43hflqxaRSG Consulting’s 2015 ranking of India’s top 40 law firms has seen no change in the six largest Indian firms since 2013, with Amarchand Mangaldas continuing to top the rankings, followed by Khaitan & Co and AZB & Partners tied in second place.
Winning is everything (actually, no, it's only a league table, relax...)”)
Consultancy RSG India’s 2015 ranking of India’s top 40 law firms has seen no change in the six largest Indian firms since 2013, with Amarchand Mangaldas continuing to top the rankings, followed by Khaitan & Co and AZB & Partners tied in second place.
The ranking, which was circulated by a law firm today (see below), sees J Sagar Associates (JSA) in fourth position.
Luthra & Luthra and Trilegal are neck-and-neck in fifth and sixth place respectively, with Trilegal besting Luthra in the “client satisfaction score”.
S&R Associates and Economic Laws Practice (ELP), in seventh and eighth place, boast the highest client satisfaction score in the top 10 with 8.9 and 9.0 out of 10.
The ranking is compiled from 167 Indian law firms for 35 different data points, with a score out of 40 consisting of 10 maximum points each for capacity, profile, quality of mandates and client satisfaction.
Desai & Diwanji rose three places in the rankings from 2013 to ninth place, while Talwar Thakore & Associates dropped three to 10th, but still boasts a strong client satisfaction score of 8.8.
Client satisfaction is derived from 514 interviews with the firm’s own clients, graded across 12 parameters.
Wadia Ghandy, Nishith Desai Associates, Platinum Partners, Kochhar & Co and Bharucha & Partners round out the top 15.
Bharucha & Partners was the best performer compared to 2013, having jumped 12 places to 15th this year, while Dua Associates climbed 13 spots to 26th.
Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan saw the biggest drop by 12 places from seventh in 2013 to 19th this year.
ALMT Legal lost 15 places from 21st to 36th.
Full report on the top 40 rankings and highlights from the report in Mint on Tuesday.
how did K Law & Mundkur enter this table !!! Mysterious.
Aston, you idi*t27 Apr 2015, 05:26
+8-10
[quote name="Aston"]how did K Law & Mundkur enter this table !!! Mysterious.[/quote]
They entered, because they have clients who are happy. Because they are a busy bunch of smart lawyers. Got it, you astonishing prick!
Guest24 Apr 2015, 12:43
+12-10
20 partners at AZB doesn't seem correct.
Also 292 lawyers still at Luthra doesn't seem correct (wonder how long before they jump off the sinking ship).
Wonder how the CAM and SAM split will shake up the ranking.
HK lawyer24 Apr 2015, 15:06
+8-3
Azb does have approx 20 EQUITY partners. This is the confirmed position.
Lol24 Apr 2015, 12:56
+14-9
The number of lawyers at Luthra has been grossly overstated. The last time I checked it wasn't even 220
chu24 Apr 2015, 13:40
+7-4
and how did you check?
Outsider25 Apr 2015, 12:31
+4-0
He has done a Due D, probably! ;)
Pee pee26 Apr 2015, 06:38
+3-0
No, I think he or she made all Luthra lawyers stand in a queue at barakhamba road and then did a headcount.
Intern26 Apr 2015, 10:34
+6-0
He probably checked at 11AM. Only the cleaners and about 10 associates there at that time on the corporate floor
jijaji27 Apr 2015, 09:02
+1-0
we all know the facts. It can't be 292 unless Mr.Luthra denotes a plural number of counsels, and not singular.
Rabbi28 Apr 2015, 04:18
+0-0
Agree, no way it's 292. Small offices in Mumbai and Bangalore. Closer to 200 would sound about right. Also, a rather poor client satisfaction score with Luthra, the lowest in the top 10 law firms.
Why24 Apr 2015, 12:57
+6-5
Why is LKS so low
Guest24 Apr 2015, 13:10
+14-4
Why were they so high in the 2013 rankings?
Guest24 Apr 2015, 15:58
+3-1
Wash your own plates and eat bread butter sprinkled with sugar!
Latest?24 Apr 2015, 13:01
+2-0
I doubt these numbers are correct. 81 Partners at KCO? Weren't there 95+? Maybe this table was compiled prior to the recent promotions.
KCO24 Apr 2015, 13:02
+12-7
KCO for the win! Haters gonna hate.
PS - I don't work at KCO.
KCO LLP24 Apr 2015, 13:40
+14-7
KCO for the win!!
PS - I work at KCO.
WOW!24 Apr 2015, 13:03
+11-16
Post the AMSS split - KCO will be India's largest Firm and one of the best. Way to go!
Punctuation!24 Apr 2015, 13:10
+1-1
"actually, no, it's only a league table, relax..."
Try:
Actually, no. It's only a league table. Relax!
Kian, you seem to be averse to using any other punctuation mark apart from a comma.
kianganz24 Apr 2015, 13:13
+31-4
Thank. You. That. Was. Very. Enlightening.,,,,
;)
Not cool!24 Apr 2015, 13:39
+6-9
That's arrogant, Kian.
kianganz24 Apr 2015, 13:40
+31-2
Ok, I'm sorry!
(Jees, seriously though, why is everyone so sensitive nowadays... :)
Babu Ji24 Apr 2015, 13:44
+10-8
Because, thanks to your trolling/ reporting, you have distressed a many.
Kian, Karma's a bitch.
kianganz24 Apr 2015, 13:50
+7-5
Aaah, I think I finally understand what's going on - all the people who've ever been distressed with anything LI's published, not published, any comment posted on LI, the way we write, or when we were not nice to their law school, are now descending on LI to haunt me anonymously in comments?
That sounds fair. But when your trolling gets boring to anyone except me and you, I'll reserve the right to curtail your karmic retribution. Deal?
Punctuation!24 Apr 2015, 14:14
+6-0
Don't count me in on that. I pointed out a genuine flaw in your style of writing. I have nothing against you or LI apart from that. I like your website. :)
kianganz24 Apr 2015, 14:15
+3-2
I thought so - I actually enjoyed your comment (even if only a lawyer could have written it ;)
Punctuation!24 Apr 2015, 17:12
+0-0
Cheers! :)
Babu Ji24 Apr 2015, 14:27
+1-1
Kian, you need babu ji ka aashirwaad.
ThePhantom24 Apr 2015, 22:52
+0-2
[quote name="Babu Ji"]Kian, you need babu ji ka aashirwaad.[/quote]
He needs Bholenath ki aashirwaad!!
Justice26 Apr 2015, 10:40
+2-0
I think Kian is Batman.
Lol!24 Apr 2015, 13:41
+1-0
Ya, there's something weird about the way Kian writes. Even in comments. Long sentences with frequent commas. Bad. But, what the heck?!
kianganz24 Apr 2015, 13:42
+12-0
Now I'm self conscious. :p
(German's my mother tongue; they love long sentences)
Bottas24 Apr 2015, 18:24
+3-0
German? Whats your real name Kian? Own up now. Kian is not a German name and Ganz doesnt sound like a German surname.Kian Ganz Mueller?
ThePhantom24 Apr 2015, 22:56
+4-0
[quote name="Bottas"]German? Whats your real name Kian? Own up now. Kian is not a German name and Ganz doesnt sound like a German surname.Kian Ganz Mueller?[/quote]
Kian is a German spy in the country to influence political and legal situations. He is being funded by a foreign enemy source. Any investigations into Kian's Swiss bank accounts? Prachi as joint account holder? :P
kianganz25 Apr 2015, 06:03
+0-0
Ganz is totally a German name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Ganz
Guest24 Apr 2015, 13:11
+0-0
Kian where can one read the full report?
kianganz24 Apr 2015, 13:12
+0-2
You have to buy it for several lakhs I believe... We'll be featuring some more details from the report in Mint on Tuesday...
chu24 Apr 2015, 13:43
+0-0
kian, what are the asterisks in the table for? do they mean unconfirmed figures?
kianganz25 Apr 2015, 05:59
+0-0
Sorry for the delay - asterisks are "Estimates from RSG's research" - will add a note to the table.
Bappi da24 Apr 2015, 13:48
+36-3
Kochhar has the second highest client satisfaction score. At 9.2 !! Wow! Both their clients are very happy, it seems :)
Sona Kitna Sona Re24 Apr 2015, 17:16
+2-1
[quote name="Bappi da"]Kochhar has the second highest client satisfaction score. At 9.2 !! Wow! Both their clients are very happy, it seems :)[/quote]
Either that or their clients have "lower" expectations. Kian - how many featured and acknowledged lawyers in these firms and who are the ones in the top 5 firms? Those numbers and names matter as they bring the firm the scores and client ratings.
Hero No.125 Apr 2015, 05:19
+0-0
[quote name="Sona Kitna Sona Re"][quote name="Bappi da"]Kochhar has the second highest client satisfaction score. At 9.2 !! Wow! Both their clients are very happy, it seems :)[/quote]
Either that or their clients have "lower" expectations. Kian - how many featured and acknowledged lawyers in these firms and who are the ones in the top 5 firms? Those numbers and names matter as they bring the firm the scores and client ratings.[/quote]
you seems to belong from so called "top 5 firms" so naive "grow up boy law is not about doing the same set of documentation again and again" cheers..!!!
Kian do you believe these rankings are fair..??? 9.2 giving me cramps
kianganz25 Apr 2015, 05:27
+4-0
I think it's possible to game client reviews slightly, by:
1. Only referring very happy prime client contacts to the researchers, 2. Briefing clients in advance that they should please be super nice (and maybe incentivising them in some way).
That said, if clients give good reviews, at some level, some clients must kind of like a firm.
Kochhar, perhaps to the surprise of some, does actually have a reputation for pretty good quality management and they work almost 50% for foreign companies. They might not pick up the marquee deals, but in the commercial sphere they have pretty wide reach and are clearly able to deliver to some of their clients.
So yeah - treat the rankings with a large pinch of salt, but RSG's efforts are a pretty rigorous attempt at a trustworthy ranking, in my humble opinion.
Not So khachhar..!!!25 Apr 2015, 05:59
+0-1
[quote name="kianganz"]I think it's possible to game client reviews slightly, by:
1. Only referring very happy prime client contacts to the researchers, 2. Briefing clients in advance that they should please be super nice (and maybe incentivising them in some way).
That said, if clients give good reviews, at some level, some clients, must kind of like a firm.
Kochhar, perhaps to the surprise of some, does actually have a reputation for pretty good quality management and they work almost 50% for foreign companies. They might not pick up the marquee deals, but in the commercial sphere they have pretty wide reach and are clearly able to deliver to some of their clients.
So yeah - treat the rankings with a large pinch of salt, but RSG's efforts are a pretty rigorous attempt at a trustworthy ranking, in my humble opinion.[/quote]
Apart from few real estate champs perpetually doing leases, kochhar has a pretty good pool of young, smart & intelligent lawyers having a good insight of law, unlike many zealots here who are struggling to make their identity flaunting the only things they have name of "top 5 firms" .... seriously bunch of losers, be a sport :P
Client24 Apr 2015, 19:07
+1-1
I'm surprised they're only the second highest. Kochhar team is truly satisfying. Until some other firm can really beat them. Looks unlikely since even Tatva Legal seems to be moving away from the same game.
Die!!24 Apr 2015, 14:55
+23-1
Majmudar with 89 lawyers!! In its entire history put together, I don't think they've had 89 lawyers....someone needs to check this properly...
SnotR24 Apr 2015, 15:15
+6-0
Interesting. what has happened to platinum? Why so low?
Anonymous24 Apr 2015, 19:43
+3-0
Surprising right? Considering they're retaining most of their talent, they should've escalated.
just curious!!24 Apr 2015, 15:36
+0-2
What went so wrong with ALMT?...and no crawford bayley in this list? both of them are doing pretty good i guess..
vanquish24 Apr 2015, 16:03
+0-0
..Finsec also not in the list!! Crawford has been featured on LI for some of their deals in the last 1yr or so.
ThePhantom24 Apr 2015, 22:58
+0-0
[quote name="just curious!!"]What went so wrong with ALMT?...and no crawford bayley in this list? both of them are doing pretty good i guess..[/quote]
Somethings wrong with ALMT since 6-7 years. It has always been on a decline and is continuing its trend. Post Clasis split ALMT were always on the downward trend. Well, Clasis has itself vanished now!!
CBco24 Apr 2015, 15:49
+1-3
Crawford Bayley doesn't figure anywhere in the list while K Law is there, just shows how FLAWED these rankings are! What the heck is SB Partners doing there, nobody has even heard of it!
ThePhantom24 Apr 2015, 23:00
+1-4
[quote name="CBco"]Crawford Bayley doesn't figure anywhere in the list while K Law is there, just shows how FLAWED these rankings are! What the heck is SB Partners doing there, nobody has even heard of it![/quote]
You are really comparing Crawford to K Law? These rankings are not based on the age of the law firms!! K Law has top clientele, Crawford is absolutely nothing. K Law pays freshers salaries which is thrice the amount Crawford does! Crawford is only Sanjay Asher, nothing else!!
vanquish25 Apr 2015, 11:53
+0-0
agree with the Sanjay Asher part but i would be very surprised about the clientele part you mentioned!! Salary being 3 times more is highly doubtful!!
Outsider25 Apr 2015, 12:37
+4-0
Crawford just offered a fresher 10.5 in Mumbai. So, unless K Law is dealing in diamonds, I doubt the disparity in salary is as high as perceived.
vanquish25 Apr 2015, 16:54
+1-0
are you serious? must be from some NLS !
NLS26 Apr 2015, 08:41
+1-0
SKA recruited seven associates from NLS in the year 2010. As of date the starting salary is 60 K + 1 Lac joining bonus + Assured bonus of 3 Lacs at the end of Fiscal + Mobile Expenses.
NLS 201026 Apr 2015, 10:49
+3-0
Not true.
vanquish26 Apr 2015, 13:26
+1-0
I know this for a fact that even Associate Partners in CB are not paid 10lac p.a.! I am not talking about Sanjay Asher's team though.Don't think he has 'Associate Partners' in his team. He pays more to his Associates than the other partners.
Outsider26 Apr 2015, 14:55
+2-0
Yes, I believe this offer originated from SA's team only.
ThePhantom26 Apr 2015, 10:53
+0-0
[quote name="vanquish"]are you serious? must be from some NLS ![/quote]
Yes Crawford hires around 1-2 from NLS for Sanjay Ashers team in Capital Markets for such salary. Please do not tell me every fresh Associate is offered 10.5. We all know that Crawford offers freshers 10-25k per month. Apart from the Capital Markets practice of Sanjay Asher, Crawford Bayley does not have much.
AAP27 Apr 2015, 10:01
+0-0
Remember Sun Phrama, Pipavav, ONGC...
Outsider26 Apr 2015, 14:54
+1-0
Nope. From a traditional law university, no less! The offer was refused, though.
K26 Apr 2015, 15:46
+0-0
any idea how much associates from Shah/Buch team are paid?
fact sheet27 Apr 2015, 05:30
+0-0
[quote name="vanquish"]agree with the Sanjay Asher part but i would be very surprised about the clientele part you mentioned!! Salary being 3 times more is highly doubtful!![/quote]
It's surprising.. But, it's actually true. That's a fact.
AAP26 Apr 2015, 08:35
+0-6
Have you ever travelled in business class, SKA provides that also...
ThePhantom26 Apr 2015, 10:55
+0-0
[quote name="AAP"]Have you ever travelled in business class, SKA provides that also...[/quote]
What is SKA? I guess Associate of all top law firms travel by business class. Unless you do not wish to over bill a client. Law firms have been trying to cut on OP's these days. SKA a law firm or partner would surely not be paying for business class from his own pockets, it would be ultimately be paid by clients. So what is your point?
CB26 Apr 2015, 13:27
+0-0
Sanjay K Asher
ThePhantom26 Apr 2015, 17:55
+0-0
[quote name="CB"]Sanjay K Asher[/quote]
Ohh ok
cattle class26 Apr 2015, 11:40
+12-0
oh wow! I want to join this Firm. I have never travelled business class in my life. Imagine, what thrill to travel business class. I should make all my career decisions based on the class of travel. Does this firm allow you to fly vistara, jet or air india - as I will apply to this firm based on the airline in which the associates travel. I don't care if I make 25k or 60k, or the type of work or the tier of the firm, so long as I get to travel business class.
Make hay24 Apr 2015, 16:27
+4-4
KCO can feel happy about this. Until tomorrow when it goes back to paying the moon to retain senior and principal associated, only to have them poached. KCO Mumbai might be better off but the Delhi office is in dire straits.
Ya?24 Apr 2015, 17:14
+0-0
Do you work in the Delhi office? Ha.
money for nothing25 Apr 2015, 04:07
+3-4
Dire straits huh...just another fantastic year end for us and bumper bonuses for all associates..but chal no worries.. you continue the good fight..
Sho24 Apr 2015, 16:30
+6-4
No lexygen, shocking..
ThePhantom24 Apr 2015, 23:13
+4-9
[quote name="Sho"]No lexygen, shocking..[/quote]
Are you some bl00dy partner of Lexygen? Any report, ranking, league table is out and you come posting about Lexygen. As advertising is banned, do you think posting about some Lexygen on every post of Legally India will get you clients? [...]
The website looks more of an advertisement than a law firm. Just like your posts and comments here. Would be interesting to refer your website to BCI and get their views. Probably you might be in the news very soon!!
- The Phantom will strike.....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ThePhantom
kianganz25 Apr 2015, 05:05
+2-5
Actually, I think this Lexygen guy is a troll, mentioning Lexygen in posts because not much has been heard about the firm for a few years after initially having been covered by LI when it started up, as a promising start-up: http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/lexygen
However, these days Lexygen keeps a fairly low profile, so this troll might either be some ex-Lexygen person wanting more Lexygen coverage, or just pointing out that Lexygen has not grown as much as people once hoped it might...
The comments are a bit obnoxious but haven't moderated them too often for now. Should we do so more often? They're not offensive or inappropriate, per se, they're just a bit of an LI meme it seems.
Yes25 Apr 2015, 13:05
+0-0
You must moderate.
Law25 Apr 2015, 18:29
+1-2
Isnt it one if the knwon kaw firms in bangalore?
Old timer at LI25 Apr 2015, 22:22
+1-1
Don't moderate, please? (S)he has not hurt anyone. It's part of those little things which only old timers on the comment section understand. Like the comment from Scooter or HK Lawyer,etc.
It adds flavour to LI.
ThePhantom26 Apr 2015, 10:59
+0-5
[quote name="kianganz"]Actually, I think this Lexygen guy is a troll, mentioning Lexygen in posts because not much has been heard about the firm for a few years after initially having been covered by LI when it started up, as a promising start-up: http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/lexygen
However, these days Lexygen keeps a fairly low profile, so this troll might either be some ex-Lexygen person wanting more Lexygen coverage, or just pointing out that Lexygen has not grown as much as people once hoped it might...
The comments are a bit obnoxious but haven't moderated them too often for now. Should we do so more often? They're not offensive or inappropriate, per se, they're just a bit of an LI meme it seems.[/quote]
I do not think it can be moderated, as such comments do not violate any rules. It seems like a current Associate who wants or wishes Lexygen be in the news by reminding the public about it. However, the more comments he posts just proves and reminds us that Lexygen is no where now. Not to forget, people might just visit their website to see all the advertisements and complain to BCI.
Strike25 Apr 2015, 13:04
+1-0
Striker :)
Observer24 Apr 2015, 17:54
+9-8
Interesting how (conveniently) AZB and KCO tie for the second spot two years running. JSA should be third as a consequence. If there is no difference between AZB and KCO.
TTA needs to hire some big names to move up the ladder. The top 5 will always be only full service firms and not niche boutique firms.
Insider25 Apr 2015, 17:08
+7-1
TTAs big names retired many years ago - 2010 like. seems to have done them good so no need for more "big names". So called big names in India firms usually have big egos and nothing else.
What they need is more practice areas. Look at similar firms in the rankings and it tells the story. snR does lit as well. Platinum does no finance. Message is you need to cover more areas to rise up the rankings.
But do any of the partners of these firms care about random rankings from people like RSG? They should care more about quality and profitability and paying and treating associates well. You can't beat firms like TTA and Khaitan (now) for that.
Shocked!24 Apr 2015, 19:44
+3-6
LKS falls SOO low? Why? They are exceptional in their field.
Not from LKS26 Apr 2015, 14:15
+5-1
A new Geneva office - Expansion into corporate in a strong manner to capitalize on their huge tax client base by servicing them for their corporate work as well - Badri taking the Mumbai mandate with focus and vision - Hiring people like Ex- Bharti GC, Ex Ambassadors of India, Founding Partners of other firms and from foreign law firms etc since the last RSG report - Wonder who in LKS cheesed Reena off?
Just Another Lawyer27 Apr 2015, 05:10
+2-0
Ultimately what matters is quality and not pedigree or size, a reason why a 53 lawyer sized S & R is ahead of many law firms having more than 100 lawyers, located in multiple cities.
Legal Bird1 May 2015, 13:02
+1-0
While hiring ex GCs and Ex Ambassadors and stars from firms ranked much lower to them, it seems, they have forgotten to hire the real guys who would get the job done - the average hardworking Joe/ Jill of a tier-1 law firm. He might not be a star, but he/ she is the one who gets the job, day in day out.
Having said that, I am not against hiring ex GCs and ex Ambassadors or Stars, as these are the ones who are the rainmakers. PS: I might be entirely wrong in my analysis, (I really wish I am), because I want firms like LKS to do well. :)
Guest25 Apr 2015, 04:09
+31-2
This table looks completely rubbish.. Like no effort is made at all.. It's about time a India based survey looked at this instead of these foreign ones who really don't know what's happening in the Indian market! I don't think UK lawyers would give any importance to random surveys conducted by some Indian guys!
Agree25 Apr 2015, 08:13
+12-1
i think this time they have done a really bad job for these rankings.. they should have skipped this year if they werent ready to go to print!
Should have wished26 Apr 2015, 14:17
+2-0
Just was added on twitter by some new guys claiming to do exactly that. twitter.com/magiclawyers
Guest25 Apr 2015, 04:52
+0-4
Phoenix topping the charts again.
Really?25 Apr 2015, 17:10
+2-0
Just in case you didn't notice, it actually fell down a place ..
Yawn25 Apr 2015, 08:05
+10-12
ELP, highest client satisfaction? You must be joking. What about staff satisfaction? Exodus on.
Guest25 Apr 2015, 22:24
+8-5
[quote name="Yawn"]ELP, highest client satisfaction? You must be joking. What about staff satisfaction? Exodus on.[/quote] Haters going to hate.....you guys are pathetic....leave if you're so unhappy....there are plenty of people that love working at one of highest revenue per lawyer firms in the country....
Anon25 Apr 2015, 22:30
+5-3
[quote name="Yawn"]ELP, highest client satisfaction? You must be joking. What about staff satisfaction? Exodus on.[/quote] Really like you're a client... sure buddy....Unless the exodus is in Tax, Lit or Competition I doubt the firms MP will even care
Yawn26 Apr 2015, 06:53
+3-8
Funnily enough, it is. Across all teams. And they do not care. That's for sure.
Blored25 Apr 2015, 08:39
+5-1
I dunno whether Rsg has considered Blore market in depth before making this list. It seems like firms having Mumbai n Delhi have been ranked high even though they don't have any presence in the entire south market. For example: Take Lks n Elp in Blore market. Lks rules the roost in Blore market in indirect tax n Elp is actually unheard in Blore market. Luthra in Bangalore is again as good as non-existing in Blore. Khaitan is struggling to build its presence in Blore. Wadia has shut shop. Kian,what do you think ?? Blore isn't a small market to ignore. It is the third biggest after Mumbai n Del.
Chai Chai lelo vakilon wali25 Apr 2015, 09:44
+7-0
and I thought Bar (Cheers...!!!) Council of India Rules prohibits Advertisement..!!! 3 cheers to the ingenuity shown..!!!
anyways my law office also won prestigious legal KHEERA lallantop laaaa firm of the year award 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 (done be surprised i booked/purchased them for coming three years in advance). conspicuously, now my firm is on the top..:)
lollypop..!!25 Apr 2015, 10:00
+14-0
can anyone will enlighten what is RSG India and why r they into such stupid business of ranking Law Firms.. since they are into this kind of stupidity i request them to now provide ranking of Senior Counsel's in HC & SC, Juniour advocates, court clerks, peons in various law offices, samosa wala in delhi high court etc., KIAN you reporting this seriously means there is dearth of quality legal news in the market (flattered kyun :P)
Lollipop wala26 Apr 2015, 17:20
+2-1
Don't forget me. I am the best lollipopper in India. Meh Meh Court Babu!
lollypop..!!27 Apr 2015, 04:54
+3-0
[quote name="Lollipop wala"]Don't forget me. I am the best lollipopper in India. Meh Meh Court Babu![/quote]
how can i Forget you my friend, entire court knows how fond you are of lollypop's..:P
Curious!25 Apr 2015, 18:52
+9-0
I'm curious to know if 'employee satisfaction' is one of the parameters they judge the Firms on? If yes, then, can we please see those scores, Kian?
Yawn26 Apr 2015, 06:50
+0-0
Definitely not. Apparently all that matters is the client's satisfaction. If employee satisfaction was a factor, a lot of firms would come tumbling down from their perches. Sad but true how unhappy and miserable most corporate lawyers are. #truestory
Unlogisch26 Apr 2015, 05:04
+0-0
Kian: It would be nice to see you analyse the rankings methodology in a bit more detail. They do seem flawed and more in favour of firms that do 'corporate' work and they appear to compare apples with almost a mutton roll. For e.g., S&R, which no doubt are brilliant if one goes by reputation of the partners, still miss out a nice chunk of the interesting and intense infrastructure work but continue to enjoy a very high rating. Notwithstanding the brilliance of the individuals, they really do a limited type of work - mostly in the corporate and high value disputes space. Trilegal, which has three very strong offices and does a much wider variety of work (might be disliked by quite a few but still have excellent teams across their 3 main offices), is ahead of S&R by a mere 1.1 points. Kochhar does a lot of foreign client work but most of it is the entry level work - arguably they do not compete with the significant teams of even some of the smaller law firms and probably compete more with the accounting firms on that type of work. These can't be compared to firms that do a mix of corporate, disputes and intense projects/infrastructure work. HSA and Phoenix which apparently do significant work in the infrastructure sector work, other than corporate and disputes, have lost points while Kochhar has gained 4 points. If HSA could lose 7 points then its either that Reena got it wrong the first time or thius time, especially since they got the entire regulatory disputes team from Trilegal recently. All this sounds a bit unconvincing.
Not from HSA26 Apr 2015, 14:02
+3-1
True that - HSA's clientele has increased - No. of Partners is up - Very good top level hires this year with Abeezar and Sakya coming in - Rumour has it that they are building up for more top level hires, including a top contact man - Complete regulatory team from Trilegal in as well as their clients - Billing must have increased as well - All partners pulling their own weight in terms of client relationships and business generation - Only thing I can think of is that one of the Partners cheesed Reena off?
Tharki26 Apr 2015, 05:08
+0-0
HSA itna neeche kaise?
dhinchak26 Apr 2015, 11:13
+1-0
HSA itna upar kaise?
Guest26 Apr 2015, 06:25
+9-1
All these ranking reports are a farce and most of them are paid for. Take them with a huge pinch of salt. Kian has mentioned above that the entire report costs a few lakhs. Why the F***would anyone pay a few lakhs to buy this report? As if GCs in India are going to make their decisions (of hiring law firms) based on this RSG Report
Baby baby26 Apr 2015, 10:27
+13-2
I want to smoke what Reena was smoking when she compiled the report
Oh Yeah26 Apr 2015, 15:55
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I would pay a few lakhs for a puff of that! ; )
BTW since AMSS will be extinct I wonder if RSG will modify its rankings to include a new number one? Also how will they include SAM and CAM considering they have just started?
AnonymousPoet26 Apr 2015, 17:31
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Mirror mirror on Reena's wall, Who's the best firm of us all, The one which pays me the most, Dollars, Pounds, Francs in every post, Speak to your friends and subjects I will, And to the clients you did not bill, Like Gandhi's monkeys I shan't hear, or see or tell, When you pay me in a currency, I like whose smell, So what if your Partners and slaves leave your ship, I will make you look a benign angel, just mind my tip! Pay per use..hell, no this is pay for views!!!
kianganz26 Apr 2015, 17:44
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Normally would have moderated this comment for implying bribery, but have published because:
1. I have not ever heard of any allegation that the RSG reports are pay=to-play or otherwise amenable to bribery, 2. it was a cute poem and could reasonably be in the realm of satire.
Bling27 Apr 2015, 06:02
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As I had mentioned ... Your interpretation of defamation is entirely convenience based... The above is certainly defamatory... I just wish that you were sufficiently important for RSG to sue your ***
kianganz27 Apr 2015, 07:00
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Bling! You're still here! Yay!
1. If it's immediately followed by a comment classing it as a satirical, untrue allegation, I think that considerably tempers the defamatory aspect.
2. I'm fairly sure that Reena is not the type to get hung up over an anon poem on a website, unlike you.. .
Guest1 Jul 2015, 21:11
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I am surprised to see Juris Corp Moving up. but its just matter of time before they are brought down on earth again. with 2 partners moving out and 2 new emergency partners appointed in hustle and bustle will show the result. The approach of certain Partners is completely uncalled for, but its not their fault either. Its one man army who controls the firm without much considering the views of other so called partners.
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They entered, because they have clients who are happy. Because they are a busy bunch of smart lawyers. Got it, you astonishing prick!
Also 292 lawyers still at Luthra doesn't seem correct (wonder how long before they jump off the sinking ship).
Wonder how the CAM and SAM split will shake up the ranking.
PS - I don't work at KCO.
PS - I work at KCO.
Try:
Actually, no. It's only a league table. Relax!
Kian, you seem to be averse to using any other punctuation mark apart from a comma.
;)
(Jees, seriously though, why is everyone so sensitive nowadays... :)
Kian, Karma's a bitch.
That sounds fair. But when your trolling gets boring to anyone except me and you, I'll reserve the right to curtail your karmic retribution. Deal?
He needs Bholenath ki aashirwaad!!
But, what the heck?!
(German's my mother tongue; they love long sentences)
Whats your real name Kian? Own up now. Kian is not a German name and Ganz doesnt sound like a German surname.Kian Ganz Mueller?
Whats your real name Kian? Own up now. Kian is not a German name and Ganz doesnt sound like a German surname.Kian Ganz Mueller?[/quote]
Kian is a German spy in the country to influence political and legal situations. He is being funded by a foreign enemy source. Any investigations into Kian's Swiss bank accounts? Prachi as joint account holder? :P
Wow! Both their clients are very happy, it seems :)
Wow! Both their clients are very happy, it seems :)[/quote]
Either that or their clients have "lower" expectations. Kian - how many featured and acknowledged lawyers in these firms and who are the ones in the top 5 firms? Those numbers and names matter as they bring the firm the scores and client ratings.
Wow! Both their clients are very happy, it seems :)[/quote]
Either that or their clients have "lower" expectations. Kian - how many featured and acknowledged lawyers in these firms and who are the ones in the top 5 firms? Those numbers and names matter as they bring the firm the scores and client ratings.[/quote]
you seems to belong from so called "top 5 firms" so naive "grow up boy law is not about doing the same set of documentation again and again" cheers..!!!
Kian do you believe these rankings are fair..??? 9.2 giving me cramps
1. Only referring very happy prime client contacts to the researchers,
2. Briefing clients in advance that they should please be super nice (and maybe incentivising them in some way).
That said, if clients give good reviews, at some level, some clients must kind of like a firm.
Kochhar, perhaps to the surprise of some, does actually have a reputation for pretty good quality management and they work almost 50% for foreign companies. They might not pick up the marquee deals, but in the commercial sphere they have pretty wide reach and are clearly able to deliver to some of their clients.
So yeah - treat the rankings with a large pinch of salt, but RSG's efforts are a pretty rigorous attempt at a trustworthy ranking, in my humble opinion.
1. Only referring very happy prime client contacts to the researchers,
2. Briefing clients in advance that they should please be super nice (and maybe incentivising them in some way).
That said, if clients give good reviews, at some level, some clients, must kind of like a firm.
Kochhar, perhaps to the surprise of some, does actually have a reputation for pretty good quality management and they work almost 50% for foreign companies. They might not pick up the marquee deals, but in the commercial sphere they have pretty wide reach and are clearly able to deliver to some of their clients.
So yeah - treat the rankings with a large pinch of salt, but RSG's efforts are a pretty rigorous attempt at a trustworthy ranking, in my humble opinion.[/quote]
Apart from few real estate champs perpetually doing leases, kochhar has a pretty good pool of young, smart & intelligent lawyers having a good insight of law, unlike many zealots here who are struggling to make their identity flaunting the only things they have name of "top 5 firms" .... seriously bunch of losers, be a sport :P
Somethings wrong with ALMT since 6-7 years. It has always been on a decline and is continuing its trend. Post Clasis split ALMT were always on the downward trend. Well, Clasis has itself vanished now!!
What the heck is SB Partners doing there, nobody has even heard of it!
What the heck is SB Partners doing there, nobody has even heard of it![/quote]
You are really comparing Crawford to K Law? These rankings are not based on the age of the law firms!! K Law has top clientele, Crawford is absolutely nothing. K Law pays freshers salaries which is thrice the amount Crawford does! Crawford is only Sanjay Asher, nothing else!!
Salary being 3 times more is highly doubtful!!
Yes Crawford hires around 1-2 from NLS for Sanjay Ashers team in Capital Markets for such salary. Please do not tell me every fresh Associate is offered 10.5. We all know that Crawford offers freshers 10-25k per month. Apart from the Capital Markets practice of Sanjay Asher, Crawford Bayley does not have much.
Salary being 3 times more is highly doubtful!![/quote]
It's surprising.. But, it's actually true. That's a fact.
What is SKA? I guess Associate of all top law firms travel by business class. Unless you do not wish to over bill a client. Law firms have been trying to cut on OP's these days. SKA a law firm or partner would surely not be paying for business class from his own pockets, it would be ultimately be paid by clients. So what is your point?
Ohh ok
Are you some bl00dy partner of Lexygen? Any report, ranking, league table is out and you come posting about Lexygen. As advertising is banned, do you think posting about some Lexygen on every post of Legally India will get you clients? [...]
The website looks more of an advertisement than a law firm. Just like your posts and comments here. Would be interesting to refer your website to BCI and get their views. Probably you might be in the news very soon!!
- The Phantom will strike.....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- ThePhantom
http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/lexygen
However, these days Lexygen keeps a fairly low profile, so this troll might either be some ex-Lexygen person wanting more Lexygen coverage, or just pointing out that Lexygen has not grown as much as people once hoped it might...
The comments are a bit obnoxious but haven't moderated them too often for now. Should we do so more often? They're not offensive or inappropriate, per se, they're just a bit of an LI meme it seems.
It adds flavour to LI.
http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/lexygen
However, these days Lexygen keeps a fairly low profile, so this troll might either be some ex-Lexygen person wanting more Lexygen coverage, or just pointing out that Lexygen has not grown as much as people once hoped it might...
The comments are a bit obnoxious but haven't moderated them too often for now. Should we do so more often? They're not offensive or inappropriate, per se, they're just a bit of an LI meme it seems.[/quote]
I do not think it can be moderated, as such comments do not violate any rules. It seems like a current Associate who wants or wishes Lexygen be in the news by reminding the public about it. However, the more comments he posts just proves and reminds us that Lexygen is no where now. Not to forget, people might just visit their website to see all the advertisements and complain to BCI.
TTA needs to hire some big names to move up the ladder. The top 5 will always be only full service firms and not niche boutique firms.
What they need is more practice areas. Look at similar firms in the rankings and it tells the story. snR does lit as well. Platinum does no finance. Message is you need to cover more areas to rise up the rankings.
But do any of the partners of these firms care about random rankings from people like RSG? They should care more about quality and profitability and paying and treating associates well. You can't beat firms like TTA and Khaitan (now) for that.
Having said that, I am not against hiring ex GCs and ex Ambassadors or Stars, as these are the ones who are the rainmakers. PS: I might be entirely wrong in my analysis, (I really wish I am), because I want firms like LKS to do well. :)
Haters going to hate.....you guys are pathetic....leave if you're so unhappy....there are plenty of people that love working at one of highest revenue per lawyer firms in the country....
Really like you're a client... sure buddy....Unless the exodus is in Tax, Lit or Competition I doubt the firms MP will even care
anyways my law office also won prestigious legal KHEERA lallantop laaaa firm of the year award 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 (done be surprised i booked/purchased them for coming three years in advance). conspicuously, now my firm is on the top..:)
how can i Forget you my friend, entire court knows how fond you are of lollypop's..:P
BTW since AMSS will be extinct I wonder if RSG will modify its rankings to include a new number one? Also how will they include SAM and CAM considering they have just started?
Who's the best firm of us all,
The one which pays me the most,
Dollars, Pounds, Francs in every post,
Speak to your friends and subjects I will,
And to the clients you did not bill,
Like Gandhi's monkeys I shan't hear, or see or tell,
When you pay me in a currency, I like whose smell,
So what if your Partners and slaves leave your ship,
I will make you look a benign angel, just mind my tip!
Pay per use..hell, no this is pay for views!!!
1. I have not ever heard of any allegation that the RSG reports are pay=to-play or otherwise amenable to bribery,
2. it was a cute poem and could reasonably be in the realm of satire.
1. If it's immediately followed by a comment classing it as a satirical, untrue allegation, I think that considerably tempers the defamatory aspect.
2. I'm fairly sure that Reena is not the type to get hung up over an anon poem on a website, unlike you.. .
Good luck Juris Corp & Mr. Jayesh!