Careers Counsel on how not to network: M glad2knw datU R in ma Linkedin ntwrk

In an effort to eradicate bad cover letters and job applications, we will occasionally be featuring the worst of the emails and approaches we receive. All identifiable details have been redacted or replaced. Please forward any other gems and we will select the best of the worst. Comments are welcome.

Subject: Hi

Hello… M glad2knw dat U R in ma Linkedin ntwrk…actually v R of same profession,m doing ma law in business laws from NLU [Harvard] and ofcourse U R too from similar background…may b it can be helpfull for ny future legal upcuming events for both of us…so frankly speaking I just want to b in contact wid U and like2add U on Facebook too plzz add me dare…here is ma ID of FB with ma contact no… […]@gmail.com Mob.no: 00000000000(call me if necessary) Will b waiting4ur response

Comments

trinity 30 Sept 2012, 06:33
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That's hilarious!
Abhimanyu.Chopra 30 Sept 2012, 07:29
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HAHAHAHA...
Disgusted 30 Sept 2012, 07:39
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This is nothing short of a witch-hunt of those who haven't had as privileged an education as you. His grammar may be faulty but that doesn't warrant this sort of public humiliation. And your having redacted identifiable details doesn't change the fact that it is deeply embarrassing on a personal level. How about we be more constructive in our advice to people instead of going out of our way to ridicule them.

Absolutely pathetic elitist behaviour.
Really?! 30 Sept 2012, 14:22
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Well, I don't detect a lack of 'privileged education' as you say, in the SMS language s/he used in the message.

And I agree it's hard learning, but you'd agree too that illustration is the best form of counsel in some cases.

We all know what happens to these emails. Far from serving their purpose, they are usually exchanged between colleagues for cheap amusement at the cost of the sender.

I think redacting his name and taking the closed-door-giggle-exchange to a wider audience, to demonstrate just what in reality happens to the sender's message, is the best favour LI could've done him without causing him public embarrassment.
Confused Zeus Says . . . . 30 Sept 2012, 17:29
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While I tended to concur with Disgusted on first reading his post, overall, I disagree that putting up a redacted version is either pathetic or elitist. Disgusted is concerned about the humiliation that the original author may have felt. Point taken. But come to think of it, it is precisely this kind of jolt received that is going to spur him or her to send a far improved draft next time around. I'm sure he/she can write better if he/she chooses to. In a professional environment, such drafting will never take you anywhere. The sooner such realization dawns, the better. Kian is actually helping people get crucial insights by putting up such posts and jolting them out of comfort zones. He may make enemies through this approach. But come to think of it, Kian is actually helping someone change for the better, because such "humiliation" will only have a positive impact on a person. If we look back into our lives, all of us have learned many things the hard way.
Traumatised 30 Sept 2012, 07:49
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Highly pathetic elitist behavior, LI! Didn't expect this kind of counseling- too direct!
Legal Ladi 30 Sept 2012, 09:26
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[quote name="Traumatised"]Highly pathetic elitist behavior, LI! Didn't expect this kind of counseling- too direct![/quote]

I agree, to be more precise, typical NLS Bangalore reaction.
Blaskowicz 1 Oct 2012, 11:18
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You must be joking. Where is such rubbish acceptable as a letter of application? This kid needs to be told in no uncertain terms that he has made a mistake, and how to correct it. Its only unfortunate that his institute hasnt told him that this isnt how you write a letter. Question of elitism doesnt arise. How do you know the writer of this drivel is underprivileged?
Mohit Singh 30 Sept 2012, 08:52
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[quote]Will b waiting4ur response[/quote]

Is she/he still waiting for your response?
I Troll Demons 30 Sept 2012, 12:56
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Everyone learns, given enough time. Ridicule might not be the best way to bring it to their notice.

The english system of pedigree has been wholly adopted in India. Hopefully, we'll see that change in due course of time, but right now, that is the exact direction things are headed in.
truth shall out 1 Oct 2012, 06:43
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The "system of pedigree" is a recognised Indian export having survived the test of time and we reject any accusations to the contrary.
whatup 30 Sept 2012, 13:12
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This ain't about privilege, it's about national law schools apparently not even teaching that spknglykdis is not acceptable as a lawyer in writing no matter what your level of English or privilege.
Green lantern 30 Sept 2012, 14:22
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For those claiming elitism, would this be acceptable in a formal client-lawyer context? Or in legal drafting? When did this forum claim to be 'inclusive' in the pseudo-sense of the term (incidentally this word is invariably overused in wrong contexts by those in India gunning for UK Third World scholarships to , ironically, elitist institutes). When writing to an unfamiliar contact ostensibly for potential conferences, this letter shows poor judgment rather than poor education. Details have been redacted so there is no humiliation.
kianganz 30 Sept 2012, 18:24
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Dear All

Thank you for your comments and feedback.

No offence was meant and I regret if any serious embarrassment has been caused to the original author.

But this embarrassment is nothing compared to the damage that'd be done if that person kept sending the same email to others (and I know that it has been sent to at least 2 people, leading me to believe it is a canned email).

I have let the person also know personally that this kind of email communication will hinder rather than help them in their career.

We did not publish this post to humiliate that person.

The reason we published this post was because

1. We receive dozens of similar emails.
2. Despite previous Careers Counsel columns we've run (some of which also poked fun at badly-worded cover letters), and repeated links to it, as well as sites such as Lawctopus and others repeating the point to communicate with a modicum of professionalism, somehow it doesn't seem to stick.
3. This reminds and possibly helps others that this kind of communication might be funny but that it is not cool (and perhaps some may hear this point for the first time, since it was never told to them before).
4. This is a greater problem with teenagers not just in India, who simply get used to using such communication over phones and start treating emails the same (god this makes me sound old!)
5. It is just a little bit of fun (admittedly not in the best of taste, but justified because it's for the greater good).

Hope that clarifies matters, but happy to take people's feedback on board.

Best wishes,
Kian
Guest 1 May 2013, 03:51
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I am rather amused at the methodology. You will never be able to cover the incorrect forms of communication. Would expect more maturity and witness publishing of how a communication should be rather than what is being proposed. I am sure you wont publish if but would expect more wise publication rather than a college group pass time publication. No matter what heights you may have scaled but the first thing is to remain humble and not look down upon others. Trust me that punctuations in your email are not proper but that does not mean we ridicule such things. If you really want to teach the young generation about professionalism please use the correct approach. Do not break someone's confidence that he/she might not be able to stand up to rectify errors.
Disgusted 30 Sept 2012, 20:41
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I think it's great that LI has taken the initiative to educate readers on what flies in a corporate environment - I only meant to say that the message could have been put across better. My first impression on reading the post was that it had been put up there to generate some laughs which is unbecoming of a popular forum such as LI's. I mean, if you really read the substance of his/her communication, it definitely comes across as a sincere effort to initiate and maintain a professional relationship albeit in an incorrect manner.

As for whether redaction in itself serves to neutralize any humiliation that the writer of that post might have felt, I beg to disagree. Read the first two comments - there might have been a lot more in a similar vein had the conversation not changed track. Anyone who recognizes that post as his and reads our not-so-sensitive comments is bound to be seriously offended/hurt/stigmatized.

Eitherway, I guess if the sole purpose of the post was to educate and not denigrate, then a softer stance would be merited. I am a huge fan of LI's product and apologize for any over-reaction on my part.
S 1 Oct 2012, 05:20
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I fail to understand what the hoopla is all about.
Kian was professional enough in redacting any/ all identifying pointers.
So, how is there any humiliation and also how is this elitist?

He points out to a big problem that young people today do not even recognise. I have a couple of linkedin invitations (which if not this bad) are bad enough.

Rather than nit-picking with Kian on this one, why not make attempts at being more constructive in the comments?

Also, while we are email/ writing generally, do visit the link:


Kian - I am with you on this one.

In-house
tantan 1 Oct 2012, 11:09
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Well let us understand whoever has written this will definitely not 'be educated' by this magnanimous effort of the editor namely Monsieur Kian. This valiant attempt that you are making, to rectify the drafting skills of teenagers 'not just in India', is absolutely laudable.

We all adore you.

Peace. Joy.
Bangalore Lawyer 4 Oct 2012, 06:51
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Kian - may be few partners of Indian law firms must also learn how to communicate from their bb. A friend of mine was offered a job post interview (not the offer letter under letter head) and it goes like this :

Hi ABC,

Note that ur pay wud be 20K p.m. + tax. Join us asap.

Best wishes,
XYZ
Akhilesh 18 Jan 2013, 06:27
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these sort of emails should be responded in the same manner the way it is written.
Shortest forms, and dificult to understand. let him or her revert with an another e-mail asking about the content of the mail.
Please do reply to such mails with some senseless text.
Dear Kian,
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piku 22 Mar 2013, 10:34
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really when any person is using slang language or short form, it really put bad impression on others.(especially professionals)