Amarchand to split in two firms on 1 April (but ET rumours of Bharucha-Shardul tie-up almost certainly false)

Split: Inevitable
Split: Inevitable

Amarchand Mangaldas Delhi and Mumbai regions, managed by brothers Shardul and Cyril Shroff respectively, have areed to split into two firms by 1 April 2015, confirmed three independent sources to Legally India, as first reported by the Economic Times today.

Cyril Shroff’s side of the firm, which includes the Mumbai, Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad offices, is currently planned to be called Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas, according to an authoritative source close to Amarchand Mumbai. The Delhi region includes Kolkata, Ahmedabad and Gurgaon.

Legally India had reported on 22 December 2014 that Amarchand Delhi was in early-stage talks with lawyers in Bangalore and Mumbai to open offices there, in mutual anticipation of a break-up of the firm in the ongoing mediation between the brothers.

In late November a source close to Mumbai had said that the mediation was almost certain to be moving towards a break-up.

Bharucha & Partners managing partner MP Bharucha categorically denied to Legally India the ET’s report that cited a “person with knowledge of the split” saying that Amarchand Delhi “may partner with” Bharucha & Partners “on an ‘arm’s length’ relationship” to start a Mumbai office.

Bharucha said that he had also “categorically denied any relationship, actual or potential” to an ET assistant editor about a tie-up with Amarchand Delhi before publication of the story.

A second authoritative Delhi source also denied any Bharucha-Amarchand tie-up and that there was any truth to the ET’s report that Delhi partner Naval Chopra “will possibly relocate to Mumbai to take charge of the new setup”.

Bharucha & Partners has been representing Amarchand Delhi in the Bombay high court case against his brother Cyril and other Mumbai-based equity partners of the firm. In the 18 November 2014 Bombay high court hearing, Shardul’s counsel P Chidambaram read out parts of the will of the late mother Bharati Shroff, who was the single-largest equity holder in the firm, and who had allegedly disinherited Cyril and his side of the family completely.

In court on 18 November both sides agreed to continue their mediation over the future ownership of the firm and whether Bharati’s equity stake could be willed or whether they were subject to restrictions in a family agreement that envisaged equal division of the firm’s equity between the brothers.

Comments

Outsider 26 Jan 2015, 08:06
+13 -6
I guess any chance of them trying to shout "April Fool" to all of us at some point is more or less non-existent now? I will be more interested about what Cyril will be doing to establish a Delhi presence though. He is not exactly the blue-eyed boy of firms up there.
Goofball 26 Jan 2015, 09:10
+53 -7
Does this mean that the Mumbai office will never get the 5 am random emails from SSS? I am ready to uncork the champagne if someone can confirm that to me please.
Delhi 26 Jan 2015, 09:15
+7 -5
What is the Delhi amarchand going to be called.
Delhi 26 Jan 2015, 09:41
+24 -4
[quote name="Delhi"]What is the Delhi amarchand going to be called.[/quote]

Chopra Shroff Amarchand . The two firms Cyril Shroff Amarchand and Chopra Shroff Amarchand can be called CSA and compete:) Kian - you should run a prize for getting the right name.
kianganz 26 Jan 2015, 09:53
+10 -8
I hear Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas is planned for Delhi, but not sure if that's final...
Guest 26 Jan 2015, 12:55
+1 -1
CAM v SAM
Random Bystander 26 Jan 2015, 16:54
+61 -2
SCAM!
Cant be SCAM 27 Jan 2015, 07:54
+19 -0
I am sure aditya shamlal will contest against the use of that name!
Word 27 Jan 2015, 13:55
+0 -0
Tru dat!
The Real SCAM 28 Jan 2015, 16:21
+2 -0
I have already registered the trademark...
Mr. X 28 Jan 2015, 13:24
+6 -0
(S)CAM v. S(C)AM!
Bazinga 26 Jan 2015, 09:59
+24 -1
Hildul AMSS :P
SR 26 Jan 2015, 15:54
+0 -3
Amarchand Mangaldas Shardul Shroff for Delhi and Amarchand Mangaldas Cyril Shroff for Mumbai
U C 26 Jan 2015, 16:01
+7 -2
Head Hunters have already received instructions from AMSS Delhi for Associates and Senior Associates for Capital Market, Banking and Finance and competition team for its Mumbai Office and Bangalore office...Aache din aane wale hai...
kaun hai? 27 Jan 2015, 06:57
+3 -0
If Vahura is for Cyril, who is for Shardul?
Bagban 26 Jan 2015, 10:44
+7 -1
They wouldn't be including Suresh A Shroff's name in the firm's name. That's really sad.
Guest 26 Jan 2015, 10:48
+7 -0
CAM ya SAM? Sounds terrible!!!!
Insider no.1 26 Jan 2015, 11:13
+6 -2
Now finally the world will get to know, which side of the family were the real stars.. this is interesting .
Starting teams will be Cyril AMSS XI- CSS, Viswanathan, SH Bhojani, Ashwath, Yash, Leena, Reeba, Santosh, Amey, Nivedita & Shishir, Extra- VCS.

Shardul AMSS XI- SSS, Pallavi, Jatin, Gunjan, Amit Kumar, Ajoy, Akila, Kalpataru, Ritu Bhalla, Raghubir Menon, & []. Those interested or more knowledgable than me may fill in the blank.

Except in litigation, this looks like a one-sided battle in favour of Cyril AMSS!
Goofball 26 Jan 2015, 12:46
+3 -0
You lost me at 'Extra'
Insider no.1 26 Jan 2015, 17:18
+0 -2
12th man. "Extra" was just to incite comments...
v p s 27 Jan 2015, 15:06
+10 -1
Will V. P. Singh stay with:

(I) Cyril in mumbai;
(II) Cyril in Delhi as head lit;
(III) Shardul in Mumbai.

???
babua 27 Jan 2015, 15:19
+10 -3
you really need to get a life dude. wasting way too much precious time of your life on the Shroffs. spend time with your friends and family.
Goofball 28 Jan 2015, 09:04
+10 -0
Your comment is the epitome of irony.
Idea 26 Jan 2015, 11:29
+4 -1
Shardul's firm can still keep the name AMSS as it is... AMarchand & Mangaldas & Shardul Shroff & Co.
hello 26 Jan 2015, 11:54
+7 -0
birds are tweeting that 1or 2 partners from AZB are joining shardul and will be the core of his set up. double hit to an already injured AZB and to AMSS.
SUN 26 Jan 2015, 12:16
+6 -3
a rejuvinated shardul with azb partners will be a force to reckon with. is it azb ? or veritas ? thats joining shardul
My 2 rupees 26 Jan 2015, 11:56
+8 -2
Amarchand & Mangaldas & Cyril Suresh Shroff & Co.

Amarchand & Mangaldas & Shardul Suresh Shroff & Co.

Name of grandfather: Check
Name of father: Check
Name of sons: Check
Old name of the firm: Check

But then, why should anyone be bothered about the correctness of their decision. Like everyone else commenting - i have more wisdom then the two brothers. Which is why they built AMSS and I wrote this comment. I am sure they would have found it to be the right thing to do.

with the split, it doesn't matter what the name is - the Amarchand & Mangaldas & Suresh A. Shroff & Co as we know it will be dead.

It would be interesting to see how much weight each of the brothers can pull.
DBS 26 Jan 2015, 12:52
+7 -1
so Legally India scoop was right back in December about the split!
DBS 26 Jan 2015, 13:36
+2 -2
certainly a setback to the brand name but will it recover back to its glory days remains to be seen!!
Crawford Bayley was never quite the same after the exodus back in the 80's !! something similar happening here with AMSS.
Guest 26 Jan 2015, 14:22
+23 -2
Watch out ! The wheels are turning against Amarchan and Azb. These organisations have out lived their worth. It's time that they introspect and see how miserably they have failed at institution building and have focused their business around wealth creation for the owners. Cyril and Shardul traded in the goodwill of the Firm, by way of family disputes, completely riding rough shod over their younger partners, who have a huge role to play in building the goodwill of the firm.
Ned Starke 26 Jan 2015, 14:27
+1 -3
Brace yourselves; comments are coming!
Yo yo 26 Jan 2015, 14:29
+5 -0
Shardul and zia tie is also on the table btw...
Benefits:
A. Zia gets a strong delhi presence which is otherwise non existant while shardul gets a bombay office which can compete with cyril from day one.
B. Both firms financial side of operation is same. Since delhi and bombay books of both firms are different there is not going to be much problem.
C. They both know they are not on the right side of age...starting fresh would mean atleast 10 years before they can even genuinely think of aiming to reach where cyril is in bombay or shardul in delhi.
D. Both face same issues in terms of poor bench strenght atleast from family side (needed to continue the name)

Anyways happy that the front wheel of the cycle just came off...will lead to some consolidation in the market and increase in salary for A-0 which is lowest in the top firm bracket.
abc 28 Jan 2015, 12:30
+1 -0
is it a rumour, like a football transfer rumors which have no head or tail
Bollywood 26 Jan 2015, 14:32
+86 -2
Cyril: Mere paas Bombay hai, Chennai hai, Hyderabad hai, Bangalore hai. Aapke paas kyaa hai?
Shardul: Mere paas maa hai!
Mr. X 26 Jan 2015, 15:16
+9 -1
"Aapke"? Too much respect there!
blah blah 26 Jan 2015, 14:36
+11 -1
Just allow the foreign firms already. I started trying to think of alternative firms that may occupy the space of AMSS, and there isn't even one!
guest 28 Jan 2015, 05:18
+0 -0
Very true
Ex AMSS 26 Jan 2015, 15:26
+2 -0
Kian, you made my day! Lovely piece of news.
Jurist 26 Jan 2015, 15:52
+0 -4
In case Delhi AM has some legal work to be done by a Bombay law firm, will it refer to Bombay AM and vice versa?
Lawyer 26 Jan 2015, 17:11
+15 -0
You have totally lost it.
Singham 26 Jan 2015, 18:04
+74 -11
Ofcourse they will... Thats why they are splitting.... Are you from NLSIU?
Singhm Returns 27 Jan 2015, 08:20
+1 -0
Hahahaha, aata yachi satakli...
Duhh 27 Jan 2015, 01:50
+7 -0
Look at the computer.......it glows!!!
Shardul the Saviour! 26 Jan 2015, 16:03
+2 -2
Kian, please let us know how to do number portability from CAM to SAM. Will employees of CAM require No Objection in case they decide to transfer?
curious fresher 26 Jan 2015, 16:06
+5 -1
What effect will it have on recruitments?
bali 26 Jan 2015, 16:35
+9 -2
Naval should relocate to mumbai. He will get out of hildul's eye and can be king of a boat before it becomes a ship(or raft if he runs it down quickly)
aishwarya 26 Jan 2015, 18:02
+1 -1
But of course...
Guest 28 Jan 2015, 14:00
+1 -0
[quote name="bali"]Naval should relocate to mumbai. He will get out of hildul's eye and can be king of a boat before it becomes a ship(or raft if he runs it down quickly)[/quote]
Unless he alone causes it to capsize!!!
BHOnsle 26 Jan 2015, 16:36
+9 -2
This is a winning situation for shardul.. It will be easy for him to enter the mumbai, ahemedabad and south india markets.. Cyril will find it difficult to get into Delhi as Shardul is well connected politically.
Gallery Observera 26 Jan 2015, 18:35
+19 -9
How is Hildul bhai well connnected politically? Cyril's daughter is married to Gautam Adani's son. With Adani being close to the powers that be, would Hildul be able to exploit the clout created by AMSS' in-house Arbitrator?
Tiger Shroff 27 Jan 2015, 07:38
+10 -12
Agree with BHOnsle. You keep observing.
insider 26 Jan 2015, 17:36
+2 -0
Cyril has been making informal offers to delhi associates. But haven't heard shardul doing the same as yet. I think personally all associates should be given an offer to chose.
Papa pancho 26 Jan 2015, 20:11
+0 -1
Let the games begin.... Float your cvs and let the owners poach/ retain you.
Mama Bear 27 Jan 2015, 03:57
+6 -0
Wont the anti poach mean that SAM and CAM will poach from AZB, KCO, JSA, Luthra and Trilegal. Let the salary wars begin.
AZB Dog 26 Jan 2015, 20:24
+14 -2
I'm from AZB and I don't make any money! Show me the bone and I'll jump..
Guest 26 Jan 2015, 21:10
+14 -2
Poor Azb associates, I understand your situation. Hard work, long hours, demanding clients, non appreciative Zia Mody focussed on time slips. This is your opportunity. Make the jump, similar work, better life and a human existence.
bad dog 26 Jan 2015, 22:02
+5 -7
But Zia likes people who roll over and scratch their stomach! I suggest you stay and show some respect for her famous letterhead!
PXV 26 Jan 2015, 20:39
+56 -1
Split happens!
Jinobo 27 Jan 2015, 02:50
+4 -3
Cyril and Zia and Associates (R) aka CZAR is goona happen and will rule Mumbai with an iron fist.
Lawyer turned Banker 27 Jan 2015, 05:45
+9 -10
This will be another Mukesh and Anil Ambani story...except the younger brother will flourish here...Cyril has superior client and talent acquisition skills, also he knows the pulse of the financial markets for which one needs to be in Mumbai.
Neutral Observer 27 Jan 2015, 16:12
+20 -5
You're missing a fundamental point. Cyril may be better networked in the financial markets, but in a war it is strategy which reigns supreme. And so far Shardul has bettered Cyril on all counts. Maybe Shardul's litigation background helps him in that. Someone mentioned about ex-AZB partners joining Shardul. If that were to happen, that would be a game changer. Remember Shardul would have known the contents of the will for a while and therefore would have had much more time to plan for this contingency. My two cents - Cyril so far has been playing this in a very predictable way.
Lawfirm Consultant 28 Jan 2015, 14:33
+1 -1
For growth and attracting/retaining talent it is reputation which is more important than strategy.
Brothers in lulu land 27 Jan 2015, 06:32
+2 -0
Split was inevitable when SS filed the case. But what remains to be seen is what happened with all the property dispute :p
salaries 27 Jan 2015, 09:09
+6 -5
They will both be smart enough not to go crazy with salaries.
Hil is generally crazy but loves his pennies. C is a strategist.
Move On 27 Jan 2015, 09:20
+11 -0
Time to update the CV!
Guest 27 Jan 2015, 09:30
+2 -0
two runs for century
AM observer 27 Jan 2015, 11:08
+4 -1
so who gets to keep amarchand.com?
Gyanchand 27 Jan 2015, 12:57
+4 -1
Hildul.. He is the older brother...
Big Observer 28 Jan 2015, 14:28
+0 -0
RIP amarchand.com
acapulko 27 Jan 2015, 11:11
+30 -7
If anybody wants to tie up with me , let me know now. I have offices in Delhi and Mumbai but no employees, no clients and no work. But i read legally india everyday.
Athiest 27 Jan 2015, 12:29
+13 -0
Well, then u run a boutique law firm started by some similar enthusiasts... You should also have offices in bengaluru and singapore.
dna 27 Jan 2015, 15:09
+1 -4
What about Munich office ??? N California office ??? Fyi, there was never a London office..
Hum 27 Jan 2015, 19:01
+10 -1
Are you referring to some enthusiast from nlsiu? Maybe people know...
dna 28 Jan 2015, 17:43
+0 -1
I am referring to sheer Gujju power.. I am saydeesst!!
Bhangi & Nangu Associates 27 Jan 2015, 13:07
+3 -1
...and what about your London office?
Scooter- 28 Jan 2015, 02:45
+1 -0
castist! chee chee
The Photo 27 Jan 2015, 13:06
+4 -4
I can't believe no one has commented on the wonderful cover photo used by LI. Outstanding photoshopping i say...
Goofball 27 Jan 2015, 14:09
+1 -2
You are very very late to the LI photoshopping party.
Scooter- 28 Jan 2015, 02:46
+2 -2
a slight reduction in SSS's face size would have fit better. good job otherwise
LOL 27 Jan 2015, 21:05
+24 -0
This year's Day Zero will be interesting. :D who will recruit? Who will students pick?

Pity the RCCs - dealing with one amarchand HR is a big pain itself, now they'll have two!
oldtimer 29 Jan 2015, 06:39
+2 -0
I thought RCCs always had to deal with two Amarchand HRs. Atleast in my time people were invited separately to interview for Mumbai and Delhi.
ankit 28 Jan 2015, 08:38
+0 -1
I see that a particular comment about Cyril making offers to delhi associates has been cleverly deleted. LI loyalty!
kianganz 28 Jan 2015, 08:41
+5 -0
Uh, did you read comment #23?
Billu 28 Jan 2015, 08:46
+5 -0
Ankit ki chop ho gayi
Xyz 28 Jan 2015, 10:36
+1 -2
Bombay will prevail in the market on merit.
Vakil saheb 28 Jan 2015, 11:17
+2 -0
Stop reading this article and start updating your CV's and contact head hunters ;)
van Gaal 29 Jan 2015, 08:11
+1 -0
For an ex amss, bbay associate, does it means that he shld apply to CAM for its delhi office or SAM for its mum office?stupid question like van gaals formation but just curious
I love answering the obvious 29 Jan 2015, 10:15
+1 -2
I don't think they are planning to have a common HR
hilly billy silly 29 Jan 2015, 13:03
+4 -1
Now Hil will have 2 separate large offices to create politics in. What fun for him-double spy structures, spy of spy structures and passing favourties. He may even have a culture of spot-transfers to increase intrigue.
Wild Child No. 1 29 Jan 2015, 14:31
+2 -0
Guyzz i hv a question.. i have a tattoo saying Amarchand in my right arm and Mangaldas in the left. If therez a name split, wat 2 do???
I can ans ur query 30 Jan 2015, 07:48
+3 -0
Ye haath!!! HUMKO DE DE THAKUR!!!!
Breaking 29 Jan 2015, 18:53
+0 -0
Meanwhile Cyril has called for a meeting this Saturday. All Mumbai region partners n PAs to be in attendance.
Chota Rajani 29 Jan 2015, 20:55
+0 -0
The meeting is to tell them to identify talent they can't let go of so that they know who they should Not be allowed to be poached by Hildul
thoughts from the throne 30 Jan 2015, 06:41
+0 -0
All of this will also be used to shed redundant people esp in Delhi, there are plenty of those. And hope for their sakes the brothers don't get into headcount competitions as overhiring will just increase coffee point politics.
Hmmmm 30 Jan 2015, 06:41
+1 -0
I am informed that they have freezed their recruitments, including laterals. Is that true ?... and what happens to the recruits who are yet to join. Any thoughts ?
Guest 30 Jan 2015, 07:49
+0 -0
O fish!
Ghanta 30 Jan 2015, 10:18
+1 -0
Enough said
Concerned 30 Jan 2015, 10:51
+3 -0
I'm just sad the much touted explosive Affidavit in Reply won't be made public
Crystal Ball 30 Jan 2015, 21:14
+7 -0
Here is what I think will happen in near future:

(a) Shardul Amss is going to open and start running an office in Mumbai by April end which will most likely be in partnership with the recent AZB stalwarts. The tie up will get Shardul ready talent and leadership in Mumbai and will give the AZB guys the funds to start with a bang;
(B) existing firms like JSA, Luthra, Khaitan will in the meanwhile identify talent pool they want to keep (whatever means required) and prepare for a heavy attrition and start looking for talent on need basis;
(C) market will see a jump in the salaries by around 20-40 percent depending upon the firm and team;
(D) work crunch will be felt and recognised by mid year as there will be more competition without corresponding rate of increase in work, unless increasing approvals approvals and rate cuts provide financial cushion in the market;

Similar effects may be seen in Delhi
The 100th Comment 31 Jan 2015, 03:20
+2 -0
Here's wishing both the Parties all the Best!
sweet chidambaram 31 Jan 2015, 08:32
+2 -0
Economics- I think they won't double their costs when starting the new firm. They will relocate. That way they shed fat in one office and get staffing for 'free' in the new second office. Yes there will be some hires but the set-ups won't resemble a Robinson Crusoe phase. And so there will be a few much-talked of moves but overall a lot less attrition than people suspect/wish. Wish Delhi all the luck, pluck and more.
EconAlert 4 Feb 2015, 00:56
+3 -0
One big monopoly has been broken!
breaking! 4 Feb 2015, 15:11
+1 -1
Apparently in order to retain associates - both offices have decided to defer this year bonus payments and promotions beyond march (read post split)
How? 7 Feb 2015, 14:37
+2 -0
How do u expect to retain people without paying timely bonuses and promoting them? I'm sure there are others who will pick up such disgruntled employees.