Khaitan & Co has announced that all 49 law school graduates whom it had made campus offers to over the past years, would join the firm on 12 October 2020.
As is wont in the times of Covid-19, they will not be going to any physical office but instead will go for a “digital onboarding and induction” process.
“We have honoured every single offer made on campus,” explained Khaitan director HR Amar Sinhji.
“They have already been familiarised with all firm systems and processes,” he explained about the process. “Further to this, their virtual induction process will take them through all systems and functions in detail.”
Each joiner would be provided a fully configured laptop, since the firm did not “encourage the use of personal devices”, said Sinhji.
In terms of the technical challenges to inducing lawyers without significant practical lawyering experience to the firm, Sinhji explained: “Some of the challenges were how do we ensure that the onboarding experience is as engaging as it would have been if they had joined us physically.”
“How do we ensure that each one of them is provided a firm laptop and that they quickly come to speed with all systems and processes?” he asked. “So, we have a custom designed app that handles the entire onboarding experience and also ensures continuous engagement (without physically meeting anyone).”
It’s not all work and no play though, apparently. Sinhji said: “The onboarding experience will also bring in an element of fun and excitement. After all this is the beginning of their career, their first job and it should be an experience that stays with them for a long time and also makes them feel and realise that they are joining a storied tier one firm.”
“Administrative requirements” would be handled by a “state of the art human resources information system”, he noted, which meant the freshers could “work from anywhere in India”, with the firm also “ready to provide / guide them with local support to ensure adequate bandwidth in terms of connectivity / WiFi”.
The start date is delayed by around three months, however: in 2019, freshers had joined around July. The firm had first announced this to freshers in May, nearer to the start of the pandemic.
This year’s joining date will be slightly delayed and salaries would only begin to be paid from their official joining date on 12 October.
Several other firms had pushed fresher joining dates until 2020.
Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas (CAM) and L&L Partners had delayed joining dates until 2021, for instance, though CAM said it would also try getting freshers onto its virtual learning platform before then.
Khaitan new joiner breakdown
Khaitan & Co will see a total of 49 freshers start next week, of whom 33 (67%) came via pre-placement offers (PPOs), which are usually handed out after a candidate does an internship, with the rest having joined directly via on campus interviews (Khaitan generally aimed for a 70:30 split between the two, Sinhji explained).
The gender split in the intake is pretty even, with 25 female and 24 male budding lawyers joining the firm.
The breakdown between graduating LLB colleges is as below, with the largest number of candidates coming from NUJS Kolkata and JGLS Sonepat (6 each), followed by GNLU Gandhinagar, NLIU Bhopal and NLU Jodhpur (with five each).
| University | Number of joiners |
|---|---|
| NUJS Kolkata | 6 |
| JGLS Sonepat | 6 |
| GNLU Gandhinagar | 5 |
| NLIU Bhopal | 5 |
| NLU Jodhpur | 5 |
| Nalsar Hyderabad | 3 |
| NLU Delhi | 3 |
| Symbiosis Pune | 3 |
| NLSIU Bengaluru | 2 |
| Amity Delhi | 1 |
| KC Law Mumbai | 1 |
| Manipal University Jaipur | 1 |
| NLU Assam | 1 |
| NLU Odisha | 1 |
| NMIMS Mumbai | 1 |
| Nuals Kochi | 1 |
| Pravin Gandhi, Mumbai | 1 |
| RMLNLU Lucknow | 1 |
| Christ University | 1 |
| Symbiosis Noida | 1 |
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Make of that what you will.
PS: no one is saying 120/120 will end up at CAM/SAM/AZB/KCO/Trilegal.
No they don't.
Variable bonus and some health benefits also included apparently
Over here in India after 4-5 years an associate gets promoted to a senior associate, he earns around 30 LPA (compared to 20 Lakhs in London, and 15.5 LPA after tax) and his chances of reaching partnership are significantly brighter as compared to magic circle.
You can also always jump ship to a US firm after a few years of PQE. They pay significantly higher than the magic circle.
As fas as PPP comparison is, try using this link and you will realise it yourself. Everyone including me believed that UK firms pay higher but that is a complete myth. Magic circle firms pay you significantly lesser as compared to indian ones in terms of living standard comprison.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=India&city2=Delhi
When I got my first salary, I thought of reporting it to HR that they have mistakenly sent me salary of 2-3 people. That feeling is exhilarating - even if you get 1.2 lakh instead of 2.4.
If you by any chance think that people are smarter in magic circle- you are mistaken. Indian people at magic circle firms are obviously smarter since they fight the cut throat competition. However, english ones are just ordinary students of english universities. Infact, if you will compare that way- Tier 1 Indian firms have smarter people than magic circle ones. Trust me for Indian lawyers, london firms seem attractive because we are just attracted to London as a city and the crazy praise we get from our family and friends who just fantacize living in London!
First, you do 2 years of training at an MC firm after a year gap. Post 3 years u become newly qualified soliciter (NQ) and a year after u become PQE 1.
If u return back to India, ur London PQE will be credited but did u just forget that london PQE started counting 3 years after ur graduation. That itself makes u 3 year behind. Thats the major reason that people dont return back to India despite its a known fact that MC firms pay significantly less compared to Standard of loving costs in London and have very tardy promotion prospects.
If u think u will return to India with no/less Indian law experience and will be credited more than ur actual PQE, u are mistaken. U never get that!
I know atleast 2 MC trainees, who returned to India immediately after their 2 years of training. They started at A0 level. That made them 3 years behind their peers. Like it or not, this is the fact.
I know atleast couple of good students from NLS, who didn't even apply to MC vac schemes bcz of this.
Better if u want to work at a global law firm, go for a US LLM and try cracking a US law firm. They pay u hefty and also promote u steadily. OfC, its a bit hard nut to crack though
Not going into the technicalities of the relevant provision(s) viz. expense, etc. but the Income Tax Act permits lawyers to pay a reduced tax on incomes until a certain amount which works out to be about 10% tax on your income. If you have a good CA who can recommend the right investments to be made, it'll be even less.
NLUs from like 100-120
And now don’t say that not everyone out of this 400 wants a job-exact same logos applied to NLUs also
Plus it’s a fact that rich jgls kids have GREAT contacts and also get jobs using that
so much for people who thing NUJS is dead already
Wait for the CRC 2020 to release their recruitment figures
you’ll DIE
70++ TIER-1 jobs
Who’s contesting it?
Please be more transparent in your tags
batch size - 80-85,
3 students got Khaitan from its 1st batch. (https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-recruitment-2014-20141219-5443)
[b]6 years later in 2020[/b]
batch size - 360
6 students got Khaitan.
Haters gonaa hate hate hate but i am gona just shake shake shake, i shake it of, i shake it of.
Jigles has been able to increase its khaitan intake 2x in 6 years.
I like how NUJS’s current achievements also get forgotten for something that MIGHT happen in the future
NALSAR and NUJS are now 20+ years old. Have they achieved what NLSIU achieved in 2008, i.e. 20 years after its founding? A big NO.
Stop trolling Bhopal, ya haters!
Reply to 16.2: Going by your terminology, if a tier 2 NLU is able to top the the Placement of NALSAR, is it even fair to call yourself tier 1? Think about it.
By the way, I am not from NALSAR, so I have got no horse in this 'contest'. 16.1 asked a very valid question, your answer goes to reveal only your ignorance. Maybe because you actually do not have any real answer to give. I won't take your lack of sense as reflective of NLIU, it is a fine institution in its own right.
NLIU is at par with NALSAR (even better, here). Now just focus on the "even better, here". The argument was always restricted to the number of placements with KCo. But you let your petty pride come in between and shroud your sense.
Any neutral person would see that there was never an assertion of NLIU's superiority over Nalsar in the original comment. But your fragile sense of self-esteem got butthurt when you realized 5 > 3
1. Rhodes
2. Fulbright
3. Chevening
4.Cambridge Gates
5. Inlaks
6. Erasmus Mundus
7. Commonwealth
8. Humboldt Foundation,Germany
9. DAAD, Germany
10. Eiffel, France
11. Felix
12. Schwarzman, China
13. Pratibha Singh, Cambridge
Please provide NLS alum also man
Entitlement level max
Further, once a couple of students from any college start doing well at activity X, it becomes institutionalised and is much easier for the newer batches to do well at it. For example, look at moots like Ox-Price and ICC. Since the 2013 batch won ICC and 2014 batch won Price, teams have continuously been doing very well at both the national rounds and the international rounds. It is not as if NLUD students are inherently better off at International Criminal Law or Free Speech jurisprudence. It is just a matter of there being an ecosystem in college to support it. Similarly, I believe that NLS has ecosystems for these scholarships. I wouldn't be so sure of using either the brilliant performance of NLS with Rhodes or NLUD with price to say they are superior places. It only tells you their students at the game of Rhodes and the game of Price respectively. So the fact that 5 students (or whatever number) from NLS have won Rhodes or 5 teams from NLUD have done fantastic at ICC-Worlds cannot be used to make any comment on the performance/quality of other students from NLUD/NLS, in my opinion.
Also, regarding the batch stats, it is policy not to make it public so we do not share with Kian. Even IITs and IIMs follow it. A placement ranking or moot ranking creates unhealthy competition, which is why it is better not to have it. Kian also seems to have realised this and stopped publishing placement and moot stats.
Tier 1 options: Foreign law firms, Rhodes, Chevening, Gates, Felix, United Nations agency, UPSC.
Tier 2 options: McKinsey, LLM at top 5 world law school with or without funding, scholarships like Erasmus Mundus and DAAD, Supreme Court judicial clerkship (for future LLM scholarship) etc.
Tier 3 options: Supreme Court lawyer chamber, AZB, JSA, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, EY, KPMG, Deloitte, LLM at top 20 world law school with or without funding, think tank.
Tier 4 options: Trilegal, S&R, LLM at any other world law school with or without funding,
Tier 5 options: Khaitan, SAM, CAM, L&L
Tier 6 options: Firms like NDA, ELP, mid-size firms, High Court lawyer chamber, judicial service.
Tier 7 options: Any other
Thanks!
They also hire CA top rankers, and even doctors and IAS officers.
1. NLSIU as a brand is a lot more famous than others. Like it or not, but the media calls it the Harvard of the East.
2. CLAT toppers choose NLSIU
3. NLSIU has merit-based admission. No domicile quota, no capitation fee.
4. Other NLUs have received bad press: corruption, protests, sexual harassment etc. Even NALSAR and NLUD. .
5. Most other NLUs suffer from a herd mentality where students mostly focus on corporate law and join Indian law firms, whereas McKinsey prefers more innovative and independent thinkers.
6. McKinsey is a a global organisation. NLSIU students have more global exposure.
7. Elective credit courses at NSLIU are industry relevant.
[quote] Paul Cravath sought to hire only the "best of the best", and primarily looked to Harvard, Yale, and Columbia law schools for candidates. Graduates were expected to be members of the Phi Beta Kappa/Beta Gamma Sigma system, and to have served as editors of their respective school's law review. A graduate from a university outside of the top five was expected to be, minimally, the equivalent of a "B" student at Harvard or Columbia over time. [/quote]
From Wikipedia article on McKinsey:
[quote]McKinsey's practice of hiring recent graduates and the "up-or-out" philosophy, were originally based on Marvin Bower's experiences at the law firm Jones Day in the 1930s, as well as the "Cravath system" used at the law firm Cravath, Swaine and Moore.[/quote]
This explains why NLSIU rules the roost.
Point made in article - you can start working from home. You will get salary from Oct month end.
Rest of the firm's - please be nice and pay the price. It's an investment you are making in these associates.
This stat is for the JGLS batch which comprises of 360 students (including LLB and LLM). Moreover if our stats for CAM placements are made public, you’ll know that they are 2x any law school in India.
Also batch size doesn’t matter because most of my friends are kins of top lawyers and don’t sit for placement. A huge chunk also goes for LLM because we can afford. Those who care sit for the placements which are at par (if not better)with the top 5 NLUs.
Moreover, it’s just been 10 years of our existence and even if it’s 6 placements from a batch of 1800 that still means that we’ll have more people become partners in these law firms than your universities who will definitely hire from JGLS. JGLS has managed to get these placements without any alumni base. It’s been 5 years since the first batch graduated which means we don’t even have any alumni and we’ve achieved this. 5 years down the line, we’ll be undisputedly the best.
Also, people talking about JGLS tend to ignore the connections that are made here. You can work your *kian will censor* off and get a job in McKinsey while I’ll have a good CV and ask my friend who’s dad works there to recommend me for an interview if not job. Everyone’s parent here is either a bigshot lawyer or corporate guy and I am owning up to the “self entitled privileged brat” shit as long as I don’t have to care about my rents after I graduate.
Also since we have a campus life even when classes are online, I might not reply to the haters that will pounce on this comment.
Never did he/she/they say that the placements are solely because of connections. It’s talent, knowledge and connections. These companies are the epitome of capitalism and they won’t recruit someone just because the student has connections in the firm. But unlike your poor NLUs where the few who happen to be knowledgeable and talented but can’t get placed because of lack of connections.
On the other hand, a person without any connections could come to JGU and make them. So yeah to answer your question Knowledge (imparted by the better faculty) + Connections make it work at JGU.
Also people from NLUs need to stop acting like they don’t procure internships through contacts or if they wouldn’t have used their connections if they had any.
But all of it is not your fault, it’s probably the faculty. It’s a phase and it’ll be over.
1) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-preps-for-lucky-1-sep-fresher-start-ropes-in-10-senior-counsel-to-teach-200-final-years-lit-life-courses-20200806-11601
2) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-u-outsources-student-housing-to-goldmans-for-rs-900-cr-cheque-to-help-with-ioe-compliance-expanding-c-us-from-80-to-300-acres-20200622-11506
3) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/explained-what-is-who-might-take-india-s-first-ba-in-legal-studies-for-3-years-at-jgls-20191021-10942
4) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-hires-22-nlu-llb-grads-30-of-fac-hold-nlu-llbs-full-list-of-75-new-hires-20190914-10854
5) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-iit-kharagpur-du-recommended-as-national-institutions-of-eminence-as-gov-t-says-nlus-won-t-get-central-support-20190803-10772
6) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-scoops-3-former-vice-chancellors-as-profs-baxi-mp-singh-chimni-bb-pande-to-boost-research-teaching-phds-20190906-10831
7) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jindal-gu-sonepat-hacks-into-lower-reaches-of-qs-world-college-rankings-in-benchmarking-drive-though-methodology-a-bit-hazy-20190619-10646
8) https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/revealed-8-000-applied-for-lsat-cum-jindal-gls-admissions-up-from-350-in-2009-coaching-centre-ads-were-key-to-growth-20190529-10468
This list is not exhaustive. This is literally the last few news article about JGLS on LI. The articles on first page when you search JGLS. And we substantiate our arguments with evidence which is another perk of having a good education.
Moral of the story:- Stop bs about JGLS everywhere you see it. Do a certificate course of something or learn a new skill if you don’t have college life. Hate will do no good to you. Be happy at your university’s achievements.
We are not a part of your competitive culture. Don’t try to drag We don’t mean to say we are better than you. We are a different league and we are not competing you.
Live and let us live. Peace.
Better IQ for LSAT? Lol! The exam that sees only 5k students participating? As for coaching culture, LSAT has coaching for it in many parts of the world, it hasn't caught in India because very few students actually bother to appear for it.
Forced to read JGLS professors' books and reading? What are you smoking? More than half of the people there are greenhorns fresh out of their LLM who have got little idea about what they teach. Sure there are a few marquee hires, like Baxi, Singh and Chimni, but they aren't regular teachers, and have been associated with NLUs during the actual prime of their lives and careers. Most of your faculty are required to engage in PR wherever they go and whatever they do and it often sounds rather distasteful and noveau riche, especially when they do not keep the gravity of the circumstances in mind. Your head PR faculty was trying to write an eulogy about a deceased person some time back and still ended up engaging in shameful PR throughout it!
If your idea of 'college life' is to waste lakhs of parents' money, and lead a luxurious lifestyle and indulge in drugs, booze and partying without ever spending a dime earned by yourself, you are welcome to such life. Honestly, it is not something most people do or should aspire to, regardless of your skewed perception of the world.
As for jobs, 90% of JGLS students still do not get placed and most of your graduates who opt for foreign LLMs do so without scholarship (which is the easiest thing these days if you have got money to burn). Keep saying that every time you wish to compare your placement stats with the NLUs. Those who actually do get jobs, get the same jobs as most NLU grads do, but after burning away thrice the money in five years in the process. Only idiots do that. You were also trying to aggrandize not having to earn a job by your competence, but by the charity of your family connection and network. One doesn't know whether to laugh or cry at your hopeless priorities in life. And you had the temerity to call those who crack CLAT 'lucky'?
Get some education from your 'vaunted' faculty and stay off topics that does not concern JGLS and above all, do not try to flaunt your non-existent 'superiority', and you would find that nobody cares enough about you to bring you or your institution up either.
LMAO, JGLS students bring themselves up everywhere? Okay homie go check any news article on LegallyIndia and go down to the comments section. For an instance:- https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-preps-for-lucky-1-sep-fresher-start-ropes-in-10-senior-counsel-to-teach-200-final-years-lit-life-courses-20200806-11601 . This wasn't even about NLUs and their students. It was solely about JGLS. Your bottoms hurt when you see JGLS so sit down. And this about every article on JGLS. This proposition alone refutes everything that you said right there.
LSAT is an aptitude test and one has to possess some aptitude to know what aptitude is which you clearly don't because you got in through an examination which weighs rote learning over aptitude. But let me tell me tell you that aptitude exams don't need coaching. Most of the students, internationally, crack LSAT without any coaching which is a reason why there are only a handful of them and not an industry like in India. Those who coach themselves for LSAT are people who are weak in English. But again to understand all this, one needs to possess the national average of aptitude which is clearly lacking in your argument.
Whatever I am smoking is better than you, thanks to my privilege. We have basically hired all the good faculty available in India. So lets not talk about it because you guys text us and ask us for notes and course manuals. Baxi, Singh and Chimni are regular teachers for your kind information and the books that you read are not just limited to their publications. It was only day before yesterday a student from NLIU texted me and asked for my professor's slides on Evidence law because apparently they have his publication as their sole reading in the subject. Please don't compare your negligent research output to ours, the distinction is so evident that you're making a fool of yourself. The faculty straight out of LLM is young which understands student concerns unlike your old professors who don't give a darn about your future. This faculty also gets us internships and jobs unlike your faculty. You lack logic in your statement when you infer that young faculty is incompetent. If you actually had ever experienced being taught by a good young faculty you would've known. But you clearly lack logic for which I don't blame you because that could be one consequence of not having a good faculty like ours.
Why do NLU students act like they are representatives of all proletariats on the planet? Sit down homie, 2 and 2.5 lakhs per annum nearly touches the average salary of India. You can type in English which is indicative of your privilege. Also stop perpetuating your toxic ideology wherein you think is solely a monetary investment. As said in the comment above, we are way above it. Education means much more to us. We're not rote learners like you which is the reason our law students have founded successful self made startups like SleepyOwl in just 10 years of our existence. Even when we don't want placements, we do it better than you because those who come to interview can clearly distinguish between booking knowledge/rote learners and practical knowledge. You have never had the luxury to student law in interdisciplinary environment wherein you can combine the subject with subjects from International affairs, Global Policy, Business School etc. You won't comprehend this because your culture teaches -- Top the school- Top the CLAT - Get into an NLU- Rote learn everything from books written by JGLS profs- get a corporate job - die. We despise your reasoning which has created more robots than humans. Your scewed perception has led to mental health issues and suicides amongst those who couldn't abide by your shoddy standards.
LMAO, again to make your point look great you'd say anything which speaks a lot about your frustration. Everyone who wants to get placed gets a job. Please cite your "90% don't get placed" data. As I said, most of us don't want your silly jobs and we do better in life than you. A huge chunk of JGLS students are sons and daughters of successful lawyers and they join the chambers. There's a reason why successful lawyers choose JGU for their children, its because they know what real education means. We come here to get educated. Placement is something we don't care about and yet do better than you. A JGLS LLB graduate had won Inlaks scholarship last year in 2019 to pursue LLM (BCL) at Oxford on a full scholarship. JGLS graduates have won Commonwealth Shared Scholarship to study at Cambridge University on a full scholarship and even British Chevening scholarship to study in University of London. There are many other scholarships won by our students to study in the top universities of the USA, UK, Canada, Australia, China, Singapore, Europe and other parts of the World. All of this 10 years of existence. CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE WRITING BECAUSE WITH ALL THESE BASELESS ALLEGATIONS YOU DONT EVEN SOUND LIKE A LAW STUDENT, LET ALONE SOMEONE FROM AN NLU.
And again your problem is with US spending OUR money and using OUR connections while you'd have done the same thing if you had any (lol). You're evidently like an opportunist, hypocrite and jealous young student who'll throw in any slanderous statement without facts just to quench their ego. STOP talking like everyone who goes for an llm from NLUs goes on a scholarship.
Get a faculty like us to teach you basic etiquettes and legal methods. Or just indicate so I'll leave my professors notes in a google drive link here. Act more like a law student and less like Rahul Gandhi who tries to camouflage with the unprivileged but is made out of the same cloth. Stop getting triggered and hating on every comment section where JGU is mentioned. Sit down, we don't care about you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6TCSb5tCic
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4ttBeL4XY1pkfl1vFGyFCQ
It's exactly the opposite. Instead of you guys being the liberal elite, you're like those rich corporations who love handouts and not paying taxes (refer earlier comment where someone said they prefer to party through college and feel bad for those who had to work)