Aunty & Uncle: Can worried, non-elite law schoolite get corporate law job without legal godfather?

He can offer you a law firm job you can't refuse
He can offer you a law firm job you can't refuse
Dear Aunty & Uncle. I am a fourth year from a lesser-known law school in Delhi, which has no placement committee, and my parents have no legal background. How can I get a corporate law job?

He can offer you a law firm job you can't refuse
He can offer you a law firm job you can't refuse
Dear Aunty & Uncle. I am a fourth year student from a lesser-known law school of New Delhi. My college doesn’t have any provision for placement. I am focusing more on internships: apart from being a learning experience I am hoping these internships help me in getting noticed by the employers - or at least at the end of the day my CV looks presentable.

I am really worried about my future which doesn’t look promising.

I want to be a corporate lawyer but do you think I will be able to be one? Do you think any employer will be interested to recruit me? Keeping in mind that I don’t come from an elite law school, which is a deciding factor during the recruitment process. Kindly guide me, thank you.

Ps: My parents are not in legal service of any kind.

Aunty: Beta, bagging a corporate law job is partly about being in the right place at the right time.

First off, your CV is not the most important determinant of your destiny if you hail from a lesser-known law school. That can be a good thing. Accept this, and look forward.

Many students might see jugaad as a dirty word. It is not, once you call it ‘networking’. ‘Networking’ oils the gears of the professional world, and if you are a great networker, you will be successful. That I guarantee you.

Focusing on internships is a good idea. You need to use these internships to learn more practical law, beef up your CV and be noticed by partners (or seniors) – keep in touch with them gently after you finish your internship.

Also internships are a great way of finding out about recruitment opportunities ‘the network’ of friends, internees or any other contacts you make. The bigger your network, the more likely that there is only one or two people that connect you to the job you actually want.

But be realistic and flexible about the job you start with. It may lie anywhere from Tier 1 to 25 of the corporate law firm universe, start-ups or government departments.

And don’t you dare make a face about the latter! You have to start somewhere, beta, and if you are truly talented and passionate about being a corporate lawyer you will use your first job as a stepping stone to greater things.

This also goes for final year internships. While reaching for moon is admirable, be smart about choosing your ‘pre-placement’ internship. Research and go for the younger firms which are still open to hiring experiments, instead of the pickiest, where the pre-placement offer (PPO) rat-race is in its final lap.

Only once you’ve networked, does your CV start to really matter. Make sure you have top grades, relevant and top publications and other extra-curricular achievements.

Also, use paper presentations to take you to conferences and will take you full circle to networking heaven!

Don’t make the rookie error of just listing on your CV any old internet self-published article or conference you may have attended, trying to mask the lack of pedigree of your college – no one will be impressed or fooled.

Finally, exercise patience. There are maybe only around 100 big-city law firms, from big to small, as against thousands of corporate law aspirants, many from the national law schools.

It may take time, even up to six months after you graduate, but your corporate law job will come around.

In the meantime, work overtime to perfect your legal skills, CV and interview skills. The best time to start is now. Don’t procrastinate!

Uncle: Listen. Being completely honest, your odds of making it into a half-decent firm are slim, if not nil, unless you can find a distant relative who runs a law firm. Or do any of your relatives work in government or big companies? Ask them if they know any lawyers whom they can pressure into giving you a job.

If all else fails, get a haircut, new clothes and marry into a legal family: many are looking for eligible in-laws.

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Comments

IPLawyer 20 Feb 2012, 11:23
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I agree with most of the views. Just like to add a personal advice-while applying for internships, try aiming for internship for six months since this longer duration helps you get the 'real' practical experience. I was the same position as you are, the best thing i did was to get an internship with a lawyer for a year during my final year. I didn't get placed with the college placements but when i applied on my own, I got into one of the recognized law firms. Hope this helps you and a lot more in the future.
From Facebook 20 Feb 2012, 11:34
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one may appreciate all that stuff only when one knows the meaning of job and kinds of employment as explained in any basic book of economics. As i know without godfather u can get employment even if u belong to non-elite law school ....but not a job!!!!
GLCite 20 Feb 2012, 12:32
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Kian - can we make these Aunty and Uncle columns a daily thing? It's so much fun to read these columns and yet so insightful! Please convince Aunty and Uncle to respond to such queries on a daily basis!
kianganz 21 Feb 2012, 05:15
+4 -1
Sure, would love to - please send us your questions anonymously and we'll have Aunty & Uncle have a look at them.

Best,
Kian
Puzzled 20 Feb 2012, 12:50
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Why call national law schools elite? Selection to these schools happens through a competitive test and no particular class is favored! Kids who get into these schools work hard to get there. On many occasions, kids from financially poor backgrounds have secured admission as well - as far as I know, no one has been turned out for the reason that they couldn't afford the fees. Either a fee waiver is given or a bank loan is arranged. Yes, all is not right with the national law schools but be that as it may, some of these schools (esp NLS, Nalsar and NUJS) continue to make their students work harder than other law colleges in India.
Yeah whatever ... 22 Feb 2012, 02:35
+4 -0
How many poor students can even dream of taking the CLAT, given that lawschool education costs about 10 lakhs?
Delhi Lawyer 20 Feb 2012, 13:16
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It really becomes difficult for a non-NLU student to crack the nut in such cases because, their colleges don't have good placement cells. Otherwise, I haven't seen much difference in their level of performance as compared to NLU kids when it comes to internship.
You-know-who 4 Mar 2012, 17:54
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I totally agree. If only there was a good enough placement cell in my college, I too would have been able to get into a decent law firm. I've had far too many bitter experiences with these law firm people. I got pretty good grades and did internships as well. One of the firms was a top IPR firm. But despite that, during interviews they(the other firm ppl) wanted to know which law college I came from. The moment they got to know its a non-NLU, they'd make a face and thats it..Its all over.

Many of my friends kept mailing their CVs to these firms but never received a single call for an interview. I mean what's with the brand name? You call the candidate once and assess if he/she is good enough to join your firm or not. Its not just the NLU ppl who work hard. We worked hard too to score well in our exams and like other 2010 NLU grads, passed the AIBE. So what is it that they know and we don't?
abhi 20 Feb 2012, 15:11
+7 -0
I simply love the Uncle's opinion !!
In House Counsel 21 Feb 2012, 09:19
+3 -0
Dammit! Missed out on the "marry into equity" bus! :(
legally yours 21 Feb 2012, 05:56
+2 -4
I belong from a non-natnl law school.final yr. yes, i've got my dad,sr.adv & a visiting lecturer in one top law school.he's gt enough contacts to get me a job or employment whch i shld say enugh to fetch my daily roti, kapda & maakan.but to all my frnds frm all the so called non-elite law schools..trust me, dnt give up or feel inferior. I'm ryt nw awaitng my offr lettr frm one of the largest corporate in the world ! yes, it's true, in the world i said;and to be honest I've nvr evr used my dad's help!! wat aunty said is vry ryt.you have to have a hawk's eye for the ryt opportunities.i gt mine whn i visited a cnference in mumbai, whr I met Kian and also this person frm the company who was kind enough to give a training opportunity. All that you should have in mind is that, the day we join any non-ntn'l law school, we are in competition with the best young talents of the country..and rest all depends on how you shape up yourself. yes, students frm natnl law schools does have the added advantage of an organized placement cell or committee, but hey ! wat the heck ! does that mean we are anyway non-elite!!
Legally Mine 21 Feb 2012, 19:28
+15 -0
Dear Legally Yours,

Please learn to type.

Sincerely,
Can't understand a word of what you've written.
Delhi lawyer 21 Feb 2012, 08:51
+1 -0
You belong to, not belong from !
Legally interested 6 Apr 2012, 13:06
+11 -0
Oh, most certainly he belongs 'from' .... his father, who is a Senior Advocate and a visiting Lecturer. Despite that he claims to be astonished that he got an offer from the 'largest corporate in the world'! Must be joining the Italian mafia :-)
as it happens.. 21 Feb 2012, 10:09
+3 -0
Anyone who thinks 'marry into equity' is an option for a no-name, is dreaming.

It is a dream i too share.

All of us will be equally unsuccessful.
Not if you a girl 5 Sept 2013, 02:43
+3 -0
:-)
well wisher 23 Feb 2012, 10:10
+1 -1
I think kids from other law schools should realise that they also have quite a few advantages especially when it comes to internships. Most of you have the time by not attending classes and being flexible. Not ot mention there are lower expectations which you can easily overcome and make an impression.
Young lawyer 23 Feb 2012, 10:45
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the saddest part is when you are not given an oppurtunity for internship by a good firm and lawyers..coz u are from a non-elite law school despite of your capabilty...!!1
Young lawyer 23 Feb 2012, 10:47
+3 -0
it is really disheartening for a student when despite of having the capabilty ..he/she is not given an oppurtunity of internship because you're not frrom an elite institute...
You-know-who 4 Mar 2012, 17:59
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[quote name="Young lawyer"]it is really disheartening for a student when despite of having the capabilty ..he/she is not given an oppurtunity of internship because you're not frrom an elite institute...[/quote]

I truly understand that feeling since I've been at the receiving end of those disheartening and annoyingly polite "sorry-there's-no-vacancy-as-of-now" replies from a few top law firms. Worse, no matter how many times you apply for internships, you never receive any reply from them.
Me again 23 Feb 2012, 13:40
+10 -0
Uncle... will aunty like me with a new haircuit, good clothes and a dimple?
Biswadeep, ILS Law College 8 Apr 2012, 09:05
+0 -0
True Story...
P R 16 May 2012, 09:16
+1 -1
hii

I completed my LLB in 2008 and i worked for one and a half years and after that i was on a sabbatical.now its getting hard to be back to work? what should i do?and Pursuong MBL course will enhance my career?

Reply soon
Tough for Non-NLU 11 Apr 2013, 16:18
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Its just too tough to get back to work. I took a sabbatical as well. Now there's a gap of 2 years on my resume. It feels wrong to lie about it. I graduated from a non-NLU law school and on top of that a sabbatical. Now the firms ignore my Job applications even more and those recruitment agencies who call, first thing they want to know is why the gap. It just gets so difficult to explain since I know the recruiters are NOT interested in knowing why I took the break. They only have LPO jobs to offer, which I don't want.

Networking is the only option. I guess even if you're on a break and now wish to get back to work, if you have contacts who'd help you out despite your personal reasons for the break, then you're lucky. I am new in this profession too, do not have many contacts and worst of all, I have a problem asking people for work. It feels so awkward. But I know, its the only way I can get back to work and somehow I am slowly learning how to deal with it.
Optimus 26 Jan 2014, 07:30
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Hi

Yes it is tough for non-law school graduate to get an opportunity in corporate law as there is a massive gap between academic and industry interface as far as the corporate sector is concerned in these colleges.Traditional law schools(TLS) or colleges do nothing to reduce this gap as a result of which it is the students who suffers the most and at last give up his/her career in law and do trivial jobs where LLB is not at all required.Even maximum of these colleges do not even communicate the importance of internship during college days rather they often stress on the fact that the real life of a lawyer starts after getting the law degree and after that they shed their responsibilities leaving the student all alone that even result in a sabbatical period.
As a result of which even if they crack AIBE they still remain law graduates left with little option in their life to pursue ie litigation which require maximum time to suceed.It is also a fact that most of this stories are unheard and the watchdog of this profession ie BCI just remain a spectator.

The curriculum is not at all updated nor the teaching methodology is upgraded rather they prefer guide books or notes for teaching.Not only that, COMPUTER which has become inevitable in our life is not included in the syllabus whereas NLS has included it in their syllabus.

Days are coming when students will never choose these traditional law colleges for legal education and prefer NLS as nowadays law aspirants are smart enough to get law school rankings rather than references, after all they do not want to compromise with their career and life as it is evident from the facts that how wards of senior advocates opt for NLS than TLS from where their parents have their law degrees.

Moreover ,it is a glittering fact that most popular advocates of our country are from TLS which is interesting.You will be amazed to know that I have done a little research work about some top most law firms and found out that maximum of the law firms Founders or Managing partners are from TLS but still prefer NLS buddies when it comes for recruitment.It seems that they have forgot their alma matter or like to forget it.If this is not true then they should give a chance to prove TLS graduates to prove their worthiness after all working in a firm is respectful but it is not a sarkari naukri that is backed up by job security.

Regarding entering into Corporate law practice it will be wise to upgrade oneself according to the needs of the Companies or MNC.Observe carefully what a company wants from a lawyer apart from litigation then only you will be in demand.If possible try to have a chat with some executives and sort out the matter or even involve yourself with some courses related to corporate laws.Finally always remember

"RISE AND RISE AGAIN,
UNTIL LAMBS BECOMES LIONS "-------ANGLO SAXON PROVERB

Which means NEVER GIVE UP.
Nikhil Rajpurohit 3 Nov 2012, 09:30
+0 -0
A must read for non-elite law schoolite like me. That uncle part was really cool.
piku 22 Mar 2013, 09:49
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uncle is awesome. his last advise suffice all purpose