. INBA secretary general Kaviraj Singh and INBA member and TechLegis founder Salman Waris both recounted that the three Silf members pressed the issue of banning foreign firms hiring Indian lawyers.

Singh said: “They are vehement, and are strongly opposing that foreign law firms hire Indian lawyers”, noting that Bhasin, Sagar and Saraf had all made the point.

Silf chairman Bhasin commented: “We have already made our position that it has to be done in phases. First phase is internal reforms, coupled with opening of legal services sector that you allow them to come and practice law of their own jursidiction.”

“Internal reforms will not take time,” added Bhasin. “There is only BCI, which has to amend certain rules.”

Bhasin noted that, in a softening of its initial proposals, Silf had now “combined the first and second phase into one”, though the “first phase will not permit foreign lawyers to engage Indian lawyers”, according to Silf.

“After the first phase is done it will lead to second phase of limited participation of Indian lawyers by foreign lawyer,” he said.

Bhasin said that the commerce secretary and Silf were “on completely the same wavelength”.

INBA disagrees, thinks foreign firms should hire Indian lawyers

The INBA members present on 1 September disagreed with Bhasin and the Silf delegation analysis.

“I said,” explained Singh, “foreign law firms are already hiring Indian qualified lawyers but are practising in Singapore and rendering opinions.”

Waris said he also responded to the Silf members at the meeting by asking why foreign law firms should not be allowed to hire Indian lawyers here in India, if in any case foreign law firms are already hiring Indian lawyers to work abroad advising on Indian transactions.

Waris had made a similar point in response to the same argument by Silf in July’s larger meeting with the law minister, which also included the Bar Council of India (BCI).

We put that same question to Bhasin by phone today, who said: “If they’re doing it they [foreign firms] are doing it for their own personal practice you see - to promote their work. If the law of that jursidiction permits that - but our law does not permit that.”

According to Waris and Singh, members of the Silf delegation then followed up with the point that Indian law firms had not hired any foreign lawyers, so why should foreign law firms be hiring Indian lawyers.

Waris said he then pointed out a counter-example of Link Legal India Law Services having been reported to have hired a former Pinsent Masons senior partner only the previous day.

(There are also several more examples that we have reported in previous years on Legally India, such as AZB in 2014, Amarchand and Khaitan & Co, IndusLaw in 2015).

Ball in ministry’s court?

Traditionally, one of the top concerns of some top Indian law firms’ promoters about liberalisation has been that foreign law firms would cherry-pick from the valuable senior second layer of partners from domestic firms.

We have reached out to Sagar and Saraf for comment about Silf’s rationale to preventing foreign law firms from hiring local lawyers.

Saraf declined to comment.

Sagar did not want to comment on the content of the meeting, saying: “I can’t talk to that - it’s up to [commerce secretary] Sudhanshu Pandey.”

Sagar denied that Silf had any remaining “sticking points” (such as the hiring of local lawyers) but said only several issues remained, noting “there is ongoing discussion”, and that the Silf position was no different than its originally published proposal.

That Silf paper from August 2016 had suggested three-phased gradual approach to liberalisation, which Bhasin had earlier separately said could take five to seven years, though as reported Bhasin is now open to a condensed schedule of only two phases.

“SILF, we see this in a very holistic way: there are several points of discussion, and different viewpoints: the consensus has to be built,” said Sagar.

According to a follow-up from the ministry sent after the meeting, the following action points resulted from the meeting with a deadline of 20 September:

a) Stakeholders to provide comments and inputs on the issues discussed in the meeting. Also, it is requested to suggest precise elements which needs to be addressed in this regard along with the roadmap/timelines.

b) BAI is requested to provide documentation on liberalisation processes in Asia-Pacific region.

c) SILF/BAI is requested to provide details on the BRICS legal forum.

d) DOC to prepare a paper on reforms in legal services in consultation with stakeholders.

Comments

Guest 22 Sept 2017, 15:12
+8 -3
Ridiculous that this is still dragging on with such moronic arguments, and our useless law minister does nothing. This government has a huge majority but has not enacted a single major economic reform (GST was a Congress-era reform which the BJP had actually stalled).
Guest 22 Sept 2017, 20:12
+14 -0
If you really want to do something about it then now is the time. Write or tweet to PM copying law and commerce ministers about the tardy progress and the ministers playing into the hands of a particular lobby!
No point complaining about it on LI
Bhakt 23 Sept 2017, 02:04
+7 -9
This is what happens when you keep on ranting without full facts. Do you know the issues which were ironed out before GST was passed? What about the other legislations like RERA or The Insolvency Code? What about the numerous executive reforms? Half knowledge should always be condemned
Modi hater 23 Sept 2017, 05:22
+12 -5
You truly are a blind bhakt. The economy is in tatters thanks to Modi and Jaitley, Modi has appointed incompetent RSS people as ministers and CMs like Khattar and Adityanath, yet you defend BJP and Modi.
I know you 24 Sept 2017, 11:59
+8 -10
Why dont you stick to your anti modi rants on Facebook.
Comrade 26 Sept 2017, 10:19
+2 -5
Agree. FB is a better platform- at least we can ignore you and your "comradic" agenda!
Bhakt 25 Sept 2017, 17:52
+3 -7
Again, your half knowledge doesnt help. Why are Khattar and Yogi incompetent? Give some facts before ranting aimlessly.
interalia 2 Oct 2017, 12:34
+1 -0
What a lame & false excuse to somehow scuttle(again) liberalization, so clearly you are part of the gang called SELFISH Indian Law Firms (SILF) with Bhasin as front face, obviously funded by Shardul of CAM, Rajiv of Luthra, Cyril of CAM, Jyoti of JSA, Zia of AZB etc.

Do you ever bother to think about Clients (yes, the same set of Species who pay your retainership!), they want to be advised by world class law firms specially for cross border PE/M&A. stop crying like a looser, Shape up or ship out!!!
Ask the horse 23 Sept 2017, 04:57
+25 -1
Care to ask the Indian lawyers for once, if they should be allowed to work for foreign law firms?
Yo 23 Sept 2017, 07:00
+19 -0
Absolutely. How can these 3-4 people decide that Indian lawyers will not be hired in the first phase by firang firms? Who gave them the mandate of scuttling the chances of thousands of Indian lawyers? Why is the ministry even listening to them?
Despacito 23 Sept 2017, 07:02
+13 -2
Separately, good work Kian & team in rigorously following this up updating the legal world as it unfolds
Guest 23 Sept 2017, 06:29
+12 -0
While one can still understand the complain about internal reforms (advertising, et al. which are anyways being done by Indian law firms), the demand that foreign law firms do not hire Indian lawyers is plain ridiculous .... the sole aim is to preserve fiefdoms...
interalia 23 Sept 2017, 08:41
+16 -4
[b]Modi, Commerce Ministry and even BJP do NOT have the GUTS to challenge the might of Shroffs - Cyril and Shardul Amarchand, Zia of AZB, Jyoti of J. Sagar, Rajiv of Luthra etc. Bhasin is [...] deployed as a front face by Selfish Indian Law Firms (SILF). These Mighty and selfish protectionists will always come will silly excuses to stop liberalization.

Law in US/UK/Singapore and even China allows global law firms to operate, but not India even though Indian law firms are allowed to operate in US/UK/Singapore/Dubai etc.

Its very clear, who suffers Indian citizens who are lawyers, who gains from this vested interest...of course the mighty Selfish Indian Law Firms (SILF)!!![/b]
Guest 23 Sept 2017, 12:05
+11 -3
Bullshit Modi govt.

Bullshit law minister.

Three years, single-party Lok Sabha majority, and you still cannot enact such reforms.

Just good for cow politics and religious politics, nothing else.
demonitization 23 Sept 2017, 14:04
+2 -6
This government means business.
Exploited Associate 23 Sept 2017, 18:47
+14 -2
These people will have to Shell out a lot more and lose profits to retain good talent. Now they can afford to pay a pittance to us. It may sound fancy and huge, but really mate, you're getting a pittance. And they are pocketing the huge margins and profit. At the same time so many small churn and burn sweat shops operate under fancy brand names with totally unprofessional management and egotistic megalomaniacal donkeyhats on top. At this rate I'll be quitting corp practice in 6 months. My life and education has been a waste.

What other reason is there to stop the hiring? I am open to learning.

On a side note. India qualified lawyers without international qualifications are the most unwanted lot around the world.
SELF 25 Sept 2017, 18:03
+2 -0
Indian law firms should also insist ministry that such foreign law firms opening office in India should not keep companies act or Indian law in their office, should not interact with Indian companies specially marwadi companies or foreign companies not belonging to their countries. FL should be allowed to assist companies from their city only and they should refer companies from other jurisdictions to our big Indian law firms. Only then they should be allowed open office in India. These Indian law firms are the same persons who are happy to assist foreign investors in other subjects but when it is their turn trying to put irrelevant hurdles.
Undemocratic Opinion 25 Sept 2017, 18:19
+8 -2
1. Who has appointed Bhasin, Sagar and Saraf to speak on behalf of all lawyers in India?
2. Was there an election in which these people were elected?
3. How is it that a undemocratic private organisation gets to sit-in on these discussions? Why is the ministry indulging these protectionist personalities by listening to them. All they care about is bank-rolling themselves to their graves. It seemed Sagar was cut from a different cloth - democratic partnership at JSA and all such- but clearly he is as much a protectionist as any other law firm promoter. Pathetic!
4. Some of these people (especially L&L) are misleading their own people by speaking in different tongues inside the firm and doing a volte face in meetings with the Commerce Ministry.
5. The Commerce and Law ministry and the relevant bureaucrats and ministers must see through the law firm promoters crafty agenda.
6. When senior partners say one thing and do the opposite- its their ethics and intentions that become questionable. Wake up, guys!
Old Lawyer 26 Sept 2017, 04:24
+4 -0
The main reason why SILF representatives seemed worried is that foreign law firms will cherry-pick senior associates from top law firms. Doesn't this provide junior associates an opportunity to grow? I am sure there is a lot of talent among the new generation of lawyers and they deserve better opportunities to be successful in this super-competitive world.
Baby Lawyer 27 Sept 2017, 10:47
+1 -0
What about a referendum? All the lawyers should be allowed to vote on this! Why only industry heavy weights represent the entire community when they care only for their business and not the 'lawyer' community? MY FIRST DAMN COMMENT ON LI YAY!!!!