3 Cyril Amarchand Delhi disputes partners leave less than one year after joining from Dua [UPDATE-1]

Team of three litigators leaves Cyril Amarchand
Team of three litigators leaves Cyril Amarchand

Three Delhi litigation partners hired by Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas from Dua Associates less than one year ago - Neeraj Sharma, Alok Tiwari and Seshagiri Vadlamani - are leaving the firm.

At the time of publication, we could not confirm whether they would be joining another firm or going independent.

Update 13 May, 10:11: Cyril Shroff commented: “Neeraj is setting up an advocacates chamber. The parting is very friendly . We will work with him also as outside counsel where needed.”

Neeraj Sharma is co-head of the disputes practice with Delhi partner Gauri Rasgotra.

He had been at Dua for nearly 15 years before joining Cyril Amarchand in September 2015.

He had also worked at Bhasin & Co in 1995 for five years, having graduated from Delhi University’s law faculty in 1990.

Partner Alok Tiwari had been at Dua for three years before joining Cyril Amarchand with Sharma, having practised independently since 2006.

Partner Seshagiri Vadlamani had also been a partner at Duas before joining Cyril Amarchand.

We have reached out to Cyril Amarchand managing partner Cyril Shroff and the three leaving partners for comment.

Comments

lage raho cyril bhai 12 May 2016, 18:58
+3 -3
hai re hai, hai re hai (song from mumbai)
Harsha Bhogle 12 May 2016, 19:05
+34 -9
Can we please now agree that CAM has been relegated to Tier 2?

And what's the verdict on those who choose to stay - Buffons or buffoons?
Recordkeeper 13 May 2016, 04:38
+2 -2
What is the definition of tier 2? Who all there?
Sc 13 May 2016, 05:40
+1 -3
Who is niraj alok and the other one?? any book going with them?
There is only one Alok 13 May 2016, 11:59
+4 -3
Aditya
Wi 13 May 2016, 11:23
+0 -0
1st year?? You wouldn't ask otherwise.
BookWalah 13 May 2016, 13:30
+10 -0
Tier 2 includes names of those law firms who pay little less to legal directories than the Tier 1 firms pay!
LP6 13 May 2016, 06:19
+6 -2
CAM is pretty much non-existent in Litigation!
People Love Bad News 14 May 2016, 05:07
+3 -3
I think we love to read stuff which 'MAY' look like something wrong or bad is happening to someone/ somebody. People leave; Big Deal - Move on Champ! It's good for the organisation (no more cribbing from people for whom it's not working out) and the people who are moving on (move and do stuff which may work for them instead of sulking). It's that simple....Anyway!
ThePhantom 12 May 2016, 19:21
+1 -1
Not surprised. Saw it coming.
Oracle 13 May 2016, 04:37
+4 -1
@Phantom: what else do you see coming? What rishabh and cam don't.
Paaji 12 May 2016, 19:22
+9 -1
Ashwath+his 3 partners+ Neeraj and his 2 partners+ Himanshu= 8 partner exits from CAM in less than 2 months. What is going on?
Gandhari 12 May 2016, 20:09
+2 -9
ek bat mann lo tum
jo kahu main wo karo tum
ek bat mann lo tum
jo kahu main wo karo tum
jo karu toh mera wada
mai karungi jo kaho tum tum
tum mujhko chand lake do
idli doo idli doo
mujhko tare lake do
idli doo idli doo
or sare lake do
Joke 12 May 2016, 20:39
+18 -1
More will leave. Condition of Delhi office known
Kaunsa Wala 12 May 2016, 21:13
+11 -1
Depends.

If the partners have been told to go on account of their non performance, then kudos to CAM for the ballsy step.

If the partners have left of their own volition, its either:
1) They don't see CAM making a dent in Dilli anytime soon.
2) They are answerable not to Cyril,but others who cannot run an institution and yet continue to do so just because of their last names and family relations.
3) CAM has lost the ability to retain good people.
Bvfh 13 May 2016, 11:18
+2 -10
Insightful. But what has changed in less than 1 year?? they knew what they were getting into.. rather it reflects poorly on the leavers. why join without having a long term commitment to the place, use the brand and platform, without giving anything in return!

Cam needs to relook at its hiring policy to avoid such freeloading and focus on long term loyalty
Bling 13 May 2016, 13:14
+10 -2
If they were told to go its an acknowledgement of awful hiring as well
Guest 12 May 2016, 22:28
+9 -3
Condition of Mumbai office is hardly better!
Visitor 13 May 2016, 04:47
+6 -8
What is the problem with Mumbai office? Care to elaborate. Are LV, Yash, nisha, sandeep, indranath, ravi, anchal, Ipsita, vandana, Kranti, dj, shaneen, shishir, ram, shruti, reeba, anand, nivedita, arjun, Alice, Santos, gurpreet, Ganesh, vp, Indranil, sharad and others also going? NO
Yo Yo 13 May 2016, 05:13
+16 -3
Dude you forgot to mention CAM's purple elephant in your list.

And can you please fix the formatting of the list and post it back up again.

Many thanks for your help.
Yo Yo 13 May 2016, 05:30
+2 -5
Arey, why didn't you mention CAM's purple elephant in your list??
Bahubali 13 May 2016, 12:30
+0 -0
Is that all that's left? You left out the safari suited heroes. You have no idea Visitor what hara kiri you have done by leaving them out. The second cheque is definitely not coming your way come March 2017.
Unfortunately 13 May 2016, 19:49
+3 -1
Ganesh left no?
Mini C 13 May 2016, 23:41
+3 -0
Ganesh is going with Ashwath. Ganesh prasad left long back for kco. Unless cam hired another Ganesh as partner which no one knows about!
Bling 14 May 2016, 12:56
+0 -0
Well Ganesh is
Tch tch 13 May 2016, 01:47
+15 -4
This is a huge loss to cam. The team was the only group of people who were respected as counsels. No other partner can argue before a court like they do.
Salve 13 May 2016, 04:33
+4 -10
Tch tch: only seniors argue before courts. No dearth of instructing counsels in Delhi. Some go more will come. High cost hires have to prove their mettle! Ship up or shape out. Rishabh shroff and other cam delhi partners will take on the mantle with aplomb, niraj and Ashwath will be forgotten soon
Tch Tch 15 May 2016, 11:37
+2 -0
Salve, you do know that every advocate has the right of audience before all courts in India! Oops: you DON'T! Tum to briefing counsel ho, jo Court nahi jaata (like most of the disputes partners)!

Also, Dude: Rishabh does not sit in the Delhi Office! Uske naam ka bas ek cabin hai! Hatthi
Cammer 13 May 2016, 01:52
+9 -1
Neeraj is a brilliant lawyer! [...]

They have been calling people 'costs' [...] turning blind eye to the fact that rau and neeraj won't work for [...] legacy.
CAMite 13 May 2016, 04:01
+4 -12
Nothing unexpected with these departures, [...] Good for cam. Delhi will now be leaner with more headroom for Cyril and rishabh to hire quality heavyweights... Good luck to the outgoing partners.
Guest 13 May 2016, 04:07
+2 -0
Are they joining SAM now that the non compete is over?
Also what about Corp lawyers at CAM delhi? Hearing stories there too.. [...]
Yoda 13 May 2016, 04:11
+1 -16
those who joined without a book and expected free dole outs have only themselves to blame. Mother ship Mumbai is going strong, cam with cyril, rishabh, Lv will continue the voyage, choppy seas don't last forever! [...]
Interesting 13 May 2016, 17:12
+6 -1
You mention Cyril, Rishabh, and LV... not Yash, Nisha, Sandeep, Shaneen, Shishir, Reeba, Nivedita, Arjun, VP, and all the others. Are they not continuing the voyage, or are they not relevant to your conception of the mother ship?
From US 14 May 2016, 16:54
+9 -3
Care to explain how Rishabh strengthens the practice? Really interested to know. We have never seen him on any transaction. I am sure he manages some of his Dad's relations, but is he really a practitioner?
Sangeet Party... 13 May 2016, 04:30
+9 -1
Wow! The more people leave, the more space for sangeet party practice. Neeraj and his team were definitely some of the few in the Delhi who were Tier 1 material. I heard the lateral partners in Delhi were uncomfortable working with the crowd from the Mumbai office who were obviously planted by VCS to keep an eye on things. CSS should now recognize the importance of appreciating a meritocratic structure [...]
Rgdr 13 May 2016, 05:22
+0 -0
Except for rishab who else was sent to delhi from Mumbai?
Delhi 14 May 2016, 05:35
+3 -0
Didn't aashish jain also move to delhi? Is he also moving with neeraj? Heard about from camites. cam Kian any update
Sangeet 13 May 2016, 05:27
+7 -5
Were you not invited for sangeet practice? Why so angry. apply next time
Yo Yo 13 May 2016, 05:55
+6 -2
An application? Seriously?? Kudos on your office bureaucracy covering sangeet practices.....
Client 13 May 2016, 05:03
+3 -92
Vandana has never intervened in office issues. Looks after only Mumbai office and admin HR (non client) issues. How do you get these facts? Everyone has had free hand to grow. Unfair to say family involvement had any role to play with these departures.

Rishab is a capable lawyer with client standing in Delhi built very quickly, have worked with him. His corporate, projects and litigation experience and merit is surprisingly refreshing at such young age. Better to adjust to the new paradigm rather than cry about the first family.

Family gets all work so will be entitled to its due in the system. All the best to rishabh and cyril.
Scooter- 13 May 2016, 05:23
+69 -5
Bhaaaai- maal kaha se khareedteho apna?
not true 13 May 2016, 06:55
+17 -3
1. If you are a "client" how do you know that Vandana looks after Non- client issues ?

2. Such a high rate of attrition specially at senior level, shows poor HR management skills. ergo Vandana's management style needs attention.

3. Hire a management graduate, preferably with law background to look after your operational as well as employee aspirational issues. Family is important, but 21st century professionals have better options and will walk.

4. Get over your meglomaniac ego. Cyril has lived his life. Rishabh is getting everything on a plate. it would take 20 years or more for Rishabh to match Cyril in knowledge, client management or professionalism.

5. Get BCG to help you. and listen to them. Get their MCs to embed within your team. Yours is not the first family firm to face issues. professional leadership and family steering is possible. one need not be at the cost of the other.

6 Accept there is a problem and find viable business solution.

7. [...]

8. [...]

9. Deck of cards looks like a pyramid. but when winds blow, cards fall. Pyramid stands. what are you ?
@ Client 13 May 2016, 06:59
+13 -4
Only an ill-informed ignorant will commend a transactional lawyer for "corporate, projects and litigation". A lawyer may have good rainmaking and client handling (faffing) skills, but no lawyer can handle 3 practice areas and do justice to the client.
White Elephant 13 May 2016, 05:36
+9 -3
If family brought all the work, then Delhi would be a success despite terrible hires. Mumbai and Bangalore non Shroff partners currently keeping the firm afloat. how long will they stay on?
New Order 13 May 2016, 05:42
+32 -5
Cyril said in the B&B interview that litigation is to Delhi what corporate is to Mumbai. And within 1 week of the interview, 50% of his Delhi litigation partner pool erodes.

For the longest time, I felt that new order (in long run) will be 1. CAM / SAM 2. Khaitan 3. AZB 4. Trilegal 5. JSA 6. Luthra but given the flux (and by no means AZB would be stable with Ashwath's arrival - it will have its own share of strong lateral move), but not I believe Indian law firms will stack up as follows:

1. Khaitan (it has remained not so affected over last 1 year - think one partner even came back; market perception is solid but they need to stack up on perceived quality issues)

2. SAM (it is doing a reasonable job till now unless Delhi Corporate blows up after the importance given to Mumbai hires - the B&B article spoke only of the new hires, and solid performers like Gunjan, Kalpataru, Raghubir are not being projected)

3. AZB (assuming marriage with Ashwath works out; in fact AZB Delhi is a stronger firm)

4. CAM (Corporate India relationships are solid, but is losing long lasting clients, and very poor perception right now)

5. Trilegal (like Khaitan has been consistent, but does not seem like a hungry lot)

JSA is on a free fall. Lesser said about Luthra the better.

Among the new firms, Indus is promising. LKS will be indirect tax powerhouse. NDA and Bharucha will remain where it is - small and strong in its core areas. Not much to talk about strategy of ELP.

Front offices like Platinum and TTA will continue to do well -- at the same time, they are not in this race.
Guest 13 May 2016, 08:20
+4 -1
Agreed. Only if there was a more trustworthy annual ranking that puts its stamp on this. RSG is a bi-annual publication. The outsider which has remained promising last few years but refuses to grow up and play with the big boys is S&R - good in what they do but not enough yet.
Guest 13 May 2016, 09:08
+0 -0
Kian - please publish my earlier comment
Scooter- 13 May 2016, 15:36
+3 -1
"4. CAM (Corporate India relationships are solid, but is losing long lasting clients, and very poor perception right now)"

Which is the long lasting client that has left? Englighten me my good sir!
Star Associate 13 May 2016, 17:48
+0 -1
Well summed up
bbb 14 May 2016, 06:34
+3 -13
elp?? is it in the same game...they are a good tax firm nothin more...

But a lot of gossip emanating out of the firm....senior partners might leave... some really talented corporate guys available or will e available once the partner promotions are announced...
Hmm 14 May 2016, 13:59
+8 -5
They have strong teams across Tax, Tax Lit, Competition, Trade and Projects - if you pay any credence to Chambers&Partners, Legal 500 or IBLJ, all of the above are Top Tier practice, they are however not a transactions or cap markets firm like the rest. However you are right Tax & Tax Lit w RS at the helm is the Key Profit & Reputational Center
Pks 13 May 2016, 05:43
+7 -2
Niraj you still look the same. charmer!! :) wish you and team good luck. Old friend.
all about family 13 May 2016, 06:32
+8 -2
SAM has managed to create an ambiguity re the line of succession - but in CAM its Rishab. Do you think Ashwat (or Neeraj) will work under/report to him? Type for Cyril to rethink the "one leader" model.
Dua hi Dua 13 May 2016, 06:34
+8 -3
So Ranji Dua proves once again that all ex-Dua(ites) cannot survive without him...be it Tatva or the ex-CAM (ites). Anyone knows what is the latest with Tatva?
Alumni 13 May 2016, 07:35
+0 -2
Bangalore and Hyderabad rocking. Mumbai not seen in any matter. Delhi......
Dua hi Dua 13 May 2016, 08:29
+0 -0
Delhi?
Client 13 May 2016, 09:25
+1 -3
Tatva Hyderabad is really rocking. They got a best regional law firm in India award from Legal Era. Good people.
Really ? 13 May 2016, 09:49
+9 -1
Most of us know how and why these awards are awarded ...
Kattappa 13 May 2016, 11:58
+0 -2
Dont know about awards but Tata Hyd is really rocking. Definitely best in Hyd. Ekta has moved to Samvad and this is a big loss for them. We have to see how things will work in coming one year.
LL Junkie 13 May 2016, 07:35
+3 -0
Kian, why no year completion interviews for you? It seems like both them are giving preference to BnB over LL.
kianganz 13 May 2016, 08:14
+4 -2
We didn't ask :) I don't generally see much point in re-covering old ground for the sake of it.

We kinda did our SAM one year review already a little while ago:
http://www.legallyindia.com/law-firms/from-morass-to-lean-and-less-mean-shardul-amarchand-s-pallavi-shroff-akshay-chudasama-interview-as-cam-sam-no-poach-due-to-expire-via-mint

But you're right, it is time for a CAM update. We're working on some interesting things there, instead of just Q&A re-hashes of the obvious... ;)
The best way 13 May 2016, 09:42
+4 -1
A COO should be appointed at CAM. That takes operations load off the family to allow them to focus best on legal work and getting business. Barring that not happening, their existing Operations Head, Jijimon should be given additional responsibilities of managing the Offices. The family should stop managing offices and leave it in the capable hands of the Ops Head. While partners can report to Cyril or Vandana, the other support functions and non legals can report to Jijimon, an excellent leader with good office setup and management skills. This helps family members and partners focus on the business and not day to day operations. Duties not delegated will prove a burden if the family tries to do everything by themselves.
Kshatriya Purush 13 May 2016, 11:38
+5 -2
Jijimon shouldn't be a first choice. An MBA from Harvard or Wharton would be good. A Foreigner.

But have to admit Jijimon is very capable leader. Best for office management in non-legals. Experienced in managing many offices. The Go to guy if Vandana or Cyril cannot get a MBA foreigner.

CAM should get a foreigner and give all daily office admin jobs to him. That's the only way they can focus on growing business. Growing means more time from daily schedule to non-core, non-business related matters.
Nuts 13 May 2016, 11:58
+13 -2
What on earth makes you think an HBS/Wharton alumnus will want to join an Indian law firm when he could go join an actual company?
Ceo 13 May 2016, 14:26
+4 -8
Yes. someone like a Valerie will be useful admin addition, her departure to Link was a big blow, created a gap yet to be filled..

NR's departure void is also unplugged, big loss

Vandana ma'am is spread too thin managing HR, reviewing associates performance, bonus and client work, needs to lighten some of the load so can focus again on senior hiring. She had the best eye for talent. Rishab looking after recruitments has definitely helped, but needs more experienced hands. All the best ma'am.
DesiDude 14 May 2016, 21:11
+4 -0
Perfect McCaulay class, you chap. Why can they not have a smart IIM-A PGDM?
Jjo 13 May 2016, 10:52
+6 -3
Fair point. Jijimon has spent over 25 years with cam Mumbai. High time his contribution was acknowledge. Despite loyalty and high intellect, merit, he has been plugging the leaks - HR, Corp com, employee benefits, to now what no one knows. If rewarding trusted loyalists is the Indian promoter culture, gaps there as well. Same With dejo..quality asset
Czm 13 May 2016, 11:04
+17 -12
Zia sends her regards!
Sweetshop 13 May 2016, 18:12
+4 -1
Cyril needs to strongly prune his wild big tree and make it an unique bonsai. Amarchand brand as a whole has taken a deep dive.
Sweets 14 May 2016, 00:02
+6 -2
Problems:-

1. Focus on family. assuming everyone should fulfil the family obligations with no corresponding rights.

2.Ignoring clients. Attempt to build new once by travel, not work. They are for us, not the reverse attitude..

3 . justifying every decision - good or bad. Ego.

4. Knee-jerk responses (short term), when pushed to take action. Confusing movement with progress

5. Yes sir yes ma'am culture. Old world dna, life has moved on.

6. Biggest of all, clip rather than let grow approach to stars and rising talent

7. Ignoring that most like law (in some form) without wanting to get caught up in fun and games! Let ppl be
Coastal Road 14 May 2016, 05:34
+5 -2
The comment section is always buzzing with enlightened arm chair advisers / critiques....perhaps a COO type can be found here itself....why even bother with Harvard et al grad....Breath and lets others....Ciao..!!!

In the interim, sing along...

At first I was afraid
I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live
Without you by my side
But then I spent so many nights
Thinking how you did me wrong
And I grew strong
And I learned how to get along
And so you're back
From outer space
I just walked in to find you here
With that sad look upon your face
I should have changed that stupid lock
I should have made you leave your key
If I had known for just one second
You'd be back to bother me

Go on now go walk out the door
Just turn around now
'Cause you're not welcome anymore
Weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye
Did you think I'd crumble
Did you think I'd lay down and die
Oh no, not I
I will survive
Oh as long as I know how to love
I know I'll stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
And I'll survive
I will survive (hey-hey)

It took all the strength I had
Not to fall apart
Kept trying hard to mend
The pieces of my broken heart
And I spent oh so many nights
Just feeling sorry for myself
I used to cry
But now I hold my head up high
And you see me
Somebody new
I'm not that chained up little person
Still in love with you
And so you felt like dropping in
And just expect me to be free
And now I'm saving all my loving
For someone who's loving me

Go on now go walk out the door
Just turn around now
'Cause you're not welcome anymore
Weren't you the one who tried to break me with goodbye
Did you think I'd crumble
Did you think I'd lay down and die
Oh no, not I
I will survive
Oh as long as I know how to love
I know I'll stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
And I'll survive
I will survive
[x2]
GnR 14 May 2016, 05:57
+0 -0
Inspiration! So did you survive? Everyone hopes to..,
Armold 14 May 2016, 06:27
+2 -1
Did you take permission from the copyright holder before copying and pasting here?
Frost 14 May 2016, 06:09
+1 -1
@coastal roadn/ true. organisations are built over decades and centuries, blue chip ones create fear in the minds of have nots, envy causes others to bring legacies down, what it takes to build a brand also has what it takes to ward off bitter have nots!

In choppy seas (which don't last long) waves and lightening create an ilusion of despair- takes the largest ship to wade through fearsome waves and typhoons, when calm returns, tallest flags rule the seas once again. cycle of life!
Leaving? 14 May 2016, 07:42
+1 -0
Any idea if Neeraj + 2 are taking anyone else from CAM along with them?
AB & Associates 14 May 2016, 08:18
+3 -1
Meanwhile Mr. Bahl looks to side with Cyril and get a merger done.

www.ajayshroff.com

Y all attention to Zia? She has lost her teenage charm.
Simple Observations 14 May 2016, 08:22
+0 -0
No idea who is Jijimon or why his name is up for COO stakes. But agree CAM needs COO. Every other legal firm has it. If everyone thinks this Jijimon then so be it, but they need that designation fast.
Desi Ghee 15 May 2016, 08:58
+2 -0
Jijimon is not THE best office manager, but would surely count him in Top 3. Madam wasting real talent of his. Should give serious responsibility like running all offices instead of handling wiring and canteen and tissue paper in loo type of problems.

Guy can run large offices. Great man management skills. Am sure other non legal heads would welcome this move.
Simple Ganit 14 May 2016, 09:47
+6 -1
To look beyond the clouds - what does one expect from a job that extracts 20 hours a day of your life:

A. Fairness - work hard, system will take care of the rest

B. performance - client appreciation is more important than appreciation from the safari suited brethren.

C. Trust - most ar3nt born with the tricks, so hope that A and B will be enough to protect one from the tricks.

D. trust2 - think about the client, be brave, yet smart. If yet things were to go wrong, someone is there to cover you, without bias!

E. TEAM - invest in people, a sign of leadership, requires sacrifice (limited bonus pool!). Ask any general...

F. platform - differentiates a start-up from a name. Not difficult to start own firm...

G. dignity - for service put IN, and bucks earned for the PLATFORM, at the cost of personal life and sacrifices

H. Security - not of the job, but against the insecurity of non-performance.

I. AT least A-H above..
Hat tip! 14 May 2016, 12:03
+2 -0
You deserve a Nobel for this... bow to the enlightened one! Hope all MPs reading this.....
Ram rajya 15 May 2016, 12:04
+1 -0
Well put.all MPs know this, but don't like reading about it..

Old amarchand was built on this model, dissolved since last year!
Cyril sucks! 14 May 2016, 11:12
+5 -3
Why can't neeraj stay!
Had to happen 15 May 2016, 11:05
+2 -2
More partners and lawyers to be sacked if they dont perform well.
Gossip King 15 May 2016, 18:49
+0 -0
Whats the news? Where is Neeraj +2 are joining? or they really gonna have their independent practice (which seems fishy :P)
the seeker 16 May 2016, 05:35
+0 -0
spell check "advocacates"....
What about 17 May 2016, 03:52
+0 -0
What about that Barucha boy? Is he still there?
ZiaM 17 May 2016, 04:15
+3 -0
Sh(C)yril I am currently on-line shopping for some TOP quality 'CAM' products (hehe, the few that are left). I hear delivery is soon!
Is this true 17 May 2016, 06:36
+3 -0
Apparently quite a few hires in CAM delhi at the junior level are not getting confirmed after their probation? Is CAM is such a bad situation?
Rumour has it 17 May 2016, 10:26
+0 -0
Yes Although, I doubt that CAM would let go of talent thats worth retaining - especially when comments on spaces such as this and the market in general is making much noise about CAM's new found quality and consistency issues...
the seeker 17 May 2016, 13:37
+1 -0
isnt CAM the same firm which was ranked two notches above after AZB in the Indian law firm awards 2015 which had SAM at the bottom of the ladder?