Chasm opens at Luthra over opening equity: Rajiv against major dilution, disinheritance, Mohit for • Partnership wants say [UPDATE-1]

Mohit (r) in favour of opening up equity more widely, Rajiv (l) disagrees
Mohit (r) in favour of opening up equity more widely, Rajiv (l) disagrees

A fundamental rift has opened up at L&L Partners over how its long-held promoter equity should be opened up and distributed to other partners in the firm.

The corporate partnership firm, formerly known as Luthra & Luthra, currently has the two co-founding partners hold 100% of the equity: managing partner Rajiv Luthra is understood to hold 66.6%, while senior partner Mohit Saraf owns 33.4%.

Rajiv Luthra has pitched for both Saraf and himself to dilute only 20% of each of their equity on a pro rata basis, freeing only 20% for other future equity partners, we understand from multiple sources in the firm.

By contrast, we understand from several partners that Saraf has been in favour of diluting both their holdings to the point where between 30% to 40% of equity, or more, is available for others (with Luthra giving up the lion’s share of this). Such dilution would not be on a pro rata basis of his and Rajiv Luthra’s equity holdings, which had been fixed more than 20 years ago.

We understand that Saraf’s rationale for diluting more, according to the statements he has made internally, is that he believes a more significant chunk of free equity is required to make such an equity partnership attractive and workable to existing partners and laterals.

Rajiv Luthra’s argument, by contrast, has been that any change should happen only gradually, without releasing a lot of equity at once. He has, however, made some concessions over the course of the discussions.

Another issue of debate is that Rajiv Luthra’s retirement age is currently fixed in the partnership deed at 80 years, and in addition, even after his retirement or the event of his death, his entire equity stake in the firm would go to his family.

Correction 18:09: We had initially misreported that the retirement age under the deed was 85 years, when it is in fact 80 years. The error is regretted. Saraf’s retirement age is fixed at 75 years under the deed.

We understand that discussions had begun again some time late last year, and have been gaining importance within the partnership since then, with several proposals and counter-proposals having been made and floated around.

By contrast, according to a number of L&L partners, we understand that Saraf is in favour of getting this process done more quickly, in part perhaps also prompted by his disagreement over the semi-separate L&L litigation partnership having deferred fee-earner salaries.

Update 18:04: Rajiv Luthra has issued the following statement and we have made two corrections pursuant to the statement, as applicable and indicated:

The details you are inadvertently been carrying are so totally incorrect that it’s difficult to term them mere inaccuracies. It’s a blatant attempt to portray the exact opposite of what was envisaged & how we were to arrive at the new L&L structure for the future.

While these matters of equity have been discussed in detail in multiple partner meetings, it will be incorrect on my part to divulge more details without violating confidentiality that governs these discussions.

Because sometimes,more than 30 colleagues have been privy to these meetings it’s not for me to have to convey both the details & the spirit in which these exercises were undertaken.

The inexactitude of even subordinate details like age of retirement, co-founder, etc. are so obvious that they do not even merit my refuting them.

However in the spirit of discretion and in the way we’ve done things at the firm, I’m merely going to state for the record that these are total falsehoods masquerading as a portrayal of insider moves.

Many in the wider senior (non-equity) corporate partnership, are believed to be in favour of getting equity; over and above that, many would also like a significant democratic say in how the firm is run and managed.

At present, the camps appear to be at an impasse, according to several sources, and ‘words’ are understood to have been exchanged.

For junior L&L partners, much of the discussions would at present be academic, and while many would like the idea of equity and a firm without a glass ceiling, some might also be sympathetic to Rajiv Luthra’s approach of not making any drastic changes, particularly at such challenging economic times with a looming Covid-19 depression.

We have reached out to Rajiv Luthra and Saraf for comment and will update this story if we hear from them or come by any other information.

20 year old deed

We understand that at the crux of the dispute lies the partnership deed entered into between Saraf and Rajiv Luthra when Luthra & Luthra Law Offices in 1999, as it had been called when Saraf had joined as Luthra’s partner and the proprietorship became a partnership. It was back then a much smaller operation. Luthra had started the firm around 1990.

Correction 18:06: We had initially stated that both Saraf and Luthra were co-founders of the firm, but we understand that the firm had been founded in 1990 by Luthra and Saraf only became an equity partner in 1999 when it became a partnership.

The firm, which rebranded to L&L Partners in 2018 in a bid to move away from the promoter-driven brand and to reflect that it now had more than 300 fee-earners and many partners.

The deed, however, has remained in place.

The never-ending equity story

Opening up the firm’s equity has been on the agenda - but perennially shelved - for many years at L&L.

In one of our first major law firm scoops, in 2009, the management had vowed it would be moving to an equity lockstep model, modelled on foreign law firms’.

Rajiv Luthra had told us in June 2009: “I had founded the firm and over the years I kept releasing equity. But then we thought it would be more efficient to bring in a new system.

“We’ve taken a firm view on it - the firm is nice and mature and needs to go to the next level.”

By the end of July 2019 the lockstep equity plans had been officially delayed and eventually, by 2012, even those plans were not officially talked of again.

However, we understand that discussions had occasionally re-started amongst management and the more senior (non-equity) partners about whether equity would ever happen, though those all eventually petered out.

Retention / recruitment without equity can be hard when everyone else is now offering equity

In the time since then, the firm had lost many of its star partners to other firms, particularly in the corporate space.

For rivals, many of which had gradually began dangling at least a modicum of equity to partners, Luthra had become a fertile hunting ground (the most recent example being corporate partner Alina Arora who joined the equity partnership of Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas in May of this year).

Between 2016 and April 2019, at least seven corporate partners had left the firm. Between 2014 and 2016, another four had departed.

The capital markets team had in 2013 seen the departure of partner Madhurima Mukherjee, who had built the practice; this was followed six years later by who had been her second-in-command, partner Manan Lahoty, and 17 other lawyers including four partners who had defected to IndusLaw to set up its capital markets practice.

Comments

Alum 17 Sept 2020, 10:20
+8 -3
Kian - wrote this in a hurry? You may want to proof read this, and check sentence construction and use of full stops.
kianganz 17 Sept 2020, 12:44
+13 -2
Many thanks, now mostly corrected, I believe.
not yet 17 Sept 2020, 12:50
+10 -0
"by the end of July 2019 ..."
Attention to Detail 18 Sept 2020, 16:05
+2 -0
@Kian you might to change the July 2019 to July 2009
Good article 17 Sept 2020, 12:57
+4 -1
Good inside story!
Ayela Jamaila 18 Sept 2020, 11:40
+10 -4
It's obvious: this situation has been orchestrated by those WHO STAND TO BENEFIT from this row.

They want RKL to stay & bring business
They want MS to stay & bring business
WHILE maximising what they get when the golden doors open

Their (let's call it) "enthusiasm" is making them eye RKL's [i]bigger[/i] pie instead of pro-rata dilution by RKL & MS

While anyone can see it makes sense for gradual pro rata dilution
They've swayed MS & made him feel like a 'victim'
Despite his fortunes sky-rocketing tied to Mr Big Man

[b]Mark my words:[/b]
Those making these opportunistic 'moves' will quickly shut the door for future generations

All this has become public only now, but has been brewing for a LONG TIME
Everyone thinks twice before applying to L&L
So many talented lawyers have left, or career trajectories irreparably 'made' to fail because of politics

It's been clear for a while - this ship is sinking in slow-motion

Those making these 'insider moves'... Here's a question
If you're so valuable & deserve equity
Why didn't you gather self-respect & LEAVE anytime in the past decade?

Fittingly, instead of opening the Golden Doors, they're getting a proverbial .... shower or a .... finger instead
baby 19 Sept 2020, 03:57
+4 -0
Yes. Agreed. There is a human side to MS. He is like an elder brother for many. But there is a humane side to RKL also. Don't ignore it. He is a large man.....with a large heart. MS himself said that when he was buying a house in Anand Niketan, he borrowed Rs. 50 lacs from RKL. And then he tells Rajiv that Rajiv could only stay in a DDA flat. Their lies the difference between the two of them
Guest 19 Sept 2020, 13:36
+2 -3
The people you target have nurtured large and market leading teams; one of them has over 25 people associated with him and the other 2 have over 20 people; each of them does market challenging transactions. So have some respect. You must have been running a 3 member team and so feel inadequate obviously and hence the need for using a finger or fetishes like Showers to feel adequate.
LOtaaR 17 Sept 2020, 13:02
+20 -2
This is the end... beautiful friend.... the end.... Mordor and Isengaad will fall...
Baseless 17 Sept 2020, 13:11
+5 -13
Differences are there everywhere. What’s the big deal here. Healthy debate is always good. Remember they announced bonus a couple weeks back so all is well. They just need to decide which way is the right way for everyone.
Caseless 17 Sept 2020, 14:13
+38 -2
That healthy debate, my dear friend, resulted in CAM and SAM. But you enjoy your Alice in Wonderland!
Brainless 17 Sept 2020, 16:57
+6 -2
Why would you think L&L breaking up may not be an acceptable outcome and the “right way for everyone”? SCAMs have done well. So come out of your rabbit hole.
More or less 18 Sept 2020, 07:09
+0 -3
This explains why you did what you did. Your intentions are as clean as your hands. Wonder which sanitizer you use.
Fertility! 17 Sept 2020, 13:14
+25 -5
And Luthra seems to be a fertile hunting ground for LI as well. When stories dry up, pick up the sinking ship story and everyone is excited.
baby 17 Sept 2020, 16:07
+5 -3
I hope your [...] friend can advise you that a deed (even if signed twenty years earlier) continues to be valid.
Insider 17 Sept 2020, 13:35
+31 -5
I find the halabaloo of minor inaccuracies, if any, by Mr Luthra rather 'Trump-ish' attempt to dismiss the report as ‘fake news’. It is not as if he had made the partnership deed public and yet it was wrongly reported. To get the sum and substance of the same was an achievement.

A good lawyer, also having studied in Chaudhary Charan Singh (CCS) University, informs me of the judgment in Bharwada Bhogini Hirjibhai vs. State of Gujrat AIR 1983 SC 753, whereby the apex court holds that over much importance cannot be attached to minor discrepancies, which do not go to the root of the matter. The fact that the carrot of dilution of equity has been dangled by Mr. Luthra for over a decade has neither being disputed nor as a matter of fact can be. A firm which claims to work on structuring deals for clients, but is unable to engineer its own structure for over a decade, will have to do some soul searching and it seems these details and discussions cannot be suppressed any further.

The state of affairs in the CSS partnership is rather sad and the ex judge-lawyer leaving recently shows that the new breed will not accept the mai-baap culture any further. I recall Mr. Luthra speaking of his having brought in a new culture in L&L when he started it, as earlier there was an expectation that the junior lawyers would also touch the feet of the boss when he paid them the salary. Now the demand of those emancipated individuals seeking a seat at the table as equals must seem a betrayal to him. The fake news spin comes from the shock of those days of groveling coming to an end. The mere thought of equity in a professionally run law firm going to descendants must be abhorred. Kangana Ranaut where are you? Kian don't you smell NEPOTISM?
L@L 17 Sept 2020, 14:48
+10 -0
Inheritance of equity and smoothies have a decade long history as well. https://indiankanoon.org/doc/112037349/
L@L 17 Sept 2020, 14:49
+21 -0
[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/WTcOuIjjIUbqF67Khe/200.gif[/img]
randomisers 18 Sept 2020, 17:03
+3 -0
what's the smoothie reference? also could someone please clarify what TLC means?
Seasoned Intern 26 Sept 2020, 12:32
+4 -0
You're right on the larger point reg the CSS partnership on the first floor (I mean - who doesn't know [...]), but gotta disagree with your analysis of the ex-judge lawyer situation.
That entire team was in a different league, and just not in-sync with the drag which L&L Litigation has become.
And that's the reason almost everyone who mattered in the team, including the ex-judge lawyer himself, has moved on.
Kitaab2 27 Sept 2020, 18:21
+0 -0
Lol dont try to insert irrelevant discussions here. Those people dont belong in this discussion and have already been forgotten.
Guest 17 Sept 2020, 13:56
+34 -1
This Luthra equity partnership is also like the foreign firm entering India kind of news. All junior associates hear about from the time they join law firm profession but even after becoming a salaried partner neither of these two have happened.

On a separate note, L&L owners (who refer to themselves as sovereign of L&L) do not have the heart to share equity. Big man is only capable of throwing good parties but when it comes to ownership, he will not give up control ever as he
believes it is his firm and he wants to leave it to his family. As far as MS is concerned, his intent is exactly the opposite. As MS is getting older, he is also becoming bigger and his aspirations are also becoming bigger and therefore he is not happy being Big man's right hand anymore. In all fairness, he has been running the firm for last 7-8 years and big man is only available to be consulted on major matters. Therefore, from MS s perspective, it is time that this firm be run completely in a manner MS envisions. For that to happen, he needs to ensure that big man is not in unilateral control. Hence MS would prefer dilution in a manner that big man alone does not have veto power and I assume MS is hoping that the new generation of partners will support him in his decisions, if he fights to get equity for them. Typical movie plot.
Ex L&L 22 Sept 2020, 13:09
+3 -1
Does the firm even have any big matters?
Alias 17 Sept 2020, 14:23
+20 -16
This clarifies that Mohit is the more honest and sincere guy between the two. Mohit is upfront , while RKL is slimy and plays games. He, and not Mohit, has been the reason behind some of the star partner exits (Aparna, Shishir, Madhurima) People who meet RKL are misled to believe that he is the nicer guy and Mohit is responsible for all the draconian policies / practices. Only after spending some fair amount of time does one get to know the reality
Optimist99 17 Sept 2020, 15:06
+17 -1
Mohit is "nice" and "sincere" ..
Thus RKL should dilute greater stake?

Sounds disingenuous

C'mon, MS. Pro rata dilution seems fair
Realist 17 Sept 2020, 17:19
+16 -9
In a professional services based firm, equity share should be reflective of value that one brings to the table/pool. As counsels in the firm have grown over the years and as the legal services market has developed, the relative contribution of the Big Man has depleted. No longer do deals / clients swing your way due to a round or two of golf at Delhi gymkhana or a few shots of 24 year whiskey from Japan/New Zealand/Papua New Guinea etc. Clients care about expertise and Big Man is sorely unable to show case that. So while “nice” and “sincere” doesn’t explain disproportionate dilution, relative contribution does. TBH by that standard Big Man should be negative but well India and feudalism etc, so let him have higher equity but not at cost of Mohit.
RealRealist 17 Sept 2020, 19:21
+19 -4
The fact that you think golf is played at Delhi Gymkhana - or that the big man's contribution has 'depleted' - shows how inaccurate your information is, as by extesion, is your entire comment.

But please, by all means - carry on serenading.
Really RealRealist? 18 Sept 2020, 06:19
+10 -3
To miss the bigger picture but fight over punctuation is just the type of lawyering which gives this profession a bad name. And you appear to be someone who could be a leading light in a parade of such shallowness. And of course Big Man and you would fit in well as you obviously do even now - he has this unique and beyond compare ability to only talk of And focus on inanities without ever getting to addressing the main point.

And while you point out about Delhi Gymkhana, let me confess I belong to an environment not as rarefied as yours and so have no idea what happens beyond the walls of such a club and didn’t wish to google it to educate me about it. Also, in your appraisal it would be pointed out that Papua New Guinea and NZ may not have whiskeys of repute to make the Big Man boast.

Finally, if you are within the firm you are aware of what Big Man does while in Citi and while elsewhere. [...] To also be claiming that he generates work from the numerous conflict checks he sends is such travesty [...]
DGC 18 Sept 2020, 10:53
+1 -3
DGC tennis courts and chicken sandwiches rock. Anyone taking a client there for a round of either followed by a stiff drink at that oh so elegant bar will end up bagging that client. Country clubs dont get no better than this in India.

Oh BTW Gold Club butter chicken is good.
Really Really! 18 Sept 2020, 14:35
+4 -1
How is pointing out an incorrect fact synonymous with punctuation? And did you not read the part of the comment which talks about the big man NOT being depleted? The comment addresses "both" your (inaccurate) points

Judgment puri padhni chahiye - not just the portion that's suitable.

If you're opposing a big company in a matter, you don't need to be a PART of that Company in order to represent your Client. You can get the correct facts through - research! The fact that you don't know what happens 'beyond the walls' of clubs goes to show - again - how unreliable your comment is. Also, its very easy to badmouth "any lawyer" under security of anonymity - talk about giving a bad name to the profession.

Client developments often happen over a drink, dinner, etc. It's nothing unique to L&L. How does it matter if its at a Club or a Hotel on Lodhi Road?

Hope you got the bigger picture - and yes: DGC Chicken sandwiches ftw!
Not Mohanjodaro 18 Sept 2020, 16:25
+6 -3
Clearly you are not and in the last 7-10 years have not been within the corporate firm [...]

Why don’t you ask him about his contribution to development of relations with a leading foreign commercial bank with operations in India? Or ask him why India’s leading construction company doesn’t fancy working with us and he hasn’t been able to turn that around. Or about his regular ME visits but from which not 1USD of work has come. Even in cap markets where boards get involved and so a number of what he shows off as his bum chums are around, he cannot push things most time and this even when the market leading CM team was there a year back. The new one gives him ample excuse since it is still finding their feet.

While there was a time and place when clients from overseas would get charmed by the Great Indian Rope Trick (aka maybe the chicken s/w at DGC), that’s not the case anymore. Today people first want to check credentials and ability and he comes across as an extremely shallow person with no ability except to talk about his greatness and that insurance deal which he brokered 10 years back or the car company whose taxes he used to do and whose chairman sent him a car when he visited London or the Water works for the Bollywood actor. The Rope Trick and personal glory could work as an icing but is not the main dessert and so I again reiterate his contribution is depleted or even negative. That one coffee deal or defence JV deal or banking company’s corruption review in 10 years counts for nothing. He sits on board of a major media company and we get nothing from them (his excuse he is an independent director) or their much larger affiliate. If he wishes to control the firm then he should be delivering the mega bucks through mega deals and not sermonize about culture, values and integrity as a means to deviate from the topic at hand. Irony is that other than him no one else in the Corporate side has even remotely come close to being even [...]
Naamdhari 18 Sept 2020, 18:09
+1 -0
The reason why that media company does not give us work is not because of him. It's because someone [...] messed up the advice during poll season and others had to jump in and save the day. Yet he did not do anything to reign in said person.
baby 18 Sept 2020, 16:51
+5 -2
and he joined at 7500 rupees a month. Rajiv gave him what he is today
Wowwow 18 Sept 2020, 23:18
+0 -0
That's a nearly 30X raise from Rs. 7500. Wow! All in 20/21 years....what does that say about growth. [img]https://media3.giphy.com/media/TIRlx3Fzi1A7L2d5z7/200.gif[/img]
Guest 19 Sept 2020, 11:10
+15 -2
Question is not what Mohit makes or what Rajiv makes. This is a struggle for junior corporate partners who work round the clock and get paid pittance as the founders take a lion’s share on account of their equity interest. It has been on for 10 years plus and gets deflected every time by some tangential stuff like what happens to capital account, how to structure taxes, how to ensure growth in a family mould, how to chose the right people, how to ensure the structure outlasts everyone. Be clear these are issues raised with no suggestion at all to handle these. For all of them, the response is “You guys think And come back”. Absurd. And when we do get back a new issue or a ridiculous ego based control issue comes out.

Theoretically, if Mohit makes 22cr then Rajiv makes 44 cr. Question is whether this amount is justified or this amount which Rajiv/ Mohit make is because of their exploitation of junior partners. That is the reason why corporate partners are saying that Rajiv and Mohit’s interest needs to be at 51 per cent ownership and the new partners should be at 49 per cent ownership....this implies that 50% of 66 cr is available for the new partners’ kitty and 16 cr each to Rajiv and Mohit. In this fight Mohit will make less money and he will have to share his power with new equity member. Yes, corporate Partners will make more money but this pop and mom place will be transformed into an institution. There will be accountability of senior mgt; democratic decision making process be introduced and where junior partners can call the Firm’s as there .

On the other hand, Rajiv is fighting that his time and expense cannot be audited by junior partners , he does not get diluted to 25.5 % although his efforts don’t justify even 10 % ownership, he can keep extracting money from the Firm till he retires at 80, and he and his family can get 8 cr annually after the age of 80, his family can inherit his ownership after completing law from Meerut university; he has power to act only in his interest by asking performing partners to leave the Firm if they question him, he has the ability to change the destiny of the Firm by using his veto rights.

In litigation practice Rajiv’s interest was 33% and Bobby’s interest was 18% in 2014. Bobby resigned in 2014 and his only condition was that he wanted his interest to be increased from 18% to 28% based on his efforts and Rajiv’s interest should be reduced from 33% to 23 % based on Rajiv’s efforts. Basis the seniors partners’ effort, Rajiv was forced to bring down his interest in the litigation practice to 23% and Bobby’s interest is now at 28%. Same thing the corporate partners’ are asking that Rajiv and Mohit’s interest be at 25.5 % each and 49 % be a available for distribution. Rajiv has refused to even meet equity dilution committee members in last the 6 months so that he can maintain status quo.

So let’s not make it into a R v. M fight. Even assuming both are as disinterested (which last 12 months have shown is not the case and MS is more jeen than ever), the issue is where is equity and ownership for performers or should we as a firm keep losing people because of such shortsightedness.
Hyperealist 18 Sept 2020, 19:15
+14 -0
You obviously have no idea how clients come to law firms. No one gives a shit about expertise buddy, because 10 people can do the same kind of job considering the sheer skill in the market. It all comes down to as crass it may sound - who likes you, is related to you, owes you a favor, who you know, where your connections are, etc.
Guest 19 Sept 2020, 05:50
+3 -1
Absolutely correct. Litigators, look around. The stars, the rising stars and those who will be the rising stars are the ones, who fall in one or all such categories - who likes you, is related to you etc.
Guest 20 Sept 2020, 06:20
+1 -3
Mad Men Mad Enough. By this logic, an Indus would not succeed. A Trilegal of today would not succeed. Infact a Trilegal of yore also had one connection. A JSA of today would be dead on arrival. Don’t demean hard work and abilities as a draw. Maybe your clients get swayed over a drink, my clients however first get faith in my ability and then we drinks as friends would. There is no quid pro quo around alcohol or you scratch mine and I scratch yours. Belief in competence is what counts. But each has their own experience. You succeed through Mad Men, we will peddle Good Wife and Practice where work is what matters and not buddies drinking Old Fashioned.
Cuban Cigar 21 Sept 2020, 05:31
+3 -2
It’s just not golf, whiskey or the expensive cigars but also nominating yourself in every publication (like legal500, who’s who legal) that makes him get all the clients. Stalwarts and senior partners like Sameen, Sundeep and Samir were able to get their names as the contact person only a couple of years back. If one needs legal advice, one doesn’t contact the Big Man but MS. There is a reason why MS is the one who features on news channels when a complex legal issue is discussed.

In my view, the Big Man is [...] insecure, and tries to clip the wings of star partners like (Shishir, Madhurima, Aparna) when he seems them as a threat. It’s no secret that these chaps were pulled up for meeting clients (big or small) without the Big Man being present. He doesn’t even know the L of law. He is more of a businessman than a lawyer - “who knows how to get things done”. It’s because of this reason private equity clients will never consider Luthra as their first choice - these smart people don’t want to bend the rules and are able to see through the BS.
Smoked sambuka 22 Sept 2020, 05:38
+0 -2
You really seemed to have somked the cuban cigar and some other strong stuff, [...] The firm has reached where it has reached because it has some fine professionals who take pride in their work and could deliver on the work introduced by these 2 senior partners. [...] There are a myriads of reasons why they should both dilute [...]!
Hope the cigar helps in understanding what's said here.[img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/ffMNfuavzkYRa/200.gif[/img]
Dambuuka 22 Sept 2020, 09:25
+2 -0
Yeah but if it wasn't for the rainmakers, these talented ones would be twiddling their thumbs. Sadly they lost some good rainmakers. Everyone knows that there are very few of those there. The rest are there for the free ride.
ZRS 17 Sept 2020, 14:30
+17 -1
If you genuinely believe that MS is really wanting to now open 'larger' pool for all, then you are naive.
If you think that RKL will allow for any meaningful dilution and that too with him requiring to dilute more, then you are beyond naive.
10 years delay is the only thing that people must remember.
This is all talk to get people to calm down as tempers are a little hot in some teams ...
Neither of them will take any real steps - smarter lawyers have figured this and moved out than wait for next 10 years.
Nation wants to know 17 Sept 2020, 14:41
+42 -6
Luthra is following the Shroff model.

Business World inaugural awards splashed all over has SHARDUL Shroff as head of the jury. The awardees include daughter dearest and son in law.

Why won’t Rajiv Luthra want to leave everything to his daughters. # Shroff inspired # nepotism # will Kian be Arnab # Is Mohit going to be Kangana
8 under 40 17 Sept 2020, 16:17
+91 -6
This requires more spotlight. The BW 40 under 40 with Shardul Shroff as head jury, not only awarded Shardul’s own daughter and son-in-law in that list but also included 8 SAM lawyers in that list of 40 and one person who is very close to the Shroff family (ex-associate + current consultant). And surprise surprise! Not a single CAM lawyer in that list.

This is a joke! Really it’s time to call these legal awards out.
CAM? 17 Sept 2020, 16:48
+3 -57
Enough baseless insinuations.
Can you point out even one out of those 8 lawyers that doesn’t deserve to be on that list? They’re all young stars in their own practice areas.....
Numerous independent intl magazines have recognised their talent
And please don’t forget that there were numerous other top class, honest, leading lawyers in the jury whose integrity is beyond question.....
Scam 17 Sept 2020, 18:51
+32 -1
The two members from the SAM shroff family. Since that’s conflict of interest.

Facts, not baseless insinuation.

Tenets of natural justice since the young stars at Sam lack basic fundamentals:-

1. No man shall be judge in his own cause. Howdy Baby Shroff and son in law.

2. Justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done. Howdy chair of the jury awarding and rewarding his family.

Book of proverbs from the time of Jacob - He who digs his brothers grave will falls into it himself. CSS sends his regards. The tide is turning.
MasterStroke 18 Sept 2020, 04:32
+34 -1
And the rest were mostly from KCO...thanks to their partner RBJ also being in the jury ! Such a sham these awards were and the world speaks to nepotism ;)
Foodieyea 18 Sept 2020, 05:49
+12 -0
Yeah one of them is a self proclaimed food critic!
Former SAMmie 25 Sept 2020, 11:04
+1 -1
Yes...why is one particular IFS officer singled out other than for being friends with the head of the jury and certain other persons named on the 40 under 40? There are numerous other who have actually won IFS medals, LBSNAA awards and international recognition, who haven't been featured on this list.
PKD 17 Sept 2020, 17:00
+5 -0
You will find a list of awards online that are largely considered (i) spam [no comment]; (ii) credible [like ALB]; (iii) or 'noble' [like IFLR]..

The thing is, even those who apply to these awards know for the most part that such Under-40 type awards mostly bring a badge you could put in the signature section of your e-mail, and nothing more. But you have to start somewhere right? [To get to IFLR, I mean].

The target are also potential clients, and not peers. We all know our peers would more often than not be aware of who is worth what.
Query 18 Sept 2020, 02:57
+1 -1
What about chambers and LEGAL500? Genuine query
Response 18 Sept 2020, 06:05
+5 -0
They are mostly genuine and well researched. Exceptions there too but overall reliable. It is almost impossible to buy your way to a Chambers or Legal 500 ranking.
Query continued 18 Sept 2020, 06:57
+2 -0
@kian - what's your take on a ranking of rankings? May be time for you to do a poll of polls type ranking
Gulab Khatri 18 Sept 2020, 10:23
+4 -0
And ET 40 under 40?
anon!! 19 Sept 2020, 07:39
+4 -0
As well as Who's Who. They are also pretty genuine
Falgo 18 Sept 2020, 03:37
+7 -1
@Kian time to do a small piece on the BW list and then see the comments on what people really think about the list and how it was made.
25k 19 Sept 2020, 14:44
+5 -0
It's a nice business model. At least 40 * 25k per nominee is guaranteed. Assuming there were a few more that's a cool way to make money during covid. If people have work and clientele it speaks for itself. Some of the awardees deserve it very well and obviously it's just a collectible for them, for the rest, well at least they 'bought' some happiness.
Hefty 17 Sept 2020, 17:24
+25 -0
And these awards seek a hefty “registration fee” or “nomination fee”.

Kian make a list please of all the paid awards. From the legal era ones (they ask for 75 k) to BW who ask for 25k.
Kosher 18 Sept 2020, 05:02
+18 -1
There's more. Shardul Shroff on jury = 8 from SAM. Rabindra Jhunjhunwala on jury = 6 from Khaitan. If you see the entire list, more than 60% has a direction connection with at least 1 jury member. BW has ensured that the real deserving people on that list get undermined by the way the list was compiled.
Ummm 18 Sept 2020, 06:24
+3 -2
Not taking away anything from the theme of the comments in this chain, but Rajiv Luthra on jury = just 1 from Luthra & Luthra.

Now you can debate on whether that is : (1) a reflection on the (lack of) quality of *good enough* under 40 lawyers at Luthra; or (2) a reflection of Rajiv Luthra's ethics that he didn't nominate too many from Luthta even though he was on jury; or (3) the other lawyers nominated by Luthra were not deemed to be good enough by other jury members; or (4) Luthra/ relevant partners didn't want to pay much for the rankings; or (5) whether the Luthra management believes in not promoting its partners for such awards, as they might believe they can't let these partners become too big.

I know enough partners at Luthra who are not 40 yet, so it can't be the case that they don't have enough under-40 partners. I'm really surprised that a particular corporate partner on the [...] floor did not make it to this list.
Bummmm 18 Sept 2020, 07:42
+3 -1
Its Rajiv so it has to be 5, especially in these times where he wishes to promote only those who are in his camp. A certain someone did become lawyer of the year. A certain other got called-up for [...] work with no knowledge or experience. A certain another got sent to the Lower House. Its happy times at Luthra.
Bummmmmmmmmmm 18 Sept 2020, 08:44
+0 -0
Why was the word “[...]” bleeped. Bad word? Incites passion, violence, is defamatory - what is it????
Guest 18 Sept 2020, 10:54
+0 -0
If you can elaborate. It will be very helpful to understand the dynamics.
Scooter- 20 Sept 2020, 07:54
+5 -0
Clearly if RKL thinks no one in this firms is good enough to deserve equity (and if that's thr case, it should be a big concern for LL), he's not confident of the 40 u/ 40 as well!
Gobsmacked 19 Sept 2020, 17:39
+1 -0
So true and utterly ridiculous! Cannot imagine the gall of these ‘legal stalwarts’ sitting with smug faces while they pretend they have played no part in awarding their family and business partners and doing BR for their own firms! ‘Recused’ themselves from the process, it seems! Such a laughable gimmick!
Guest 23 Sept 2020, 10:02
+0 -0
How shameful SSS and your kins!!!
216 18 Sept 2020, 04:43
+15 -1
If there is an award for "blind marketing with no clue on how it is going to be perceived" it will go to this years BW awards. No class.
Observer 18 Sept 2020, 05:13
+4 -1
Totally agree with this. How can a partner of a firm judge whether lawyers from his own firm (including relatives) get what is supposed to be an industry award? Shouldn't the judge recuse himself in matters where there is inherent conflict? This particular award sounds like it has become a marketing tool where successful lawyers contribute their time to promote their next generation of lawyers rather than recognition of new talent.

Why point fingers at Bollywood when it seems that nepotism is rampant in the legal fraternity as well.

Based on this experience if your firm's partner is not on the judging panel don't take part.
Guest 18 Sept 2020, 10:36
+4 -0
Why bother for these useless awards? Let them be given to those to whom they are given.
Under 40, over 20, just started, about to finish...... whatnot.
Kuch nai hona bhai!!! 17 Sept 2020, 14:44
+33 -2
The famous Kejriwal dailouge to sum up- Sab mile huye hai ji..
Alice in Wonderland 17 Sept 2020, 15:01
+12 -2
@Kian, I am unable to understand the distinction that you try to draw in this article between what Rajiv Luthra is offering and what seems to be Mohit's (and the other 'senior corporate partners (non equity)') proposal. You seem to have reported that Rajiv is offering to dilute 40% (20% himself and 20% Mohit) of the current equity and Mohit seems to be offering to dilute the equity in a manner that 30-%-40% is available for the others, with Rajiv diluting more. So in effect both Mohit's proposal and Rajiv's proposal is the same as far as other non equity partners are concerned, with in both scenarios other partners getting about 40% of the pie (though might be lesser in case of Mohit's proposal) and the dispute is merely who will dilute at what proportion? Is that a fair assessment?

Typical of Mohit and Rajiv to play these games while others get nothing. As equity partners with such huge earning they ought to have stepped up a long ago, instead of just having a dispute between themselves while others are made to work like log bearers. This culture permeates through the organization. There are some so called 'senior corporate partners' who are a dread to work with. How Rajiv and Mohit treat the Firm, they treat their teams, with unprofessional behaviour, yelling matches, zero accountability or responsibility and mistreatment being meted toward every member in their team. The way office boys and guards are treated publicly by these so called high and mighty begs disbelief in their education and value system. Everyone knows this and at least amongst us associates this is a widely known and discussed.

As an alumni, I only hope that the Rajiv, Mohit and their respective coterie of champions, recognise the hubris of arrogance they are sitting on. Equity is only one thing that is wrong with the Firm. Wake up and smell the liquor on the 9th Floor. Not just me, most of my batchmates have already left, or are about to leave, because of this toxic culture that is permeated by a few.
Carroll 17 Sept 2020, 17:34
+4 -2
....would be shocked that you would use his classic to write such tripe.

RKL says 20% of their respective equity which would mean 20% of 66.6 and 20% of 33.3. Means 20% overall. Mohit is saying 40% overall.

As to what is wrong with the firm, yes equity is one. But is root cause as there is no accountability of the leadership today. With meaningful equity we hope that would happen as also would democratic spirit as alluded to in the article. Challenge is RKL believes he doesn’t need to explain himself to anybody while he can judge everyone. Such inferiority complex. He knows his conduct is abhorrent and with new equity, he could be held to account and so on one or the other reason, he wishes to exit his commitments and obligations.

Mohit has been willing to consider equity but previously has had a challenge with amount. Better part of last decade the firm was in the doldrums and so a significant dilution would have meant people realising the mess the firm was in but a nominal dilution would have enabled him to give nominal sums from his / RKL’s pocket masquerading as equity payout. So he pitched for nominal but even then RKL filibustered with need to build a collegiate atmosphere and growing the pie etc etc etc. Today firm has turned a corner and so Mohit knows nominal would not be good and wishes for greater release on basis of value contribution but hits the Great Wall of RKL whose argument remains the same - collegiate atmosphere, family feelings etc. The guy is not even ingenious enough to come with new arguments.
DilliKaDil 17 Sept 2020, 15:19
+18 -0
I do not want a Jug
Neither a Mug
Lets invent a Drug
Which will kill the Bug
And no one is a Thug.
JagatJogia 17 Sept 2020, 17:59
+13 -0
Get back to the grind
Dont behave like you are blind
The Earth is Round
Touching the ground
I am Bangalore bound
Guest8 17 Sept 2020, 16:59
+5 -28
MS you rock!
Lawyers who have interacted with you know, what a strong work ethic who have. If L&L has reached this height it is only because of the sheer sheer hard work done by MS. You work day and night for the betterment of the firm and you strive to make L&L the best firm.
Dooba Dooba 18 Sept 2020, 05:52
+9 -0
[img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/Zac70lWrMi9ZJBvB8n/200.gif[/img]
ex LL 17 Sept 2020, 17:16
+32 -4
i left the firm a long time ago but could see this coming even then. M Sarafs ambition will destroy this firm. Mr luthra is anything but greedy and frankly this story doesn’t add up. Mohit who joined the firm as an associate is sitting with 30 percent equity which means RKL is not the one who has an issue with parting with his share.
Guest 18 Sept 2020, 07:44
+1 -1
You left a long time ago - that was when 1995 - 1999. If you had left anytime after 2007, then you would not make a comment as above unless you are the other man, which might quite be true. Cause other than himself I wonder who else think of him as principled. Even himself is a doubt.
A0 19 Sept 2020, 09:40
+0 -0
We earn 1.15/month
A1 22 Sept 2020, 13:19
+0 -0
Wow.. That's more than CAM and JSA.
Lawstudent4thyear 17 Sept 2020, 17:27
+0 -5
Any idea how much does a L&L A0 associate earn?
Ex associate 17 Sept 2020, 22:26
+10 -1
Depends on which college one graduates from. Top tier law schools, so to say, have a retainer of 1.15 per month.+ A variable component (bonus) of around 2.2 annually (subject to performance).
Still? 18 Sept 2020, 06:50
+1 -0
I heard Luthra moved past the differential pay based on Law School. Are they still doing it?
Yes 18 Sept 2020, 07:28
+0 -8
Why shouldn’t they?
Ex associate 18 Sept 2020, 09:26
+5 -0
This is for the corporate division.

Litigation (which at Luthra includes competition, tax, trade, IPR) is significantly (about 20% ) lower from what I've heard.
PeePee 18 Sept 2020, 10:56
+1 -0
IP? HA HA HA HA ... joke of the century
Lawstudent4thyear 18 Sept 2020, 06:22
+5 -1
As far as I have heard CAM/SAM/Khaitan pays A0 associate 15 LPA (Pre-tax). Looking at Luhtra's figure it is significantly higher than these firms. So, does luthra pay more than CAM/SAM and Khaitan?
Yes 18 Sept 2020, 07:21
+6 -7
Because no one wants to join luthra anyway.....
So they need to give a little extra green to lure people in...
In fact they give ppos a third year end itself because after that people tend to ignore them
Fletcher Reede 17 Sept 2020, 18:01
+2 -2
Fiction versus Reality. RKL own up to truth. Tell it as it is. See in CAPs below the reality.

The details you are inadvertently been carrying are so totally incorrect that it’s difficult to term them mere inaccuracies. It’s a blatant attempt to portray the exact opposite of what was envisaged & how we were to arrive at the new L&L structure for the future.

WHICH DETAILS ARE INCORRECT. THAT YOU DON’T WISH TO RETAIN RIGHT FOR YOUR KIDS AND NEPHEW TO JUMP IN AND GRAB EQUITY AT ANYTIME IN TOTAL DISREGARD FOR PRINCIPLES OF A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES PARTNERSHIP. OR THAT YOU DONT WISH TO RECEIVE A PENSION (IF 10 CRORES ANNUALLY CAN BE CALLED THAT). OR THAT WORDS HAVE NOT BEEN EXCHANGED WITH YOU CALLING NAMES TO PEOPLE WHO QUESTIONED YOU. OR THAT YOU HAVE NOT MOVED YOUR POSITION MULTIPLE TIMES.

While these matters of equity have been discussed in detail in multiple partner meetings, it will be incorrect on my part to divulge more details without violating confidentiality that governs these discussions.

HO HO HO. NOTHING HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. ALL WE HAVE HEARD IS YOUR [...] RANTS. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SHARE ANYTHING EVEN IF YOU WANTED [...]. YOUR RUNNING AWAY FROM MEETINGS AND HIDING IN YOUR ROOM. SHAME.

Because sometimes,more than 30 colleagues have been privy to these meetings it’s not for me to have to convey both the details & the spirit in which these exercises were undertaken.

THERE WERE TWO SPIRITS. ONE OF PARTNERS WILLING TO DISCUSS AND ONE OF YOURS WISHING TO RANT. AND CALLING HARDWORKING LAWYERS AS MONSTERS. AND TODAY CALLING THEM COLLEAGUES. HOW MANY FACES DO YOU HAVE.

The inexactitude of even subordinate details like age of retirement, co-founder, etc. are so obvious that they do not even merit my refuting them.

DONT HIDE BEHIND MINOR INACCURACIES

However in the spirit of discretion and in the way we’ve done things at the firm, I’m merely going to state for the record that these are total falsehoods masquerading as a portrayal of insider moves.

YOU ARE AWARE THIS IS THE BROAD TRUTH. YOU DONT WISH TO DILUTE. FIRST YOU GAVE INEFFICIENCT PROPOSALS AND WHEN IT APPEARED THAT ONE COULD ACTUALLY BE ACCEPTED YOU WALKED AWAY AND MADE A PROPOSAL YOU KNEW WOULD NEVER WORK WHICH IS OF PROPORTIONAL DILUTION OF A RIDICULOUSLY LOW EQUITY.
Sinkin’ filin’ 18 Sept 2020, 03:32
+33 -2
Capital malkets walon. Sahi time pe nikal liye....
BrB 18 Sept 2020, 05:11
+8 -0
Boutiques are better
No salary appraisals
No bonus
They look great together
Priyanka Chopra & Nick Jonas
Ultimate bhasad 18 Sept 2020, 06:26
+5 -0
Never have I seen such egomaniacal leadership! Strife is better managed and owners are better behaved even in mom-n-pop stores. It's so bad that now I don't even care about who's right and who's wrong - just pray for a day when these 2 decide what's best for the firm and 150+ careers! While both + EC masquerade as the true champions for the rest of the firm's issues, I think everyone knows that it's pure BS. None can look beyond their own nose!

Shame on ALL of you!
Asaram 18 Sept 2020, 06:55
+2 -1
There is only 1 nose in the room, the nose which doesn't allow anyone to be even considered equal. Why bring EC and others in it. If a person doesn't even wish to negotiate and others express frustration, why are they being held at fault. Stop worshiping a false God. Its he who is exploiting your faith. #FreeBapu
Guest 18 Sept 2020, 07:48
+0 -0
Correct. 1 nose which is so long with years of being a Pinocchio that it has become a noose around others.
Oxford 18 Sept 2020, 06:33
+3 -0
Panglossian - an eternal optimist who believes in Gods benevolence
Pollyanna - an eternally cheerfully optimistic person who believes in the goodness of the world
Luthraite - an eternally hopeful person who believes in the benevolence and goodness of his leadership

RKL (synonym) - [...]
Curios George 18 Sept 2020, 07:06
+4 -0
Since we are on the topic of equity out of curiosity how much Luthra's turnover would be? How much equity is distributed between RKL and MS in amounts?
ITD 18 Sept 2020, 11:50
+3 -8
Mohit took home around 22 crore last year.
Guest 19 Sept 2020, 07:22
+1 -0
Sad....that’s even more than average PPE at the Magic Circle
Harappa 18 Sept 2020, 07:21
+15 -0
Luthra was ripe for this. They haven't been able to force their leadership to change over a decade and have been complacent in their individual capacities. A trait of Luthra associate is being satisfied, and with stalwarts in their rank, they never worried about perception. Homegrown historical talent along with Turkey, Amritsar, Beijing, Singapore, Kasauli and decent work generally kept this bunch happy.

Now that a lot of talent has left and ability to attract fresh talent is depleted and consequently nature of work is of lower end qua peers in other firms, the firm and its current bunch of counsels is suddenly awake to mortality. However there again, one person along with some 4-5 fanboys / fangirls is an outlier and lives in the past. THIS FIRM IS OVER. Some who have market creds, should dust off their CVs.
Founder!! 18 Sept 2020, 09:40
+5 -5
RKL's statement is abhorrent and an abominable lie. The partnership Deed is clearly that of 1999 and in it there are just 2 equity partners- RKL and Mohit. How is he saying MS being a co-founder is not true? If there are 2 partners when the partnership firm was set up- by natural corollary there are 2 founders to the Firm. Surely even a Meerut University law grad would know this!!!

@Kian, you seem to have a copy of the partnership deed. You must clarify as this is creating confusion on a large scale. Your article articulates position by RKL, which seems to be a blatant mis-attempt at obfuscating the truth.
Co-Founder 18 Sept 2020, 09:57
+4 -1
Absolutely agree!

Btw, there was another Firm in 1995, which was the previous avatar- which had 3 partners- two of whom were RKL and Mohit Saraf. Even by that logic, Mohit would be a co-founder. So basically in RKL's statement the so called 'lies' that he calls out were on retirement age (which as we now understand was misreported as 85 as opposed to 80! Big Difference!!!!!!!), and co-founder- which is just not true. [...]

RKL used to tom-tom about how L&L is not a family law firm unlike the Shroffs. Clearly this was only because his heirs were so young that they cannot be lawyers yet unlike the Shroffs. The intention was always to bequeath the firm to them. In essence the Luthra folks are working for the enrichment of the Luthra family! What logic much wow. God forbid if something were to happen to RKL, the Firm will have to pay through their nose (a little birdie tells me its 100 of crores) to buy off equity from his heirs! RIDICULOUS. How can this be agreed!
Bete 18 Sept 2020, 10:41
+7 -4
So, the point here is that MS struck a raw (and a horrible one) deal for him (and effectively the entire firm) back in 1999! Plain bad lawyering, me thinks...

Obviously both have been fooling people on the premise of doling out equity but, clearly, both knew all along that this will be anything but simple...

So I think both are equally at fault here...one for consistently lying, the other for simply fooling people on false pretexts when the writing on the wall was always clear!

Bhaago yahaan se...
Hogwashed 18 Sept 2020, 11:01
+5 -1
Guys Guy GUYS>....this is all a well scripted play. To take the focus away from the recent debacle. Dont get caught up in this. Focus on getting them to release your dues and then when COVID goes away and times are a good again, MOVE OUT!!!
Masks come off 18 Sept 2020, 11:31
+21 -18
Anyone who has worked at L&L knows this.

MS is hard working, really works round the clock. He is a serious person, very difficult to do any BS with him. He is Brutally frank, and you will get things as they are, on your face. Which is a big relief, Atleast you know where you stand on an issue / idea. He also has high EQ and has spent considerable time mentoring younger lawyers and guiding them in tough time. You may agree with him or disagree with him - but you have a clear picture and no subterfuge.

There is a very real and human side to MS which is not publicly advertised and hence less known. I remember a young associate had lost his father, And MS was at the crematorium at 7.30am on a chilly winter morn just to help that chap out and helped him go through the last rites. And hardly 3-4 other people from Office had come. Or how he was gently helping and explaining things to SV’s little daughter (not even 10 years old may be) when she was Lighting SV’s pyre. [...]

RKL on the other hand, always was the “fun” guy. He painted an aspirational picture with the lavish lifestyle, good food, luxuries, first class international travel, Cool gadgets, no serious work, and A lot of alcohol (almost daily in office till 2-3 am when many bottles would be drunk in one sitting and many youngsters asked to join) [...]. He avoided the tough issues, [...] (and practically left MS to carry the burden And load). When Madhu had quit and the All partner Meeting called to disc the issue - RKL dialled in for ten mins and then silently dropped off the call. While Mohit was handling the questions, tough decisions, team morale, client issues everything. Many many such examples.

RKL’s misogynistic comments and loose talk have caused a lot of damage and pissed off clients, potential clients, foreign law firm partners, and lawyers working at Luthra too. It’s very convenient for RKL to suddenly pretend to be the whole and sole creator and karta dharta of the firm. His has been more of a “management in absentia” act.
Ohho 18 Sept 2020, 14:43
+23 -0
You say - MS works 24x7, has EQ while RKL has flaws
Did he not get paid lavishly for it?

If MS is unhappy at L&L
he should do what the rest of the world did (or is about to), ie leave

MS (and his boys) should start a new firm & see if they pull in comparable $$
Guest 18 Sept 2020, 15:56
+6 -3
What did the other one get paid for is the question and not whether Mohit received his compensation. The Big Man was not underwriting Mohit’s earnings. As a partner Mohit made only what was due to him and worked his ass off for the same. While the other one also earned what was due as per contract but [...]

Demanding fairness should not result in Mohit having to start afresh. The firm belong as much to him as to that other man. And to Mohit’s credit he has shouldered responsibility of the firm while the other one only throws his Historical contract in others faces. [...]
baby 18 Sept 2020, 16:54
+7 -2
exactly, why doesn't Mohit leave? Still wanting for Rajiv to handover Luthra domain name to him.
SillyGuest 18 Sept 2020, 19:50
+5 -4
Astonishingly poor argument

“Demanding fairness should not result in Mohit having to start afresh. The firm belong as much to him as to that other man.”

33% belonged to him not “as much to him”
This is why deeds are in writing

Because one works hard doesn’t magically write them into greater equity

Call this BS what it is

Minority partner & noisy associates bullying majority partner to handover his share

Shameful
fly on the wall 19 Sept 2020, 03:33
+24 -5
It is cringe worthy to sit around RKL as he makes sexist comments, at times even about firms own partners and associates. You cannot equate misogyny to charisma. It is sickening for all of us, it is just that we do not have an immediate option of not laughing and pretending that it is some sort of wit or amusement. It also does not behove having liquor parties in office every time he visits. This is not a work environment that associates sign up for. And as we know RKL is reading this article, Sir, please STOP. Enough is Enough.
Thank you 19 Sept 2020, 05:57
+17 -4
Thank you for saying this out and clear. Most high performing star women partners / managing associates, who has any kind of self respect, have left the firm.

For the person on the comments thread who says “we have no option but to laugh” at his poor jokes, I am sorry you have no spine and no self respect. That’s the reason RKLs favorite word is “naukar” and he unabashedly refers to everyone at the firm as naukar, bhuke nange, kaddu, etc etc
Nananannanana 25 Sept 2020, 03:44
+0 -0
This was raised in the townhall.
Been there 25 Sept 2020, 10:02
+0 -0
Rkl and several other partners, one of whom [...] has recently moved on from luthra, even feel entitled to comment on people's (particularly juniors who typically don't voice their objections) clothing choices, in front of several others, even though it is work appropriate (fyi- when asked, they themselves agreed it's work appropriate but apparently needed more flair). Although these opinions are subjective, the same should have been handled tactfully (if at all the firm thought it was required), through a one to one discussion, instead of being called in and discussed in front of 10 people.
Guest 18 Sept 2020, 11:40
+17 -0
In 1958, the economist Leonard Read wrote an essay entitled “I, Pencil,” which traced the production line of a single pencil. The point of the essay was to highlight that no one person, no matter how intelligent or skilled, was capable of creating an object as simple as a pencil.

Clearly he had not encountered The Big Man. He alone started, managed, grew and sustained the Firm. Leonard was a loser.
En-masse? 18 Sept 2020, 17:40
+3 -0
Is this indication of a mass exodus? Or is it just one of those recurring flash in the pan stories to cull away the boredom?
Any insider news?
SLC VB 18 Sept 2020, 19:17
+21 -1
This has very clearly brought to light which many associates at the firm always suspected. There are clearly two power centres operating in LL.

Tell tale signs

1. The name change was a part of a larger plan. Associates were explained the rationale for the name change after the name was changed. However, there was no coherent reason for the change. RKL and MS seemed to have their own version of what the reason was. The associates left with zero clarity about WTH had just happened.

2. The evaluation at the firm is very ad hoc, one person had all the say, all decisions were made by him. He would neither listen to the partner who worked closely with his team, nor read the evaluation forms in any detail. A person close to him would carry tales to him about other partners and their teams, and that would be the basis of the decision making. In fact, these comments here have mentioned Meerut University and CCS University, the fact is that this one person who is not even a lawyer registered with the bar council would take positions on law and treat some of the finest analytical minds with absolute disdain - not because they were wrong, but because the propositions they mentioned were completely unheard by him. It was not his fault, he was being asked evaluate people who were better trained in the law and its nuances.

3. The story of sexism in the firm is another level. At BD meetings, sexist jokes were par for course. Here no one is any better than the other. In fact the newer younger members of the EC are no less. With newer additions one thought, things would change - it didn't. All that they were interested in is ensuring they get entrenched and get better rights than any other- after all they would now be sitting at the podium during partners meetings!

4. In a recent sting of comments here a partner was called out for high levels of attrition, no one seems to focus on the high levels of attrition in certain other teams. Teams which have a horrible work culture. No meaningful work starts before 2 pm in the pre lockdown days. This team was more insterested in sitting late, participating in the booze filled parties at the cafeteria, or the BD meetings in the senior partners homes etc. The associates were made to sit late, called in on weekends, while the partner would again come late in the evening while on the way to their many "social commitments". Yet, the team was rewarded - why because there is no meritocracy in this firm. It's is Club, which thrives on bad mouthing anyone who is not or doesn't become like them.

5. I think it's high time, this kind of behaviour in law firms - nepotism, cliques, sexism and absence of meritocracy is brought out in the open, and no one person or partner is sacrificed because they made genuine mistakes. This is nothing but a scheme to shy away from key issues. In fact this is not just a LL issue, this affects a lot of firms. The issue nepotism and conflict of interest highlighted in these comments is another level. Daddy sits and rewards his Family, ...how can an educated and aware profession like lawyers take this nonsense any longer??? In fact, not standing up now would prove it true - the litigators don't consider corporate lawyers as lawyers because we are all so lacking in any courage.
Curiousity kills 19 Sept 2020, 05:32
+5 -1
How much equity is distributed by promoters in bigger firms in India such AZB, CAM, Khaitan, SAM, Trilegal and thereafter in smaller firms like JSA, SNR, NDA, Indus, Samvad etc. Also, how is the average percentage owned by a new equity partner in these firms. Further, are the equity partner required to buy equity or are granted equity like ESOPs.
TaiwanKaCham 20 Sept 2020, 08:23
+2 -3
100% equity at NDA
100 ka 100 21 Sept 2020, 14:49
+6 -0
100% equity with ND and rest are A!!
BeeBuzz 19 Sept 2020, 12:42
+5 -1
By the way everyone, good man Big Man is so committed to the firm that, as per my partner, he has announced its dissolution to all partners blowing away our living day lights. In the middle of Corono’s peak in July. Me and my partner and our team have thankfully been in the middle of decent movement talks and so would land safely given our practice [...].

And Big Man has apparently since last couple of days been running an agenda along with fossils within against various people who dared to rise against him. Words like Monsters, killers, integrity-less etc has been used by him and his against some of the best lawyers in India and definitely in the firm with threats around a purge politely put as reorganization. As I heard, shiver went through my spine. Apparently the Night of Long Knives is coming. I feel safe and my partner feels safe but thinks the dissenters are relying too much on Big Man’s good faith and within next 2 weeks would be out of a job.
Genealogy 19 Sept 2020, 13:30
+8 -1
Since dissolution is out in the open and Big Man loves genealogy, please see below.
Harappa moves
Equity is promised by Dec 15
Big man seeks to dissolve the firm in Dec instead of giving equity
EC begs Big Man to reconsider since 300 families are at stake
Big Man agrees with 5% topline and 10% incentive for work generated by him
Big Man withdraws agreement
Big Man offers 16% equity 12.5 his and 3.5 from the other
When asked to reconsider Big Man offers a complete new proposal. He would have 10% topline, 10% incentive and 20% non-diluting equity. All this without giving any knowledge of numbers but back of envelope would work out to him retaining 55% equity and only 20% in loss. Remember Big Man is fair.
Without further discussions, seems Big Man withdraws this proposal and comes up with 10% topline, 10% incentive and 1% equity. Or alternately his reduction to 40, Mohit’s to 27 and rest for others. To be noted all proposals have him diluting disproportionately.
Without any substantial discussions, Big Man withdraws this proposal also and suddenly says 20% equity with both him and Mohit proportionately giving up.
In all of these he retains retirement at 75, vetoes on material actions including public communication! And pension which varies from 6 to 10 crore or 5% topline etc. and inheritability by people.

Now please judge where is anyone else wrong in trying to address their concerns to him. But his response is to say people have acted in bad faith and as BeeBuzz mentioned, he is seeking to create grounds to fire people on basis of “not in interest of the firm”. And “Sourav” and “Daanveer” and his estranged archer brother are supporting him.

Fascism is this and there is no remedy in writ also.

BeeHive - you would survive and flourish elsewhere. Don’t worry. We have discussed this before, you should have left much earlier.

Oh as a footnote, he keeps on pronouncing that he will leave and partners should pay him his monies as per the deed. So new partners to have a future first have to bankroll him and potentially stare at a bankruptcy. The monies we are talking about are in range of 100 crores as they arise on the strength of the firm’s best years in a decade and have to be paid in the worst year of the firm in multiple decades. Even if people are willing to pay, he moves the goal post and doesn’t discuss payment plans.

Also as a footnote, dissolution continues to hang on people's head.
Devi 19 Sept 2020, 16:33
+1 -0
"daanveer" Lol - got it.
Estranged brother - got it.

Sourav? further hint please.
Easy hai 24 Sept 2020, 15:50
+1 -0
Saurav is [...]
Danveer is [...]
Estranged brother is [...]

Full soap opera..
tired of these guys.
I’m going in-house and never giving these bunch of lawyers any piece of my work, no matter where they end up.. what a bunch of jokers..
Guest 19 Sept 2020, 15:00
+0 -1
Garry Kasparov
@Kasparov63
When one group fights for power at all costs vs a group fighting for the rule of law, the second group had damned well better mobilize while it still can, because it only gets harder. Trust me on this one.

MS - you are the second group. Trust Garry.
Top 6 19 Sept 2020, 18:34
+9 -2
Rajiv hanging onto equity is no different than the Shroff family who hold between 55- 65% across their spouses, children and son in law. AZB Zia has the lions share and Ajay Bahl is minority with Behram being the token 10%. Haigreve is the only decent person who in a bad year will take a hit but ensure his partners don’t suffer. True leadership there. Trilegal founders for all their tall claims of non founder family behaviour are at the top of equity until they retire with no client and billing obligations. Explains weekly news columns. JSA better off with the 27 partner equity spread and a reset every three years based on past performance. Ensures no deadwood and free riders.
Guest 20 Sept 2020, 02:31
+11 -2
Few differences between Rajiv and others holding equity:
Shroffs bring their entire time and family into their firms. The firm is them and they are the firm. With Rajiv the firm is just one of his money making ventures. Remember he does not involve himself with the firm affairs except to come and say sweet nonsense. In SAMs case the father, daughter, wife and son in law are all stars in their own right. In CAM, father brings tremendous value and while wife, son and daughter may not be same levels as their Delhi counterparts, they still live and die the firm.

The size of the firms is different. The others have made their firms into large powerhouses while L&L due to Rajiv’s and Mohit’s and the 3 litigation guys’ lack of vision has remained small. A 20% of 150 crore profit versus a 20% of 65 crore collective profit across the two firms is quite a different ball game.

This difference and what others bring and have brought to the table vis-à-vis L&L’s similarly placed counterparts is what the 5 Wise Men need to understand when comparing. Seems Mohit has while the others are arguing.
Indus river 20 Sept 2020, 06:41
+0 -0
What is the equity structure at Indus? Any ideas? They distributed equity...pay in?
SanjivSutra 19 Sept 2020, 19:00
+3 -1
Do not worry
Do not feel sorry
Why so many chores
If MS made 22 crores
No 20 Sept 2020, 12:45
+2 -0
I hope they soon realise that this fight helps nobody! It will neither help Mr. Luthra nor Mr. Saraf. Better to sit on the table and resolve it soon. The only party which gets benefited with such disputes is - competitor firms.
Future 20 Sept 2020, 12:52
+2 -0
Thankful that our implosion is done and we survived. District Centre is a different story and we won’t dwell on it though it could have been different if only things were as it is supposed to be in real places.

The issues raised by the retainers at Luthra are quite interesting and far reaching if they succeed. It opens a complete new paradigm for all other firms. Sovereignty of family as owners may need to dilute to more democratic principles. No more penalisation of counsels in bad times while you roll away in green in the good.

Give meaningful and co-equal decision making powers; even if economic claim is high as you have contributed historically and “would” dilute over time, cap your voting rights. Banks are required to do so and as the biggest advisor to banks you could learn from them. Not that historical contribution should matter.

If value linked sharing of profits is brought in, next generation in my firm may be very worried. Uncle’s firm, not as much but they should also.

Godspeed Luthra “junior” partners - may you succeed and may we all gain from that success. Go for democracy and value. Go for broke.
Guys 20 Sept 2020, 12:59
+6 -2
Honestly, too much of mudslinging. Please stop it, guys. You all are prudent and matured enough. Handle it amicably. Wish your firm well!
Guest 20 Sept 2020, 13:55
+2 -0
See a previous comment. One man refuses to discuss and keeps moving goal post. There is no intent on Big Man’s part. For him his way or highway is the way. Very very sad. Unfortunate that I am stuck. Wish these were non-Covid times.
Guest 20 Sept 2020, 15:14
+0 -0
Heard the cost for equity to junior partners is 100 crores to be paid to Big Man or perpetual subordination to him. Will someone, anyone, help us and persuade him that it is an unreasonable ask from his part.

100 crores in 2020 or to pay him 10 crores after 10 years for 10 years while he enjoys fruits of being equity for another 10 years is both unreasonable. And carry the risk that [...], we may be at a risk of 135 crores based on current numbers doing the round. Please please help us.

And in any case solve this mess. A few peaceful months is all we want.
insider luthra 20 Sept 2020, 18:18
+4 -0
what is wrong with this office, please do the needful senior partners:
1. Pay on time;
2. Dont cut our fees as our kids are demanding too apart from merc, beemers and volvo;
3. Please take back the people who had left in anguish;
4. Please allocate work amongst the teams properly;
5. Lastly, please change the so called [...]
Guest 20 Sept 2020, 19:07
+7 -3
Rajiv v Junior Partner match is turning out to be a humdinger.

Rajiv batted first and made a mess of his opportunity when he kept getting beaten by half trackers and gentle looseners. But he responded well mid-match by throwing some harsh body line which given match was in his home grounds no one noticed. JPs now have Mohit still on the crease but their other star batsmen seem to have been disoriented and badly beaten and appear shaken by Rajiv and his team who have indulged in some serious sledging, abuse and unsportsmanlike behavior. Quite shameful but well it’s Crockett even though their behavior is not cricket. Mohit has managed to paste deliveries out of the park. And appears to be in good form. Rajiv has been unable to find any significant counters except some more sledge but Mohit has given it back as well as it has come. Taken quick singles also on his way to a remarkably strong position.

Match however is poised on a knife’s edge. Support of fans seems to be with Mohit and JPs to pull through and win the match and the series but definitely the series.

There has been request that a time out be taken but the teams have rejected it. Crowd within the stadium is silent but beyond the stadium there is steady swell of support for the JPs.

Maybe just maybe Mohit is the Sachin of the 1998 Coca Cola Cup. What memories. What a finish. What a player. But of course this could also be the the Sydney 2008 match with team Rajiv clearly representing the victors with their rabid, boorish, unsportsmanlike, crybaby attitude against the more talented and more deserving opponents and when all else appears to be failing ironically throwing respect, integrity, honesty at the other. Well such is life. But then life is Sach. Go man go.
Guest 21 Sept 2020, 03:46
+1 -0
Ye India Australia nahi India A and India B ke matches lag rahe hai which are being played with such enthusiasm that injuries galore are happening and players seem unprepared and are being rendered unfit to fight the real opponents from Peninsula and Okhla in the upcoming winter season. Bhai log, ek hi ho finally. Rankings, credibility and reputation me internal matches nahi external matches count hote hai.
I know who you are 21 Sept 2020, 06:24
+0 -1
Thank you for that cricket analogy [...]!
Bowler 20 Sept 2020, 20:49
+5 -0
Note to LI, this is a long and detailed comment. The nature of this issue is such that names will have to be used. In the comments on this article, you have allowed names to be used. I hope you will display journalistic objectivity, stay de-hyphenated and carry this comment.

This dispute regarding equity dilution is being made out to be a dispute between the Rajiv and the rest of the partnership and that is an incorrect categorization. However, if you want to represent it to be so, then fairness demands you also carry the alternate categorization- this is about a power grab - in which Mohit and an unelected EC pretends to represent the wider partnership. They do not, they only represent themselves. If they did, they would consult with the wider partnership, the record will demonstrate that they have not done the same, instead they have made self-serving suggestions.

1. At present there is an offer of proportionate dilution on the table, why wouldn't Mohit accept it and start the process?
2. Why can't the partnership operate more democratically, with NO VETO for either Rajiv or Mohit ?
3. In due course, as the partnership matures and votes for dilution from the largest equity holders - which despite dilution will be Mohit and Rajiv - they should be required to dilute- and NOT BE ABLE TO VETO IT - why is such an arrangement not acceptable Rajiv or Mohit?
4. There has to be accountability - but that has to apply to ALL partners - Rajiv and Mohit included. Operational power has been concentrated in Mohit and his close people for far too long. Policies are framed, only to be altered at the time of implementation because proper implementation would affect certain partners and their selfish interests. This can happen only because the present feudal and undemocratic system is being implemented and operationalized by Mohit. If he is such a champion of democracy and non-feudal behavior, he needs to agree to dilute along with Rajiv, get rid of the unbalanced and unchecked power that he has in the present system. Will he agree? Will they agree? Let's wait and watch the match, as an earlier circket speak commetator had commented.
Off the Rocker 21 Sept 2020, 05:47
+4 -1
Any 'organizational power' Mohit has is a farce created solely by the vaccum of Rajiv's disinterest in running the firm. When the managing partner is in absentia all the time except to crack sexist and classist jokes, the one with minority equity share has no option but to fight for his share in the profit. Also, I don't see any situation being proposed where only Rajiv gets diluted, so let's get facts straight shall we.
Appeal 4 HELP, Pls 21 Sept 2020, 00:47
+7 -3
I am a fresh graduate from a well ranked, top 5 NLU, with an offer at the firm. The joining date of our group has been deferred a second time till January. But, my sources tell me some select graduate from [...] are being accomodated while we (from good colleges, but no godfathers and connections) are being made to delay our joining dates. An entire batch of new joinees is sufferring, just because we are not well connected within the firm or the law industry.
Will the seniors here please advise what we can do or should do? We have no one to help or guide us.
[img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/QBAzA0CaPCKwGg3pDs/200.gif[/img]
Dumbledore 21 Sept 2020, 05:52
+4 -2
Not really much that you can do TBH. Except hope that Kian interviews you and highlights your plight. These days it seems like firm's are moved to act reasonably only after being criticized in LI comments. But this comment may get lost in the bigger hubris of teh problems at L&L.
Nepo 22 Sept 2020, 06:40
+1 -2
Calling out the nepo is a good start. The real question is how comfortable is the firm with it.
Unclejis advice 21 Sept 2020, 06:49
+13 -3
If your mamu is not a senior partner, then you should not have done law. This is a feudal firm, so the niece can join in the middle of Covid, while exisiting associates and partners were told by MS to go on a sabbatical! Where else can this happen, feudal Lords??? LI: there was a partner depature in corp bangalore, care to cover that?
NotEveryOneIsPappu 21 Sept 2020, 07:22
+2 -2
Several teams have requested for new hires to join them and their requests have been accommodated by management and HR basis their ability to absorb bandwidth over a period of time and not just a couple of weeks. So its not just one person. And this is practice across firms who have delayed intakes. Basis needs from time to time, incoming resources are being asked to come in.

So find your smoking gun elsewhere. You can call L&L HR and get correct information.

The Partner at Bangalore quit in March and not right now. There were compatibility issues between his understanding of [...] versus the Firm's understanding of the same.
Bollywood? 21 Sept 2020, 14:22
+2 -1
Is nepotism the issue, or college bias, or both? Very Kangana like to mix up the two...
In the end 21 Sept 2020, 04:31
+9 -2
As someone who had committed such a considerable period of time to the cause of this organization, the recent play of events are so disappointing and heart-breaking. All set and done, credit is due to both these men for being first generation lawyers, with literally no lineage or support (no family background or connection with a supreme court judge or an Attorney General) to have created a 200 lawyer (on the corporate side) fairly respectable and a prominent law firm ( all cruel jokes aside). Clearly both have contributed to this growth story. People who are competent and have spent time here, even after exiting, remember all the good times they had here and do swear by the advantages this place had. This firm truly held up to the motto of work hard, party harder!!!

This was and still is a real godsend opportunity for RKL, holding the lion's share of the equity, who of course over the last 10 years had handed over the reign of day to day control to MS, to dilute disproportionally in favour of committed and motivated bunch of determined younger lawyers, created an institution and left behind a legacy for all times to remember whenever he packs his boots.

Ironically, this restructuring would have created enough checks and balances, to check any capricious and arbitrary exercise of power by MS and hedged RKL's risks, as these individuals, and their leadership would have matured over the years. Although, it would be fair statement to make that nothing is dearer to MS than the Firm almost at the cost of personal relationships and most decisions (if not all) of MS have been guided by that. Reality is that those who RKL jumped to call out as MS's camp also are equally fond of RKL, but it is the principle of point where they have taken a position that is polarizing RKL's point of view. There was absolutely no need for RKL to get aggressive with them.

Truly hope that good sense prevails, one long heated discussion in a closed environment for 2 days with social distancing of course, is all that is required to avoid what we always regarded as the unthinkable. I implore to the decision makers. As they say, it is much easier to break things thank keep them intact.
Guest 21 Sept 2020, 16:23
+0 -1
Luthra litigation SPs have agreed to give equity to the junior partners?
HSBC 22 Sept 2020, 08:41
+1 -0
No, no one has agreed to give anything to anyone. No one shall give anything to anyway. Hum bas lete hain.
Legolas 21 Sept 2020, 05:56
+3 -0
Keeping aside all the drama around the partners' quarrels, I am more interested in knowing what the current associates at L&L feel? Has there been any communication to them or is their source of information Legally India and whatever their gossiping seniors wish to selectively reveal. Is their an imminent threat of dissolution, risking the livelihoods of 200+ associates?

Has anybody been asking these questions? Or is it the usual attitude of associates not really mattering in the larger scheme.

Really bothered about people my age out there in L&L.
L&L Associate 21 Sept 2020, 06:23
+13 -1
Honestly, no man is going to dissolve his biggest source of income over an ego tussle. As an Associate even I know that (or perhaps I'm just hoping for it). Just hope Rajiv realises he can't hold 200+ families hostage over his ego. People will quit if this goes on longer.

Would also be nice if we associates got some sort of official briefing, but transparency isn't the name of the game here at L&L. Not with bonus, increment, promotions, nothing. There wasn't even a briefing when an entire practice area left the firm just over a year back.
Curious Cat 21 Sept 2020, 10:55
+7 -1
While it would be great if the powers that be treated the people working as adults and were open and transparent about what is going on within the firm, it would seem that the powers that be arent being adults about this, let alone treat others as adults.
Legolas 24 Sept 2020, 13:07
+3 -1
Do you still think there's no risk of dissolution? And how did that official briefing go today?

@Kian - I'm surprised you've not done an update on this already!
L&L Associate 24 Sept 2020, 14:06
+18 -0
Having just got off the 'official' briefing I must say I regret having wanted an official briefing on this. And now I fully believe that Rajiv is capable of dissolving the firm over this ego battle, just to spite Mohit.
Toottyfrooty 24 Sept 2020, 19:20
+7 -12
Last time I checked, it was Luthra and Luthra. Don't see sarafs name on the door so spite or no spite, Saraf needs to be shown the door....and soon. He is the reason why the firm lost so many good people and his arrogance is the reason why clients don't want to work with him.
LuL 24 Sept 2020, 21:20
+0 -1
Not bothered with either MS or RKL, but in all fairness RKL's name was taken off the door when they rebranded.

Today was, at best, RKL's attempt to remind everyone, and not just MS, what the Ls stand for.
Name or alias 25 Sept 2020, 03:22
+10 -5
MS might come across as arrogant but in the town hall he came across as someone with strong convictions. Having seen him closely over the past few years, I can vouch for his work ethic and the time and energy he puts in for the firm. The way he was hounded by the others yesterday was very shameful. Washing dirty linen in public got a new meaning! Dont know how they will be able to make up after what happened. A split seems imminent. My dreams of promotion are in tatters..should have considered those offers...
Arre 25 Sept 2020, 04:07
+0 -0
Clearly its been a long time since you last checked. It's no longer Luthra & Luthra but L&L. No comment on the rest of your comment. But you do sound like that news anchor who said to the PM in an interview "So much hua hai...kitna kiya....aur kya bacha hai".
Kumar raj 22 Sept 2020, 18:45
+4 -3
Current associates are very happy and have lot of work. This firm is the best firm
L&L Associate 22 Sept 2020, 19:18
+2 -0
HAHAHAHA. Good one.
WTF 21 Sept 2020, 15:36
+2 -1
Yaar, this fight is worse that Suits ke partnership fights.
Why so serious? 24 Sept 2020, 13:23
+7 -4
One Ex. Comm. partners was silent today for a change. What a relief!
Ex Comm partner 24 Sept 2020, 15:21
+1 -2
I think that is the whole issue. MS and RKL have been best friends over decade. They would still reminiscent the days when the bunch tour around chetak scooter and do litigations and corporate deals, before their coffers were filled. If MS and RKL just listens to themselves, the whole matter could be sorted out. You guys don't need anyone, for the sake of 300 families dependent on you, please sort it out.
Jolly Good 24 Sept 2020, 16:09
+4 -0
We missed the 2 bits from Team Jolly Good today. Damn.
Looking out 24 Sept 2020, 19:11
+3 -1
Most of them have their cvs floating in the market. By the time Rajeev and saraf resolve their disputes, there will be no lawyers left at the firm to do the actual work.
LOL Partners 24 Sept 2020, 14:19
+8 -0
Apparently fireworks between RKL and MS at today's firm-wide townhall. @Kian, why no report? We want the full deets.
Guest 24 Sept 2020, 14:29
+2 -0
Apparently there was a virtual Bharat milaap event at L&L.
Insider 24 Sept 2020, 14:34
+2 -0
Full firm meeting held on a VC.

Major shouting match between Mohit Saraf and Luthra.

Allegations included that Rajeev Luthra took [...] and also [...]
Who! 24 Sept 2020, 15:17
+0 -0
You texted?
Mukesh Ambani 24 Sept 2020, 14:53
+16 -1
The one townhall L&L had.....
Who! 24 Sept 2020, 15:15
+4 -0
You would not believe what happened today!
WTF 24 Sept 2020, 16:10
+8 -0
L&L Townhall notifications should come with a trigger warning.
Toott 24 Sept 2020, 17:05
+1 -0
[img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0NwKRRtGFjT9k6Q0/200.gif[/img]
Mukesh... 24 Sept 2020, 15:38
+1 -1
Beta, table cover karo...
... 24 Sept 2020, 15:48
+5 -3
I know this thread will get everyone's attention now. So just want to say out loud. IndusLaw please let us know what is the scene with freshers joining? Please some clarity would be appreciated.
..... 25 Sept 2020, 11:57
+2 -0
Please IndusLaw. Let us know the plans on joining
Joker 24 Sept 2020, 17:35
+1 -1
Why the delay in reporting? Comments have been awaiting moderation for about three hours now.
Delta Force 24 Sept 2020, 17:36
+2 -0
What an ambush by RKL, Bobby and gang. Despicable but classy, just like in the movies.
randomisers 25 Sept 2020, 06:01
+0 -1
hey can you break down what went down and how it happened?
Capmarxx 25 Sept 2020, 10:35
+5 -0
Royal Rumble at L&L

In the red corner, RKL. MS in the blue.

Punches were thrown, mostly below the belt.

Referee Bobby who seemed biased was personally invested in the matter.

Some threats, idle, some serious. Rich history between the heavy weights on full display - including Mukesh Ambani, Citibank and Manan Lahoty. Will leave it for everyone to judge who suffers from impostor syndrome and who from a grandiose image of self.

Miss Secretary intervening to make the big boys apologise for swearing on their daughters rang the final bell finishing the match.

What remains to be seen is whether the death knell for L&L has also been rung alongwith it!
Mukesh Ambani 25 Sept 2020, 13:14
+20 -0
I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative, one that I never asked to be a part of
WWE Live 24 Sept 2020, 19:38
+23 -0
Kian, please stop moderating comments on the L&L Townhall till you come out with an article yourself. This news is too hot to keep it under the wraps.
Incoming associate ‘20 24 Sept 2020, 19:38
+5 -4
What does this mean for the people who are meant to join the firm in jan?
Outgoing Partner 24 Sept 2020, 21:14
+5 -0
Beta, doosra naukri dhoondle. Hum bhi dhoond hi rahe hai. I hear JSA is looking. Join my team there.
IndusAssociate 24 Sept 2020, 23:23
+1 -0
What firm?
Guest 25 Sept 2020, 02:16
+4 -0
That you may not have a firm to join in January
AskBigMan 25 Sept 2020, 03:06
+3 -1
And when you are asking him, ask about people within also. What happens? What if a 100 counsels leave? Is it the same firm he had promised at the time of recruitment? We are unable to cause if he can shout at and conspire against a senior partner, we are no one. Please ask. He is contactable at “name” at “surname” dot com. Please.
Guest 25 Sept 2020, 01:22
+4 -1
Big Man has sacrificed atleast 250 careers in the altar of his ego and even stupidity. Not 300 cause obviously some people are in his camp or are close to the CSS outfit’s managers and would survive.

There was no reason to have the Town Hall till he had a clear direction and strategy for people to accept or understand. He has been saying a month, yesterday it went to 2 months, in the Partners Group. He should have brought all his grievances with [Ms] and his conduct after he had laid down what the firm would have been in future, who would have been administrating, what has been decided about [MS], etc. Yesterday it was just a shit show and associates are panicked because all they heard is I will do something rather than I have done something and here is the reason I have done this. What a stupid idea. And that precisely is why he is unfit as a leader. He doesn’t think and he feels proud about this spontaneity of his.
FuturePerfect 25 Sept 2020, 01:56
+4 -3
So one person admitted yesterday his conduct is possible to be perceived as mischievous or bringing disrepute even. But he would rather bring the enterprise down and not monitor his conduct, leave alone apologise for it. He also showed how tactically and strategically useless he is. To have called a Townhall to only discredit [MS] oblivious to how it would be perceived or how [MS] would react was something even babies wouldn’t do.

Thankfully my Partner tells me [MS] has full contingency tied up. Fellow kids brace up for a ride, could be bumpy But in the end there would be a high. And remember these scary rides are not a long ride ever. They are a 2 min thrill. This won’t be too long also basis what snapshot I heard about contingency.
Cuban Cigar 25 Sept 2020, 02:20
+6 -0
Seems like shit hit the roof at the townhall. @kian: we want deets
Cuban Cigar 25 Sept 2020, 03:31
+5 -7
What happened at the town hall yesterday was simply despicable, and a sad reflection of the current state of affairs at L&L. The honest man got ambushed by the big man and his minions. Don’t know what this means for associates like me who just joined a year back thinking of making a partner here. I guess most of us would hang around until we come across a half decent opportunity. What’s the point of being a partner in a firm which doesn’t respect a senior partner who gave his blood and tears to make L&L what it is today.

What happened yesterday
Vachan not Bachchan 25 Sept 2020, 03:50
+7 -1
Sapnon ki Hatya ki hai
Chaar Imandaari ke Thekedaaron ne
Ye Chaar phir aayenge
Hamare shavon ko kaandha nahi
Dhakka de
Selfie ko FB pe lagayenge

Besharmon Doob maron
Ek chullu bhar paani me

Mohit tum nayi rachna karo
Hum Tumhare saath hain
Sawaalu 25 Sept 2020, 04:30
+1 -6
Tum jao gand ke saath
Kuch nahin aayega tumharey haath

Rachna karo nayi zaroor
Par dekhna pitogey zaroor

Thaal khaaney ke liye hota hai
Chullu bhar paani doobney ke liya hota hai

Jao tum gand ke saath
Kuch naa ayega tumharey haath.
Guest 25 Sept 2020, 06:28
+0 -0
Thaal me saath khane ka wada kar
Kha gaye saath khaane walon ko
In 4 besharam irshyawale imaandaron se
Ram bachaye hum honewalen berozgaron ko

Maali ke sarahne se
Gand me hi jaise khilta kamal hai
Hamari nayi duniya banegi
Mohit ke kushal haaton se

Mohit tum nayi rachna karo
Hum Tumhare saath hain
Guest 25 Sept 2020, 06:44
+0 -0
Peet peetai ki chetawani
Dene aa gaye chaar
Sab rahe Hoshiyaar !!!

Waise o saiyaar
Bulaye to kal the tum sabha
To kahe bhage dum dabake
Dikha ke safed dhwaja

Ye bhi yaad rakhna chaaron ke saathi
Ki ye chaar hai vyabhichaari
Inki hai ek hi mansha
Baap se bada rupaiya
Guest 25 Sept 2020, 04:05
+5 -1
Yesterday’s Townhall mess was the result of the jealousy of 4 men. Insecure in their positions and about others’ hard work and glory. World is witness to the havoc caused by the mendaciousness of men pretending to fight some bigger truth.

While L&L and its counsels’ troubles are not equivalent to the world and its miseries but these 4 are effectively villains in the world of L&L.
Townie 25 Sept 2020, 04:31
+2 -1
No, it was a result of the unscrupulous attempts made to try to break the firm....attempts made by one guy who thinks that he is the big cheese when all he is is a big tease.....
Incoming associate ‘20 25 Sept 2020, 04:40
+3 -0
So if it gets dissolved and there is a split then what will happen to it’s batch of 2020 hires? Will we just join the remaining firm of L&L partners without Mohit Saraf?
Arre 25 Sept 2020, 05:29
+2 -0
Interesting. Hope you've read about how L&L is basically 2 firms. Depends on which firm you have a contract with. If it's with the one with only MS and RKL as partners and if MS leaves, that means that there's only one partner and no residual partnership left. Basically your contract is then with an entity no longer in existence and you're free to do as you please. But it may be hard for you to figure out which exact partnership your contract is with, unless L&L offers this information somehow. Anyway, you can brush up on partnership law just to be ready. You may also be able correct anything non est which I may have inadvertently assumed to be correct.
Incoming associate ‘20 25 Sept 2020, 04:42
+6 -2
Also you guys have experience under your belt so it’s easy for you to say doosra job dhund lo and all.

Who will hire us in this market?!
Faiz Luthra 25 Sept 2020, 04:45
+2 -0
Lazim hai ke hum bhi dekhenge
Wo din ke jis ka wada hai
Jo lauh-e-azl mein likha hai
Hum Dekhenge!!
Ok 25 Sept 2020, 04:54
+7 -0
Just wondering--- if at all there is a split or if at all MS starts afresh, how many will go MS' side and how many will remain with Mr. Luthra?
speculator 25 Sept 2020, 06:28
+5 -1
Like RKL said.."Lawyer, Lawyer, arrey Lawyer, deed padh le...read the deed" .....in your case read your retainer agreement, bro.
Both camps 25 Sept 2020, 06:32
+1 -0
People from both camps have their CVS floating out.
Cuban Cigar 25 Sept 2020, 10:48
+3 -4
Well if you want to live in denial go with the big man and if you want to keep working hard and make honest money go the little master
Nameer 25 Sept 2020, 11:27
+5 -1
Sure. Money now but what about tomorrow. Remember, the man won't think twice before firing you.
Yes 25 Sept 2020, 12:38
+6 -0
Totally agree with Nameer.
Traumatised A2 25 Sept 2020, 07:01
+5 -0
Mr Luthra has recorded the zoom call with zoom's inbuilt recording feature, as did many other counsels on their phones. #inhousepaps
Capmarxx 25 Sept 2020, 10:37
+9 -0
Royal Rumble at L&L

In the red corner, RKL. MS in the blue.

Punches were thrown, mostly below the belt.

Referee Bobby who seemed biased was personally invested in the matter.

Some threats, idle, some serious. Rich history between the heavy weights on full display - including Mukesh Ambani, Citibank and Manan Lahoty. Will leave it for everyone to judge who suffers from impostor syndrome and who from a grandiose image of self.

Miss Secretary intervening to make the big boys apologise for swearing on their daughters rang the final bell finishing the match.

What remains to be seen is whether the death knell for L&L has also been rung alongwith it!
ConferenceRoomIn5Mins 25 Sept 2020, 11:45
+79 -0
Timeline of events:

On reading RKL's email on firmwide townhall:
[img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/XjEvy8X8XB6Yo/200.gif[/img]

5 mins in, after initial COVID references and banalities:
[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/AGD9a7IfDHXqg/200.gif[/img]

15 mins in, when RKL and Bobby conclusively established Mohit is NOT a co-founder (because that's what everyone wanted to know):
[img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/i7AUeI3GmYWFG/200.gif[/img]

30 mins in, when MS flung back the slime:
[img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/13jghlUIB6FHZm/200.gif[/img]

45 mins in, after [RKL + Bobby] and Mohit had already called each other liars, players of "cheating games", flung accusations of inferior quality work and alleged blacklisting by a major international group:
[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/WeeUj8oHwyRDG/200.gif[/img]

Some painful minutes later, when 2 sane junior partners requested them to take RKL v. Mohit offline AND to answer associates' concerns about whether the firm is surviving:
All juniors and associates:
[img]https://media3.giphy.com/media/yOoar25HmI8oM/200.gif[/img]
RKL:
[img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/4DKJDEsK22SR2/200.gif[/img]
All other equity partners:
[img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/IdmfEtnMWPzOg/200.gif[/img]

100 minutes in, when RKL answered questions about the future, by saying He Will Do Something And Personally See That This Firm Is One Of The Best Soon:

[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/tQSvunNhTuo24/200.gif[/img]

120 minutes in, when RKL wished everyone a good weekend:
[img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/f1U1xXGAQ1zjy/200.gif[/img]
Capmarxx 25 Sept 2020, 10:38
+11 -1
[img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/jfRGnN954yU7u/200.gif[/img]
Saraf & Co. 25 Sept 2020, 11:07
+9 -2
Getting ready to join Saraf & Co.
NabNab 25 Sept 2020, 12:24
+1 -0
....
Dhakka 25 Sept 2020, 10:43
+7 -1
Dhakka maar ke nikalenge saare kafiron ko, just like Bukesh Bambani did....fir apology text aayega.
ok 25 Sept 2020, 11:20
+8 -6
For every allegation that MS was throwing at RKL, L immediately showed messages. Called even the head of the bank live which MS was referring to. Saraf's bolti bandh after this meeting.
Guest 25 Sept 2020, 12:25
+6 -2
What matters is that RKL indulged in behaviour which was seen as problematic by all persons around; it is immaterial that he got a free pass after that. He cannot go around showing the message or calling up the bank head I front of the whole world. The world believes that RKL acted in an unbecoming matter. It is this which we wish him to change but his ego will not make him. He has told people “I am like that, take me as that or you can move on”.
Ok 25 Sept 2020, 12:55
+7 -5
Hey, as a neutral person, I will say that RKL was justified. He had to do that in order to prove the allegations wrong. Better to get the allegations shown the exit door with the bold steps he took.
KO 25 Sept 2020, 13:08
+11 -3
That was a clear hoax. No one heard the bank head nor saw anything concrete..cheap bluff. And No, Saraf's bolti wasn't bandh. We were all amused by RKL's chicanery. And Bobby's claim about him not being concerned about 'money shoney' was way over the top.
Bhagooooo 25 Sept 2020, 13:56
+1 -2
Don't think he convinced anyone with his cheap tricks.
LandL 25 Sept 2020, 13:58
+35 -6
I woke up today half expecting the newspapers to carry the report of what transpired; forgetting that it hardly matters to anyone except the 300-400 people on the call yesterday.
Whyy 25 Sept 2020, 11:11
+5 -0
Why is @Kian not doing a full feature or at least a major update on this article based on the disastrous townhall?

It’ll add some much needed authenticity to the claims being made here
lll 25 Sept 2020, 14:30
+0 -0
disastrous townhall? you are too naive. It achieved exactly what it was meant to achieve. And why it was called
Malana Institute of Te 25 Sept 2020, 14:54
+0 -0
Coz Kian for one does not have the full details; or does he? Did you get threats of criminal defamation too, Kian? Or would you also require MIT verified transcripts before you throw in some spice here? What will it take for you to write about the worst [...]
Blooper! 25 Sept 2020, 14:58
+1 -0
Into the valley of death rode the 300, Bobby to the left of them, Sondhi to right of them, rolling thunder, the blooper!
MS: You take my stake but I'll take yours too. You touch my Clients and I'll duck with you...you sexy(ist) man.
Undercover journo 25 Sept 2020, 16:19
+0 -0
Perhaps because all are told to keep shut and not cover the banter going on at this national law firm. By not covering this, it appears that major legal news media outlets have given up their true mandate. In my opinion, its all about money even if its at the cost of professionalism.
SA, SA 25 Sept 2020, 15:38
+0 -0
How much do RKL and MS make in a year?
Onlythismatters 25 Sept 2020, 15:55
+14 -0
Let’s not deviate from what actually matters
#justiceforSSR
Nameer 26 Sept 2020, 05:06
+2 -1
Shut up. That story has been milked out
FOUNDERofhashtag 25 Sept 2020, 20:41
+3 -2
Roses are red. Violets are blue.
Let's smash the patriarchy.
Me and you!
Let's join our hands for #justiceforMS Vs. #justiceforRKL and see who wins the lockdown series of L&Lbigboss!
FYI I am for #justiceforRKL! So one vote
Kapish 26 Sept 2020, 08:56
+0 -0
What does RKL have over MS?