Algo to start 8-week NUJS course about legal tech, open to all in year 3+

Algo CIO Charya (left) on NUJS course with VC NK Chakrabarti
Algo CIO Charya (left) on NUJS course with VC NK Chakrabarti

Algo Legal has partnered with NUJS Kolkata to start a “legal innovation and technology” eight-week course for third- to fifth-year students from 15 December 2020.

Algo chief innovation officer Rasmeet Charya commented: “The course will be guided by industry experts across legal technology and innovation areas who will share their practice experience and real life scenarios with students.”

There was no upper limit on the number of students who could participate due to the online course consisting of “lectures and assignments but the assignments are light, more practical and interesting for students”, said Charya.

Applications for the course were currently still ongoing, so final numbers were not available for the course, she added.

The course is purely optional and is not a credit course, without an examination.

According to a press release from the firm, which had been launched with in 2019 with a “mission to transform the practice of law”:

The curriculum of the course has a diverse set of interesting subjects from insights on data digitalization and smart documentation to concepts of legal design thinking and culture of compliance. The course currently has 18 sessions that will spread across eight weeks and will see a unique mix of internal and external experts taking the students through the basics of legal innovation and technology.

The course would be “guided by inputs from industry experts across legal technology and innovation areas”, according to its statement.

Algo declined to share a more detailed syllabus or curriculum of the programme at the time, though it said it might do so after the course has completed (if any NUJS students have a copy and details of the course, please do share in the comments).

The firm also declined to comment on whether Algo intended to run the programme at other law schools in future.

Algo founder and managing partner Sandeep Kapoor said in the release: “The lawyers of tomorrow will be professionals who are multi-faceted and equipped with the knowledge and expertise to practice law while adapting and implementing to the changes that technology will infuse into the industry.

“Algo Legal has been committed to the vision of fostering innovation and tech adoption in the legal ecosystem since its inception.

“Our course was curated thoughtfully over the past several months with the intention to bring practice innovation, share the best practices on the ‘how to’ and benefits of legal tech and to make law students and legal professionals future ready for the evolving law practice.”

NUJS vice chancellor Prof NK Chakrabarti said in the press release: “Given the rapid advance being made by technology in all domains including the legal sector, it is imperative that law students are exposed at the earliest to the fundamentals of usage of legal technology and its various short-term and long-term implications for their chosen sector.

“Not only would such exposure prepare them to be better professionals capable of optimising their effectiveness in the world outside the university, but it might also trigger ideas latent in them and pave the way for future innovation and growth.

“As an institution committed to educational excellence, we at NUJS are glad that our students are getting such an opportunity offered to them by a reputed law firm such as Algo Legal and the domain experts who are going to offer this course. Hopefully, this marks the start of a long and fruitful collaborative relationship that would help our students turn into next generation lawyers comfortable with wielding legal technology to solve a multitude of problems in the legal domain.”

Comments

Commentary 9 Dec 2020, 07:15
+15 -16
Shouldn't NUJS tap its vast alumni present in the way more established law firms for courses than go with firms like Algo?
Commentally 9 Dec 2020, 07:35
+32 -12
What is your hang-up with the college of lawyers? Are you a literal child, because nothing else can explain away the sheer stupidity of this comment. Algo or any other boutique firm is also run by seasoned law firm partners and lawyers, not interns or paralegals. What makes a "way more established law firm" better than Algo when it comes to preparing a course for law students? How will the course change if NUJS alumni step in instead? Keyboard hai toh kuch bhi bol doge kya?
Observer 9 Dec 2020, 07:52
+1 -5
I agree with both 1 and 1.1, and have given my own thoughts. What is needed is a balance: big names for PR gloss, small names for sincere efforts by partners. Wait for May 2021. Acche Din ahead.
guest7 10 Dec 2020, 09:52
+2 -2
It seems it cell has also infiltrated LI
Observer 9 Dec 2020, 07:49
+4 -4
The people at Algo seem good and the initiative was probably taken by an alum who is a partner at Algo (Ankit Guha). Such partnerships with alumni must be welcomed. However, for the college to improve its PR and NIRF perception score, it must collaborate with five-star industry partners, such as HSF, White & Case, CAM, AZB, Google, PwC, EY, Wipro, Reliance, TATA, ICICI, etc. It needs such even if the courses with smaller partners like Algo will probably be more meaningful. This is how NLSIU has built a brand name and got so much sheen, e.g. research chairs by Allen & Overy and Reliance, PhD scholarships by GE.

Other things to do:

1. Improve the website
2. More NLU alumni faculty and ensure that the current hires are not compromised by political pressure
3. Good guest faculty for electives

I am hopeful things will improve from May 2021 onwards, when the deadwood in the governing bodies will be shunted out and West Bengal will have a new law minister, education minister and AG.
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 08:24
+14 -4
@Observer: I do not disagree with any of the suggestions that you have made. However, this completely unfounded optimism on your part about a change in the political regime bringing everything good possible is what seems astonishing. If bringing BJP into power is all that is needed to ensure that higher educational institutions thrive in the state, then NLSIU would not have been involved in a tussle with the state government since BJP came into power in Karnataka, or RMLNLU would have advanced considerably after BJP having been in power in UP for quite a few years now, or CNLU in Bihar ruled by the NDA government. The fact remains that government interference by incapable people is as much a hallmark of BJP as it is of regional parties like TMC. Therefore, there is no valid ground for such optimism. And after the current state of economy, rapidly worsening state of communal and regional harmony, and deteriorating foreign relations, if you are still counting on achhe din, then one can only be amused to the point of exasperation at your gullibility. If BJP indeed wants to help the NLUs thrive, why isn't it giving them autonomy through INI status? That point alone is enough to delegitimise any supposed goodwill on their part towards legal education.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 05:10
+7 -1
BJP has identified today Biswa Bharati as the birthplace of Tagore. Despite the place having come into existence 60 years after the fellow had been born. These jokers would bring reform in higher education!
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 10:09
+5 -1
Unfortunately, alumni are unlikely to propose collaboration after the shameful treatment meted to iPleaders by the Amit Talukdar administration, supported by the then SJA office bearers. Ankit is really brave to collaborate.

See this report by LI on how iPleaders and alumni running it were humiliated by the SJA.

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/are-nujs-online-courses-illegal-ipleaders-ex-sja-prez-arjun-agarwal-argue-out-each-side-of-the-case-20190520-10327
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 16:56
+6 -0
Why just that? What about this? https://www.thestatesman.com/supplements/law/distance-education-mess-1502764247.html

And also hyperlinked in an article published recently https://thewire.in/rights/right-to-information-opacity-nlu-travails

What I don't get is why does the EC, which included some veteran and progressive faculty members earlier (even when Justice Talukdar was the VC), repeatedly agree with the assertions of this pesky SJA fellow? Even recently despite repeated attempts by NKC, the EC reiterated its earlier decision and even questioned why the inquiry hasn't been completed and action taken against the alleged perpetrators.

What's really happening?
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 03:01
+3 -3
Best solution is to shut down the SJA. Waste of space.
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 10:28
+3 -0
In the RPC (Research and Professional Practice) parameter in NIRF, one of the sub-parameters is "Average annual earnings from Full Time Executive Development Programs". Thus, these programmes need to be scaled up and offered to outsiders for money, as used to happen when iPleaders was there. However, offering the course only to students may help the teaching parameter and perception parameter (but if you tie up with top firms only).

The NIRF 2020 ranking had this sub-ranking for RPC score:

TOP 10:

1. IIT KGP: 73.78/100
2. NLUD: 45.21/100
3. NLSIU: 41.07/100
4. NALSAR: 39.74/100
5. GNLU: 35.83/100
6. NUJS: 35.19/100
7. RGNUL: 29.23/100
8. KIIT: 27.06/100
9. NLUJ: 26.85/100
10. NLIU: 24.98/100

Thus, NUJS is quite behind and needs to catch up.
Observer 9 Dec 2020, 13:33
+3 -5
@1.1 and 21: I do think there is reason for optimism because of the individuals who will replace the current law minster and AG. First of all, I hope you accept the following (if not, no point in engaging with you).

1. The current law minster has a dubious record. His legal stature is also highly questionable, as he was a mere small-time trial court lawyer in Asansol and that too for a brief while.

2. I also hope you accept that the current AG is also a little-known lawyer and nowhere near the illustrious giants who Mamata appointed before him and all of whom resigned in protest against her government, i.e. barrister and Sr Adv Bimal Chatterjee, barrister and Sr Adv Anindya Mitra and barrister and Sr Adv Jayanta Mitra. The present AG was, in contrast, a junior to the highly controversial TMC politician Kalyan Banerjee. Furthermore, the SJA has openly complained against the AG (see previous LI reports).

Now, let us look ahead:

1. Yes, the BJP is a communal party and their West Bengal unit has many dubious characters.

2. You forget, however, that NUJS will be in the hands of the Law Minister and AG, as it is too small for the CM to work about. Thus, the key question is who will occupy these posts, not the CM's chair.

3. In contrast with the TMC, the BJP has far more competent people handling their legal affairs. These include:

- Som Mandal, Executive Committee Member National Executive BJP Legal Cell. He got a ticket in the last assembly election and will get one here too. A strong candidate for Law Min.

- Kabir Bose, LLB (Nottingham) and barrister and law, BJP Bengal spokesman. He too will get a ticket. A possible candidate for junior Law Min.

- Soumendranath Mookerjee, LLB (Cambridge), Barrister at law and Sr Adv, one of the top lawyers in Cal: Though he once stood for election on a BJP ticket and his father is a former BJP Union Minister, he is not actively in politics right now. However, his association with the BJP cannot be denied and he is also representing cases involving BJP leaders. A strong candidate for AG.

Furthermore, BJP members or people close to the BJP who are outside Bengal may be drafted into the GC. (Harish Salve, Mukul Rohatgi, Pinky Anand, Vikramjit Banerjee, Madhavi Divan etc).

Isn't this better than the prospect of the TMC returning?
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 15:02
+7 -1
Is that so? How many NLUs in BJP ruled states have currently Divan, Rohtagi etc. in their governing bodies? Just random name dropping won't cut it. Similarly there is absolutely no indication that the people whom you have named would ever be made law ministers and take any 'useful' interest in NUJS.
Forget about communal nature of BJP, just look at its track record with regard to education! Cutting down grants everywhere, focused only on universities celebrating yoga day and swachh bharat divas etc. The lawyers whom you named are all small fries politically and don't determine any policy even when in opposition, let alone if they come to power. The biggest question that 2.1 has asked, what's stopping BJP to support the NLUs while it is in power in the Centre? Why not give them INI status and autonomy? I agree with the points you've made about the current law minister and AG though, but there is no reason to expect that the next lot would be any better. The only way ahead is to nationalise the NLUs and remove these ex officio posts from governing bodies or make them a minority.
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 17:36
+2 -1
Agree about BJP neglecting NLUs, primary because Ravi Shankar Prasad is the worst law minister ever and Manan Mishra is the worst BCI chairman ever. However, Minakshi Lekhi of the BJP has introduced a bill seeking INI status for all NLUs.

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/mp-meenakshi-lekhi-to-introduce-nationalise-nlu-bill-in-lok-sabha-tomorrow-20191205-11064

https://www.thestatesman.com/supplements/law/national-law-universities-need-structural-reform-1502885439.html

https://blog.ipleaders.in/national-law-universities-need-for-nationalization/

https://www.thelwordblogg.com/post/national-law-universities-islands-of-excellence-or-double-double-toil-and-trouble
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 19:57
+6 -2
Seems NUJS is doing lot many good things now. First, it won Vis Moot, then it was the only university to have been given an opportunity to comment on draft PDP bill, it also submitted its recommendations pertaining to criminal law amendments to Ministry of Home Affairs in an initiative headed by VC himself and now this brilliant credit course. Its NIRF rankings are bound to improve this year...
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 05:14
+5 -0
It is also one of the two NLUs which are part of the CCI competition law expert group researching on cartels and other legislations. NLUD is the other one.
Guest 9 Dec 2020, 20:00
+1 -0
Here it's written that the course is not a credit course. This is incorrect. It has been enrolled as a credit course with 4 assignments of 20 marks each...
arrey 9 Dec 2020, 23:13
+6 -5
Trust me, in a year from now Algo is going to regret this tie-up. There will ne enquiries, mud slinging, calling names and a lot of harrassment.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 02:50
+2 -6
I wish NUJS and Algo well, but the illegal and unethical treatment of iPleaders and complicity of the SJA will remain a black mark on the institution.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 05:21
+3 -2
If the treatment was illegal, why couldn't ipleaders get any relief from the court even after 2 years?
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 02:55
+2 -2
[quote]What I don't get is why does the EC, which included some veteran and progressive faculty members earlier (even when Justice Talukdar was the VC), repeatedly agree with the assertions of this pesky SJA fellow? [/quote]

Because a lie always travels faster than the truth.e
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 03:00
+2 -3
[quote]lThen we went and met Prof. M.P. Singh, and we convinced him to start a course for lawyers and entrepreneurs together. We convinced him and a full strength faculty meeting that such a course will bring glory to NUJS. And that was how we started our first online course, Diploma in Entrepreneurship Administration and Business Laws.

Over the next 6 years, this course brought us many accolades. Prof. Ishwara Bhat, the new VC of NUJS who replaced Prof. MP Singh, was touched when while on summer vacation, he met a girl from Dharwad Law School, who did our course and then got a job at a Mumbai law firm. She told Prof. Bhat how the course made the impossible possible for her (she left the law firm in a while though, and now teaches at an NLU herself)! Prof. Bhat was impressed. He called us and told us to expand online courses at NUJS. Encouraged by his support, we launched a battery of certificate courses over the next few years. We also enabled NUJS to launch the MA in Business Laws course, with the goal of giving a solid competition to NLSIU Bangalore MBL course which is very popular.[/quote]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how NUJS lowered its RPC score in NIRF after terminating the agreement with iPleaders. All because of personal grudges and jealousies.

https://blog.ipleaders.in/origin-story-ipleaders-lawsikho-onwards/
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 05:19
+2 -3
To those who are claiming that alumni aren't interested to work with NUJS because of the ipleaders fiasco, nothing can be further away from the truth. Every year on an average 8-10 alumni have been consistently offering credit courses on a wide range of topics at the university over the past 5-6 years. If we add the standalone lectures and workshops, that number would be at least doubled. But one would have acknowledged that only if one actually knew what's happening at the university and is dealing in good faith.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 06:16
+2 -2
@12: Your desperate attempt to shield the SJA won't work.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 07:31
+0 -1
Your agenda is pretty transparent. Obviously, whatever is being done in terms of getting alumni to teach is working, since alumni are indeed teaching here. On the other hand, no other NLU has tied up with ipleaders and their reputation is down after that fiasco that the owner created by holding dating workshops. It is clear who came off worse.
Another Guest 10 Dec 2020, 13:20
+3 -0
When it comes to alumni I can think of only one who is there by choice and has other options (of course, the well known and liked Souvik Guha). The rest are pretty much there by compulsion and have adapted nicely to a life of bickering and politicking. [...] On this point NUJS has done a stellar job of attracting the worst graduates from NLU and non-NLU background alike, a true non-discriminatory employer.

The dating workshop fiasco has not affected ipleaders one bit. Their clientele is not NLU/law firm types who read LI. That controversy was quite petty (in hindsight) compared to the blatantly illegal acts of NUJS in abruptly stopping the courses as well as the unbaked "advice" the luminaries of the college governing bodies acted upon in taking that decision.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 15:18
+0 -2
The point about getting alumni to teach was related to credit courses, and not becoming permanent faculty. In either case, you complimenting one of them and dissing the rest without having any locus reveals more about you than it does about them. I doubt even the person whom you have complimented would actually agree with that opinion of yours, be it Guha, Bhattacharjee, Tarafder or Sen or anyone else.
Regarding ipleaders' clientele, so you are agreeing that they essentially target students who don't really know about what is going on in the legal world and what do the recruiters value actually. Glad to see we agree on that point.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 06:15
+2 -5
Congratulations to Ankit Guha for this initiative. He is a really nice guy. But please be careful buddy. If the SJA backstabs you like they did to Ramanuj, it will hurt you and Algo. I suggest you have a tie up with other law schools as well. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 07:29
+8 -2
Ipleaders trolls flooding the comment section I see. What backstabbing, man? He was running a course for which people alleged that the university didn't take regulatory permission. Why on earth would the SJA be beholden to Ramanuj not to point that out? If he feels that he has been treated illegally, then the doors of the court are open to him. Or is he so busy teaching students how to pick up women that he's forgotten about the basic concepts of law?
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 09:36
+2 -9
Law Sikho is doing very well and offers great courses, which is also a testament to Ramnauj's toughness and ability to bounce back from setbacks. If both parties can let bygones be bygones, then a new partnership between NUJS and LawSikho can be initiated. The students stranded because of the iPleaders fiasco can be given the option of a full refund plus competition of the courses for no cost, or refund of twice the fees. (all to be paid by NUJS). Ramanuj can be given compensation for past wrongs in the form of a higher percentage fo profits from future courses for a 2 year period (say 80 percent), then a return to a 50-50 arrangement. NUJS needs this to improve NIRF score, so they should agree to it.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 11:26
+11 -3
NUJS doesn't need Lawsikho or its dating webinars and website full of legal blogs of dubious quality to improve NIRF scores. They are like a marketing agency. They pay other prime to create and teach those courses. Might as well hire a marketing firm while one is at it. Your ridiculous suggestions about revenue reveals even more prominently that you are a paid Lawsikho insider, who's trolling on a post that has got nothing to do with you. Who exactly recognises these great courses from Lawsikho exactly? Recruiters? For higher education? They have no affiliation, no content regulation, nothing. They are only preying on students who lack access to proper legal education and hence don't know any better.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 13:16
+2 -0
Are you chirping because your friend killed off the second inquiry into the promotion scam? And you are hopeful that a regime change in state will ensure that the matter will be buried for good?
please no 11 Dec 2020, 16:01
+5 -3
Ramanuj is doing well with lawsikho (all credit to that guy for bouncing back despite all odds). I hope he won't do anything stupid like a tie up with NUJS and endanger the future of his students once again. Actually nobody in their right minds will tie up with NUJS. its too much of uncertainities.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 14:31
+3 -0
Why isn't the veteran iPleader fan in NUJS also talking about how Delhi HC directed NUJS to make partial refunds (NUJS' share) to students who had taken the iPleaders courses lacking UGC approval; and how the veteran's friends in the administration repeatedly delayed the refund? Have the refunds been paid now?

The administration was advised to limit avoidable litigation costs by putting up a public notice concerning refunds. But they avoided doing that. Instead repeated attempts were made to start distance education courses (again without UGC approval). Those got shot down by the EC. Hence a "minor" shuffle was made in the AC and EC. But again the VC got censured. Maybe things will brighten now with the entry of his "friend" from SC.

As they say, a good lawyer knows the law but a great lawyer (or VC) knows the....(Thor now you know where your hammer is...pretty useless though)
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 15:06
+4 -0
AM was in the EC when the iPleaders courses were banned. Kindly clarify the following:

1. Did AM ensure that iPleaders etc petitions reached the EC for discussion? Records show that it was Justice Talukdar and Law Minister, Mr Moloy Ghatak who ensured that emails by aggrieved students are placed before the EC, which had a thorough discussion and reiterated the ban because the UGC approvals that had been "promised" in earlier AC and EC meetings by the alleged perpetrators (named here https://www.thestatesman.com/supplements/law/distance-education-mess-1502764247.html) wasn't there. Why would Talukdar, Ghatak and Co dilute their alleged anti-iPleaders position with these emails?

What does AM, the "head" of SDME do? Zilch. When questioned why isn't he responding to queries of affected distance education students, AM has no answer. Registrar Sen helps him avoid show cause notices etc.

2. What does another well known iPleader faculty and ex-EC member do? Zilch. Despite petitioning EC on seniority, NAAC etc and massive (anonymous) keyboarding here. Of course "talks" with Registrar Sen certainly helped in holding off disciplinary action. So emboldened a promotion scan was engendered later with active support from NKC who was heading the scrutiny and interview panels.

3. This https://www.thestatesman.com/supplements/law/distance-education-mess-1502764247.html was published in July 2019. The ex-SJA president had openly named the alleged perpetrators earlier as well in petitions to EC and Chancellor. No legal action taken by the alleged perpetrators till date or even contested in the EC.

4. From this https://thewire.in/rights/right-to-information-opacity-nlu-travails we know that NUJS administration has diligently and consistently stonewalled RTI requests. NKC and Co stand totally exposed. It is very clear that the rot runs deep and starts from the top.

5. No fan of Talukdar. He let things slide into a deadly paralysis. Whether he really wanted a clean-up or not is debatable. Maybe he was too slow and cautious figuring out and taking action against entrenched interests. But certain things were exposed and action taken (albeit limited) under his watch. Under the new VC, it is PIB 2.0
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 16:33
+1 -1
Talukdar and Co. had no proper answer to the questions of the affected students as to why they are not being given their diplomas or failing that, refund. Why should AM have to respond to their queries? It is not as though the sudden suspension of the courses without proper notice and announcement and the subsequent decision not to give refund had been made after consultation with him. The people who took those decisions were the ones supposed to respond to the queries. Clearly, they didn't. Hence the litigation continues and student fees keep getting wasted to line the pockets of vulture lawyers.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 16:58
+1 -0
AM as the head of SDME should have known that all the distance edu courses lack UGC approvals. Even when there was no SDME, AM and Co knew of this requirement all along because as part of PIB and Co, the AC and EC was assured that UGC approvals will be taken. External members of AC and EC trusted (foolishly) PIB and internal members such as AM and Co. and therefore agreed to allow those iPleaders, Dillon's etc courses.

Why couldn't AM reply to aggrieved distance education students that the courses did not have UGC approval, which was belatedly realized by the powers that be in NUJS and therefore the courses have been taken off. In fact, why didn't AM bring the entire bunch of emails and letters etc to the EC and show the response he could give in his "limited" capacity?

Why does AM and Co avoid responding to RTIs concerning distance education? Head of SDME. What a joke.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 18:45
+0 -1
Distance education courses never needed UGC approvals. Still there are several NLUs like MNLU or NLUD who are offering similar courses without such approval. NLSIU kept doing the same for years. No court has held yet that such approvals are essential. As for responding to the students, they were not asking for information about UGC approval. They wanted their money or their diplomas. It is not AM's place to give them either. Why didn't Taluk and Co. respond to those students after taking the decision to give them neither? Someone would take decision and someone else would give excuses for that? What a joke! Nor was AM required to bring student petitions to the EC. Those had been addressed to the VC at first, and later, to all EC members anyway. Nor did students make any legal argument that would pass scrutiny by court, otherwise the university would not have been stuck with litigation still.
Guest 11 Dec 2020, 09:42
+2 -0
AM in his "limited capacity" could have underlined the following in response to the queries posed by the distance edu students -

1. EC too a decision to ban the courses as they lacked the necessary approvals. These courses never had the UGC approval and nor did NUJS have the UGC approval to run distance edu courses. NUJS also lacked approval from the erstwhile DEC, IGNOU.

2. EC has initiated an inquiry. Kindly send your grievances etc to the VC with a copy to Registrar and Head, SDME

3. Your emails etc will be duly forwarded to the VC so that those can be brought before the EC. As an EC member, I will also take those along and insist on a thorough discussion in EC (but actually I wouldn't for obvious reasons)

4. Will honestly and transparently respond to RTIs concerning distance education (actually wouldn't for obvious reasons)

5. Since these courses never had the due approvals from IGNOU/UGC and clearly an illegal act cannot be allowed to continue, I will do my best to convince NUJS to make necessary refunds (but I woudn't because the money trail....)
Guest 11 Dec 2020, 09:59
+1 -0
After NLS started its MPP programme, it was rapped by the UGC and changed in to MA in Public Policy. Only recently it was allowed a limited reprieve by the Karnataka HC regarding MBL and some other distance edu courses. The HC did not dilute UGC's powers to regulate, approve courses etc. It only underlined that if NLS has provided proper paperwork to UGC then the latter should take a decision within a reasonable period of time assuming that the paperwork submitted by NLS hasn't been faulty etc.

Barring a few recent ones, all distance edu courses of NLS had approvals from DEC, IGNOU and later from UGC during the transition from IGNOU to UGC.

If a proper scrutiny is done then NLS courses too ran afoul for 2-3 years. But that's for NLS and UGC. Just because UGC has a weak enforcement machinery and NLS or any others that got away, it does not mean that when the scam got exposed in NUJS, then AM and Co can use that as an excuse.

There hasn't been a drastic change in the composition of the AC/EC that "approved" iPleaders courses and the EC that placed the ban. You could say that some of the key alleged perpetrators such as a former VC and Registrar (Acting) were allowed to scoot and another's term ended. AM then in the EC realized silence is golden and played victim before fellow sympathizer Registrar Sen.

The EC,irrespective of personnel changes, has always given a wide berth to successive VCs. That's how iPleaders courses got approval. So when the EC does something that is profitable for AM and Co, it is all learned etc. But when it refuses to ignore damning evidence then the same EC is full of fools etc?
Facts are facts 10 Dec 2020, 17:50
+3 -1
[quote]When it comes to alumni I can think of only one who is there by choice and has other options (of course, the well known and liked Souvik Guha). The rest are pretty much there by compulsion and have adapted nicely to a life of bickering and politicking. [...] On this point NUJS has done a stellar job of attracting the worst graduates from NLU and non-NLU background alike, a true non-discriminatory employer.
[/quote]

This is a fake comment. This is the real picture:

- Saurabh Bhattacharjee, BALLB NALSAR and LLM Michigan
- Ruchika Ghosh, BALLB NUJS and LLM London, ex-Khaitan
- Paramita DasGupta, BALLB NUJS and LLM London, ex-AMSS

All have impressive qualifications and are very good profs.

Then there are "desi NUJS" alumni faculty like Guha, Sen and Tarafder, who are also good.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 18:40
+4 -0
Bhattacharjee is not an alumnus, as you yourself mentioned. The original comment was about alumni faculty. Everyone pretty much accepts that he's the best teacher that NUJS has at present. The other two whom you have mentioned, with foreign LLMs are not tenured faculty members but contractual guest faculty. Moreover, as someone who has attended their classes, they are not really in the same league as Bhattacharjee, Guha or even Sen as teachers, foreign LLM notwithstanding. Any of their students would attest to that fact. Not saying that the two are bad though, especially Dasgupta.
Noojie Guest 11 Dec 2020, 14:21
+6 -3
Bhattacharjee is in a different league altogether! Sen and Guha though good are just not in the same league. Dasgupta and Ghosh are also good. Ghosh's inputs in Practical clinical subjects are pretty useful.
Another Noojie 11 Dec 2020, 15:22
+9 -2
I have enjoyed Guha's courses the most during my time there though, as well as the mentorship and guidance that he used to provide outside class. It helped me a lot to land a job and even later during work. I agree that this would also vary from student to student. I was not very interested in the courses Bhattacharjee offers, but I could still appreciate the huge efforts that he would put in every class and assignment. That is surely the hallmark of a great teacher. The teachers whom I found good during my time would definitely include both, along with Ruchira Goswami, Anirban Mazumder, Sandeep Bhat, Lovely Dasgupta, Faisal Fasih and Mahesh Menon (heard he has left now). This is a personal observation with which others may disagree. I have seen my share of average and below average teachers too, but not going to name them here.
Guest 10 Dec 2020, 18:49
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If we are including contractual alumni faculty too, there are also Darshana Mitra and Anwesha Pal, both NUJS BA LLB, and LLM from Columbia and Nottingham respectively. Both decent teachers, particularly Mitra.
Guest 11 Dec 2020, 15:06
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These statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. Ghosh and Dasgupta have spent barely a couple of years at Khaitan / AMSS respectively, that too as A-0s. That's not much of a qualification. And one of the three desi NUJS alumni had a [...]. I won't comment on Guha but Sen's class content is [...] though he's a [...] nice guy whom students get along well with. Bhattacharjee ofc is not NUJS alum.

That's the true picture at NUJS. A bleak one, kind of like roadside tea gone cold.
Guest 11 Dec 2020, 15:42
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Dasgupta is 2007 batch and started teaching around 2013. Even discounting for one year for LLM, that leaves at least 5 years spent in the industry. Might not have been entirely at AMSS though. In any case, with 95% plus law faculty in this country lacking any industry experience whatsoever, I would take people having spent even 2 years at a firm anyday. The main issue is how much you are learning from a class. In that way, most of the people named are doing a decent job, if student opinion is anything to go by.
Guest3 11 Dec 2020, 19:47
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This is a strange perception that couple of years in a law farm magically transform people into stellar teachers. Industry Experience requires some length of time in the industry and usually at a relevant position. The person in question has spent [...] and left for other pursuits well before NUJS. Even hypothetically had [...] spent [...] years it would not have been the magic bullet you are making it out to be. A majority of associates at law firms work like cattle and hardly have time to reflect on the law. Such experience is good for fancy english but [...]. [...] The other "industry" person [...]
Just to be clear I have nothing against these two, just pointing out the hilarity of bragging about someone being oh-so-cool because of a couple of years at a firm.
Guest 12 Dec 2020, 05:18
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Your last sentence of standard disclaimer notwithstanding, the language of your comment makes it very clear that you do have something against these two, as well as pronounced negative bias. Nor did anyone brag anything about the two people, an assumption that you have used to vent.
Guest 12 Dec 2020, 02:27
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Quality of experience is more important than quantity or brand name. For example, it is possible that one may learn more about banking laws by working with Allahabad Bank in Nagaland than with the banking law practice of CAM, even though all NLU grads will prefer the CAM job. Similarly, a person with 1 year of experience with a young trial court lawyer in Tis Hazari may have a better knowledge of certain criminal laws than a person with 3 years of experience under Kapil Sibal, because Sibal has many juniors and may delegate a lot of clerical tasks to the youngest ones, whereas the young trial court lawyer will delegate a lot more work.
Guest 12 Dec 2020, 02:50
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This thread is filled with misogynistic remarks by toxic males. Only male NLU alumni faculty like SB and others are being praised. Female alumni faculty are being criticised and attacked using hurtful and insulting language. The women in question have better qualifications than the males. Yet, their credentials are being questioned and outright lies are being stated. On the other hand, the male professors can do no wrong. Those posting such comments have a sick mind and are perpetrators of sexual harassment and rape culture.
Guest 12 Dec 2020, 14:33
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Why has no action been taken by the college regarding the complaint letter by Ms Suchitra Vijayan, supported by eminent human rights activists and scholars? The VC must resign if those who insulted Ms Vijayan are not expelled. Legally India must do a story on this.

https://twitter.com/suchitrav/status/1317296343438811136
Abey 13 Dec 2020, 03:08
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Because there is no merit to the complaint......

A student disagreed with Suchita (which dear sir he is entitled to)

Suchita thinks he used stuff said by her in a closed door session at NUJS to attack her - and this breaches the rules of the session

The guy clearly didn’t - he showed the (unconnected and public) article which he was relying on

Story should’ve ended there

Guy didn’t abuse or be inappropriate online anyway

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Guest 13 Dec 2020, 11:30
+0 -0
https://theprint.in/opinion/academic-dishonesty-is-eating-away-at-pakistans-higher-education-but-professors-are-happy/565814/

Holds true for India as well and certainly quite a few NLUs.
Guest 13 Dec 2020, 15:30
+0 -0
People will still swear by these rankings and be more than willing to sell their own mother for getting a boost in their annual ranks. Be it QS, Times, SAR or NIRF, it's the same story everywhere.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 03:50
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So if NIRF rankings are as important as you say and one can even "sell his mother", then NKC must resign for the fall in ranking.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 05:16
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What's with your obsession with this guy? Is this a case of unrequited love turned into hatred? Tell you what, go right ahead and draft his resignation letter and spam him with it, instead of spamming here, sheesh!
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 04:09
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The article posted on Pakistan is very good and it raises some hard questions for India. I wish Kian looks into these and does a story:

1. Predatory/mediocre publishing by NLU professors to jack up publication count. The case of a "particular" professor at NUJS, who started his own journal and published garbage there, is epic. Cases also exist at certain other NLUs. What do these professors have to say for themselves?

2. LI reported that NLSIU and JGLS submitted data to QS and got ranked. How does QS verify the accuracy of the data? Same with NIRF. Anyone can submit anything and lie blatantly.
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Guest 14 Dec 2020, 05:24
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1. Good point, but UGC has done at least something to that end, right? It only gives points these days for publications in either CARE listed journals or reputed peer-reviewed ones. Of course, those who have already got the benefit have got away with it I guess. Like after you have become a professor already, there is not much else that the UGC rules would be used for in terms of career growth, other than becoming a VC. NIRF ranking does not take into account publications in almost any Indian journal anyway, other than the minuscule indexed in SCOPUS or WOS (although there are shady journals in those lists too).
2. It does not. In fact, I have been told by multiple young JGLS faculty that on joining, they are asked to nominate a few overseas academics whom they know personally. Then JGLS would give those names to QS, and these faculty would be required to soft-talk and use their personal connections to ensure that those academics give a 5-star review to the university when QS gets in touch with them, all without actually knowing what is happening at the university. It has proven to be an effective hack so far, though not exactly ethical, which is why several faculty are not very keen on doing it, but apparently it is something that they would be 'strongly encouraged' to do nonetheless.
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 12:57
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Kian, is this info about the 'hack' accurate? Can you try to find out from your contacts at JGLS?
QS rankings 14 Dec 2020, 10:09
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2. QS does its own research and investigation, Independent of submissions from the University. Not aware about NLSIU but for JGLS, publications and their own journal getting Scopus-indexed shows that their research output is good.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 10:48
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There have been multiple published instances referring to flaws in the QS examination process too. However, publications are one of the easiest things to check, of course. Yet, all SCOPUS publications are certainly not of the same calibre, there being predatory journals there too. At the same time, there are some journals which are globally renowned, yet not indexed in SCOPUS. So, this entire process is inherently flawed.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 11:50
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Complete BS. No Scopus-listed journal is predatory. Challenge you to name a single predatory journal in Scopus where JGLS or any other faculty have published. The level of fake news posted on LI by jealous people is atrocious.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 13:32
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I never claimed that JGLS faculty have published in predatory journals. I do not know whether they have or not. I do know for a fact that several SCOPUS listed journals have been discovered to be predatory in the past, and several such journals are still listed, and some are undergoing investigation too currently. Any person who actually has got a SCOPUS account would know that. You either need to have institutional access or you have to have SCOPUS indexed publications in order to have access to such account. This year alone, SCOPUS has had to remove a total of 60 journals vide 3 different lists published in February, July/August and October for being predatory and/or questionable quality. They do it every year, yet any person who actually knows about serious academic publications also knows that Elsevier has clearly said that they can't possibly remove all such journals unless people blow the whistle. Several of these journals publish papers with no peer review and within 48-72 hours of payment. Calling it Open Source Payment, Article Processing Charge etc. are some of the common tricks employed. You clearly do not have any knowledge of this world, so maybe you should get some before shooting your mouth off. There have been multiple articles written about this practice and predatory journals being SCOPUS indexed, a casual Google search would reveal those. In fact, someone had even posted some links re some other LI post. Learn to do your homework first.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 17:37
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Completely fake comment once again. The Scopus database is available to any member of the public. None of th journals are predatory. I have reported this comment to Kian and request him to remove it. THIS IS FAKE NEWS.

Searchable list: https://www.scopus.com/sources?zone=TopNavBar&origin=NO%20ORIGIN%20DEFINED

Full list: https://www.elsevier.com/?a=91122
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 02:47
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Tell me then, can you see in the database a list called titles that have been discontinued? If not, then you clearly do not have access to all the features. You are just revealing your ignorance. And if you can actually see that list, which can be downloaded in Excel format, just like the total list of currently indexed titles, then you would have known that what I have said is exactly true. As for the searchable list that you have given the link for, a word of caution, several journals in that list have already been discontinued, although in the searchable list, one can see them still indexed 'till present'. That is quite misleading and multiple complaints have been made to SCOPUS for not keeping this searchable list updated. The best option for anyone who plans to publish in relatively unknown indexed journal is to write to SCOPUS customer care and get it confirmed whether the journal is still an indexed one. I say this purely to help those who might be willing to publish, but end up getting duped by these predatory journals, who might still claim to be indexed even after removal. Once again, these lists of discontinued journals that SCOPUS publishes at least twice every year is available to anyone who has got a SCOPUS account. I do, because I have got a few SCOPUS publications myself. You clearly don't, but your ignorance merely fuels your arrogance.

Kian, if you know any academic with a SCOPUS account, you can verify my claim, or you can easily google yourself the term SCOPUS discontinued lists. Several researchers are kind enough to upload those on public domain like researchgate after downloading that list from SCOPUS.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 05:10
Troll
+0 -3
Fake fake fake once again. The discontinued titles are either journals that no longer exists or journals with an impact factor so low that they were scrapped.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 07:42
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@Guest shouting fake: Are you brain dead? What you are saying is exactly what the other guy has been saying throughout. That there are journals indexed in SCOPUS that get removed periodically for quality issues and being predatory (SCOPUS uses the code 'publication concern' for those). However, that does not remove the already indexed papers from the SCOPUS database from those journals. In other words, the removal is not with retrospective effect. Further, it is also true that since this process is a continuous one, hence there would be journals that are indexed right now, which also stand in danger of being removed later if someone flags those and informs SCOPUS.

What exactly are you referring to as 'fake' here? Even this discontinued list is from the Elsevier website only! Every year, there are 2-3 such lists published by them. Which is why one should consider any SCOPUS publication independently based on how well-known and reputed the journal is, peer-review standards, citation metric etc. Merely being indexed in SCOPUS is not a guarantee of quality. As the other commentator said, academics who actually publish are aware of that. Trolls are not. It is pretty clear to which group you belong.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 07:47
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Fake Shouter dude, please learn to read. You appear to have special insight into SCOPUS way of thought more than even they do. Most of the journals in the discontinued list that have been removed on the ground of publication concerns were predatory and were publishing articles en mass without peer review and not even considering any area, like the same journal publishing medical, engineering, management, law, sociology, economics, everything under the sun. A google search of those journals would reveal that. You claiming otherwise isn't fooling anyone who knows.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 02:49
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/excel_doc/0005/877523/Discontinued-sources-from-Scopus.xlsx&ved=2ahUKEwjg-7LQ_M7tAhVX8XMBHUBwD6EQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2o92tcPgYCoX_Ql1uEkJv3

Here you go, blabbermouth. The link to a slightly older discontinued list. If you had been a little better at doing research, then you might have got SCOPUS publications yourself.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 02:54
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Here are links to articles clearly documenting the presence of predatory journals in SCOPUS.

https://idea-en.cerge-ei.cz/news/46-predatory-journals-in-scopus

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00038-019-01318-w

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7520066/

This guy claiming that all SCOPUS journals are amazing and not predatory clearly has got no clue about the real world. I doubt he has ever got any of his own papers published anywhere worthwhile. If even after this, he keeps on ranting, that would mean that he's a troll, nothing else.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 05:32
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Awwww...the troll is now downvoting factual comments after the inaccuracy of his claims has been laid bare for everyone else to see.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 08:13
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Is the faculty hiring complete? Or will Pishi-Bhaipo give the orders?
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 08:48
+1 -0
Rather Particular and Law Minister have together sent the matter to the state SC/ST department now from what we have been told. To get the reservations approved. Effectively stopped. A pity, because some good CVs had been received apparently, including from alumni teaching elsewhere.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 11:52
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@24.1: If that is true, then that may be a blessing in disguise if recruitments are halted until elections. The law minister and AG will be on their way out after the elections, and Rather Particular will become a non-entity.
Guest 14 Dec 2020, 13:32
+1 -0
One can only hope so. Although there is no reason to believe that their replacements might be any better.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 05:04
+0 -0
Very unfortunate that Kian censored my comment. I compared certain NUJS profs with Game of Thrones characters. In particular, I referred to someone who was initially a simpleton but has now become a scheming and power-hungry villain.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 05:14
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For law journals, the best metric is to see if a journal is listed in one of these databases:

- Lexis Nexis
- Westlaw
- Hein Online
- JSTOR

The leading Indian journals are listed in of these too, such as JILI and various NLU journals.
Guest 15 Dec 2020, 07:50
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That's actually not a bad idea at all. I have not seen any really sub-standard journal indexed in these databases. Of course, I do not know whether any of the journals indexed might accept publication fee or anything like that. Probably not.
guest7 24 Dec 2020, 05:08
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LOL This is what happens if you are high on weed instead doing something fruitful. How does the Left Cong even come into the picture, do they even have organisation in all the constituencies. You all claim to be against politicisation of the campus and yet want the students to approach political leaders. Hypocrisy at its best. Or you have no problem with politicisation if the leaders interfering are your favourites.
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 09:35
Troll
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The news item below means 90% chance the TMC is losing the election and may even finish third, after the BJP and Congress/Left coalition. Thus, an SJA delegation must immediately seek a meeting with BJP bigwigs and share a wishlist of grievances. Another meeting should be held with the incoming opposition (Congress/Left), since it is the Left that actually built NUJS and Congress which supported it during the UPA years. It is really important to start this work in advance now. Stop worrying about the Law Minister and Advocate General, they will soon be history.

https://www.news18.com/news/politics/rebel-tmc-leader-suvendu-adhikari-likely-to-join-bjp-this-week-in-shahs-presence-may-be-given-z-security-3179246.html
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 10:54
+2 -0
Given BJP's track record in education and generally in states like UP, that makes me more worried about the institution than less.
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 11:25
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Why would the SJA have to approach the opposition? They can simply wait to see which government comes into power and who gets appointed in the EC and then approach them. It is not as if that the opposition can help them at this stage anyway. Most of the SJA aren't even voters in the coming election. Take your political trolling elsewhere.
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 18:10
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[quote]Kian, is this info about the 'hack' accurate? Can you try to find out from your contacts at JGLS?
[/quote]

Yes, it is accurate. Apart from the person who posted the original comment, I too have sources who have confirmed this. The commenter has given away the story of the decade, without Kian, LI readers or even the commenter himself realising it. Kian hinted at it in an older story, but without perhaps realising it fully:

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-gu-sonepat-hacks-into-lower-reaches-of-qs-world-college-rankings-in-benchmarking-drive-though-methodology-a-bit-hazy-20190619-10646

Just pause for a minute and think how big a story this is, because the entire Institution of Eminence Scheme (the budget for which is Rs 10,000 crore) + National Education Policy is based keeping in mind the QS ranking. But what the commenter has revealed is that you can hack into the lower tier of the ranking by having a low research score but a high perception score, based on recommendations by your friends whose list you will submit to QS. You give QS 500 names and they contact 20 people randomly, but you know all the 500 will give a good reco anyway.

This is not cheating or unethical, but what it means is that you can outrank a better university solely though PR. This explains why JGLS outranked NLSIU.
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 20:12
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https://theprint.in/health/india-is-missing-about-90-infections-for-every-covid-case-latest-govt-analysis-shows/567898/

Inefficiency helped apparently. But who? Just like inefficiencies of NLUs help those in power and their acolytes.
Guest 17 Dec 2020, 08:46
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Question for Constitutional Law experts: If the Bengal govt collapses next month or if President's Rule is imposed, will the law minister and advocate general continue to be in the NUJS council, until the new assembly in constituted? Or will they be replaced by Presidential/Governor's appointees? I think the Karnataka govt had collapsed midway a few times. What happened to NLSIU at the time? Does anyone know? This is important because the faculty hires are pending and being politicised.
Guest 22 Dec 2020, 11:31
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https://www.scconline.com/blog/post/2020/12/22/in-conversation-with-arjun-agarwal-ex-prez-sja-nujs-and-associate-at-trilegal/
Bemused 22 Dec 2020, 12:02
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If only the author had used in his own life, academic and professional activities some of the principles vociferously advocated by him in his written piece.
Additional info: He did not get elected as president twice. Both the times nobody else had bothered to contest the election, which goes to show the apathy of the 'apolitical student body' that can be 'instrument for change'. Several years down the line, the institution is still reeling from the 'impact' of his activity of getting politicians involved to interfere in the institutional policies and autonomy. His intentions might have been good to begin with, but the lack of [...] foresight displayed harmed the institution more in the long run than anything else. Not to mention that those last-minute arguments prepared, as proudly mentioned in the interview, used to contain glaring loopholes when it came to facts, which is one of the main reasons why he needed to stage a strike to get his demands met instead of getting others convinced through his arguments.
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Guest 22 Dec 2020, 17:54
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@Bemused: Thank you. This needed to be said. Ultimately, this is the legacy of the great man:

1. Kicked out PIB without making backup plans. Gave a statement welcoming Amit Talukdar as VC and praising him, but Talukdar proved to be even worse.

2. Kicked out iPleaders, resulting in loss of revenue and reputation for the college.
Guest 22 Dec 2020, 18:45
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Comments by Bemused and Guest sound like a conversation between King Julien XIII and Maurice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_(2005_film)

Methinks both the comments are by Plead A Lot.