LKS, JurisCorp do increments, bonus • AZB, Luthra do bonus, freezes, welcome freshers

As the novel coronavirus is gearing up for a second wave and wreaking renewed havoc in much of the world and economies continue teetering on brinks barely held back by government stimulus packages, a number of law firms have recently eased restrictions on their fee-earners.

Albeit slightly later than usual, Lakshmikumaran & Sridharan (LKS) and JurisCorp have paid out bonuses and announced the normally routine annual fixed pay increments in line with post-qualification experience (PQE) levels.

At LKS, bonus payments and increments are normally announced around June, with increments paid in arrears from April.

This year both were announced in November, we understand from authoritative sources.

JurisCorp too has announced the normally-routine pay increments as well as having now paid out annual bonuses for the 2019-20 financial year.

The firm said in a statement that “in the wake of a global pandemic outbreak, Juris Corp managed to weather the blow ensuring full payments to all the lawyers and staff all through the year”, adding:

Adapting to the “New Now”, the firm’s members have shown remarkable resolve and resilience by attuning to robust technology, ensuring seamless delivery of work. This in turn has resulted in client requirements being met with efficiently. The Firm appreciates all its members for quickly adapting to the changed environment and demonstrating great teamwork, where working from home throws up its fair share of challenges and pressure.

Juris Corp co-founder Talat Shah commented in a press statement: “Our people have put in a lot of efforts inspite of the current challenging times. In light of the same, Juris Corp is committed to act in the best interest of our people.”

Juris Corp partner Pratish Kumar added: “These are uncertain times. Our workforce has been a critical part of our success. We like to reward our people for their stellar performance and support to the firm even during these difficult times.”

L&L: One bonus tranche but no increments

Yesterday, L&L Partners too has issued a press release stating that it had paid out bonuses across offices:

L&L Partners, formerly Luthra & Luthra Law Offices, has made bonus payouts across its offices pan-India today - all corporate counsels received pre-agreed bonuses, despite the impact of COVID19. All support staff also received their full annual payouts on time, before Diwali.

But we understand from several sources that annual fixed pay has been frozen and has not been incremented, though a spokesperson said today: “I believe the increments are still being considered. I also understand some increments are being announced today.”

Regarding the bonuses, the story is a bit more complicated.

We had reported in March 2020 that L&L had paid its year-end bonuses slightly early due to the pandemic.

And we understand according to an internal announcement, that (potentially former) senior partner Mohit Saraf had announced another bonus tranche that was paid around 9 September 2020.

However, this latest announced November bonus payment only applies to partners and managing associates.

According to multiple internal sources, the L&L bonus structure entails amounts disbursed several times per year up to a maximum bonus cap based on the PQE level of a fee earner.

The system is not entirely straightforward.

Associates and senior associates usually get paid up to 50% of their yearly maximum bonus cap in March, with the remainder paid in another tranche between July and September after appraisals.

Managing associates and partners get their bonuses paid in four tranches per year, however.

In any case, the current bonus payment would have been previously announced and not discretionary, as having been committed by the firm to be paid to fee-earners after the appraisals from July to September.

We understand that some of the ratios have also been tweaked downwards slightly this year.

L&L had recently also announced that fresher joining dates, which had been pushed to 2021 due to the crisis, would be joining this month.

AZB: Welcomes 50 freshers virtually, pays bonuses but no increments

AZB & Partners had recently also paid out bonuses, though increments and base salaries have also been frozen this year amidst the continuing uncertainty.

But good news for AZB freshers. “We welcome the batch of 2020 to AZB & Partners,” the firm had announced on Linked-in around two weeks ago with a lovely and popular graphic of all young joiners (see below). “We have on boarded 39 Associates in Mumbai, 2 in Bangalore and 9 in Delhi.”

While only having just formally joined, training had started as early as July, however.

“Even though the joining date was delayed due to the pandemic, we wanted to ensure that the freshers don’t feel excluded from the firm,” said AZB knowledge management partner Bhavi Sanghvi. “So from July onwards, we organised bespoke learning sessions (like FEMA, structuring, legal writing, etc) for the freshers which received an overwhelmingly positive response from them.”

Much like at other firms - such as Khaitan & Co and J Sagar Associates (JSA) - that have managed to induct freshers (albeit late), AZB has relied heavily on technology to make it happen.

“We used technology effectively to seamlessly integrate the freshers with the firm, be it remotely setting up their workspaces, online knowledge sessions, formal teams sessions or social catch ups,” AZB chief operating officer (COO) Eshan Sharma explained about how freshers were brought on board virtually.

He added: “We used a mix of remote desktop application, Zoom & [Microsoft] Teams for an efficient virtual onboarding. Other than meeting other lawyers in person, the joining has been as smooth and effective as the pre-pandemic times.”

AZB freshers
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Comments

Designation promotion 12 Nov 2020, 10:22
+12 -1
L&L and AZB announced promotions for this year but no increments. So for an SA who is promoted to MA/PA, will she still be paid what she was paid as SA in FY 19-20? Or will the promotion also entail payment as per base/band pay for such MAs/PAs? If it's the former, then essentially it's a designation-promotion and not a pay hike (which one would expect in case of a promotion in normal circumstances).

Interestingly, if this is true, then clients pay a higher rate of billing for the same counsel who is now promoted but that very counsel gets paid the same as she was in the past year and has the limited benefit of only new shiny title/designation.
Really? 12 Nov 2020, 12:33
+4 -0
Do you really think any client has paid higher rates since last year? If the rate stays the same it's a big achievement. Most clients have cut fees due to Covid.
Designation promotion 12 Nov 2020, 18:13
+8 -0
What you're saying is right. But out of context in response to my original comment. Even if hourly rates are the same as last year, the client is paying for the same counsel as an MA/ PA this year as compared to paying for that counsel as an SA the previous year. There's nothing wrong in that and that's how things actually work. What I'm saying is that *maybe* firms are billing more on hourly billing mandates thanks to newly promoted counsels without any related incremental monetary benefit to the newly promoted counsel.
Big 7? 12 Nov 2020, 12:58
+10 -0
No major firm other than Trilegal has announced increments. Every fee earner at the rest of the “Big 7” is functioning at the same salary that they had in the summer of 2019, regardless of performance, whether theirs individually or that of their team/firm. Of course, with most of them earning in 6 figures it might sound like a first world problem, but there is a legitimate expectation on their part, especially as the work flows have remained at almost the same levels through the pandemic. It’s high time the “Equity Partners” or Promoters at the firms take the hit, if any, and pay the associates or prepare to lose talent in the long term.
Really? 12 Nov 2020, 13:27
+3 -3
And where will such talent go if the problem is the same in all the firm's?
HSA 12 Nov 2020, 11:36
+14 -0
Hamara naam suna hai kabhi? at least all these people are getting bonus for the previous FY. We are awaiting bonus for FY 18-19 and 19-20 and sitting on deductions and delayed retainers. Partners haven't yet received August retainers for August and Associates for September onwards
Bond, James Bond 13 Nov 2020, 06:54
+6 -1
Work hard, and you shall, in fullness of time, get your aston martin
Robin Hood 17 Nov 2020, 14:14
+0 -0
Partner saheb yeh bhi toh batado ki clerks, support staff or associates ki bhi nahi mil rahi thankha. Lagta hai bonus ke sapne aapne abhi chode nahi hai.
Cameo 12 Nov 2020, 13:22
+6 -10
CAM best:

1. Dynamic WFH Policy announced and implemented with 5 options (HBD to us)

2. Reversal of Fixed Pay of April to October 2020 (HBD to you & Return Gift)

3. Announced FY 2020-21 revised compensation effective October 1, 2020 (HBD to me)
Coolsis 12 Nov 2020, 14:50
+0 -1
What is this revised compensation structure? Have they increased compensation for associates? If yes, how much at A0/A1 level?

Thanks
CamDreamer 13 Nov 2020, 21:03
+0 -0
Someone please share the revised compensation structure for A0/A1!!!
Toyourknowldge 12 Nov 2020, 18:15
+1 -1
Cam is not offering new positions to recent grads. Perhaps the firm is on a hiring freeze. I wonder they rose the compensation at all!
Guest000 13 Nov 2020, 18:31
+1 -0
What?? CAM provided increments?
LKS beneFACTOR 12 Nov 2020, 13:31
+8 -3
Kudos to LKS for announcing increments and promotions. is the system of factor still applicable????
Selective 14 Nov 2020, 11:55
+5 -0
Factor applicable across the board. Except for the JP who got double bonus and increment in April itself.
Is it???? 15 Nov 2020, 06:22
+5 -2
I am a great fan of factor system. Very novel idea whoever created this idea.

it is the only firm in the world i think where your take home per month actually reduces on promotion due to factor system.
Noob 17 Nov 2020, 12:38
+3 -0
Will someone be kind enough to break down the factor system for me?
L&L Increment 12 Nov 2020, 15:14
+6 -0
@RKL @MS saare increments ke paise uda diye Tripathi etc ki fees mein?
Alias 12 Nov 2020, 21:13
+2 -5
How many NLU joinees?
Freshers 13 Nov 2020, 00:08
+5 -0
Has JSA stopped hiring from law school campuses? Who are their inducted freshers? Apparently their freshers are no longer considered associates and are given the designation of "junior associate". They can remain junior associates up to a year. So, this gives the other top 6 firms a hiring advantage? As most freshers directly become associates?
Guest 13 Nov 2020, 01:04
+5 -1
Kian, please share the law school-wise breakup. Since you have abandoned your placement rankings we need to rely on such stories to see which law school is really walking the talk.
fyi 13 Nov 2020, 04:40
+9 -1
9 are from NUJS.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 06:21
+1 -5
Maybe, but the recruitment was carried out before the latest NIRF ranking and NUJS domicile quota imposition, so the future for NUJS is not good.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 07:54
+4 -0
Naysayers have been saying that for years, but the placement keeps getting better still. That's because the people who actually matter in the real world don't care for NIRF ranking or domicile quota, just good students who can get the job done. So anon trolls like you hardly matter.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 07:55
+2 -1
If you only predicting something actually made it true, o Octopus Paul.
Azbian 13 Nov 2020, 07:11
+24 -0
Typical AZB. Claim to be #1 , squeeze people dry, make super profits for equity and don’t give increments.
Tu Mera bhai 14 Nov 2020, 13:38
+0 -2
Waiting for vertices partners to declare bumper bonus.
CLAT Coach 15 Nov 2020, 07:34
+6 -4
Below is the law school wise breakup and ranking. I am a part-time CLAT coach and am sharing it for public information.

#1. NALSAR (10 recruits): Akhila Baddepudi, Abhay Bundela, Abhiraj Thakur, Anirudh Agarwal, Aradhika Ratan, Kevin Shaji, Puru Bansal, Saad Khan, Shivang Agarwal, Upasana Soni

#2. NUJS (9 recruits): Shaurya Mittal, Arnab Ray, Samarth Shandilya, Ishani Moulik, Agreema Sanghai, Himani Shah, Mohammad Zaid, Varun Khandelwal, Anirudh Goyal,

#3. JGLS (7 recruits): Siddhant Bhasin, Varsha S Banta, Vedant Kapur, Aarti Reddy Krishna, Prerna Saroha, Priyasha Goyal, Shivani Maheshwari

#4. Symbiosis Pune (4 recruits): Rhea Purohit, Shivani Shenoy, Tanvi Durve, Yashaswi Rohra

Joint #5. Tie between NLSIU, NLUD, NLUJ, HNLU and GLC (3 recruits each):
NLSIU: Devanshi Patel, Neha Lodha, Srishti Agarwal
NLUD: Rajkanwar Singh Kumar, Pundrikaksh Sharma, Neeraj Nainani
NLUJ: Dhruv Chadha, Kartik Yadav, Vartika Sharma
HNLU: Bhanu Prakash Joshi, Rhiti Chattopadhyay, Rupaly Middha
GLC: Ashana Shah, Raina Kanungo, Tanya Chib

Joint #10. Tie between NLIU, GNLU, ILS Pune, NMIMS (Narsee Monji), Christ (1 recruit each)
NLIU: Mudit Nigam
GNLU: Yashi Saraswat
ILS Pune: Vaibhav Chitlangia
NMIMS (Narsee Monji): Praneeta Ragji
Christ: Mithel Reddy

Analysis:

1. NALSAR is the topper, followed closely by NUJS. The batch size is smaller than NUJS, so the performance may be more creditable, but we also need to see how many sat for the recruitment process.

2. Feedback from many law firms is that elective credit courses are very important. This may explain the good performance by NALSAR, NUJS and JGLS..

3. 17 out of 50 hires (34%) are from non-NLUs, led by JGLS. This means either NLUs are slipping or new colleges are working hard and coming up. This may also be a result of demographic change: more small town students entering NLUs, firms prefer big city students fluent in English. There may also be about a perception of bad faculty and indisciplined students in certain younger NLUs. Whatever the reason, some NLUs have to do soul searching, especially younger ones.

4. For law aspirants, it means there is life beyond CLAT.

5. The big surprise is the weak performance from NLIU and GNLU. For NLSIU it could be that students are less interested in working for Indian law firms.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 08:51
+10 -3
This myth about NLSIU students not being interested in law firm jobs is just that, a myth. If one looks into the actual statistics of the NLSIU batches that sit for Day Zero every year, it would be seen that it has remained more or less the same on an average over the last 10 years, with approximately 40% of the batch applying for law firm jobs in every year. If one looks at the figures from NALSAR and NUJS, that percentage would be around 50. So, hardly any difference as such. People keep saying that NLSIU students aren't dominating latest law firm recruitments because their students no longer apply for law firms. That is not at all accurate. It's just that when it comes to law firms, there really isn't any discernible difference between an NLSIU grad, a NALSAR grad, an NUJS grad etc. any more. With NLSIU having increased its batch strength substantially from this year, the percentage of jobs available per student would also come down, that is unavoidable.
HNLU 20 15 Nov 2020, 10:26
+4 -1
Dear Mr. Clat Coach, you’ve mistakenly put Mr. Anirudh Agarwal who is from HNLU under the NALSAR head. Your breakup needs a little adjustment with Nujs and NALSAR being at par and HNLU being ahead of law schools like NLS and NLUJ in terms of AZB recruitments.
Jadugar bassi 15 Nov 2020, 12:59
+6 -2
Mr. Clat Coach needs way more help than that. Please tell him recruitments at only one of the several law firms is not a parameter to judge a law school by!
Huge claps and sadness 15 Nov 2020, 13:02
+0 -0
Huge claps for increments commensurate to PQE - Khaitan, SAM, CAM, JSA and AZB should follow lead! Trilegal announced increments even L&L has paid up now. When will your time come other firms - high time to give people their rightful due
Bullseet 17 Nov 2020, 12:12
+3 -1
Such a fallacious assessment.

1. There are persons who find employment due to factors other than their merit.
2. While offers accepted is a relevant metric, the more important one would be offers recieved. In one the "Joint 5" category colleges, one student received a PPO while, on campus, only 2 of 5 offers made were accepted.
3. "NLS students are less interested in working in Indian law firms" - really? While NLS has undoubtedly had a good track record in placing students in Magic Circle and Silver Circle firms (barring some aberrations in the past years) relative to other NLUs, considering their batch size, droves of NLS students end up in Indian law firms including in some of the more boring practice areas such as projects, etc.
4. As someone who has graduated from a very well placed NLU, even as per this fallacious list, I call absolute BULLSH*T on the demographic point. While firms do prefer their associates to be fluent in English, any student worth their salt who wants a BigLaw placement polishes their skills, if required at all, by the time placement season comes around. I've seen people from Jharkhand, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh be placed well before the supposedly "suave" English speaking, "fancy" folk like me and many of my other batchmates with similar profiles.


To any aspirant reading this - don't fall for this prima facie sensible talk which is so hollow when examined on the basis of ground realities.
Guest 17 Nov 2020, 13:03
+0 -0
@Bullseet: Let it be. If he himself could have done anything worthwhile with his own legal education, then he wouldn't have become a 'CLAT coach'. People like this are best left alone in their cocoons of delusion.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 14:26
+5 -15
Sorry Guest, but it is true that NLSIU students are not interested in working for desi law firms. They have a wealth of options: foreign law firm offers, scholarships abroad etc. Also, they want more challenging careers rather than doing transitional corp law. They would rather join a lawyer's chamber And of course there is UPSC. It's very simple: intellectually bright people want intellectually challenging careers, even if it may give less money.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 15:11
+9 -2
The fact that you are full of hot air is evident from the fact that the total number of foreign firm jobs offered to NLSIU students in any given year since 2010 has never exceeded 3-4 only (adding McKinsey, it would be around 5 annual average). So claiming that NLSIU students in general give up Indian firm jobs in favor of foreign firms is laughable. As for scholarships abroad, there is no data to indicate that NLSIU students get more scholarships or foreign LLM offers than students from NALSAR, NUJS etc. In fact, a look at the LLM intake of any top foreign university in any year would reveal similar number of students being accepted from all these places. Why don't you cite the stats to prove me wrong? NLSIU has stopped revealing their day zero numbers, applicants etc. long time back, and so has Kian. The moment that comes to light, this myth would be dispelled. It is just no longer enough to wax rhetoric about the supposed 'superiority' of students from any NLU without having any evidence to back up such claims. If NLSIU wishes to keep their numbers hidden, that's their prerogative, but in that case, people should stop making inflated claims on their behalf too. Around 25-30 students from NLSIU apply for Indian firm jobs every year including PPOs and that's a fact. That accounts for 40% of the batch or more.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 15:13
+4 -0
The careers you have referred to account for less than 30% of any standard NLSIU batch. What do the remaining 70% do, get their annual retainers from you? What unadulterated rubbish!
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 15:37
+7 -0
In that case, I guess all the interns from NLSIU that one can see hanging around the 'desi law firms' are only figments of our imagination. It would have been preferable to many had they been thus, if only to save the rest from their colossal sense of entitlement.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 15:41
Troll Contested
+2 -14
The pie chart of an average Law School graduating batch looks like this:

- 10% get Rhodes, Chevening etc, some to to Harvard
- 10% go to other foreign universities
- 10% join Magic Circle firms
- 10% prepare for UPSC, Delhi Judicial Service, IIM CAT and GMAT, other exams.
- 10% join chambers of Supreme Court advocates
- 10% join consulting firms like McKinsey, EY etc, or large MNCs like Microsoft, Tata etc.
- 10% join NGOs and think tanks
- 10% start their own business or NGO, or pursue non-law careers.
- 10% join Indian law firms in the non-corporate segment, e.g. IP, tech, trade.
- 10% join Indian law firms in the mainstream corporate segment

Thus, in a batch of 80 students only around 8 aspire to work for a CAM or AZB.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 18:54
+7 -0
Your pie is laced with too much weed it seems, because what you said is absolutely make believe. Just for the benefit of those who might out of ignorance fall for your tripe, according to your calculation, 8 students from NLSIU join magic circle firms every year. That's a bare faced lie and I call you out on that. There has been no NLSIU batch in the past decade to have ever done that. If you want to prove that, name that batch and the 8 people from it. According to you, 16 students every year go for reputed foreign universities with scholarships. I again call out your lie and dare you to name any batch since 2010 where this has happened. In fact, apart from UPSC and advocate juniors, every piece of stats that you've mentioned is the product of delusion.
Guest 15 Nov 2020, 19:03
+5 -0
Rhodes and Chevening every year? That's good shit that they are peddling in the alleys of Nagarbhavi these days. Roadie and Rhodie are two different things, ask your VC about it and he'd explain it to you. FYI, not more than 40 NLSIU students have got through the reputed foreign universities for LLM, BCL, JD etc. in the past 10 years. Some of the other law schools would easily match that performance.
Duh 15 Nov 2020, 19:09
+5 -0
Getting tired of lies from NLS alumni/ students
Insecure much?
lol.. "Law School" .. cute

As per you, for 2019:
8 scholarships, 8 foreign univs, 8 consultancy, 8 civils, 8 non-legal careers, 8 litigation, 8 foreign firms?
(i.e. 56+ out of 80 don't even consider placements?)

Only 8 "aspire" to work in a law firm??

LIES!

In 2019
.. 58 students "aspired" for placements..
.. [b]22[/b] opted out, not 56+

[i]2019: "The 22 students in the NLSIU batch of 80 who are not participating in the of RCC activities 22 are likely to go for a mix of LLMs, the bar, judiciary and civil services exams, said a campus source.." [/i]

Your estimates ARE WAY OFF

[i]2019: "... NLS students were just unlucky this year in their overseas applications, though last year at the same time only [b]one[/b] NLS student had secured a vacation scheme out of 46 jobs but was considering dropping this for a domestic job offer (the year before that, NLS had 3 vacation schemes by Day Zero)." [/i]

NALSAR and NUJS have better placements in most years

This fake narrative from NLS is an illusion to save face

Your comment stinks of insecurity
Toyourknowldge 16 Nov 2020, 03:20
+1 -1
Even for 2022 batch, no NLS syudent has bagged any vac scheme.
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 04:44
+2 -1
The last recruitment ranking that Legally India did was back in 2014. This was the top 5:

NALSAR (score of 22)
NLSIU (score of 16)
NUJS and NLUD joint (both score of 15)
JGLS (score of 13)

Thus, NLSIU was overtaken in 2014 itself and almost tied with NUJS and NLUD. But then Legally India mysteriously stopped doing the ranking. There are many rumours as to why this happened, but better not to say.

https://www.legallyindia.com/201412175443/Law-schools/jgls-recruitment-2014
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 09:01
+0 -0
Here is the placement ranking methodology used by Legally India.It has many flaws. It is giving the same points for an SC and HC clerkship of litigation chamber job. It is also giving Pangea3 the same status as a job with PRS Legislative or a law firm paying 10 lakhs pa. This makes no sense at all. Working at Pangea3 is much less prestigious. LLM admissions are also given the same rank as LPOs. Why? What about those who got scholarships? What about tiers within foreign universities, e.g. top 10 QS rank vs top 50 QS rank? I also cannot see any ranks for clearing UPSC, and even within UPSC clearing IFS/IAS/IPS deserve more points.

It's a totally wrong ranking.

https://www.legallyindia.com/201410315253/Law-schools/law-schools-recruitment-power-rankings-2013-14
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 10:11
+6 -2
All rankings are wrong, because they try to compare differently placed people/individuals/institutions on the basis of rigid uniform parameters. If there's a ranking of wrong rankings, even that would be wrong too.
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 10:33
+3 -2
Comment of the year. If only more people understood that, then a lot of toxicity for which the LI comments section is infamous for, could have been done away with for good.
Outsider 16 Nov 2020, 10:00
+2 -3
Kian I have heard that NALSAR has got some crazy recruitment scene this year too. Can you verify plz? Apparently while other NLUs including NLS still seem to be trying to figure out DAY 0 dates and get some firms to recruit, NALSAR has already got LOTS OF OFFERS in last month. Maybe FM is helping them. Apparently NALSAR Admin promised help in recruitment due to covid earlier this year and the results r here.
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 10:36
+2 -1
I've heard about NALSAR's ongoing recruitment too. Even NUJS has not apparently been waiting for a single day zero any more, but started the placement scene, with plenty of PPOs already being there pre-COVID. NLSIU on the other hand is facing the trouble of admin noncooperation, though with their alum pull, they would figure it out soon enough. Hope all the students from the various places end up doing well despite the pandemic.
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 13:05
+0 -4
Guest 16 is correct. NALSAR topped placements this year. Sad to see jealous of students of other NLUs downvote the comment. Frog in a well mentality.
Toyourknowldge 16 Nov 2020, 14:26
+0 -1
I heard only trilegal among tier 1 law firms is recruiting currently. Not only nalsar and nujs, I am sure that GNLU also got a few students placed already at Trilegal through campus recuitment. There are a couple of PPO as well. Do you know if any other firm has recruited 2021 batch students through campus placements?
Insider 16 Nov 2020, 16:59
+0 -0
Other Tier 1 firms also came for NALSAR's recruitment. It was not only Tri.
Truthhhh 16 Nov 2020, 17:39
+0 -0
Dude, i am pretty sure no other firm other than trilegal is recruiting currently
Insider 18 Nov 2020, 10:49
+0 -0
And Trump is pretty sure that he won the election :)
Guest 18 Nov 2020, 16:54
+0 -0
NUJS 2021 batch has already secured over 55 jobs including PPOs for the 70 students who've signed up for placement. I am not including the multiple offers. 55/70 students have already been placed, with several tier one firms yet to conduct campus placement. The fact that only 70 students signed up for placement out of a batch of 120 plus is also a clear indicator that plenty of students opt for alternate career options other than firm jobs, something which outsiders trolls always try to discount.
curious boy 19 Nov 2020, 10:55
+0 -0
Dude, mind telling how many of these are from tier 1 law firms?
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 11:30
+0 -0
All of those.
Noojie 16 Nov 2020, 15:09
+7 -1
As a student from NUJS, I can honestly say that in these difficult times, I feel glad to know that people are getting jobs, be it from my university or another. To a rational mind, it means that the industry is hiring and therefore, capable people would get their own chances. Unless someone is terribly insecure about their own ability, I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with NALSAR grads doing well even in these tough times.
Toyourknowldge 16 Nov 2020, 15:33
+0 -0
Well, do you have any idea how many student secured jobs through campus placements this year and which firms are recruiting?
Guest 18 Nov 2020, 16:17
+0 -0
Trilegal, SAM, AZB for sure that I know of. Not sure about the others.
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 13:06
+1 -0
Any updates on Rhodes this year? Who got shortlisted?
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 13:31
+0 -7
To Law School haters: If ya'll are better then how come 99% of CLAT aspirants put Law School as first preference?
first preference 16 Nov 2020, 14:26
+3 -1
By default, NLS is the first preference while registering for CLAT. Maybe there lies your 99% Dettol.
Guest 16 Nov 2020, 15:10
+5 -0
Because they only get to know the truth after they get in and the golden varnish is revealed as mere gilt. Also, what's a Law School? If you are ashamed of your university status, you should change the name.
Guest 17 Nov 2020, 07:02
+0 -0
Why no comments on the fantastic placements of JGLS, overtaking NLSIU and NLUD?
Truthhhh 17 Nov 2020, 10:00
+0 -0
Where is the data corroborating the same?
jiggles 17 Nov 2020, 10:46
+0 -0
they might have better placements than NLS in numbers.

NLS has almost 80 students per batch (apart from 2025). let's say all 80 get some job.
Even then it is possible that Jiggles has overtaken them, not only for this year but others years as well.
Jiggles has 900 students I think (3+5 year, both sit for placement together) even 100 get a job then Jiggles overtakes NLS or any other NLU. That's separate matter ki 50% of these jigglers may have got jobs in Pangea or something
Guest 17 Nov 2020, 11:53
+2 -1
If you have 1000 students and you can only place 100 of them, then that doesn't mean that you have overcome another institution which has 100 students and places 70. And even in terms of sheer number, Jindal doesn't get more tier one firm placements yet. Despite having almost 7 times the students of any NLU. That alone should put its claims of 'superiority' to rest. There's no use flogging the same dead horse again and again.
Guest 17 Nov 2020, 10:31
+1 -3
Because no matter how many students get placed from JGLS, as a total percentage of their humongous sized batch, it would be way behind any other NLU. Even calculating how many students got placed out of how many applied for placement won't work for JGLS, since all of their students are not allowed to participate in the day zero placement process. They have a CGPA rule. No NLU does that at present.
J.SA 18 Nov 2020, 08:08
+1 -0
JSA hires freshers? Since when?
Guest 18 Nov 2020, 10:27
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Is there any graduate from NALSAR or NUJS who is a partner at a tier 1 foreign law firm? Even if there is, can we compare with Law School grads who are their contemporaries? I think you will find the Law School number a lot higher. Furthermore, Dipen Sabharwal became a QC only 18 years after graduating.Are there currently any NALSAR or NUJS grads who may become QCs by 2025 to 2030? Similarly, Law School grads have become Senior Advocates and High Court judges around 15 to 20 years after graduating. Can we expect this from NALSAR or NUJS by 2025?

The point I am making is that Law School has a different vision, NALSAR/NUJS has a different vision. I am not criticising, just making an observation. It is fine if being a partner at AZB or CAM is your ultimate ambition.

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawfirms/first-nls-grad-takes-silk-white-case-partner-jessup-legend-dipen-sabharwal-becomes-elite-senior-queen-s-counsel-in-uk-20190111-9829
Law School Zindabad 18 Nov 2020, 10:55
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Yes law is also taught only in law school not in all these other Universities.

I heard law school students are not doing well these days though because they're missing their daily breakfast of ambition and lunch of vision at the Nagarbhavi Mess. Apparently the Dinner is only air though, but maybe that's essential for these f**kall comments too.
Guest 18 Nov 2020, 14:49
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HC judges? Plural? Isn't there only one, Bobby Sharaf? Talk about generalization based on exceptions! Probably that's the sort of reasoning that is the product of a trimester system. Similarly, 2 QCs out of almost 2000 alum don't indicate any institutional trend, just individual brilliance. Start comparing the performance of graduates in the last decade. When law aspirants truly have had multiple options to choose from.
HaHaHa 18 Nov 2020, 17:16
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Bobby Saraf became a permanent judge in 2019 (26 years after 1st batch)
It's an aberration. It is NOT yet a norm for NLS alumni to be elevated regularly.

It'd be at par for NUJS/ NALSAR to produce a HC judge by 2031.
Not 2025.
Several HC judges are from Delhi University, BHU, Madras Univ, etc
As per you, those colleges are better than NLS.

NLS commenters failing miserably at logic.


80,000 students write CLAT. Do everyone a favour by continuing to take the cream of the crammers.
Guest2 19 Nov 2020, 04:20
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This world would've been such a better place only if you had known how to fact check your 'generalization' trash and not added to the trash-ness of the comment you responded to.

Other than J. Shekar B Saraf, J. Justice C Saravanan (1994 Batch - Madras HC), J. Sunil Yadav (1996 Batch - K'tka HC), J. Suraj Govindaraj (1995 Batch - K'tka HC) have also been appointed as HC judges.
TrashTrasher 19 Nov 2020, 09:10
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That number is still very low

NLS has 12 extra senior batches

NLS is projected as if every law firm or practice should be led by someone from NLS

All rubbish
TrasherTrasher 19 Nov 2020, 10:45
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Still very low as compared to what? DU Law Faculty which started back in 1924? Do you have any 'comparable' point of reference to justify your rubbish?
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 11:29
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So, 1 out of 1200 alumni is admittedly a generalization, but 4 out of 1200 is clearly indicative of a pronounced trend. God save us from NLSIU trolls and their logic!
Guest2 19 Nov 2020, 18:30
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Again, only if you had bothered to read my comment properly. No worries, let me break it down for you.

I refer to the first comment as trash. Period.
Guest 19 Nov 2020, 13:07
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Considering all 4 have graduated before 2000, your comparable point of reference doesn't exist either. Try comparing the achievements of graduates in the last 10 years, as someone has written above.
TrasherTrasher 19 Nov 2020, 18:46
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First of all, I never said I am supporting the trash that was said in the initial comment. Just because I am questioning the logic/premise of an argument does not automatically mean that I am endorsing the opposite side.

Also, since you are the one who seems very keen on comparing, please do us a favour and explain how you arrived at last 10 years as a time frame to make comparisons.
Guest 20 Nov 2020, 01:59
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I can be flippant and say that's the census time period, but the truth is that it has already been mentioned that students did have the highest possible good options during the last decade only with not only NALSAR and NUJS as established places, but also with new good places like NLUD having come up and private places like Jindal improving themselves rapidly too. Unlike before 2000 when it was either NLSIU or a traditional state law college.
NUJS/ NALSAR grad 18 Nov 2020, 14:50
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Aha! Exactly the kind of "glitter" NLS alumni/ students use to FOOL young applicants!

[b]$3m PEP firm Willkie Farr promotes NUJS ‘08[/b]
An NUJS grad is a Partner at a well respected & highly profitable foreign firm.

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawfirms/3m-pep-firm-willkie-farr-promotes-nujs-08-rahul-saha-to-partnership-20200122-11165

[b]Your statements are misleading.[/b]

1. You're comparing alumni achievements which are a factor of time.
NUJS's first batch graduated in 2005 while NLSIU's first batch graduated 12 years earlier in 1993. Since then, NUJS & NALSAR have not only matched NLS but frequently overtaken NLS in placements, moots / competitions, scholarships, foreign university admissions, etc.

2. It's not just about the 12 years in between.
NUJS & NALSAR forged their nascent identities despite unfavorable economic conditions (their initial batches graduated in a vastly different economy (remember 2008?) vs the booming 90s.

3. There's A LOT of competition now.
As late as 2000-01, only 1,200 to 1,400 lawyers graduated every year. Compare that with the 60,000 lawyers who signed up for AIBE 2017. Career paths are different too.

4. NLS's student intake has changed.
Fact is, the exact kind of students who once waltzed into NLS are easily spread out amongst the top few law schools.


No, you're not the "Harvard of the East". You're the NLSIU of Nagarbhavi.
NLS students try to differentiate themselves based on a make-believe legacy.

Perhaps, in the 90s you were an only "law school" in an ocean of "law colleges".
Your lack of imagination to have since evolved (ignorant of others around you) is.. entertaining!

Think about this. Imagine if you asked your young cousin which school she attended & she said -
"I go to the school"

Your bemused expression and the ridicule that may follow sum up how many of us view NLS.
Guest 18 Nov 2020, 16:19
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There are at least 3 foreign firm partners from NUJS whom I am aware of. I'm sure that there are several from NALSAR too.
Guest 18 Nov 2020, 15:10
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Different vision would mean NLSIU students on an average do something else compared to other NLU grads. Giving anecdotal examples aren't going to work to establish that. Nor would giving examples of graduates from when NLSIU used to be the only NLU.
FOR A0/A1 18 Nov 2020, 14:42
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LOL @AZB holding mandatory lectures for their freshers before their joining so they dont have to pay for their time, while other firms have been conduction inductions post official joining. One may say that a firm shouldn't be expected to pay freshers for this time, but consider that knowledge sessions / CLEs are a continual process

"we organised bespoke learning sessions (like FEMA, structuring, legal writing, etc) for the freshers which received an overwhelmingly positive response from them.”
curious boy 20 Nov 2020, 02:44
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Hey, Just a quick question- Is 15LPA Base salary or CTC of Cam/sam/Khaitan A0 Associates? If 15LPa is the CTC, how much is the inhand/base salary?
curious boy 20 Nov 2020, 11:55
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Someone plz reply!
levante 20 Nov 2020, 16:50
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Most firms hire on a retainer basis & not really on ctc basis. 10% TDS is cut .
Tax Babu 20 Nov 2020, 20:32
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It's a retainer. You're an independent contractor. The firm will deduct 10% from your paycheck as TDS. Hire a good CA to file your tax returns, he'll ensure that your you don't have to pay any more in taxes than the TDS that's already gone.
Taxgurustudent 21 Nov 2020, 01:47
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I thought tax for lawyers (professionals) isnt even 10% under presumptive taxation of section 44 ad. Tax liability is hardly 70k for 15 Lakhs annual retainer of an associate. However, 10% however, is almost double
Yes 21 Nov 2020, 09:32
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If you fully use proper tax breaks - more like 30k or so
Taxgurustudent 21 Nov 2020, 01:52
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Also, I heard that a firm like S&R pays 4 Lakhs annual bonus to A0s, that would be absolutely tax free, right?