[CORRECTION] Khaitan & Co leads market, massively bumps fresher pay to Rs 14.4 lakh annually

Khaitan: Stacks of money
Khaitan: Stacks of money

Khaitan & Co has increased the base remuneration paid to freshers from Rs 13.2 lakh per year (as revised in 2014) to Rs 14.4 lakh per year plus an annual bonus of up to Rs 1.8 lakh.

Correction: The earlier published version of this story stated that Khaitan had changed to a guaranteed bonus structure for freshers. It appears that this information had been miscommunicated to us and is incorrect. We will be publishing more details shortly. We regret for the error.

The salary change will now apply to all first years working at the firm, confirmed a Khaitan partner, with the bonuses equivalent to 150 per cent of monthly retainer to be paid out each April.

The partner and a law student with knowledge of the hike confirmed, that the firm had increased the monthly base pay from Rs 1.05 lakh to Rs 1.2 lakh.

Until now the firm paid Rs 13.2 lakh per year, which could increase to up to Rs 15.2 lakh with a discretionary bonus.

The change was made after realising that in previous years, in the majority of cases, the firm was paying a 150 per cent bonus anyway, said a partner.

On top of that, the partner told Legally India, it reflected the “overall strategy of the firm” to attract quality talent, and “we thought that this is a fair compensation package”.

It is understood from conversations with law students that a number of firms have also increased the packages.

Legally India’s law firm salary table to be updated soon.

Comments

Guest 3 Apr 2015, 08:53
+15 -8
Kian,

Would be great if you could post the updated fresher salary structure at AZB Mumbai? Thanks.
Tamasha 3 Apr 2015, 15:35
+59 -22
Publicity stunt only. They engage with this package when hire directly from college because there they get name publicised. They do not offer the same package while recruiting otherwise. Heard many experienced associates and Sr associates getting much less than they offering now. Still with this big offer they are unable to retain good ones because they are easiest targets of Partners' frustration and they leave with in one or maxi 2 years.
kianganz 5 Apr 2015, 07:58
+11 -24
Tamasha - I understand this is not entirely correct... Will update shortly with proper explanation...
Not Applicable to Lit Team 4 Apr 2015, 18:52
+27 -17
I just checked up with the Khaitan Lit team. They are offering exactly 10.4+bonus to us, the lit freshers joining this year. We are NOT getting 16.2 L.

So, this I guess, is limited to Corp segment only. We are getting only 10.4+bonus
City? 5 Apr 2015, 06:43
+10 -8
Which city did you check for, dude?
Reply to City 5 Apr 2015, 09:35
+4 -3
Delhi
College hero 5 Apr 2015, 06:46
+1 -0
but but isn't there rotation?
Rubbish! 5 Apr 2015, 07:27
+4 -3
Kian, censor comments that you KNOW are false!
vantage 5 Apr 2015, 08:16
+6 -1
this is what i ALWAYS maintained!!
Litigation team is always discriminated against when it comes to salary.
Khaitan Associate 5 Apr 2015, 17:54
+2 -3
Confirmed again. It's 10.4L+bonus for Lit Delhi. 200% sure.
Oh, God! 5 Apr 2015, 18:58
+2 -0
Yaaaaaaaar, what is this?!
Kian, confirm this soon, please!
Or, are such articles representative of KCO, Mumbai (Corporate) only?!
Birdie from PCP 5 Apr 2015, 06:39
+2 -1
Only new office. No new salary!
DBS 3 Apr 2015, 09:15
+9 -0
Great going. How much does the remuneration increase after completing 2nd,3rd,4th year??
DBT 3 Apr 2015, 14:23
+3 -2
Why will join them if they also disclose that
haters gonna hate 3 Apr 2015, 15:17
+0 -1
1.30 at A1 pending revision from what i hear
associates 3 Apr 2015, 09:17
+4 -11
Better go to lower nlu like rml,rgnul,cnlu,nluo and at least hire toppers who definitely work hard.
They have worked hard for 5 years so please give them some reward
virage 3 Apr 2015, 09:18
+9 -10
I'm working in one of the old 3 firm's & I'm not even getting half of the remuneration Khaitan freshers are getting :(
Shame!!
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 09:21
+2 -0
Kian, can you get a word from other law firms as to their pay structure for the new batch?
Please answer 3 Apr 2015, 09:33
+3 -0
Is this applicable only to the students who started work in 2014? Or does it also apply to those who start afresh in 2015?

Also, do law firms include benefits like health insurance, relocation allowance, etc. within this pay bracket?

Also, what is the rate of tax that associates in law firms need to pay? Is it 10% (PGBP) or 30% like any other salaried person earning above 10 lakhs?
DBS 3 Apr 2015, 14:56
+0 -1
you gotto be kidding. They are just retainers & not salaried! They don't get all those benefits.
10% TDS is deducted.
purr 3 Apr 2015, 15:56
+1 -0
Well...many firms do give health insurance.
DBS 3 Apr 2015, 17:29
+1 -0
are you serious? which ones??
Anon 3 Apr 2015, 18:31
+9 -3
KCO also gives health insurance
HI 4 Apr 2015, 01:22
+2 -0
KCO, AMSS (old version) did. Probably JSA too
Anon 4 Apr 2015, 10:49
+2 -0
Actually, fees earned by associates are treated as business income and subjected to tax as such. Therefore, the firm deducts 10% while paying and any additional tax liability at the end of the FY is borne by the associate.
guest 3 Apr 2015, 09:50
+0 -0
Kian , any idea if the other Tier I firms are planning to increase their pay ?
HR 3 Apr 2015, 09:54
+17 -2
But what about work culture and learning curve.
Smart move 3 Apr 2015, 10:05
+1 -4
Would anyone be able to confirm whether it is correct that fresher pay at Hemant Sahai is 15 lakh's?
Hs 3 Apr 2015, 14:57
+29 -1
Who is Hemant Sahai?
HSA 3 Apr 2015, 16:08
+6 -33
The biggest name in projects and infrastructure in India.
Magic Tomato 4 Apr 2015, 07:15
+9 -0
You're funny.
HSA-rejected me 4 Apr 2015, 05:23
+2 -0
the lit team they start off at 4,20,000 + bonus
2nd year 8,40,000 + bonus
3rd year 12,00,000 + bonus
after that performance based
Interesting 3 Apr 2015, 10:12
+11 -1
But why not just raise base salary to 16.2?

Are associates employed as employees (in which case what they get in hand is much less than this) or as consultants?
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 10:16
+4 -1
Yeah right, overall strategy.
Wow! 3 Apr 2015, 10:27
+4 -8
Its been a few years from my time as a fresher, but this seems like a game changer.
really? 3 Apr 2015, 11:23
+13 -1
Is this actually higher than SnR and trilegal pay? I understand the base pay may be lower, but given that they all give bonuses of at least a certain amount,isn't that the appropriate comparison.

Also, no one should bother with amarchand. Their idea is that you are benefitting from working with them so much that the money shouldn't matter. I heard they refused to even reveal starting salary while recruiting!
Guest 4 Apr 2015, 07:17
+1 -4
Bonuses at Trilegal were rather high this year. Not sure about S&R but the impression is that they pay well.
Nope 6 Apr 2015, 09:02
+0 -2
I hear, very reliably, snr total works out higher.
S&R 6 Apr 2015, 10:12
+0 -4
It pays 18 lacs.
SnotR 6 Apr 2015, 14:01
+1 -0
And you know this, how?

All firms can say they are going to pay anything. The only real way to judge this is to look at their BASE salary and then understand the structure of their [u]discretionary[/u] bonus. Anything else is misleading.
Name 3 Apr 2015, 11:26
+11 -0
Recruitment jumla. What is the basic bonus ratio after 1st year ?
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 11:50
+17 -7
Other firms such as AMSS, Trilegal and Luthra should see this. Especially AMSS.

They have not increased salary since 2008.
associates 3 Apr 2015, 11:55
+0 -2
Please update other college information also
G Real Estate 3 Apr 2015, 12:02
+3 -7
Wow,a good news..
Increased clients/work too?
Bogus 3 Apr 2015, 12:09
+57 -2
It is a complete lie that all freshers across all offices will be getting this amount. The Bangalore office does not pay freshers even close to the last year minimum, forget freshers in Bangalore office getting this much. Please update your report by saying that unlike other firms, the Bangalore office of Khaitan pays much lower to its associates especially duscriminating against freshers and those not from the top colleges.
Are you an insider? 3 Apr 2015, 13:43
+4 -18
[quote name="Bogus"]It is a complete lie that all freshers across all offices will be getting this amount. The Bangalore office does not pay freshers even close to the last year minimum, forget freshers in Bangalore office getting this much. Please update your report by saying that unlike other firms, the Bangalore office of Khaitan pays much lower to its associates especially duscriminating against freshers and those not from the top colleges.[/quote]

Are you an insider? That will give credibility to your comment. Or were you chucked out because of non-performance and thus the frustration.
Bogus 4 Apr 2015, 19:01
+9 -0
Am not someone who has been thrown out for non-performance. This fact is known by ever lawyer in the Bangalore market. It is important that freshers are aware of this fact so that they are not disappointed at a later time. While it is good to declare big numbers, it is even more important to be honest about which offices of the Firm are going to pay what. I know that AMSS/ JSA/ AZB etc. do not discriminate on the basis of offices any longer (which they did earlier) and neither is there a discrimination based on the college you come from once you are recruited.
Same for all law firms 6 Apr 2015, 08:34
+0 -5
All law firms (including Amarchand) pay lower amounts to their Bangalore lawyers so no big surprise there!
Bangalore 3 Apr 2015, 14:30
+7 -7
i heared Lexygen pays the best in bangalore..
Delhi? 3 Apr 2015, 17:16
+2 -4
I'm told Delhi and Bombay offices pay the same.
guest 4 Apr 2015, 04:13
+1 -3
Kian, heard Khaitan require all the campus freshers to sign a two year bond? Can you confirm.
kianganz 4 Apr 2015, 08:13
+7 -2
Have checked with an authoritative Khaitan source, that's not correct...
Anon 4 Apr 2015, 11:40
+1 -2
No, there is no bond at Khaitan.

At Luthra, however, they make you sign a 3-year bond. Never heard of it being enforced strictly though.
Name 4 Apr 2015, 15:52
+7 -0
No longer
Top Tier! 3 Apr 2015, 12:33
+26 -9
So effectively now a fresher associate at Khaitan makes more than most 2-3 PQE level associates at Amarchand? Impressive!
As they said... 4 Apr 2015, 07:14
+0 -0
Yes...
Haha 5 Apr 2015, 06:37
+4 -0
Just why isn't there a mass exodus already?

Can some insider explain why they choose to stick to Amarchand?
Sure? 3 Apr 2015, 12:33
+12 -0
Kian, are you sure about this? Khaitan is a Firm which usually gives official press releases for such developments with an official comment from the Managing Partners, which seems to not be the case here.
Crazy 3 Apr 2015, 13:14
+0 -17
I heard AZB Mumbai is offering 1.45 per month, along with 3 to 6 months' salary as bonus.
Dracula 3 Apr 2015, 13:41
+6 -4
[quote name="Crazy"]I heard AZB Mumbai is offering 1.45 per month, along with 3 to 6 months' salary as bonus.[/quote]

And then they suck your blood. Better go to AZB than a blood bank.
AZB 3 Apr 2015, 14:22
+2 -0
and a senior associate designate as well.
Stats 3 Apr 2015, 16:08
+0 -0
I heard it is 1.3 with 3-6 month's salary as bonus.
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 13:32
+28 -10
Gone are the days when people will choose amss. Amss is soon going to become the last choice
OMG! 3 Apr 2015, 13:59
+18 -20
This is massive! Surely, the Firm has big clients and doing a lot of good work, contrary to what all the haters believe. Do you think Partners are paying higher salaries out of their pocket?!
Haigrieve is a Marwari and surely knows what and why he's paying to young graduates. Undoubtedly, the Firm is making big, big money!
Haha 3 Apr 2015, 15:49
+19 -16
Yes yes, until it all unravels one day ! Please list their top 5 deals in the last year or 5 known corporate relationships that they enjoy. And also, one practice area that they dominate.
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 16:51
+8 -16
From what I've heard, their Litigation practice in Delhi is very good!
DBS 3 Apr 2015, 17:27
+12 -8
Khaitan Litigation in Mumbai is very average from what i heard!
KCO 4 Apr 2015, 07:23
+3 -5
We have Mahindra & Mahindra

We have lost Rasgotra and the lit practice to SAMU.
M&M 6 Apr 2015, 12:40
+4 -0
Please refrain from taking names without any authorisation.
Thank you
Willy Fox 4 Apr 2015, 12:11
+4 -11
Yes, KCO Delhi can file an SLP at a lump sum fee of INR 50K. No private practitioner (forger law firm) can match that!!!
aor 7 Apr 2015, 13:44
+0 -0
Dude just 50k are you kidding
Passer-by 9 Apr 2015, 09:42
+2 -0
Read today that Snapdeal's acquisition of Freecharge which happens to be the biggest deal in the e-commerce sector was undertaken by KCO and AZB.

Keep laughing.
Passer-by 2 9 Apr 2015, 14:21
+2 -0
Just to add Khaitan & Co advised ZF Friedrichshafen AG (ZF) on the Indian competition law aspects of the acquisition of TRW Automotive Holdings Corp., USA by way of a reverse triangular merger for USD 12.5 billion. This is one of the biggest global transactions announced in 2014.
Re: OMG! 4 Apr 2015, 07:19
+15 -4
I do wonder how it works. I've heard that they achieve wealth re-distribution because the partners/ equity partners take a hit on their take-home. On a separate note, this strategy appears to have an effect on recruitments. From what I've seen, 3-4 years ago, a 4th/ 5th year student may have preferred AM/ AZB over KCO, but over the past 2-3 years, I have noticed/ heard of more preferring KCO, primarily due to the pay-scale revision. The strategy, at the entry level, does appear to be working. Not sure about the lateral level though.
Retainer Survey 4 Apr 2015, 07:22
+8 -0
Kian, don't you think it's a good time to do some research on what law firms are paying these days (entry level and increments up until to the Senior Associate level)?
Again?! 3 Apr 2015, 14:01
+18 -10
They revised it last year and they're revising it this year, TOO?!
Firms don't bother revising once in 2-4 years altogether; and KCO is doing it in consecutive years!
Kudos!
WOW! 3 Apr 2015, 14:01
+13 -9
This is awesome! KCO, for the win!
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 15:09
+14 -10
well..is this the right way to look at a profession? by luring kids by showing big numbers...half the kids will leave in a year - the attrition rate in khaitan really high..anybody can cross check..
Guest 5 Apr 2015, 05:56
+5 -3
I havent seen too many of these young kids leave. They seem to be most happy.
SCAM 3 Apr 2015, 15:22
+25 -16
Nothing great in this.. they are just scared of CAM/ SAM poaching their talent with their deep pockets. KCO HR is known for being the SLOWEST and most unprofessional HR department in the world.
Anon 3 Apr 2015, 16:59
+14 -2
No no, she left for AZB ;)
Not True 5 Apr 2015, 03:11
+8 -5
[quote name="SCAM"]Nothing great in this.. they are just scared of CAM/ SAM poaching their talent with their deep pockets. KCO HR is known for being the SLOWEST and most unprofessional HR department in the world.[/quote]

I have been working at Khaitan at several years. I have seen transition from not having HR at all to having a head of HR (IIM-A grad) after we lost our previous HR head to SAM. I will not call our HR as the finest but definitely better than what I hear from other firms. Law firms are still away to have HR like corporates (may be lawyers don't want HR to be involved). Things have gradually improved after one new partner has been roped into HR. Moved to 5 days week, relatively on time feedbacks, etc, what more one can ask for?
Guest 5 Apr 2015, 06:00
+11 -3
The appraisals are completed on time and you get your revised numbers and cheque on time.... some firms are still doing that and pay bonus etc in August to retain talent. No bullshit in KCO on that front.
Top Tier 3 Apr 2015, 17:19
+20 -5
KCo is paying to freshers what Amarchand is paying to lawyers with 3-4 years of post qualification exp. This will surely upset the market.
Re: Top Tier 4 Apr 2015, 07:16
+1 -1
No. 2-3 year PQE
Latest Comments? 3 Apr 2015, 17:23
+2 -1
Kian, the 'show latest comments only' link is not working on this post. Please fix it!
Leader 3 Apr 2015, 17:38
+15 -13
This is not leading the market, this is spoiling and destroying the market...
BHOnsle 4 Apr 2015, 06:08
+8 -1
Agree.. This may be a move to propogate self in midst of amss fiasco.. This will spoil the legal market for KCOs short term goals..
Lazy Boy 4 Apr 2015, 11:52
+6 -4
What are you? Lyril soap?
Lazy baap 4 Apr 2015, 16:30
+4 -0
Ab pata chala?
vantage 3 Apr 2015, 18:09
+12 -1
i doubt the folks with 10+ yrs of experience working in Mulla & Mulla, Kanga,etc would be getting anywhere near 16 lakhs today!!
Maybe Kian should interview them & ask how they feel! #NationWantsToKnow
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 18:17
+4 -0
I will be joining Amss Mumbai in August. Any idea if they have increased the salary or will be increasing it?

Kian any inside information on this
Ex-CAM 3 Apr 2015, 18:25
+14 -9
Nope. AMSS is always the last one to bump salaries. And that too, mostly out of peer pressure. If they do bump the base salaries, then they'll reduce the annual bonus or do away with the signing amount. [...]!
He-Man 3 Apr 2015, 18:22
+9 -1
Still not enough money to be able to afford a swanky apartment in SoBo.

Any reviews about the overall working conditions at Khaitan? Are they open to hiring out of work alumni of Top Tier law schools?

They must introduce some Returnship programme on the lines if Goldman Sachs. Better get some experienced hands for the buck than some useless freshers.
Wolf of Wall Street 3 Apr 2015, 18:23
+4 -1
It has Jordan Belfort written all over it. But then, who cares, let the good times roll..
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 18:37
+10 -3
Amss has stopped giving signing bonus three years ago.
Guest 3 Apr 2015, 18:38
+5 -1
Though I have heard that amss Delhi will substantially increase the salary at all levels. Let's see what how CAM reacts
Work Quality 4 Apr 2015, 13:47
+18 -2
Irrespective of money, I guess freshers should choose a balanced law firm providing good quality work and good amount.
question 5 Apr 2015, 06:17
+4 -4
How is it that so many comments are on KCO's quality, when KCO still manages to be ranked in top tier rankings for almost all verticals in reputed publications like Chambers?
Kian, why don't you do a comparison of ratio of ranked partners in Chambers to the total partners in each top tier firm?
answer 6 Apr 2015, 11:20
+3 -1
Yes, please do, because that would immediately show the comparative quality of smaller, newer, firms such as Platinum, TTA and SnR compared to larger firms.
@36 4 Apr 2015, 18:30
+11 -3
CAM is already off to a bad start in terms of the measly bonus declared last week compared to the hefty bonus by SAM the week before. Of course both were dwarfed by the humungous bonus by KCo at all levels. Hope this puts to rest the winner of the p#s&ing contest.
Kitna? 5 Apr 2015, 06:36
+2 -1
Shed some more light on the 'humongous' bonuses at all levels?
Veritas 5 Apr 2015, 05:31
+1 -3
The key question is, what is the increment post first year? I'd be surprised if it exceeds even 10-15%. This is a broker firm.
Dude! 5 Apr 2015, 06:33
+3 -1
15% after the first year is not bad!
Guest 5 Apr 2015, 08:59
+0 -0
You need to ask the kids their numbers for this year and you'd be surprised with the broking fee paid by the firm.
Veritas 5 Apr 2015, 16:24
+0 -1
You haven't understood my comment at all.
2015? 5 Apr 2015, 05:44
+3 -0
Kian, can you please confirm whether this package offered to the 2016 batch is also applicable to the batch of 2015 which will join this July? Thanks.
Same. 5 Apr 2015, 06:36
+2 -0
Same question. Someone please confirm.
Oops. 5 Apr 2015, 06:34
+4 -3
A lot of people picked Amarchand (C) and AZB over Khaitan. These firms can expect mass attrition to Khaitan.
Doubts! 5 Apr 2015, 07:01
+12 -0
The worst part about such stories on Legally India is that they leave so many questions unanswered and in fact, raise more doubts in the readers' minds than before.

Kian and Prachi, I understand you guys have to rush and publish stories in order to remain ahead of B&B, but, once that's done, I think it would befit you to answer the genuine questions that follow. Genuine in the sense that, the questions which should've been dealt with in the main article itself but were not.

There are people who read such stories and then raise their expectations. Some parents of law students also tend to nurture expectations, accordingly.

Reading all the comments above, I'd list the following questions to you, which I really think is your responsibility to answer.

1. Why was there no official press release from KCO, like always? Why haven't you named the Partner who has confirmed this development? This is unlike previous KCO developments.

2. Is this pay scale applicable only to the batch of 2016, placed on Day Zero, as your article suggests or would this also be applicable to the batch of 2015 joining this July?

3. Is this applicable to the litigation team as well or are they paid lesser than the ones in the Corporate practice?

4. Is this the standard pay scale for all offices or just Mumbai or just Mumbai and Delhi. What is a student, who has gotten placed with, say, the Delhi office, supposed to assume?

5. Is this package only offered to those who've been recruited through on-campus placements or also to those who secured a PPO after an internship at the Firm?

6. Is this applicable to selected students from all Colleges or is there a differential between NLUs and other Colleges?

Hoping for and looking forward to some answers, Kian and Prachi!

Thanks.
Joining Khaitan this year 5 Apr 2015, 09:45
+4 -3
That's right. We agree that Kian and Prachi should clarify on all these aspects.
kianganz 5 Apr 2015, 09:54
+4 -5
Full answers coming.

1. Khaitan doesn't always do press releases about everything, and never have about salary hikes (they only press release partner hires, partner promotions, and deals, in my experience). In this case we went to a partner in charge of salaries / recruitment and confirmed, but there wasn't enough time, due to the long weekend, to get internal approval on quotes. We'll probably get some on the record confirmation soon though.

2. No, it's applicable to the current freshers at the firm, as set out in the story. The 2016 batch could see another hike by then, who knows.

3. I believe it's for all teams, but there's a fuller answer we'll get from the firm in a bit.

4. Yes, all offices are on the same pay scale for campus recruits (but there's a fuller answer, again).

5. PPO / campus are the same. Lateral hires might not always be...

6. I believe this goes for all colleges, but might exclude lateral hires.

Will update in a while with more details.
Doubts! 5 Apr 2015, 11:37
+2 -1
Highly appreciate your reply, Kian. Waiting for the fuller responses. Thanks a lot! :)
Joining Khaitan this year 5 Apr 2015, 13:23
+1 -0
Thanks, Kian! Waiting for the full responses.
Bogus 5 Apr 2015, 18:43
+5 -0
Kian, freshers in Bangalore office are indeed paid less. Also, there is a difference based on which team you are working for in Bangalore unlike Mumbai. Please ask the Bangalore partners to be transparent on this instead of saying No comments or that they dont know.

I understand that the 2014 freshers in corp were paid less than Mumbai with other teams getting paid even lesser. Please get the proper story. The fact that Bangalore is being paid the same as Mumbai is not true. Also not true on similar treatment and pay for all irrespectove of college or practice area.
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 04:17
+0 -0
What's your source of information? And, what about the Delhi office?
Oh, God! 5 Apr 2015, 19:08
+0 -0
Give the fuller answers already, man!
DBS 5 Apr 2015, 08:19
+3 -5
Folks, i just realized these freshers would actually be making more money than High Court Judges!!!!!!!!!
DBS. No! 5 Apr 2015, 09:42
+4 -0
DBS, it's about authority and power, stupid. Not about the money always.
Guest 5 Apr 2015, 11:45
+0 -1
Kian - any truth, if AMSS (Delhi) is raising salary for A0's and A1's. There is speculation that once mediation is over, substantial increment at all levels will be declared.
kianganz 5 Apr 2015, 11:54
+2 -0
Yes, highly likely that both Delhi and Mumbai will raise salaries, but major fog of war right now and I understand they're not even telling interviewing students what the salary is going to be...
Guest 5 Apr 2015, 16:18
+0 -0
[quote name="kianganz"]Yes, highly likely that both Delhi and Mumbai will raise salaries, but major fog of war right now and I understand they're not even telling interviewing students what the salary is going to be...[/quote]


@ kian: I was just wondering that whatever you have stated is based on some information or this is what you feel.

And second, amss never discloses salary when they interview candidates. I think this is how the recruitment process works for them. I am not sure but this is what someone told me..
Guest 5 Apr 2015, 18:21
+6 -1
You are absolutely correct. Salaries are never told. In fact last year juniors only got to know after the first month of work. That's how transparent amss is lol
Insider 5 Apr 2015, 12:09
+5 -7
Khaitan pays absolutely the same to freshers in Mumbai and Delhi, is what I can confirm for sure. I have no idea about the other offices.
Batch of 2014 has been drawing 1.10 L a month in both the offices.
Khaitan Litigation 6 Apr 2015, 04:00
+1 -2
Wrong. Khaitan Litigation is 10.4+bonus.
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 04:18
+3 -0
Now, this is in conflict with what some apparent KCO Associate is claiming above. Kiiaaaaaannnn, please confirm!
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 05:02
+2 -0
Kian, wake up and update comments!
Also, fix the 'show latest comments only' link, please.
Batch of 2015 6 Apr 2015, 10:09
+3 -0
I'm scheduled to join the litigation team at Khaitan & Co., Delhi.
Seeing LI's last year report, I took my package to be 15.2 L. Now, citing this report I tell my folks it's 16.2 L!
God damn it, now you say there's a difference between Mumbai and all other offices and also in practice areas.
Say clearly in your reports that this is only for so and so practice area and for only so and so office.
Irresponsible reporting at its best!
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 10:15
+1 -1
Full explanation on all Khaitan questions coming shortly, and we'll also be issuing a proper correction once we can figure out what's going on exactly.

In a nutshell, it now turns out that the Rs 1.8 lakh bonus figure at Khaitan is not guaranteed, although a majority last year got the full bonus, apparently.

I sincerely regret the error, which appears to have been caused by a series of miscommunications and partners travelling and being unreachable over the long weekend.

Hope to explain more fully shortly once I have all the details.

Best regards,
Kian
Batch of 2015 6 Apr 2015, 10:56
+3 -0
Dude, apparent insiders here are claiming figures like 10.4 L as against the 14.4 L you've reported as the base. Forget whether the 1.8 L bonus is guaranteed in full or not, at least clarify on the principle salary!
That's 1.20 L a month as reported by you against some 86k a month as being claimed by insiders, here.
That's a hell lot of difference! I'm talking about Litigation Team at KCO, Delhi.
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 11:01
+1 -2
You could've waited for the long weekend to get over, man! Hold your horses! Your readers trust what you write and make decisions accordingly, sometimes. One could've accepted an offer relying upon your reports as to the salaries and now one could might as well end up cancelling it if it turns out she's going to, in fact, get paid some 30% less than what she thought!
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:10
+2 -2
I highly doubt any major harm was done to any students in this case, but yes, I fully agree and hold my hands up, it was an error and we are to blame for having published it.

Though in my defence, the source on the fixed bonus part was as authoritative and unequivocal on this point as could be, so I'm still trying to figure out exactly how this could have happened.

In any case, we now have an on-the-record confirmation from Khaitan partner Rabindra Jhunjhunwala that the base is Rs 14.4 lakh plus Rs 1.8 lakh bonus. Last year more than half of freshers were paid the full bonus, he said, and they expect this "trend" to continue.

Am trying to get on the record confirmation on whether the lit team in Delhi or freshers in Bangalore also gets the same. Again, our source told us that there was no differential, though they wanted to fully check internally, and I'll await formal confirmation on this.

Best regards,
Kian
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 11:23
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Harm might be done, Kian.
For my part, I will NOT join if it turns out that I'll be paid 86k a month as against 1.10 L a month which I've been assuming since last year and 1.20 L a month that I've been assuming since you reported this story, last week! Don't even talk about how I'll have to explain this to my folks.
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:28
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We'll figure out the litigation element - still awaiting formal answer from Khaitan, but for now their statement that all freshers hired directly from campus get paid the same package has not been contradicted by them. Will keep you posted.

I'm pretty sure that when they hire freshers laterally into litigation, not directly from campus, the salary might be different though.

Am happy to help and pick up the phone and explain to your parents personally if you like - do send me an email with your details if it should become an issue.
Anon 6 Apr 2015, 13:22
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[quote name="kianganz"]
Am happy to help and pick up the phone and explain to your parents personally if you like - do send me an email with your details if it should become an issue.[/quote]


Kian, were you actually serious here or were you being sarcastic?
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 13:24
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My offer was deadly serious if genuine hardship was caused, though admittedly I didn't realistically expect that there would be a need for me to go that far...
Duh 6 Apr 2015, 13:35
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Kian, why would anyone want YOU to make that kind of a phone call? I mean, how would that help the poor guy/ girl even if some hardship was indeed caused?
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 13:37
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I dunno - maybe that person is afraid of being called a liar or a show-offer by his family, which I could have explained as a genuine mistake? Jesus, I don't know what kind of dynamics there are in readers' family homes yo... ;)
Guest 7 Apr 2015, 05:02
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May be the person needs to read the offer letter and not Legally India and crib about his / her salary. Pick up the phone and talk to HR instead of wasting time on LL.
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 11:23
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Please get confirmations from other firm partners/HR directors.

Heard that many firm are increasing the salary this time as they want to match market standards.

Kian: before you prepare the salary tally, please talk to them.
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:24
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We're all over it - you might want to buy a copy of Mint tomorrow and turn to the legal page :)
Shit happens 6 Apr 2015, 11:24
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While it makes an interesting story, mistakes like this are bound to happen. Sounds like you did everything you could to verify the information.

Doubt it has prejudiced anyone, other than giving a few senior partners at other law firms some heartburn!
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:29
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Thanks, appreciate your understanding, shit does indeed happen (though an error this big is certainly embarrassing and not something I wish to repeat). :)
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:32
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Ok, got confirmation on litigation and other offices now.

Khaitan partner Rabindra Jhunjhunwala said: "No differential between salary offered to freshers at different offices or in different practice areas."

That should be good enough to satisfy your folks, I hope?

Again, I would assume that this would not apply to year zeros hired laterally from counsel practice or other firms, for instance...
Batch of 2015 6 Apr 2015, 11:45
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Cheers, buddy.
I really appreciate all your responses and also the way you admitted your lapse. Please be surer next time.
Thanks a lot. :)
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:57
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Thanks!
Guest 6 Apr 2015, 11:51
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Kian: any info if JSA and AMSS is revising the salary?
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 11:57
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Grab a copy of Mint tomorrow to find out :)
KCO 6 Apr 2015, 12:45
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K-man, maybe you should edit the main story to include Mr. Jhunjhunwala's comment.
Phew! 6 Apr 2015, 13:12
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OKAY! :D
Now I wonder what do people get by posting absolutely false comments like the ones above about 10.4 L annual. Get a life!
Anonymous Guest 6 Apr 2015, 13:01
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[quote name="kianganz"]Grab a copy of Mint tomorrow to find out :)[/quote]

@ kian: I will do that but I hope it's not vaugue stating that 'once the mediation is over, the firm will increase the salary'.
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 13:05
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It's not, but even if it were, do grab a copy, it's a great paper and ours should be an interesting article too. :)

Plus I wrote a column on which is the best national law school, which should get tempers flaring somewhat ;)
Smack 6 Apr 2015, 13:43
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Why buy the paper, you'll post both articles here later in the day, and here we also get comments :-P
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 13:44
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Yeah, but it's a good paper and it'll look pretty in print with a nice table you can cut out and keep and stuff :)
Anonymous Guest 6 Apr 2015, 13:57
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[quote name="kianganz"]Yeah, but it's a good paper and it'll look pretty in print with a nice table you can cut out and keep and stuff :)[/quote]


Kian: it is highly unlikely that azb, amss, Luthra would have confirmed salary structure. I hope all the details that you will publish tomorrow on salary structure is based on some sort of confirmation from respective firms.
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 14:19
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You're part right, it wasn't easy and it's not comprehensive...

AZB Mumbai, for instance, did not want to confirm current levels, neither did Amarchand Delhi and Luthra.

There should still be enough interesting data for you though, I hope :)
Anonymous Guest 6 Apr 2015, 16:14
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[quote name="kianganz"]You're part right, it wasn't easy and it's not comprehensive...

AZB Mumbai, for instance, did not want to confirm current levels, neither did Amarchand Delhi and Luthra.

There should still be enough interesting data for you though, I hope :)[/quote]

@ kian: heard that azb Mumbai and AMSS Mumbai are revising salary effective may 2015
Anon 6 Apr 2015, 16:16
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Any idea what is it being revised to?
Anon 6 Apr 2015, 18:52
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Kian,

Please do try and get a ballpark on AZB Mumbai fresher remuneration. I'll be joining this year and I'd really like to have some idea. And somehow 1.3 or 1.45 a month plus 3-6 months' salary as bonus seems very unrealistic.

Thanks.
Anon 6 Apr 2015, 13:57
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Does your article include remuneration structure of foreign firms as well?
kianganz 6 Apr 2015, 14:17
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Yes it does, but you can find much more information about foreign firm remuneration here and in many other places too, for instance:

http://www.rollonfriday.com/InsideInfo/UKCityFirms/tabid/68/Default.aspx
Article 7 Apr 2015, 06:55
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Kian, can't find your article online. Is there a link?
Salary Slip 6 Apr 2015, 17:56
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The buggers who r cribbing shoukd scan and upload their salary slips..
Mint 7 Apr 2015, 01:59
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Excellent and very balanced piece in Mint today
kianganz 7 Apr 2015, 06:59
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Thanks! Here's the link: http://www.livemint.com/Companies/vU1NSyLeitWFe3UioxPPvL/Salary-wars-brew-among-top-law-firms.html
Anonymous Guest 7 Apr 2015, 07:37
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[quote name="kianganz"]Thanks! Here's the link: http://www.livemint.com/Companies/vU1NSyLeitWFe3UioxPPvL/Salary-wars-brew-among-top-law-firms.html[/quote]

Kian: Luthra has increased its salary about 6 months ago, TTA has revised the salary 9 months ago and I am not sure if AMSS (Mumbai) is even revising the salary that you have quoted in your article.
kianganz 7 Apr 2015, 07:39
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TTA raised only in March: http://www.legallyindia.com/Law-firms/talwar-thakore-associates-hikes-fresher-pay-to-rs-13-l-or-rs-18-l-with-rare-top-end-bonus

Luthra, god knows - they've mostly been ignoring us for some reason for the last six months so it's very hard to get info out of them.

I hear, on the grapevine, Luthra is offering a wide variance depending on which law school you're from. For NLS, Nalsar, NUJS, they're offering top range, for second-rung in pecking order it's lower, and then there's a third, and maybe fourth 'tier' of colleges also. Can anyone confirm?

AMSS Mumbai figures are from Vandana Shroff (as quoted in the article), so they should be accurate.
Anon 7 Apr 2015, 09:04
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That is in fact true, about Luthra. Luthra's pay differential exists: NLS, NALSAR, NUJS and NLU Jodhpur in the first tier. NLU Delhi, NLIU Bhopal, GNLU, etc. in the next tier. Not sure about the third (and fourth?) tiers.

Though the NLU Delhi 2016 batch has mostly been promised a salary equivalent to their peers at NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, etc. Which is somewhere in the range of Rs. 12.5-14 lakhs, including bonus.
Tier One 7 Apr 2015, 06:03
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Kian, it would be great if you can apprise us as to which all firms have distinct salaries for the litigation team vis a visa corporate teams? Luthra is one for sure... How about others?
kianganz 7 Apr 2015, 07:00
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Luthra I hear has hardcore differentials, not just on practice areas but also on law colleges...
Anon 7 Apr 2015, 09:07
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Luthra and Khaitan both have hardcore differentials between their litigation and corporate teams. So does AZB Mumbai, maybe not at fresher level but definitely at lateral hire levels.
** 7 Apr 2015, 07:27
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Kian, do you know what firms like Bharucha pay freshers?
** 7 Apr 2015, 07:44
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Platinum or Phoenix as well ...
Mere sawalon ka Jawaab do,dona 7 Apr 2015, 08:20
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Yes please Kian. These three would be great to know! Have heard Platinum pays above AMSS and most tier-I firms. Any idea if that's true?
Insider 7 Apr 2015, 19:12
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Bharucha has offered a base salary of about 8.25 L annual to the freshers joining this July, in Mumbai.
Latest! 7 Apr 2015, 14:05
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Kian, it's a pain trying to look for the latest comment amid so many comments! Please fix the 'show latest comments only' link on this page.
kianganz 7 Apr 2015, 14:08
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Sorry, not sure why it broke :( Will see what we can do...
kianganz 7 Apr 2015, 18:50
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There you go, fixed that for you! :)

Click the 'sort comments chronologically' button and they'll magically re-arrange on the page.

If you want to go back to nested layout, you can click the 'refresh' button...

Hope this helps.
Latest! 7 Apr 2015, 19:08
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Great! Thanks. :)
Tier One 7 Apr 2015, 15:45
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Kian, is it only Luthra or other firms that pays differently to litigation and corporate teams? You've confirmed that Khaitan does not... How about JSA, AZB and AMSS?
kianganz 7 Apr 2015, 15:46
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I think a lot of firms pay differently - Khaitan doesn't at the fresher level, but at lateral level and later on, at a lot of firms the pay hikes will be largest in the transactional teams...

Can anyone confirm?
hey 26 May 2015, 20:19
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Kian, is the salary the same for fresher- ppo hires and campus recruits?