Luthra co-founder Saraf & Partners opens doors today with warchest & corp hitters Jhawar, Kakkar + 18 (claimed & unnamed) others from L&L, 3 cities [UPDATE-2]

Saraf and Partners to begin imminently...
Saraf and Partners to begin imminently...

L&L Partners co-founder and former senior partner Mohit Saraf, who had won a Rs 77 crore-value settlement in a protracted arbitration and Delhi high court dispute and separation with fellow co-founder Rajiv Luthra, will announce the setting up of his own rival firm today, we understand according to multiple market sources.

Saraf’s firm will be called Saraf & Partners, and will include at least two of L&L’s few remaining corporate heavy-hitting long-time corporate partners, Bikash Jhawar and Vaibhav Kakkar, according to two authoritative sources. Jhawar, a 2003 NLSIU Bangalore graduate had been with the firm since 2007 after leaving ICICI Bank, while Kakkar, had worked at the firm since graduating from NLU Jodhpur in 2006.

According to our league tables, both of those names have been the highest-profile and busiest in L&L’s remaining corporate practice, with Jhawar having acted in 2019-20 on 7 deals worth $4bn, including a number of huge insolvencies; Kakkar having led on nine deals worth $208m that year, including often with the firm’s late senior corporate partner Sundeep Dudeja.

Those two have been some of the most hotly tipped and, according to some of the transcripts of internal firm discussions submitted in court, also vocal supporters of Saraf’s vision of opening up the equity of the firm in a different manner from Rajiv Luthra’s.

However, we believe that other L&L partners will also be joining, we have not been able to authoritatively at this time confirm the other names that will be part of the Saraf & Partners starting line-up, but will update this story when we hear more.

We have reached out to Saraf, Jhawar and Kakkar for comment but neither have responded.

We have also reached out to Luthra for comment.

Update 13:33: The new firm has sent out a press release, stating that the firm would have 21 partners “who have resigned from L&L” and a total of 84 lawyers (though it does not list the partners). The (nearly) full press release included below.

Update 12:41: As pointed out in the comments, Saraf and Partners also has a logo, Twitter account and registered domain (linked to from Twitter but only with a holding page now) now.

The Saraf and Partners logo and Twitter is live
The Saraf and Partners logo and Twitter is live

Long time coming

But for the name, the fact of Saraf & Partners starting will surprise very few people in the market, which has witnessed the break-up of the firm since we had first begun reporting bitter and very open internal fights in late 2020.

Since then, at least seven partners - including many of whom were homegrown at the firm - had quit the firm, in addition to mass departures such as nearly the entire top-rated capital markets team previously to IndusLaw.

That said, despite the heavy attrition and losses of talent that he might have hoped to entice into his new endeavour, he does start out with a warchest of Rs 52 crores in cash from Rajiv Luthra after the litigation, and a bank guarantee of Rs 25 cr from the latter pending the final outcome of the arbitration.

Luthra down in numbers but not out

During the Delhi high court dispute, Rajiv Luthra has attempted to plug some gaps with hires - somewhat complicated by the fact that the Delhi high court had imposed a moratorium on any hires, which had therefore purportedly been made unilaterally by Rajiv Luthra on his personal book rather than the firm’s.

These include the re-joining of AZB & Partners Mumbai-based banking partner Piyush Mishra into L&L’s depleted Mumbai office and insolvency team, according to Bar & Bench (the NLSIU 2002 graduate had left L&L in 2007 and 2015 after three and near-six-year stints respectively, bracketed and interposed by roles at erstwhile Amarchand Mangaldas, Allen & Overy and Cyril Amarchand after moving to AZB in 2018). Bar & Bench also reported that L&L was looking to expand its office space to entire 20th floor of an Indiabulls building, though we have not been able to confirm precise details.

Another Luthra alum, Abhishek Mathur, would also be rejoining L&L in Delhi, according to B&B. Mathur had been running ABM Law Associates his own firm since leaving Luthra & Luthra, as it was then called, in 2008 after having begun his career at Luthra’s in 2003 after graduating from NLSIU.

We also understand that in the latter stages of the dispute, at least since May 2021, Rajiv Luthra had hired the 2016 to April 2021 Trilegal chief-operating officer, Sabiana Anandaraj, as part of his personal team to help him in managing the firm.

The hire makes sense, as of course, managing the firm on an operational level had previously effectively been Saraf’s role, despite Saraf’s prior official job title having been senior partner and Luthra’s that of managing partner, which Luthra retains at the continuing L&L firm.

We have not been able to confirm Anandaraj’s official title at L&L.

The Luthra & Luthra of the future

What exactly the future structure of L&L will be, is not clear.

For one, negotiations to extricate Saraf from the separate litigation and other partnership he has a stake in, are presumably still ongoing and were not included in the Delhi high-court sanctioned settlement.

What is known, is that during the midst of the dispute, Luthra had infamously ousted Saraf and opened up a side pot of equity, appointing two partners - Delhi-based Harish Kumar and Mumbai-based Aniket Sengupta - into this new equity pot.

We understand that the exact percentage of his equity that Luthra had opened up at the time was equivalent to 0.25% of Luthra’s 66.6% profit share at the corporate partnership firm (Luthra had not responded for comment to this figure back in January 2021).

If that figure is correct, and if taking a high-point profit of Rs 43 crore at the corporate firm, according to claims that had been made by Saraf, that would equate to around Rs 7 lakh of annual equity profits available for distribution to equity partners other than Luthra (and Saraf, back then).

Presumably Luthra has been busy trying to come up with a more workable equity model since then - since it was the most public bone of contention that finally led to the fundamental disagreement between the two - though no firm announcement or commitment has yet been made internally.

Likewise, the equity structure of Saraf’s firm is not yet known either.

Saraf & Partners press release

Update 13:33: The firm has issued a press release with more information (though it’s still silent on the other partners):

Noted corporate lawyer, Mohit Saraf today announced the launch of new law Firm Saraf and Partners, an independent, full-service legal enterprise with offices at Delhi, Mumbai, and Bengaluru.

This marks the beginning of a new initiative by Mr. Saraf, who had previously been the co-founder at M/s L&L Partners (earlier Luthra & Luthra Law Offices) (“L&L”) – one of the leading corporate law Firms in India.,

Saraf and Partners shall at inception, comprise of 21 Partners and total strength of little under 100. The members of the Firm have extensive experience practising law at the highest levels with its partners all being leaders in their respective fields, Individually and collectively. The lawyers comprising the Firm have been recognized for their excellence by clients, industry bodies and their peers – and are drawn from a variety of backgrounds so as to ensure an optimal client experience.

Sharing his views about the new firm, Mr. Mohit Saraf, Founder & Managing Partner said, “The Legal industry is evolving at a tremendous pace, making it crucial for Indian law firms to reinvent, advance, and adapt themselves to these changing times. While the split from L&L was a major contributor to the inception of Saraf & Partners, one of the core values being offered by this firm is the modern ideology and inclusiveness in the management of clients and business partners. Our mantra is to build an institution where everyone feels a sense of belongingness and loyalty towards the firm. With Saraf & Partners, we are striving to transform the legal landscape with a new-age, innovation-led and vision-oriented firm which is ahead of its competition in the market. Each of the 21 partners are leaders in their areas of competency and are also the owners of the Firm, and will have a big role in managing the Firm. This is the beginning of a new era and we are excited to see where this journey leads us in future.”

The Firm intends to provide its full-service legal capabilities to its existing and potential clients and offer specialization in the areas of [mergers and acquisitions, restructuring, PE & VC investments, banking and finance, insolvency & bankruptcy, IPR & Tax. as well as corporate disputes]. The Firm will aim to bring a strategic approach to client needs combining sectoral knowledge and legal experience.

Elaborating further on the new firm, Mr. Saraf said, “What makes the Firm even more distinct is its commitment to rewarding excellence and its entrepreneurial and strategic approach to growth. At inception, only a third of the Firm’s equity shall be held by me – with another third being held by the various leading partners who shall be transitioning to join the Firm. A further third of the equity of the Firm has been earmarked for the talent acquisition process that the Firm shall soon be taking up to expand – ensuring that the best and the brightest lawyers are both incentivized to join, and feel part of, the structure of the Firm. This model of minority ownership will go hand in hand with a participative and broad based management system – giving the lawyers and counsels space to grow as professionals and incentivizing performance in a sustained structure.”

It has to be noted that L&L had been a two-partner partnership firm that had been operated by Mohit Saraf (“MS”) in collaboration with Rajiv Luthra (“RL”). Saraf and Partners came into existence after over time numerous differences had arisen between MS and RL in respect sharing of ownership of the Firm with younger partners. This resulted in RKL illegally expelling MS from the partnership and was the subject of litigation between the two partners before Hon’ble Delhi High Court. The Hon’ble Delhi High Court in January 2021 – had ruled in favour of MS. In an appeal, the parties, in the interest of all the clients, attorneys and staff associated with the practice, decided to agree to separate - on terms of settlement which were recorded by the Hon’ble Delhi High Court (Division Bench) through its orders.

Pursuant to the orders of the Hon’ble Delhi High Court, MS has now been empowered to set up his own independent law practice, including in partnership with any lawyer/ advocate who was part of L&L Partners. MS and RL are entitled to claim credit for all works done and accolades won by the L&L, as well as compete for its clients, work, advocates, and staff. Hon’ble Delhi HC order has provided choice to each and every client, lawyer and staff to either join the Firm led by Mohit Saraf or Rajiv Luthra.

The entity controlled by RL has been permitted to use the brand name L&L Partners or “Luthra & Luthra Law Offices, sybject to contractual settlement. Accordingly, a separate entity, branded Saraf And Partners has been established by MS, and a large part of the current strength of 84 includes 21 partners who have resigned from L&L Partners and are accordingly moving to Saraf and Partners.

The Firm will operate out of its new office locations starting today and may be contacted at the below coordinates:

Contact:

[Delhi:]

Mohit Saraf, Saraf And Partners, New Delhi

Saraf & Partners,

The Leela Palace,

Africa Avenue,

Diplomatic Enclave,

Chanakya Puri,

New Delhi,

Delhi- 110023.

[…]@sarafpartners.com Ph-011-44050600

[Mumbai:]

Saraf & Partners,

Unit No 4,

3rd Floor,

Adani Inspire,

G block, BKC,

Bandra Kurla Complex,

Mumbai,

Maharashtra-400051.

[…]@sarafpartners.com Ph-022-44050600

[Bangalore:]

Saraf & Partners,

14th Floor,

Skav, 909 building,

Lavelle Road,

Ashok Nagar,

Bengaluru-560025.

[…]@sarafpartners.com Ph-080-44050600

Comments

Standard & Poor 19 Jul 2021, 05:04
+37 -9
Real test of leadership is now - will t(he)y deliver what t(he)y assured(?). Next 12 months would be critical for this venture to succeed (or...!). The name on the door is the first sign for people to read.
Lu & Lu 19 Jul 2021, 06:21
+24 -15
What you have written also applies to existing L&L law offices no ? Next 12 months will be critical for this ship wreck to stay afloat.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 06:59
+74 -3
The name on the door is quite the letdown. So much hypocrisy
Munna Bhai 19 Jul 2021, 07:00
+54 -1
Very true, wonder how MS will treat other (equity?) partners given that he is refusing to even keep a neutral/more professional firm name.
MBBS 22 Jul 2021, 19:49
+10 -0
He will continue the same treatment.
Cheater 19 Jul 2021, 09:03
+93 -5
I think the last time I felt so cheated was when I found out that my girlfriend was sleeping with my best friend.

Back when this whole drama started, MS had promised us that no partner’s name will be on the door and that we will follow a Trilegal model, and not a family run firm. Every seniorish partner will be handed out sizeable equity, and they will have an equal say. All of that was clearly hogwash.

Unfortunately, the partnership deeds already have a non-compete and a garden leave clause, so backing out is no option. One is left with no option but to suck it up and accept their fate.

I really hope that I commit a blunder on a matter and MS shows me the door so that I can consider joining another firm.

This feelz like being a part of the D company. Can get in but can’t get out.

Sorry RKL. Shouldn’t have questioned your integrity and backed you like most other sensible partners.
Conned 19 Jul 2021, 13:04
Troll
+23 -13
Oh well... you got conned! So naïve of you to believe everything that was spieled to you... good luck now that you flew the nest... cuckoo!
Hypocrite 21 Jul 2021, 06:04
+60 -1
This is an excerpt from Mohit's firm-wide email (which you must have received as well and LI shared it a while back too):
"I wanted to take the opportunity to share my vision for the proposed new Firm which would be a collective of Staff/Counsel/Partners, all with equal respect and regard and their own set of responsibilities towards our collective growth; it would never be a Firm which “I founded” and “allowed” you to join; it would always be a Firm “we” created and nurtured together."

And Mohit calls himself the "sole" "Founding Partner" and the name of the firm itself is ridiculously suggestive of his hypocrisy and narcissism. He's a massive hypocrite. No offence, but you should've seen it coming.
Just 200 26 Aug 2021, 14:44
+11 -0
Commenting to make it 200
Black Cat 27 Aug 2021, 03:48
+5 -0
One more for shagun. So much love.
Guest 27 Aug 2021, 17:41
+3 -3
One more. To make it 202. A palindromic number.
Guest 2 30 Aug 2021, 10:22
+2 -6
Just like the palindromic firm name L&L, now can also be read as LOL. WOW - also palindromic.
Entire teams 19 Jul 2021, 06:15
+10 -7
Many have left with these 3, entire teams are following them. Kian in next few days maybe put up a list of remaining partners and practice areas at both L&L and S&P
What ooo 19 Jul 2021, 07:10
+24 -3
S&P : Singhania and Partners? 😂😂
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 06:22
+1 -3
https://twitter.com/SarafPartners?s=09
Observer 19 Jul 2021, 06:24
+93 -0
Wasn't MS one of the driving force behind the change of name of Luthra & Luthra Law Offices to L&L Partners with the logic being that the name of the law firm should not reflect just one person but should be inclusive of all the Partners and Counsels.

If that be the case then why the current name "Saraf & Partners". Or was it that the previous stance was taken as it was beneficial for MS. If so, how can one trust MS?
Triumph 19 Jul 2021, 06:25
+47 -7
While we wish both sides the best of luck, Legally India should get their facts straight while reporting. First, Mohit Saraf has never been co-founder and it appears to have been a bone of contention. Despite Mohit Saraf asking thr court permission to be called Co-Founder it wasn’t given as he was only known as Senior partner.
Second, Mohit has not won any amount. Atleast not as yet. It was an interim settlement which Rajiv agreed to pay pending final adjudication. This amount will be adjusted against amount which may be awarded. On the contrary if the net amount payable to Mohit is lesser, mohit will have to return the money with interest. Mohit in turn gave up his claim for reinstatement.
Noraldo 19 Jul 2021, 06:56
+20 -14
Are they looking to hire !?
Random 19 Jul 2021, 07:12
+8 -1
Can anyone confirm the names of the other partners joining Saraf & Associates?
And anyone joining the firm below the partner level as A/SA/MA?
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 07:23
+9 -0
Yes. That anyone is Mohit Saraf. Please check with him.
Tandem 19 Jul 2021, 07:23
Troll
+16 -2
Saraf & Partners *
not Saraf & Associates

Anyone would be forgiven for making that mistake
In fact it should tell you something
Alias 19 Jul 2021, 08:21
+15 -1
Being at the level of interns/A/SA/PA, do these things about who owns what equity really a concern? Or am I missing something here? Isn't it the kind of work you get, other than the pay, which should be the real concern?
I mean it is fine till everyone wants to be a part of the discussion but if such a firm offers you a competetive renumeration at these levels, won't you consider joining?
This obviously doesn't apply to people eyeing to join/reach at the Partner level.
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 07:52
+6 -0
You're not wrong, but partnership track at merit-oriented law firms can be as short as 9 years. Where most typical MNCs would make you Sr. Manager, you can become a (salaried) partner at a law firm. So even at the A/SA level, it's helpful to know if the road ahead if conducive for quick growth and entry into a true partnership model
website 19 Jul 2021, 09:53
+4 -0
https://sarafpartners.com/

yeh lo
Site the web 19 Jul 2021, 14:37
+15 -1
Even the disclaimer is a copy paste of llpartners.com disclaimer. Get ready for Luthra-part 2 under a new name.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 07:58
+36 -3
Going by logic of MS, since he is designated as Founder and Managing Partner in the new Firm, would Bikash/ Vaibhav and other Partners joining him be designated as co-founders?
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 08:31
+17 -6
https://twitter.com/sarafmohit?s=09

L&L - Green background for logo and theme.
SarPar or SAP - Orange background for logo and theme.

Am I reading too much in to this?
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 09:15
+1 -2
Interesting logo the P (partners) seems to be falling in a pot. Also many other service firms with similar names
Poppy Lee 19 Jul 2021, 08:33
+52 -7
Congratulations to Bikash and Vaibhav for co-founding Saraf & Partners. Hope the name is changed to reflect your status soon.
Ratio 19 Jul 2021, 08:34
+17 -3
Only 3 Associates for each Partner (Total Strength: 84, Partners: 21)? Did Saraf make everyone Partner to boost the Partner nos. or what?
SAP 19 Jul 2021, 10:01
+7 -1
A lot of their juniors have stayed back...
Lulli 19 Jul 2021, 11:14
+4 -4
4 associates to each partner and some newly promoted partners.
Trueeeee 19 Jul 2021, 13:37
+2 -2
Does that mean they'll hire at lower levels?
Factually 19 Jul 2021, 15:55
+28 -1
As a matter of fact out of these 84, 28 are support staff - not even lawyers. They seems to be projecting as if they have left with 84 lawyers. Additionally many people who were not Partners at the previous firm have now been made partner. As per information about 12-14 partners have left from the Delhi Corporate office and 2 from Litigation. This is against some 23 who had signed a partnership deed with MS, when MS had retired RKL (which had led to RKL terminating MS) - but many have since decided to be with the original Firm.
Double Factually 19 Jul 2021, 18:33
+42 -0
3 of these guys are managing associates. Technically, it is only Jhawar, Kakkar and Gayatri Roy (and say their teams) that are moving. Rest are just behti ganga ji paani. Clearly, the number of partners who chose to stay back far outweigh the number of partners that chose to move. All this noise is just noise. But Saraf being Saraf, this was expected!!!
Oh pls 20 Jul 2021, 04:22
+6 -16
Stop trying to minimise the New law firm. Ppl like Lokesh and Vikrant are well respected partners with their own practice set up over years. Don’t show your ignorance or hatred by calling them behti ganga ka pani.

My advise to you would be to see the luthra website (if they honestly update it) in a few days. The bench strength is depleted beyond belief.
Double Factually 2 21 Jul 2021, 18:45
+24 -8
@Oh pls: It's a simple number count assessment, bro. Delhi L&L office still has over 18 to 20 partners in the corp practice alone (not even counting the PDs and other potential promotees this year like S&P did). Plus Mumbai also has 8 to 10 partners on the corp side. Plus, their partners at Bangalore and Hyderabad. And all these guys are relatively senior partners with over 15 to 20 years of practice, unlike the majority of noob partners at S&P. Get your facts correct before you whine here. If you ever looked at the team profitability ratio, neither BJ nor Kakkar's team were ever on the top. In fact, the whole bunch that has moved with MS were always on the bottom of that list....every partner, PD and MA knows what I'm talking about. All the teams that were always on the top of the food chain constantly hitting over 2 to 3x have decided to stay back.......Karan, Pallavi, Harish, William, Jay, RE team, JP, Shinoj and recently, Navin. Not sure if Kakkar's team without SD's stewardship and Avisha (who chose to stay back) still remains worth all the hullabaloo. Either, you are very naive or simply acting cute with your comment. All the partners that have chosen to stay back are hardworking and competent partners with no drama and political flair. They are not the kinds that would behave like student union leaders. So while MS and Co. has certainly made a lot of noise and attracted a lot of media attention, the reality is that L&L still stands strong with all the good things that matter being retained within it.... I.E. strong profit ratio, legacy, decency, culture (love and booze), respect, humanity and less drama and no stupid ego. For heaven's sake even the associates in the teams that quit refused to leave Luthra.
Kaam h? 22 Jul 2021, 09:38
+9 -14
Assuming you work at L&L and seeing the length of your comment.. kaam h?
Guest 22 Jul 2021, 11:00
+0 -0
Hahaha 😂😂
Double Factually 3 22 Jul 2021, 11:15
+9 -0
Bhai, tu bada kaam karr raha hai....legally india mein comments chaat chaat karr? hyan?
Don’t Worry 20 Jul 2021, 04:32
+9 -12
Don’t worry your salary was being paid at L&L from work of these partners only. Now you have to work to get paid at L&L.
Really? 22 Jul 2021, 06:27
+11 -2
Oh really? Just because you built a large team (courtesy pocketing all the cream work over the years) and manage to do 2x doesn't mean that you feed the firm. Small team or large, you're just doing a multiple on the number of lawyers in your team. So much hubris, for what?
Lolwa 22 Jul 2021, 10:51
+3 -23
“Pocketing the cream” - atleast you are honest that the cream of the work was being done by Bikash, Vaibhav, Vikrant, Gayatri and their teams. And obviously the years of managing the “cream” means all the work has moved to S&P.

And now for some clarity, none of the “cream” came from L. He was the one who was pocketing the cream through the disproportionate equity he controlled.

The “cream” was self generated by the respective teams through regular interaction with clients and through some very very high quality work delivery. So stop being a fool and living in some illusion and make-believe.

L has not generated work for corporate in over a decade. Even the celebrated London / Lux steel company was Sameen and MS.
Pocket mein Rocket 23 Jul 2021, 05:38
+17 -1
What BS! Any concocted facts for publicity? All teams were responsible for the massive profits in the firm which RKL to pay MS his 77 crore bone-us. We all got good bonuses in the last few years which was a factor of our respective team earnings. Don't tell us that this all MS' magnanimity now. What a joker! RKL blindly trusted MS to run the admin for him while he concentrated on client development and relation building and look at how Mohit decided to pay him back. The whole move was in bad faith and the movers are just examples of substance-less narcissism.
Hain kuch bhi 23 Jul 2021, 18:55
+1 -7
All teams? RKL generating work and doing client development. You may make for a good comedian. Try that. Obviously law firm market and work generation is not something you understand. RKL’s friends also don’t give work to the firm.
Really? 23 Jul 2021, 08:26
+4 -1
So these 4 were born with clients na? Keep a cool mind (I know it's very difficult in SLO knowing who's at helm) and read what I have written! Chal, go back to sucking your thumb!
Rocket Singh Returns! 23 Jul 2021, 10:21
+8 -1
Never denied that these guys had decent books too....I was only clarifying your falsely propogated POV of these guys being the only ones slaying it at L&L. And as for 'pocketing the cream', despite MS' every effort to pass on work only to these guys in exchange for their loyalty and larger profit margin from the Mumbai office, others did better with their self-generated work/RKL's equitable distribution of work.
Guest 23 Jul 2021, 18:51
+1 -4
They were not born. But they worked hard to meet people and showcase ability. Unlike some including maybe you who sat in a corner smirking and making unintelligible comments.
Really? 24 Jul 2021, 13:44
+24 -3
Tch tch tch...paisa nahi mila to sulk karoge? MS has given equity no? Khush reh! Or wait, kaam nahi hai tabhi yahaan likh raha hai? Wait wait, kaam hai...wahi jo chura ke liya / chhipaya?? Dusre firm se kiya while you were getting salaries from L&L, right? S&P's latest deal report on LinkedIn actually bears that out - in 3 days you'll originated, serviced and closed a deal? Hahahaha...chori, phir seena zori :)
Bholaaa 19 Jul 2021, 08:38
+10 -0
I think Associates just didn't want to take the risk and move.
Ratio 19 Jul 2021, 11:09
+34 -0
Partners can't even convince their Associates to move, how will they convince their clients?
Optioner 19 Jul 2021, 12:48
+8 -13
Because clients are grown-ups. Kids fresh out of law school are just growing adult sprouts...
Wait and watch 19 Jul 2021, 13:18
+12 -24
Luthra departures are just a beginning. Wait and watch. I think RKL underestimated how many people will leave L&L. Even key partners like Gayatry (IP), Lokesh (Tax), swarup (IBC) have moved. Hearing lots of juniors are moving / have moved and many admin / staff also. The quick replacements RKL is finding are not a patch on those who have left. It’s going to be an uphill task for both L&L and S&P, but clearly the latter has the advantage of cutting edge and hard working lawyers
Mike Ross 19 Jul 2021, 08:48
+11 -2
Bikash Jhawar, Vaibhav Kakkar, Gayatri Roy Vikrant Kumar, Sanjeev Kumar, Rohit Raghavan, Sahil Arora, Abir Dey and Snigdhaneel Satpathy in S&P
Love ya Swine 19 Jul 2021, 10:05
+9 -0
In addition to what you mention, following mentioned on their website:

Vivek Pareek, Abhishek Swaroop, Arjun Rajgopal, Lokoesh Shah, Nipun Vaid, Priyamvada, Rohan Shah, Sanjeev Sharma, Akshay Nagpal, Akshay Jain, Murtaza Zoomkawala,
Mike Ross 19 Jul 2021, 12:48
+5 -0
Saraf and Partners' website?
Patched 19 Jul 2021, 15:58
+7 -5
Surf and Partners? Dho daala!!
PL 19 Jul 2021, 17:53
+26 -2
Suffer the Partners
few observations 19 Jul 2021, 11:19
+3 -5
1. vikrant was batch of 2002 and had been at luthra for 20 + years. Great lawyer and very simple chap. great to work with. an asset to any place he works at.

2. Will some one tell me, why does L&L has 2 websites running at the same time, www.luthra.com and www.llpartners.com ? and why does one of them still show apurva jayant and bharat chugh as partners, when they quit almost a year ago !! Hopefully sabiana and team will have it factually updated

3. with Gayatry Roy (see B&B article) having moved, Luthra has also lost its entire IP Practice. wonder if luthra will reconsider "full service" tag with no capital markets, and no IP practice.
L&L 19 Jul 2021, 12:09
+14 -3
IPR team acquired today :)
Alias class 19 Jul 2021, 15:53
+3 -1
Kaun hai bhai?
Peed 19 Jul 2021, 13:03
+13 -0
Their IP practice wasn't much especially after most left - Ameet and his team and most recently the departure of Nirupam. Lets not forget the media channel fiasco from back in the day and the episode where a senior associate screamed at the partner. Time for L&L to re-establish its IP practice which had hit a major roadblock.
Woah 19 Jul 2021, 12:09
+19 -31
Woah - Sahil has become a partner? Awesome!
Double Woah 19 Jul 2021, 14:01
+10 -26
Deserves it - way ahead of the pack
Wah Modiji Wah 20 Jul 2021, 05:08
+30 -0
I can say this confidently having worked with him and his colleagues (the "pack"?)

Indeed he believes he is "way ahead of the pack"
Woah 20 Jul 2021, 03:45
+7 -27
I don't know why my comment has been tagged as controversial - I legitimately think Sahil is a fantastic professional and was happy for his move up. He will do great!
Get Real 24 Jul 2021, 08:05
+5 -1
Because he isn't a partner yet.
Jobbbbs 19 Jul 2021, 08:51
+6 -0
What does this mean for people who were hired by L&L, do they get an option to shift?
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 10:18
+2 -1
Lol
Bholaaa 19 Jul 2021, 14:36
+1 -1
This is still more than we've heard from L&L in the past few months.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 10:19
+11 -7
Request to Kian: While you work on your placement rankings, please either widen the Big 7 to Big 10 (including Saraf, Indus, S&R and NDA) or create a new category called Next 7, with the top 7 firms not in the Big 7, which obviously includes these 3.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 11:59
+18 -2
Hahaha. S&P anywhere in any rankings is just a joke.
Mike Ross 19 Jul 2021, 16:51
+0 -6
They have published ranking where Partners have been recognised for their practice area
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 14:01
+0 -14
15.1: You just keep quiet. S&P deserves to be in the top 10/top 15 ranking at least. I trust Kian to make a fair ranking of firms when he publishes his placement ranking.
Lol! 21 Jul 2021, 05:51
+5 -0
'Fair assessment'?? Lmao! You must be new here!

And if not, then you're just a regular fan-boi.
Fair 19 Jul 2021, 12:12
+13 -9
Honestly, Luthra hasn't been considered a Tier-1 in the market for some time now. The Big 7 should logically be renamed to Big 6 and the next 5 comprising Luthra, Indus, Saraf, NDA and S&R.
Guest 21 Jul 2021, 03:37
+1 -5
I agree with 15.2. Kian, please clarify if you are including L&L in Big 7. I think categories like Big 6, Next 6 and Emerging 6 make better sense. L&L can come under Next 6.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 10:37
+3 -0
Why censor contact details?
LegallyIndia 19 Jul 2021, 13:12
+7 -0
We tend to avoid publishing email addresses unless necessary, to avoid giving more food to spambots and the like. In this case, they could have stayed but also did not add much to the story, since they were just generic ids of the name of the city and then the rest of the domain (e.g., delhi, mumbai, bengaluru, in case that's too cryptic).
Wohoo 19 Jul 2021, 15:15
+8 -12
Someone give me the HR mail address of Saraf and partners,gotta start applying for internship please besties
Huhhu 19 Jul 2021, 18:00
Troll
+6 -1
[img]https://media4.giphy.com/media/WXur1wrTsbs9q/200.gif[/img]
Ok 20 Jul 2021, 11:28
+3 -2
Iska jawab do, IT Rules ke compliance ka mat do.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 11:24
+14 -5
100 member firm to start with, is not a bad start at all. Lets see what future has stored for both L&L and S&P
Subjective 19 Jul 2021, 11:27
+12 -5
I think having only Saraf's name for the firm is a good move. Lends some brand equity -- while other partners are to be content with only equity!

What is with the "Indian" part. Recalls the curious practice of colonial times, and still carried on in some courts, of mentioning a person's religion along with other antecedents while petitioning the court regarding any grievance (" I, so and so, son of xxx, Hindu, resident of.....").

And why should one state that their focus is on understanding their clients' business objectives. That should be a given these days as law firms everywhere are claiming to do just that.

(And since he has mentioned that his is an Indian firm, the "business objectives" of 9/10 Indian businesses is to "game the system", destroy competitors less through fair competition and more through underhand tactics, gain various advantages by buying influence, etc, etc. Once you have "understood" the objectives, the difficult and interesting part is to lend a helping hand.)

Finally, if that is meant to be a logo of an "S", what is that little thing sticking out? A ramp...to signify rapid ramp up? Sticks out like a sore thumb.
Haha 19 Jul 2021, 12:23
+14 -1
Saffron Partners
RajaRavan 23 Jul 2021, 19:36
+3 -1
Saraf & Poors
AA 19 Jul 2021, 15:05
+2 -4
Are they accepting internship application?
True 19 Jul 2021, 16:37
+9 -32
Start of one of the best law firm of India. Congratulations to all on saraf and partners
Patcha 19 Jul 2021, 17:59
Troll
+18 -0
[img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/L0SaMZxxqMgsAJf69v/200.gif[/img]
Wow 19 Jul 2021, 17:32
+19 -0
That press release has so. many. proofreading and grammatical errors. Why do Indian law firms not hire competent PR teams?
Scooter- 20 Jul 2021, 10:06
+5 -1
PR is less of a problem. What about their agreements ?
LaaShaap 19 Jul 2021, 18:08
Troll Contested
+32 -11
Hear the capital markets team at induslaw is joining saraf & partners?
TruthFool 20 Jul 2021, 01:21
Contested
+23 -1
That is true. So is Yash from CAM and Prashant from SAM. All 3 of them desperate to join MS. S&P will now have a mammoth capital markets team with 3 heads: Manan, Yash and Prashant.
Guest 19 Jul 2021, 19:38
+4 -3
What about satadru? Last I yeard. He was still with Bikash.
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 05:30
+25 -0
What about Dino Morea?

The nation wants to know!!
AamNaam 20 Jul 2021, 08:45
+2 -5
Did Bikash not have 8-9 partners in his vertical? Which ones are staying back?
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 04:15
+55 -2
Keeping aside considerations of how much work both firms may be able to get going ahead for a while. Pretty certain that L&L will have a much improved and positive working culture now. Less partners walking in at 1 pm and making their team have dinner with them on the client's expense and making the team stay in office till 2-3 am. Less partners shouting on support staff as if they are lesser beings. Surf & Partners on the other hand will have 24*7 room service and easily accessible gym at Leela which suits its partners well. They'll even have rooms to book for the times when you don't want Associates to go back home and rather have them sleep for 4 hours next to the office itself. Annual day, after office drinks, retreat sab office mai hi.
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 06:18
+14 -0
So making partners after 7 years of working is officially a thing now for Indian law firms or is this specific to Saraf & Partners, to try and justify the "& partners" bit? Luthra litigation did a similar thing some years back when they started making senior Associates with 3 years of experience. How long before law students are directly hired as partners?
WarIsStillGoingOn 20 Jul 2021, 08:02
+21 -10
[...] The name Saraf and Partners already reflect the future of those partners. If RKL can rebrand his own firm to atleast reflect democracy and can pay so much money to Saraf then imagine the kind of money he has which he will throw in times to come and hire new faces and restructure the firm. Who ever joins him now at senior positions may get a chance to carry on his legacy in future, but in Surf and washing powder, only time will tell how spotless partnerships will remain. Rajiv Luthra is known for treating his colleagues and staff really well and the new ones will hopefully have a bright future in L&L in a few years when the firm holds back its stability - this kind of legacy won't go in vain. Now is the time for young partners looking for a change to join L&L make a place for them as it's the second innings of the firm altogether! All daddy pleasers are out of the firm- grab the opportunity quickly.
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 09:35
+11 -12
So much money was not paid by RKL from his personal bank account. It was L&L’s monies, laboriously collected by MS over last year when he chased up clients for pending bills while RKL attended zoom calls wishing people happy birthdays. And this money was to be used to pay bonus and increments of last year. Which has not happened. RKL has made a mockery of our hard work. As to how well he treats, we have all seen that true form.
If wishes were... 20 Jul 2021, 10:37
+11 -2
How I wish this was true! RKL is a status-quoist. Just a matter of time before he will be left to rue this opportunity presented to him to completely restructure the firm. He is still relying on some of those people who have done nothing but self-serve their interests and maintain hegemony. It is time to wake up and arrest the slide! The few remaining scullers would also jump the boat soon!
Ok 20 Jul 2021, 10:59
+8 -5
Just treating well doesn't get you growth. You have to work hard and for that you have to be tough. Hope that addresses your thinking.
MSM 20 Jul 2021, 09:09
+2 -3
No Manmeet in the list moving to S&P?
MBK Alumni 20 Jul 2021, 14:00
+11 -3
He is going independent and zooming away in his audi away from this petty politics.
Haha 22 Jul 2021, 04:00
+7 -3
Congratulations on your Audi purchase. We really do care, Mannu.
CS 22 Jul 2021, 05:59
+2 -1
Which Audi?
MLK 20 Jul 2021, 09:41
+2 -7
Are they paying at par with other Tier-1s?
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 13:45
+8 -15
L&L pays the lowest among all Tier 1s anyway, so chances are not likely.
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 21:24
+2 -11
As Ex-L&L I know this isn't true. I was at 18.75 as A1 and was set to be at 23 at A2 (appraisals were done) but left for greener pastures.
Guest 20 Jul 2021, 21:42
+8 -11
False. Personally know many A1 and A2s who got 80-90k per month so try harder
Guest 21 Jul 2021, 05:22
+9 -1
In Disputes team, not in Corp etc.
Guest 21 Jul 2021, 05:25
+9 -0
Correct. Lit associates get paid less than a lakh. And if you are not from a top tier NLU, it can be even lower.
Mike Ross 20 Jul 2021, 22:19
+4 -5
What!!!? L&L pays 16 lpa. Jago Grahak Jago
Curiousss 21 Jul 2021, 08:05
+7 -2
If L&L pays 16 Lakhs per year, is it not too high compared to other Tier 1 firms like CAM and SAM? As far as I know CAM and SAM pay 1 lakh a month. Even if we include a bonus of 1 lakh, it is nowhere more than 13 Lakhs.

How come L&L pays 16 and S/CAM pay 13? Toppers of each college still always choose SCAM over L&L. Why is that so? Someone plz throw some light on it .
Killedthecat 22 Jul 2021, 06:04
+9 -0
CAM pays 13.5L + 1.5 = 15L. SAM pays 15L with no bonus.

The Amarchands have historically paid slightly lesser than other firms. Apparently, their brand name makes up for it. Other firms like Trilegal, AZB, Khaitan, L&L - all pay in the 16 range.
Mike Ross 20 Jul 2021, 22:20
+1 -7
Yes
L@W 20 Jul 2021, 18:29
+0 -8
Such varied opinions on salaries. Any idea on how much does L&L pay Associate and Senior Associates?
Mike Ross 20 Jul 2021, 22:21
+2 -7
A0 16lpa
Pauper 21 Jul 2021, 17:04
+1 -0
Pittance in alms
Patty Cake 21 Jul 2021, 04:49
+33 -1
The press release should have simply focussed on the new firm and it's plans. By rambling about the dispute and litigation he just shows how petty he is and how driven by negativity be is. You got chucked out... Get over it and stop whining dude. Time to show your worth. Pray that your merry band of ...ers goes the distance. Remember anyone who spits in their own plate may spit in your plate as well.

Time will tell.
Maleficient 21 Jul 2021, 06:34
+19 -41
With MS starting out strong and with full gusto here’s wishing Bikash and Vaibhav all the best . With these two on board S&P will definitely be ready to take on the corp world .
Tanker 22 Jul 2021, 09:55
+11 -0
Hot air always rises and makes everything that rides with it rise. [img]https://media2.giphy.com/media/gSzySvc84uRqg/200.gif[/img]
Guest 22 Jul 2021, 05:54
Troll
+34 -5
saraf and partners, mr. Saraf sole founder, press release says 21 partners, all co-founders???????
Luthra was founded 89-90, Saraf became a lawyer in 94-95, Saraf joined Luthra after working for a chamber practice for a few months at 7,000 inr PM, A0, calls himself founder of Luthra inspite of the Delhi High Court order, ordering he can't do so, 12 or 14 partners quit on sunday morning, leave same day and join SAP ( some join even before quitting) No notice, no handing over, ethics !!!! integrity??? SAD! Good Luck, really! all at Sh and P need it.
DQ 22 Jul 2021, 10:34
+14 -2
Why has the above been moderated as trollish? The salary he made before joining Luthra has been well-advertised for years.. it is also true that DHC did not permit him to call himself cofounder at LL and he continues to do so... contempt of court may be??
Guest 22 Jul 2021, 17:05
+3 -0
A curious question from an early 20s chap, how much was 7k worth in 94-95? I'm trying to understand in terms of current money. Thanks.
Guest 23 Jul 2021, 04:33
+0 -0
A decent retainer.
Alias 23 Jul 2021, 07:43
+1 -1
Its been 26 years. Doubles every 8 years. 56k.
Inflation 23 Jul 2021, 09:08
+1 -0
At the India inflation rate index 7000 in 1994 will be 42000 in 2021.
Really? 23 Jul 2021, 08:21
+5 -0
Trollish? Sachai kadwi lagti hai??
Guest 23 Jul 2021, 03:22
+13 -2
Only 3 female partners out of a claimed 21 partners. That's 1 female for every 6 male partners. 14% in percentage terms. Only 1 female partner in the Delhi office (presumably the main office) - Gayatri. That's quite abysmal.

What's funny is what S&P's website claims : "We are a [i]diverse and inclusive[/i] organization, respectful of everyone’s personal spaces and beliefs, and geared towards delivering high-quality legal services to our clients and the broader community."

Say that again S&P. What? Did you just copy paste from somewhere for some laughs? Or anything goes?

Would be an interesting exercise for Legally India to determine the gender ratio at the big Indian law firms. Diversity, especially on the gender front, is something that foreign clients pay particular emphasis to these days.
Guest 23 Jul 2021, 09:20
+5 -15
As of now, it's joining S&P by choice. If not more than one female partner has decided to join, how can the firm be blamed for this. If, this ratio continues in future, then, may be, one can point fingers.
Batata Wada 23 Jul 2021, 10:25
+7 -0
You fail to acknowledge that partners from L&L who already knew the partners joining S&P are the ones who have decided to stay away. The Firm is not an abstract entity, it's a collection of the people that comprise it.
Guest 24 Jul 2021, 05:03
+3 -2
True, but joining a firm depends on many factors, one of which may be the attitude of partners in control. Other factors may include future prospects, relationship with the current heads etc. So there is a lot of assumtion to begin with, if every other factors is ruled out in favour of S&P not having good enviornment for women or S&P not keen in having female partnes. That is why, I said, let's give the new firm some time and then decided who is what or what is what.
Guest 23 Jul 2021, 10:31
+17 -0
[quote]If not more than one female partner has decided to join, how can the firm be blamed for this. [/quote]

Given the current lawyers at S&P are exclusively from the Luthra background, not a lot of women partners moving from Luthra to S&P may be says something of how the women perceive that the management of S&P will be like? I know a lot of good women partners who moved out of Luthra when the current management of S&P was in power at Luthra.

Also, the website makes a particular claim. It is a false claim right now if you don't presently have the diversity but are expecting/ hoping that it will be the case in the future
Chaar bottal vodka 23 Jul 2021, 18:45
+3 -14
Gayatri, Priyamvada and Nipun are female lawyers. The ones who remained behind in Corp are Purvi, Pallavi, Priyanka, Avisha, Sumithra and Geeta. A reasonable share (33%) therefore has moved amongst partners. What crap you all talk. Tell the man to stop spreading shit.
Guest 24 Jul 2021, 09:34
+21 -0
Aye. Aare O. Arre bhai. What disingenuous argument is this?! You count the litigation partners in the 20 odd partners constituting S&P, but exclude the litigation partners from calculating the percentage of the women partners who moved from L&L to S&P?!

Kare toh kare kya. Bolein toh bolein kya.

My advice, go a bit light on the chaar bottles of vodka.
Claimer 24 Jul 2021, 06:24
+3 -3
WOW! You picked up just ONE false claim?
Guest 24 Jul 2021, 09:36
+8 -0
The other being that of being a full service law firm?
VKVKVKVK 26 Jul 2021, 08:01
+14 -6
Luthra alum here, even as a man it was evident that some people created an unsafe and exclusionary working environment for women, including but not limited to making sexist comments, leaving them out of decision making, and staring in a manner that would make anyone uncomfortable.
Also Guest 27 Jul 2021, 06:52
+12 -2
Also Luthra alum here: what about the fact that some of those 'some people' have now gone with MS? Denial much?
OG Guest 28 Jul 2021, 08:53
+7 -1
We're literally saying the same thing my brother
Insider now outsider 23 Jul 2021, 10:28
+8 -2
Both firms can be good. L&L certainly has an upper hand though and will grow faster. RKL has amazing contacts - nationally and internationally. Teams that stayed back with L&L is amazing. S&P can turn it around (only) if they focus on getting work.

Anyways, all the best to both the firms.
L@W 25 Jul 2021, 15:47
+3 -0
Just saw a posting in our college GLC for an Associate position here. They seem to be offering 16 LPA.
Any ideas about other positions like PA/MA?
Vivek jha nlu jodh 26 Jul 2021, 16:59
+11 -17
Congratulations and all the best, Vaibhav.
Another 30 Jul 2021, 07:10
+17 -0
Another massive exit happening from Luthra. Very senior chap with 18 years at Luthra, setting up his own firm.

Also when in Luthra updating its two websites to show partners actually on its rolls. It’s been ten days of S&P announced but Luthra is still showing those 20 partners as it’s own partners and projecting inflated bench strength
Surprise 30 Jul 2021, 13:41
+1 -9
Hello Internet Explorer - everyone knows who that very senior member is. Him and 2 more are leaving.

That's all folks!
Bonus 2 Aug 2021, 10:28
+3 -1
I was originally talking of one NLS grad who is quitting with his team and setting up own firm. He is 18 years of practice and homegrown at luthra

But just got news of one more partner quitting luthra
https://www.barandbench.com/news/corporate/ll-partner-akhil-anand-rejoins-shardul-amarchand-mangaldas
Surprise 3 Aug 2021, 14:06
+2 -0
So was I friend. We're both talking about the same person. :)

My point was that his leaving has been out in the open for a couple of months now. He's simply serving his notice.
Guest 1 Aug 2021, 16:51
+4 -1
Can someone give us a hint?
DLS 2 Aug 2021, 10:10
Troll
+5 -1
I'm a securities law expert. Surprisingly, neither of them reached out despite me having led some of the largest insolvency deals.
Luthra Associate 5 Aug 2021, 08:32
+10 -1
When is Luthra rolling out its promotions, bonuses and increments now that the split saga is over? Or will be just another pep talk on sailing, golfing, weather, whiskey, happiness, Ghalib's urination genius and kuch-bhi by the big man?
Guest 5 Aug 2021, 12:06
+2 -0
Apparently increments and arrears incoming this week for litigation at the very least. Could be a flake but hoping it's not
Captain O Captain 9 Aug 2021, 06:27
+6 -8
Are the markets so bad that L&L lawyers are stuck here till doomsday? With the kinds of new hires, this firm is destined to go bust. What is the senior management at L&L smoking/drinking?

Captain 'O' Captain, steerer of ships, storm killer, dancer in the rain, mighty 'O' almighty: What are you doing? We've always wanted to stay back and continue at the firm minus the defectors. You promised growth and joy. I am but a little senior associate at your firm, with no real authority to question your strategic decisions, but now, we are very concerned. Hopefully, you have the counsel of your partners and EC (wait, is there one anymore?) and not just of your newly appointed COO.

Always L&L Family / Toast to the Fam-Jam,
Cheers always!!....twirling the single malt in my glass, sniff and sip....feel good!! Miss the kebabs, though!!
Attention to detail 10 Aug 2021, 16:27
+0 -3
Will some one please tell me why anshuman mozumdar, arjun Rajagopal and sniggdo Satpathy are showing as partners on luthra (llpartners.com) website ? While others have been removed who quit ? Also has piyush not joined luthra ? He doesn’t show up on the website poor fella.

On separate note heard 3 Prather exits from luthra lit.
who? 11 Aug 2021, 03:36
+0 -0
who?
Chup kar na 11 Aug 2021, 05:10
+1 -0
Bhai/behen, give some time - people are still grappling with hundreds of issues - things will fall into place! Oh, by the way, Anshuman is still with the firm, which makes me think that you're an outsider...itna nosy kyun??
Right Back at You 11 Aug 2021, 05:16
+2 -0
Anshuman Mozumdar still continues at luthra.
Hain? 11 Aug 2021, 05:34
+1 -0
Isint Anshuman very much a part of L&L? Or has he also moved on or is in the process of moving in. Please tell.
More 11 Aug 2021, 13:47
Contested
+6 -5
Please be updated that two massive lit partners are quitting luthra. Both home grown and rockstars.
1. Manmeet singh setting his own practice
2. Mumtaj Bhalla joining another law firm
I P 11 Aug 2021, 16:57
+12 -2
Rockstar toh hain... par Dargaah phase wale...
Guest 11 Aug 2021, 17:36
+8 -0
*Mumtaz. Please don't be jaahil
Boom boom 12 Aug 2021, 06:13
+9 -2
Lufthansa kaun sambhalega ab?
Juniors 12 Aug 2021, 17:16
+15 -0
Jo pehle sambhal rahe the. ;)
ELP 21 Aug 2021, 12:18
+1 -2
Mumtaz bhalla joined ELP
Uodate 21 Aug 2021, 21:19
+1 -1
Any promotions announced at luthra annual day ?
OK 22 Aug 2021, 08:51
+4 -1
Yeah it was amazing this time.

Lots of promotions
007 23 Aug 2021, 10:39
+5 -0
But it is top secret and RKL has warned against releasing the list to LI or B&B. The senior partners all assembled at the farmhouse and put up a small theatrical show for the entire firm. It was much better than Cyril's little dance. Then we all had to switch on our videos on zoom and raise our glasses and sing 'hes a jolly good fellow' for the man while Daler Mehndi and Honey Singh beats played in the background. A secret superstar also did some boogie woogie for us followed by a brief yoga session. Surprisingly, no one seems to have uploaded the drama show on YouTube yet.....I wonder why.
How 23 Aug 2021, 13:49
+1 -1
Has L&L started the promotion interviews?
Bhago 24 Aug 2021, 04:23
+3 -2
What promotion interviews? It's only exit interviews at L&L.
DKBose 24 Aug 2021, 12:47
+2 -1
Are there any more exit interviews lined up? I thought the worst was over for L&L. Also, is anyone even conducting exit interviews or is it just a thank-you-for-your-time formality?
008 23 Aug 2021, 17:15
+3 -0
Made SA in 3 years, i am happy
Clever Baboon 24 Aug 2021, 03:55
+1 -0
Not sure if this a deliberate 'dont give a s#!t' attitude or this is simply Mohammad Bin Tughlaq taking over.
Lol 22 Aug 2021, 06:46
+4 -0
Genuinely hope she knows what she's doing. They hardly pay for the volume of work partners have to do.
Heere Moti 23 Aug 2021, 10:43
+9 -6
Oh please, she is a gem of a person. I'm sure she knows what she's doing. So did Damini. Damn! both the Bhalla's gone from L&L. Now only dahi left?
Guest 24 Aug 2021, 05:07
+10 -3
Damini hard working, other hardly working.
Guest 24 Aug 2021, 05:31
+1 -1
Are you asking or telling?
Nimboo Suckers 12 Aug 2021, 08:06
+9 -3
Finally, the big man has announced the holding of L&L’s long-awaited annual day celebration on August 21, where he has promised raining in special announcements related to promotions, awards, and much more (all eagerly curious about the surprises), with the much-awaited increments, bonuses and arrears due being credited to our accounts, before the big day.

Now, what do you cry-babies have to say? I'm looking at you - commentators at 40 and 40.2. Seriously, get a life, before pointing fingers at our management. All good things take time. @All the associates at L&L: have some faith, you guys really need to cut the management some slack after all the fighting that they've been through in the last 9 months.
Haha 12 Aug 2021, 10:45
+2 -3
Perhaps you feel that’s your worth. A lolipop increment after 2 years (that too so that Mohit’s profit in litigation reduces) is enough for you to praise them. Alas, you neither have an option to move, nor would you want to move because junk survives well in LNL. Haha
Peppa Pig Grunt 13 Aug 2021, 06:05
+10 -1
Such a sham of a comment....on one hand, MS pulls out his humiliation cards towards the lit team during the firm-wide call in October last year where he gets its back from RKL and Bobby and here you come out of nowhere claiming that RKL is trying to hold back the lit team from leaving to MS' firm. Let's admit that RKL is honorable in fulfilling his promises. And as far as junk is concerned, all firms have the heavy hitters and the junk. Can't really generalize, can we? Look at Saraf & Partners and tell us if barring a few, the rest aren't junk material there as well.
Guest 13 Aug 2021, 12:38
+4 -1
The increment given by L&L Lit is as high as 30 to 40% in some cases. Also please remember that the targets in L&L Lit are far more reasonable than most places.
Max Hypo 14 Aug 2021, 07:27
+5 -1
Let us get a few things straight about L&L Lit.

- it is widely understood that partnership made as much as the corporate partnership over the last decade. Yet, the salaries were in most cases half of what corp. associates and partners made.

- over the years, many salaried partners made a lot of money for that partnership and did not ask for a share of profits. It was futile asking for it. Yet, when COVID tiggered, they were asked to give up up to 30 per cent of their existing fixed pay, which component was made variable. Same for MAs.

- no two people at the same level make the same retainer. A senior associate may be making the same as an A2.

Ultimately, speaking of these 'mighty' 30-40 per cent increments.. how much is 30 per cent of 65/75K that an associate may have been stuck with since 2019?

There are good people at L&L Lit. who should know they may not just be better paid, but also better treated elsewhere. They should cease this mentality of resigning themselves to fate, and continuing at a place with variable standards.
Hsc 14 Aug 2021, 20:38
+2 -3
It's as high as 90 percent boss
Oh 12 Aug 2021, 13:24
+1 -0
Have the promotion interviews started at Luthra?
SaltyBae 12 Aug 2021, 17:20
+3 -1
Lit side has already released everything. Increments, arrears, clawbacks. And uptil MA's (mostly) there are no deductions this year. So the youngsters get everything, and then some. That's definitely positive.
Haathi ke daat! 12 Aug 2021, 19:58
+8 -13
Absolute utter nonsense! The so called big magnanimous man can't even take care of the dead, forget about the alive ones! Do people know that the big man and his stooges are attempting to deny dues owed to Sundeep Dudeja's family for work done in respect of the previous financial year! Apparently they have been paid nominal token sums as asubstitute for all the bonus sums that are owed for work he put in for the last financial year through out which he was alive and kicking and giving it all. Anyone contesting this, please enlighten us on what dues have been paid to his family! This is after all for someone who spent his entire professional life of 25 years completely dedicated to the well being and growth of the organization and was an executive committee member at the Firm! Shameful, simply shameful!!!!
Magarmach ke Aasoon 13 Aug 2021, 05:58
+10 -0
But none of the counsels who were a part of the miserably failed MS coup were given anything from L&L, no? Maybe MS can shell out some of the dough from his war chest. :) RKL ka paisa sab ka paisa, MS ka paisa sirf MS ka paisa....a tab bit unfair on the face of it, no? Salty bae just confirmed that RKL is paying up all his commitments and RKL seems to have written an email to the entire firm promising all dues to be paid before 21st to the corp teams...then why all this sob story?
L&LWisher 5 Aug 2021, 08:33
+8 -3
Had L&L focused on genuine talent and good lawyers instead of mostly covering up for their homegrown old folks who became partners and thereafter didn't focus on retaining good talent, perhaps this won't have happened. When you had good genuine lawyers at MA/PA level then things can be under control un such situations but unfortunately RKL was always busy pleasing the partners not focusing on the good talent at the mid level leaving L&L.
WhoCares 5 Aug 2021, 08:35
+16 -1
Who cares what happens. I wish the legal market opens up for foreign law firms and all these lala papa firms dominated by one man/family will know their real place and the talent will find its place too. The most democratic firms are Kostya the mid tier firms. All these big tiers firms are nothing but bullshitting their lawyers and partners. Big time slavery culture.
AZN 5 Aug 2021, 15:49
+4 -0
Guess who's joining L&L?
AZB 6 Aug 2021, 03:26
+2 -0
Tell tell...
Batao Batao 6 Aug 2021, 05:25
+2 -2
Who is this/ are these brave person(s)? Kuch hint to do yaar
Prodigal son 6 Aug 2021, 07:36
+3 -3
Manan and team?!?!

Alina and team ??!?!
lol 6 Aug 2021, 11:25
+4 -3
And guess who is also destroying his/her career? L&L hasn't given any hike for the last two years, and even the bonus has been pending. Why will someone is his/her right mind join L&L? Pray tell?
Birdie 9 Aug 2021, 04:28
+1 -0
This?
https://www.barandbench.com/news/corporate/induslaw-avirup-nag-joins-ll-partners
Luthra Associate 6 Aug 2021, 02:39
+2 -0
These dates have been shifting since the last 3 weeks. Would Sabiana know? I know she's reading this. In fact, I know everyone is. The Luthra management which was heavy on hyperbole until the split have now suddenly gone AWOL.
S&P 13 Aug 2021, 06:52
+13 -1
Be wary of a self-serving and insecure CA turned pseudo-lawyer in your camp who is known for giving misleading feedbacks about others. If you can, do not take his counsel. He has, in his scheming ways, attempted to destroy quite a few professional careers. The professional careers of the same people, who after leaving L&L because of his relentless bad-mouthing are now flourishing in other firms. Maintain arms-length from this guy.
Charu Rocks! 10 Sept 2021, 17:28
+3 -0
Has LI pledged not to cover L&L events anymore or has L&L pledged not to pass on stories to LI?
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+1 -1
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