$34m L&L turnover revealed as Delhi HC won’t reinstate Saraf into Luthra, mediation to go till 1 Nov

Luthra revenues apparently at Rs 250 crores
Luthra revenues apparently at Rs 250 crores

The Delhi high court today did not interfere in the partnership dispute between L&L Partners co-founders Rajiv Luthra and Mohit Saraf, ordering both parties to continue mediating until 1 November, reported Bar & Bench.

Senior advocate Parag Tripathi argued for Saraf in court and tried to convince the court that his client should get access to his firm’s email account again and be reinstated as a partner:

What will be the disadvantage caused to them if I’m allowed access? Of course accounts can be maintained. Luthra is still running the show. Why should I be shut out? It is the money which will be paid to the firm. I’m not taking it.

I cannot suffer a civil death for the purpose of meditation.

Senior counsel Abhishek Manu Singhvi again appeared for Luthra, and said, according to B&B: “It is a strange case where we agreed to mediation. They agreed and no objection was made. Now there is complete rethink and review. They are asking for interim orders on each day after we agreed (otherwise).”

Justice V Kameswara Rao ultimately agreed with Luthra’s side’s arguments, ordering the parties to complete mediation by 1 November.

Rao also noted that if he were to grant interim relief to Saraf, Luthra would have to be given a right of reply, noting:

You argued, they also argued. You said you are ready for mediation, they also agreed. They say they have to file the reply. I recorded that you wanted status quo ante. It was expected that inter se disputes would be settled. To insist upon an interim order.. .you say that I don’t want mediation and I will ask for a reply.

Senior advocate AS Chandhiok, who we understand has been primarily handling the litigation strategy for Luthra, also appeared in court today.

Chandhiok said that if mediation was still ongoing by 1 November, Luthra could file a reply about Saraf’s request to be reinstated.

L&L turnover revealed

Also, in what is the first time that an Indian law firms’ turnover has been formally revealed, the court was told today that the firm had a turnover of Rs 250 crore (around $34m).

Tripathi said in court, according to an interesting comment B&B had picked up in its report: “This is a big firm. It has a reputation and total turnover of 250 crore. All the youngsters will leave the firm. They were handpicked by me. It is for the benefit of no one.”

Clarification 21:02: We have confirmed from a source with knowledge of the figure, as also suggested by Tripathi, that this is the “total turnover” for all the entire L&L Partners-branded firm. This includes all partnerships, including the corporate partnership, tax and intellectual property (IP) and the separate litigation partnership, in which Saraf is also an equity partner but which does not lie at the heart of the current dispute, as well as the separate Mumbai partnership.

Update 21:59: A second source with knowledge of the firm’s finances has confirmed that the Rs 250 crore figure includes the entire firm, across offices.

Update 22:19: Thanks to an eagle-eyed commenter for pointing out, Bar & Bench had live tweeted that Tripathi had said: “This firm was constituted in 1999. The corporate firm has a turnover of over Rs 100 crore. Saraf is doing over 12 cases and corporate restructuring work.”

Update 21:02: This is also of potential relevance to the dispute, in that under the corporate partnership deed Saraf was prima facie entitled to 15% of the firm’s annual turnover on termination. Assuming the corporate firm’s turnover to be around 50% of Rs 250 crore, that could come to around Rs 19 crores ($2.5m) potentially due to Saraf as a goodwill payment; we are not aware of termination provisions, if any, in the litigation firm’s partnership deed.

By comparison, we had reported last year that Khaitan & Co had posted a turnover of at least Rs 610 crores in 2018-19 (around $87m).

That is at least twice of L&L’s, which has a total of around 78 partners across its separate corporate, litigation and other partnerships, and around 322 fee-earners.

By contrast, Khaitan & Co had 127 partners in 2018-19, of whom 91 were equity partners, as well as nearly 600 fee-earners back in 2019.

Since then, Khaitan & Co has grown to 723 fee-earners.

Today’s court order

Update 21:02: The court order of today (PDF) read that a new assistant mediator would also be appointed - Aparna Mukherjee - and that the case will continue on 2 and 3 November:

1. I have heard the learned Senior Counsels for the parties at length.

2. In the end, they all suggested that the mediation process be continued and permission be also granted to the parties to make submissions before the learned Mediator for making an interim arrangement / interim settlement. It is ordered accordingly.

3. The learned mediator shall make an attempt to complete the mediation process before November 01, 2020 and file a report before the Court for consideration.

4. For the said purpose matter shall be listed before Court on November 02, 2020.

5. It is prayed by the Ld. Sr. Counsels for the petitioner that if the mediation process fails, the prayers in the Section 9 petition be considered by the Court on November 3, 2020. It is ordered accordingly.

6. This Court also permits the learned Mediator to take the assistance of Ms. Aparna Mukherjee as a co-Mediator. The fee of the co-Mediator shall be fixed in consultation with both the parties and shall be shared equally by them.

Photo by Sohel Patel

Comments

fhsdjfhs 22 Oct 2020, 14:25
+30 -9
how is Khaitan relevant here? Four paragraphs on Khaitan
Guest 22 Oct 2020, 16:26
+25 -1
Maybe because it is the only other firm where turnover figures are known so there is something to compare luthra turnover to?
Loothra 23 Oct 2020, 04:47
+8 -0
Corp turnover - 100 cr
Profit - 25 cr
RKL gets 15 cr, MS gets 10 cr
Post tax RKL gets 10 cr, MS gets 6.5 cr
FYI most equity partners in big 7 except promoter families get lower than this
Well 23 Oct 2020, 06:55
+1 -1
Kinda weird to make a comparison like that because here 100% equity is divided among two people whereas in bigger and richer law firms (pretty much all the other 6 if this article's figures are correct) equity is divided in a much more generous manner - which ultimately does lead to lower payout but it's apples against oranges.
Rao gives no bhaav 22 Oct 2020, 14:41
+12 -2
How on earth Mr. Saraf imagined getting interim relief from this Court? Judge Saheb proceeds with interim relief applications, as if they are suit. I mean I can elaborate, but we all know the deal.
KoP 22 Oct 2020, 15:28
+2 -2
Exactly my thought too. He has no chance in hell of getting an interim order even of mediation were to fail. No surprise this.
End of the match 22 Oct 2020, 17:41
+7 -0
Game, set and match to RKL. No interim relief.
Who’s your daddy 23 Oct 2020, 18:01
+5 -2
What a slap on his face. He thought he could get the big guy out but forgot that baap baap hota and beta beta. It’s like RKL had always planned for this day. Smart move RKL. Not sure if this was his brainchild or one of his loyalists.

Hope RKL goes behind all those cronies who had sided with MS and shows them what it means to challenge the big man.
Ganguly 24 Oct 2020, 11:35
+0 -0
Obviously, his biggest loyalist is behind all this. Equity mubarak
Insider 22 Oct 2020, 14:57
+15 -1
If the statement would have said that the turn over of L&L was 700 crore, CSS would have sent an email to all partners to start BD even during COVID.
jhumla 22 Oct 2020, 17:42
+1 -3
700 crores in chump change. Talk about 1000 crores.
Guest 23 Oct 2020, 06:00
+4 -1
What’s CSS?
Guest 23 Oct 2020, 08:20
+7 -0
if this is your question, my humble request is to immediately stop reading/commenting on this thread
CSS 23 Oct 2020, 09:10
+5 -0
CSS in L&L is Chandhoke Sondhi Sharma; CSS is also Cyril S. Shroff. Read contextually and you'll know.
Tyagi ji 22 Oct 2020, 15:06
+1 -0
250 is just for the corp partnership or all the partnerships? The dispute primarily relates to the corp. partnership from which Mohit has been ousted so it should be just the corp turnover, right?
Clarity 22 Oct 2020, 16:42
+3 -1
Bar and bench Live twitter summary says 100cr for Corp partnership. And 250 cr for all together
Lol 22 Oct 2020, 15:10
+12 -12
LOL partners exposed finally. How on earth can you call yourself top tier if you have only 250 cr turnover?!?! Also chances are this is exaggerated as well.
No 22 Oct 2020, 15:38
Contested
+11 -4
The 250 probably does not include a wide variety of practice areas such as Litigation, Tax, Competition, IPR and Trade which come under partnerships which are not the subject of this dispute
Yes 22 Oct 2020, 15:42
+1 -1
Even Mumbai excluded. That was only for L&L, Delhi (corp).
Oh 22 Oct 2020, 15:41
+1 -3
That was only for corporare. Litigation excluded.
Jolly LLB 22 Oct 2020, 19:08
+3 -2
How much is your pocket money?
MSaraf 22 Oct 2020, 20:06
Contested
+0 -1
250 crores between 2 individuals. After Kochar, these two [...] might be one of the richest law firm lawyers. Luthra might be more than Kochar actually.
Richest 23 Oct 2020, 04:49
+14 -0
And turnover = profits. Everyone else works for free and the landlord doesn't charge any rent...and horses fly.
Low 22 Oct 2020, 15:32
Contested
+0 -1
Yes, this is turnover of just one partnership. Not the whole L&L umbrella. Still low.
Kian? 22 Oct 2020, 15:45
Contested
+3 -2
Kian- The headline given by you is misleading. The quoted turnover was only for L&L, Delhi which inter alia excludes litigation, IP, trade law, competition etc. Further, the quoted turnover also didn't take into account other offices at Mumbai, Bangalore, and Hyderabad.
Querist 22 Oct 2020, 17:43
+0 -1
How does their IP team fare?
fdsfsf 22 Oct 2020, 15:51
Contested
+3 -1
Firstly, this 250 crores is of one partnership. There are four partnerships in Luthra
Secondly, as Kian pointed out, there are 91 equity partners in Khaitan. There are only 2 in Luthra corporate. So, end of the day, these two will make more money that 91 equity guys when you divide the profit
4 22 Oct 2020, 16:04
+4 -2
Aren't Aniket and Harish also equity partners now? A lot of money that is
Ajk 22 Oct 2020, 16:17
+2 -0
See the clarification. It's inclusive of all the partnerships
Hahahaha 22 Oct 2020, 16:22
Contested
+1 -3
375cr - all partnerships combined!
PEP 22 Oct 2020, 17:22
+5 -5
So basically a USD10 million profit per equity partner on the corporate side. To give a comparison, Wachtell is something like 6 million. Gives an indication of how much Indian law firms squeeze out of their associates.
Bhai 22 Oct 2020, 20:17
+23 -0
When you get free from trolling here, spend time learning the difference between turnover and profit and then understanding what PEP is?
No Suraf 22 Oct 2020, 17:39
+19 -2
Sarafs lawyers disclosed client and deal related information during their arguments. That was wrong.
Guess 22 Oct 2020, 17:59
+0 -0
There's wrong, and then there's [...] unprofessional. But then again, [...] Planned strategy much?
Rao gives no bhaav 22 Oct 2020, 19:23
+18 -1
First Rule of Litigation: Know what not to say.
MSaraf 22 Oct 2020, 20:13
+7 -1
Such a shame. I can't imagine how one fails to get a favorable interim order in cases like these. Saraf should have also included Nayyar /Sethi frim DHC if not Mukul from SC, who would have been the best choice for cases like these.

Nigam should have been saved for final arguments.

[...] Or is it just bad luck?
Well 23 Oct 2020, 02:51
+5 -0
Absolutely. Mukul is the guy to go-to for interim relief. Should have left substantive argumentation for much later, if it all. Saraf has scored a massive own goal here.
Nope 23 Oct 2020, 03:46
+2 -0
Not just bad luck - lack of options. Word has it that not too many seniors were willing.
BOM123 23 Oct 2020, 04:21
+4 -2
The seniors know - post the split, seniors will be briefed by RKL's Litigation team a lot more than whatever MS brings with his new set-up.
So, they are smart in protecting their future revenues by supporting RKL.
KoP 23 Oct 2020, 09:52
+2 -2
Except Nigam. He doesn’t give a flying f#%* whether or not you bring him briefs! He does what he feels right!
Guest 23 Oct 2020, 05:00
+0 -0
Agree
Hhe 22 Oct 2020, 20:17
+1 -1
Were they conflicted? :P
FlyWall 23 Oct 2020, 13:13
+12 -0
Can't the other partnership partners sue Surf for this disclosure and for dragging the firm in the mud? Any other place on the world, he would have been sued already. A couple of 100 crores should be enough. Cmon lit eagles work your magic.
apple 23 Oct 2020, 17:40
+0 -0
this is a very smart suggestion. Seriously. Not meant in any sarcasatic manner. You appear to be a smart lawyer
Parvati Menon 22 Oct 2020, 18:26
+29 -4
It's amazing that Saraf will share private WhatsApp messages of the partners group, details of the mediation, names of clients, specifics of deals the firm is working on, proclaim that young members will now leave the firm, and the revenue figures, and then expect to be trusted as a lawyer. Justice Rao would have seen through this by now.
Deadwalkers 23 Oct 2020, 04:30
+13 -0
Saraf's seasoned counsel should have put some sense into him, before putting all these details into the petition. Poor choice of litigation strategist and counsel by MS. No wonder Bench is so un-sympathetic to MS.
RaufLala 23 Oct 2020, 01:14
+5 -1
Its not about glamour
Its not about galore
Lets all move to Bangalore

By Manan
Guest 23 Oct 2020, 02:39
+0 -1
Next step - MS office at Rajiv Chowk??
Well 23 Oct 2020, 02:47
+4 -1
How much would CAM/SAM/AZB be turning over? 800 crore each, per year?
Barabanki 23 Oct 2020, 04:47
+1 -11
I think they should cut down the salaries of 2020, 2021 and 2022 joinees by 1/3rd and recruit more lawyers so that they can grow to be the largest law firm. Alternatively, I think they should give all 100 percent of the equity to Shardul Shroff/Cyril Shroff.
Merger 23 Oct 2020, 05:27
+12 -0
MS+23 should join CAM and head Delhi and RKL should merge the remaining L&L with SAM and retire.
Que 23 Oct 2020, 11:06
+6 -2
CAM does not need them. Thank you very much. They can go elsewhere. Not welcome at CAM.
Nope 23 Oct 2020, 05:46
+5 -0
I think you should stop thinking.
Buffalo 23 Oct 2020, 05:04
+16 -2
Surprised the court held: Jiske bouncer uski bhains. Ok they didn't use that language, but a few weeks of access to Saraf would be no bad thing. This is a fait accompli for him.
Turnover and PEP 23 Oct 2020, 05:12
+3 -0
Am surprised at the comments on turnover. Even on a gross basis, L&L is likely to be more profitable than the other frims mentioned here who have much larger turnovers. PEP is meaningless unless all equity partners are in the same firm which is not the case in most Indian firms.
Guest 23 Oct 2020, 06:58
+2 -0
Aparna Mukherjee is the wife of the famous Tamil actor Arvind Swamy, according to Google!
216 23 Oct 2020, 07:51
+8 -0
This is why I like legally india. You always learn something new
Diga 23 Oct 2020, 10:38
+1 -2
Don't know about it. But in any case, should that even matter? Do your work. Stop wasting time googling on people
BOM123 23 Oct 2020, 10:45
+2 -0
Bhai: people who have lots of vella time only come to LI comments ...
Modhu 23 Oct 2020, 07:57
+28 -1
This is Karma paying a visit to Mohit. He threw out many partners from the firm. And now he is thrown out! Hahahah!
LackOfOxygen 23 Oct 2020, 14:52
+2 -0
Jack of all trades
16 years+ of PQE and grades
Money wins and trust fades
People show their true colors and shades
As, SAs and Salary Partners are just for Parades

By Thala Banglur (Yennake)
L&L Insider 23 Oct 2020, 18:49
+7 -1
RKL inducted a new partner (non equity by the look of it) - Shonali Choudhry - at the Bombay office - wonder what the angle is given Bombay's largely been MS' backyard (his sister and niece are also employed there).
Jasoos 24 Oct 2020, 09:27
+1 -0
Mumbai was MS backyard but looking at how things are going in court... MS is getting his backyard kicked!
Hola 26 Oct 2020, 09:08
+1 -0
Whats the scene at the firm now? whatsup with the mediation?
Hola 2 27 Oct 2020, 18:07
+0 -0
Common Kian. This story is losing fervor. What happened to your sleuthing abilities? I'm sure there is masala in this. Please come back with details.
Hmm 28 Oct 2020, 10:50
+0 -0
They have finally settled amicably and agreed to run the firm together.
Dolores O Riordan 28 Oct 2020, 12:29
+0 -0
Kian, could you check if Mohit and Justice Kameswar Rao are batchmates from college? That's what he has been saying.
Umm 28 Oct 2020, 12:52
+0 -0
Is he alleging bias in some form? If not, how is it of any relevance, the law "fraternity" can be a nauseatingly small world