Shardul Shroff in talks to open offices on brother's turf as mechanics of 2 Amarchands raised in mediation [Update-1]

Amarchand Mangaldas Delhi, led by the region’s managing partner Shardul Shroff, has been in acquisition talks with lawyers and at least one law firm in cities falling under the management of Mumbai-based managing partner Cyril, as the two brothers have been embroiled in a protracted mediation that is startting to look all but certain to result in a break-up into two firms.

According to sources, Amarchand Delhi has been in early-stage talks with lawyers in Mumbai and Bangalore to open up offices in the cities after the mediation concludes by year-end.

Management at Amarchand has been divided between the two brothers along two regions: the Mumbai region under Cyril includes Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad, while Delhi oversees Kolkata, Ahmedabad and Gurgaon.

All signs now point towards a 2015 break-up of India’s largest firm into two separate entities along filial lines, following Shardul filing in the Bombay high court over the will of their mother, who held the single largest equity stake in the firm.

It is understood that discussions in the mediation now also include a likely separation, with proposals ranging from allowing both brothers to use the Amarchand Mangaldas brand name, as well as an agreement prohibiting the poaching of each other’s lawyers in the case of a split. The mediations are presided over by investment banker & JM Financial founder Nimesh Kampani, senior counsel Harish Salve, Justice BN Srikrishna.

Shardul Shroff did not respond to an email seeking comment and a Delhi spokesperson declined to comment. Amarchand Mumbai also declined to comment.

Update 8:05pm: Shardul Shroff commented by email: “You have published your article on LegallyIndia without waiting for my reply. It is a completely inaccurate report.

“The mediation is ongoing and there is no truth to the rumours published by you in relation to talks with any lawyers to open offices in Mumbai or Bangalore and splitting the brand between Cyril and me or a non-poaching agreement between Cyril and me. These are all conjectures that you have carried and you should immediately withdraw this article.”

Legally India had reported in November that sources close to the Mumbai side of the dispute expected mediation to move towards a break-up.

The court-agreed mediation is set to conclude on 31 December 2014, with the court having agreed to extend the deadline for Cyril to file his potentially explosive counter-affidavit until year-end.

Comments

NUJS Boi 22 Dec 2014, 12:53
+9 -36
Looks like Shardul might just consider Cyril's protege Rohit Das. Makes good sense for both parties.
musseli 22 Dec 2014, 14:03
+26 -4
Hahahahahahahaha!
hahaha 23 Dec 2014, 05:49
+45 -14
Get over Rohit Das for god's sake. He may be the smartest guy to ever happen to NUJS but I have news for you - the world is much bigger than NUJS. Grow up!
abc 22 Dec 2014, 13:16
+4 -2
Whats the real newsworthy bit ? Which lawyers / firms are they in talks with ?
Guest 22 Dec 2014, 13:19
+12 -2
Any non-poaching arrangement between brothers unanimously taking away the choice from associates would seriously impact the morale of existing bench.
2 bits 22 Dec 2014, 13:46
+5 -3
I would assumed Barucha & Co would have been an ideal candidate for Bombay launch!
2 tits 22 Dec 2014, 15:17
+10 -3
Bharucha & Partners, u t(w)it
Hildul Kii Jai HO 22 Dec 2014, 15:17
+8 -14
What's the news in this ? This was inevitable when suit was filed. No other outcome can happen apparently Shardul will start from the erstwhile prabhadevi offices of Cyril before they moved to parel. He has been planning this for so long with mummy . Jai HO hildul also takes sole responsibility for destroying a 97 year old firm for his greed . Jai HO .
Be careful 22 Dec 2014, 16:12
+20 -7
When you write comments. Referring to the late Mrs Bharati Shroff as your mummy has given away your identity. Jai ho!
Anon 22 Dec 2014, 15:29
+5 -5
Nothing is. Proved unless officially denied
P k 22 Dec 2014, 15:42
+14 -10
Why is SSS in a hurry . Mumbai is a huge market and not easy to conquer . . Does hildul think that by descending from a spaceship into Mumbai he is going to succeed. Firstly he will need to live down causing the death of a firm. Mumbai folks may never forgive him for his short sided ness

First let him redeem his reputation in the legal market as a person who values institutions . His reputation is in tatters .

Nobody gives him any chance in Mumbai as a long term player . He should just count mummy's money and retire from practice . He does not need to work anymore with all the loot
Cyril ka teesra bhai 23 Dec 2014, 03:31
+2 -1
Say that to anil ambani
Dilli girlfriend 22 Dec 2014, 15:46
+3 -2
Almt it is. Not Bharucha .been on the block for long

Apparently hildul has met them twice
All-Empty 23 Dec 2014, 04:56
+0 -0
And....and....
The only founding partner left at ALMT is also a former Amarchand Lawyer
Justice 22 Dec 2014, 15:54
+7 -4
Best punishment for Shardul would be to merge with Bharucha
Party pooper 22 Dec 2014, 16:05
+9 -0
We were so looking forward to a nice fight . Shame that its getting settled

2015 going to be really boring
Neutral Well Wisher 22 Dec 2014, 16:13
+3 -2
What are these brothers behind? Why do they want more money, when they have tonnes of it?

Why cant one in them take a matured approach and give up to his own brother?

What are they going to take away ultimately? apparantely nothing.

Atleast they can save (when they are alive) a big firm's breakaway.
hubba 23 Dec 2014, 06:07
+18 -1
Sir/Madam,

Appreciate the sentiments. But please proofread before posting.
Neutral Well Wisher 23 Dec 2014, 09:42
+1 -5
Can you tell me whats the mistake you found
Proofreader-Hubba 2 Jan 2015, 17:17
+0 -3
It seems you will not go beyond proofread! You will forever be one of those associates who gets to proofread the document and never get an opportunity to work in a transaction. This is best suited to people (under achiever) like you. Please proofread my comment too!!
Neutered Well Wisher 23 Dec 2014, 08:54
+5 -2
Dude, they fought over the ashes of their deceased mother as per an rticle in Mumbai Mirror. You think they'll let this go!
5, 7 and 8 22 Dec 2014, 16:14
+1 -3
Kian, pls confirm based on IP addresses whether 5, 7 and 8 are from the same person? Such trolling should not be permitted.
Cyril ka teesra bhai 23 Dec 2014, 03:33
+5 -2
Its market gossip. Why are u getting worked up.
Crazy 22 Dec 2014, 16:27
+2 -5
Why so much attention on this stupid case
Watching from Bombay 23 Dec 2014, 05:45
+9 -2
If one decides to quit now and sit on the bench before the non-poaching agreement is signed, will that preclude him from joining the other arm. Will the agreement be retrospective.
Cat 23 Dec 2014, 05:58
+0 -0
Should be "starting" in the first paragraph.
Khaitan & Co. 23 Dec 2014, 07:35
+23 -0
The Joy !
bantadhar 23 Dec 2014, 11:39
+3 -2
mutual anti-poaching and prior understanding with Zia means that Luthra,Trilegal and Khaitan should look behind their backs, mentioned in ascending order the difficulty in poaching.
Poacher 24 Dec 2014, 06:17
+1 -1
Why not JSA? They should be easy to poach too?
@ Poacher 7 Jan 2015, 06:08
+0 -0
JSA associates are, somehow, pretty average.
@Kian 24 Dec 2014, 02:38
+5 -2
Please could we have your comments on the update-containing email from Shardul.

Was your initial report wrong, misleading or irresponsible or is Shardul not providing the true picture by denying and is lying?

In my personal opinion, if story of a journalist (hope you consider yourself one ;) ) is challenged, it should be defended!

Look forward to your comments! A little evidence to support your story would also be welcome.

Just to clarify, I am not interested in who is or is not talking to Shardul. All I am interested in knowing is that how much importance should I give to LI stories in future and how much is the credibility of Kian/LI.
kianganz 24 Dec 2014, 06:07
+4 -5
I stand by the story and our sources but in light of the sensitivities surrounding the mediation I don't want to comment much more.

We have reported very early stage discussions akin to testing the water, rather than full blown merger / hiring discussions at this point obviously, so there's some plausible deniability. And maybe some were also initiated without the knowledge of Shardul? Have asked for a follow up comment but received none so far.

Let's wait and see how mediations go. Being smart lawyers, I'm sure both sides are considering their options about 'what if' scenarios in various ways.
Tabloid journalism 24 Dec 2014, 12:50
+4 -7
Some initiated without Shardul's knowledge and look at your headline!!! Go back to England matey!
kianganz 24 Dec 2014, 12:53
+9 -5
I doubt they were initiated without his knowledge, 'matey', but maybe that's what he is implying in his statement?
goofy 24 Dec 2014, 05:02
+13 -2
Shardul had only recently announced grandoise plans of opening offices in any one of 5 different countries. Now i guess he needs to taper down his ambitious; and start with a mumbai office first. what irony!
green lantern 24 Dec 2014, 09:46
+2 -3
As a twist in the tale, some firm (azb?) should just bid to acquire amss delhi. Maybe by luring the better partners en bloc under one roof with the promise of dignity and deal flow both. In any case Oklha's not technically legal land for a firm to operate (I could be wrong but from what I know).
hahahaha 26 Dec 2014, 10:38
+5 -1
If its dignity, then AZB is ceratinly not the right firm
Okhla 7 Jan 2015, 06:12
+0 -0
And yet, in addition to AMSS, a few other "top" law firms operate out of Okhla ("top" in terms of revenue per lawyer).
Pixie Cut Babe 24 Dec 2014, 10:59
+2 -4
Let peace prevail. Hope the new year brings in love and happiness between the brothers.
Ex-AMSS 25 Dec 2014, 04:20
+17 -7
The comments about SSS and his intent and capability by outsiders on this comments section are laughable. Let me elaborate in simple English using small words:
(1) If SSS opened office in Mumbai, clients would be readily available since he enjoys a great goodwill and SSS also presently provide huge referrals to AMSS Mumbai. No one CARES if he has allegedly destroyed a 97 year firm except a historian.
(2) Lawyers will come to him if he pays more. No lawyer in Mumbai cares about the 100 years things except Shroffs and their chamchas.There are older firms. Even existing AMSS Mumbai lawyers will shift in absence of non-poaching pact since even though SSS is a tough task master, he is fair and meritocratic unlike VCS running Mumbai who has untalented but loyal goons running things (where the ultimate sufferer is the client).

Hope that's simple enough.
Guest 25 Dec 2014, 13:51
+10 -4
[quote name="Ex-AMSS"]The comments about SSS and his intent and capability by outsiders on this comments section are laughable. Let me elaborate in simple English using small words:
(1) If SSS opened office in Mumbai, clients would be readily available since he enjoys a great goodwill and SSS also presently provide huge referrals to AMSS Mumbai. No one CARES if he has allegedly destroyed a 97 year firm except a historian.
(2) Lawyers will come to him if he pays more. No lawyer in Mumbai cares about the 100 years things except Shroffs and their chamchas.There are older firms. Even existing AMSS Mumbai lawyers will shift in absence of non-poaching pact since even though SSS is a tough task master, he is fair and meritocratic unlike VCS running Mumbai who has untalented but loyal goons running things (where the ultimate sufferer is the client).

Hope that's simple enough.[/quote]


As a take to this, mumbai offices of both the biggies , AZB and AMSS are run in a whimsical manner whereas the delhi offices are less glamourous but more secure and dignified not to mention less parochial.

I think this breakup will benefit not only AMSS Delhi lawyers who will not have a second chance to conqueor new territory in mumbai, AMSS Mumbai lawyers also benefit as a weakened Cyril is more likely to respect them.
hahahaha 26 Dec 2014, 10:39
+1 -1
Khaitan is an older Firm
Another Ex AMSS 27 Dec 2014, 07:58
+1 -8
Its obvious you belong to the SSS camp and been smoking up a bit too much, we know Manali is close to Okhla.....'Untalented but loyal', so the likes of Vishwanathan, Leena, Ashwath, Yash, Nivedita, Arjun, Santosh, Sharad, Shaneen are untalented !!! Such an idiot you are mate!

No wonder under the so called fair & meritocratic SSS, VP Singh, Pranav Sharma moved to the Mumbai offices recently...even Rishi Gautam decided to head to AZB...

Personally having worked in the Projects team under Vishwanathan, he is by far the best Projects & Infrastructure/Financing Lawyer India has today. Ask his clients who come to him again & again. I am sure its the same for Yash, Ashwath and the rest of them too....
anonymous 28 Dec 2014, 14:12
+13 -2
Pity that even after having worked with Viswanathan, you spell his name wrong!
Señor Pepe 27 Dec 2014, 15:48
+15 -2
Have you forgotten the episode sometime back where Delhi fired a PA and a junior associate but not the partner in charge? Doesn't sound like a very fair or nice place to me.
hubba 26 Dec 2014, 07:05
+26 -0
Did i mention how everybody speaks like an expert? :)
a generous comment 31 Dec 2014, 12:42
+3 -4
Good luck to both brothers. While Shardul's direction to LI to 'immediately withdraw' the article was more of the goonda 'bhai' variety. They've both done a lot for the profession and for law students graduating from law schools. Not social service, but useful in outcome.
Plato 8 Jan 2015, 19:19
+1 -0
Agreed, all said and done, they changed the game, a lot of us are beneficiaries whether we worked at AMSS or otherwise. This is a fact. Lets just wish them the best and move on with our lives.
Virat kohli 16 Jan 2015, 22:46
+0 -0
Non-poaching agreement.....wouldn't that be anti-competitive? Presumably their respective competition teams will advise them on the new competition regime.....