Rajiv Luthra ‘terminates’ Mohit, ‘strips of all authority’ • Mohit ‘retires’ Rajiv, claims to ‘reconstitute firm’ • Split & lit near inevitable [UPDATE-2]

The old Luthra.com website has been offline for weeks now: Who keeps domain name and other assets is likely to be one of several bones of contention in any litigation or break-up
The old Luthra.com website has been offline for weeks now: Who keeps domain name and other assets is likely to be one of several bones of contention in any litigation or break-up

Senior partner Mohit Saraf, who holds a 33.4% equity stake in L&L Partners, has internally announced that managing partner Rajiv Luthra has effectively “retired” and “withdrawn” from L&L Partners and that Saraf would “reconstitute” the firm without him. This latest shot in the war of words follows managing partner Rajiv Luthra’s previously telegraphed announcement that he had unilaterally promoted two salaried partners to equity partner out of his own 66.6% equity stake (albeit without specifying the structure or conditions).

Update-1, 01:50: We understand that Rajiv Luthra responded to Saraf’s email late last night, categorically stating that he has not retired. Luthra called Saraf’s allegations “absolutely false and there is no question of my withdrawing, nor retiring from the firm, which I have set up with my sweat and blood”. See his full email below.

Update-2, 13:04: Rajiv Luthra has just sent out an email internally purporting to terminate Saraf’s role in the partnership, with immediate effect. We have not been able to confirm under which provision of the partnership deed or otherwise the notice has been served on Saraf. See full email below.

In his email sent last night (12 October), Saraf had announced five routine (if delayed) promotions of fee-earners to L&L’s salaried partner level, as we have reported separately.

However, in the same email Saraf also dropped another (alleged) bombshell that Luthra had in January 2020 first served Saraf with a notice to terminate their partnership.

According to Saraf, Luthra had also “unilaterally extended” this termination until 31 October via WhatsApp messages sent in April, May, June and August of 2020.

And Saraf claimed that on 13 September Luthra had “restated his retirement and withdrawal”, with Saraf quoting Luthra’s email in which he had allegedly written that he did not “wish to partake in any future all partners meetings at the moment”.

According to Saraf, Luthra had “request[ed] us to decide by no later than October 12, 2020, whether we would like to continue the partnership and association (as applicable) with Mr. Luthra”.

Saraf then claimed in his email, yesterday: “If Mr Luthra cannot or does not want to continue to work with me, then the only option left with him is to retire.”

Saraf announced in his email that he was therefore proceeding with “reconstitution” of firm, after Luthra’s purported withdrawal-cum-retirement that had made Saraf the sole “surviving partner”.

This would entitle Saraf to all goodwill, assets, employees, clients and fee-earner retainers of the firm, he claimed, and that he had therefore decided to “reconstitute the Delhi firm” by “inducting the salaried partners in the corporate practice of the Firm as equity partners of the Delhi Firm”.

Neither Saraf nor Luthra responded to requests for comments, though it does not seem far-fetched that if Luthra did comment, he would disagree with at least some of Saraf’s assertions.

And perhaps Luthra contesting the assertions is in fact Saraf’s gameplan, hoping for an end to the stalemate one way or another, before partners, clients (and maybe even Legally India readers) decide to get bored of the dispute and move on.

Constitution of reconstitution

Saraf noted in his email that the equity for the new partners would come from 67% of the current equity; while not entirely clear, that is presumably referring to Rajiv Luthra’s chunk, though Saraf “clarified” that he would not “realise any amounts from any un-distributed percentage interest (if applicable)“.

An equity system would be rolled out by the end of March 2021, in addition to a democratic-decision making structure at the firm, promised the senior partner.

According to Saraf, somewhat cryptically, in this “locked step equity model, the percentage interest of a new partner shall be computed based on his/her performance”. While this seems like more of a blend of eat-what-you-kill and lockstep, Saraf also added: “The percentage interest of the equity partners shall be reset pursuant to implementation of a locked step equity model and the firm shall issue additional percentage interest to the new partners from time to time from the undistributed percentage interest.”

The Mumbai partnership - which had been started by Luthra and Saraf in 2003 as a “partnership at will” three years after their Delhi partnership - had already been dissolved as of 6 June 2020 due to Luthra’s purported notices of termination, claimed Saraf, having only “unfortunately discovered” this “on a belated basis”.

As the Mumbai partnership firm stood “dissolved” from 6 June, Saraf said that the Mumbai office that had been a separate partnership would be administered through the Delhi partnership, assuring the “Mumbai team they have nothing to worry about”.

The Delhi partnership could not be unilaterally dissolved by Luthra, although Luthra did have the right to retire or withdraw, according to Saraf.

Saraf alleges Luthra prejudiced firm

To buttress his case, Saraf also alleged that Luthra had “committed some serious material breaches” prejudicial to the firm, “coupled with the withdrawal by and retirement of Mr. Luthra from the firm”, including:

  • the (now infamous) Zoom town hall, which Saraf claimed had an “adverse impact on the reputation” of the firm.
  • Luthra allegedly refusing to give control to the firm over its domain name (the firm’s website, incidentally, has appeared to be offline for several weeks now - see screenshot above). Clarification 14 October: The firm’s new domain name is at llpartners.com rather than luthra.com (though its primary email address remains the latter).
  • Luthra allegedly refusing to hand over “retainership agreement etc which are wrongfully in his possession”, according to Saraf.
  • Luthra allegedly delaying decisions over bonus payments and promotions, both of which had now concluded according to Saraf,
  • having asked “some of the oldest serving and most profitable partners in the Firm to leave”.
  • Luthra’s unilateral promotions with Saraf’s consent were illegal and had “demotivated” other lawyers in the firm.

Many of Saraf’s as well as Luthra’s emails over the past few weeks can be read as internal communications to lobby the wider partnership of the firm to pick sides.

But Saraf’s latest email is the clearest indication yet of Saraf preparing the ground for what now seems like an inevitable court case.

Next step: Litigation-cum-mediation?

Both Luthra and Saraf did not respond to messages seeking comment but judging by all the previous correspondence and salvos fired between the parties, it seems unlikely that Luthra will agree to Saraf’s assertion without protest.

It is possible that Rajiv Luthra’s move to announce two equity promotions out of his own stake and Saraf’s latest counter claiming Luthra’s self-ouster from the partnership, are clear signals of the intent of each effectively intending to start / continue separate firms without the other.

Even so, both are unlikely to come to a straightforward amicable agreement about some how the hairier issues, such as how to divide the L&L-cum-Luthra & Luthra brand name, how to split up partners and fee-earners, client accounts and other assets of the firm.

And Saraf’s now stated intent to proceed on the basis of Luthra having retired from the partnership, may leave the latter few options.

The odds of the dispute between the two parties to the 1999 partnership deed eventually ending up in court, have therefore only increased since our initial reports in late September:

However, judges have historically often been loathe to interfere in law firm partnership battles between senior lawyers (exhibit 1: Shroff vs Shroff).

On top of that, the 1999 partnership deed itself does not appear offer much in the way of clarity as to what will happen in the case of such intractable differences.

If the dispute hits the courts, it therefore seems a distinct possibility that the court may first order both parties to settle their beef via mediation.

Whenever litigation does start it is therefore anyone’s guess how smoothly, if at all, some of the fundamental differences between Luthra and Saraf can be ironed out.

In any case, the longer this dispute and uncertainty remains, the less there may be left worth fighting for.

We understand from sources with knowledge of the dispute that both sides have had several senior counsel blocked and on standby for a while now.

Update-1: Luthra’s full response to Saraf

Update 13 October, 01:50: Luthra’s full email response to Saraf stated:

My dear All,

I am writing this message, because I have received plenty of calls and messages from many of you, expressing concern at a misguided and illegal email sent by Mohit about my so-called retirement.

The differences I have been having with Mohit Saraf are now known to all of you. I was hoping he would behave in a mature and professional manner, but my hopes are in vain. I am not going to bother all of you with a detailed rebuttal of the false and baseless allegations made by Mohit to disrupt the smooth functioning of the Firm, however, I would like to assure all of you, that all the allegations made by Mohit are absolutely false and that there is no question of my withdrawing, nor retiring from the Firm, which I have set up with my sweat and blood.

Everything I have done in the last few months, including, but not limited to, diluting my equity, inducting new partners, proposing promotions, (all of which I have kept you all in the loop), speaks by itself, of my intentions to making our Firm inclusive.

Apropos the promotions, I had confirmed Partners’ recommendations and sought confirmation from the Corporate Partners on Thursday, October 8, 2020, and had informed them that I intend to make the promotion announcements today. Additionally, on Saturday, October 10, 2020, I had informed the Corporate Partners group about the induction of two equity partners - Mr. Aniket Sengupta and Mr. Harish Kumar…

…attached is the list of all the promotees…many congratulations to all of you - this promotion is entirely well deserved for each one of you, endorsed by each one of your partners, as well. Please also join me in congratulating Aniket Sengupta and Harish and welcoming them on board.

I continue to remain committed to taking our Firm to greater heights.

…stay home and stay safe!

Warmly always,

Rajiv

Update-2: Luthra’s email terminating Saraf

Update 13 October, 13:04: Things are happening rather fast though at the same time, not much substantive seems to be happening at all other than the exchange of emails.

Rajiv Luthra has responded to Saraf (and the entire firm) yet again, counter-accusing Saraf of a number of things (as before). In this email, he claims that he had been left with “no option but to terminate Mr. Saraf’s partnership, which was done earlier this morning”, adding: “Mr. Saraf is now stripped of all authority and standing, and has no authority to instruct you or otherwise to act on behalf of the Firm. No one should fall into the trap of accepting any non-existent equity, which he wants to offer to anyone, and further complicate matters.”

We have reached out to Saraf and Luthra for comment, as usual. But, much as above in the reverse situation, if Saraf did comment, we would expect him to contest Luthra’s email and deny his termination (Saraf had in fact stated in his earlier email that he believed Luthra did not have the power under the deed to unilaterally remove him).

Luthra’s full email below:

Dear Friends,

All of you must have seen the e-mail sent by Mr. Mohit Saraf last evening and I assume it must have caused you a lot of confusion and concern…

…the behavior and attitude exhibited by Mr. Saraf is a source of pain for me, and yet, inevitably a source of new clarity and resolve.

All of you are intelligent people and I don’t need to waste your, and my time, explaining the ludicrousness and lack of legal sanctity of the content, and intent, of Mr. Saraf’s e-mail/notice – hoisting on me an imaginary retirement/withdrawal from the Firm.

Blinded by his unbridled desire to see me out of the Firm and propelled by an all consuming ambition (on top of his utter reluctance to dilute any part of his equity holding) what other option did he have, other than to come up with such a clumsy strategy?

Over the last many months, Mr. Saraf indulged in many acts and deeds that constitute material breach of the terms of the Partnership Deed and are gravely prejudicial to the interest of the Firm, and in complete bad faith. The e-mail/notice sent yesterday is the proverbial last nail in the coffin – leaving me no option but to terminate Mr. Saraf’s partnership, which was done earlier this morning.

Mr. Saraf is now stripped of all authority and standing, and has no authority to instruct you or otherwise to act on behalf of the Firm. No one should fall into the trap of accepting any non-existent equity, which he wants to offer to anyone, and further complicate matters.

Amidst all this, the biggest responsibility on all of us is to keep serving the clients with continued vitality and commitment. Let us please make sure that all ongoing work continues as routine. We have a control and command structure in place and that shall continue to be followed.

All teams are still intact and associates at all level must take guidance from their respective partners, as to the partners, I am available, in case of any issues / clarifications, 24/7. Please feel free to call me at any time.

All payments will be released on stipulated time and all commitment shall be met.

This is just a brief message, primarily to do away with any apprehension in your minds as to the continuity of our functions and of the Firm. I shall talk to all of you very soon, and we shall continue our journey and add more glory to it.

Warmly, as ever,

Rajiv

Comments

Dignity 13 Oct 2020, 02:57
+60 -2
How sad for the people who work at L&L. They must be feeling let down by this bickering. They deserve better.
Balance 13 Oct 2020, 04:25
+18 -0
It's more like they were more or less reconciled to the status quo. At least the non-partner level where one was years away from being bothered about equity. RKL and MS were a perfect counterbalance for each other. Imagine a split now. That MS is a difficult person to deal with [...] is largely accepted. It is also accepted that RKL has largely kept away from day to day functioning or hard core legal work. Now try picking sides, between a difficult [...] person versus a person who is unlikely to be hands-on and is likely to appoint somebody in-charge who's either full of himself or difficult to deal with or both.
Silver Jubilee 13 Oct 2020, 04:19
+31 -3
If MS claims that the Firm was set up in 1999 and is independent of the proprietorship run by RKL since 1990, does he also admit to being party to lying to clients about the firm having completed 25 years as far back as in 2015, to get more business on the back of X number of years? Kian can dig out the old LI story on this where dhoom dhadka was made about 25 yrs and Singapore cruise offsite. Thay 25 yrs thing was also part of the signature block in emails which went out during that time.
Law basics 13 Oct 2020, 19:49
+1 -0
There is also a possibility the partnership could have started way back in 1990 and they recorded the terms of the partnership in 1999 or that the 1999 partnership deed is an amended and restated one. Elementary, my dear Watson.
ff 13 Oct 2020, 20:22
+4 -0
Idiot you are Watson. Mohit was not even in college in 1990. Find out dear Watson when he enrolled
Bruh 16 Oct 2020, 21:44
+1 -0
Dunno about passing out but definitely had nothing to do w L&L in 1990 can confirm.
Anon @L&L 14 Oct 2020, 12:06
+5 -1
How long can Rajiv & Co harp about who founded the Firm or when it was founded. This is like banging utensils to deal with Corona! Get to real issues....
Reckled 14 Oct 2020, 17:09
+7 -1
Well till the time it sinks inti that guys head that it's RAJIVS firm. He was inducted into it by Rajiv. Thanks to Rajiv, that scooter turned into a 7 series abd that cigarette turned into a cigar. What Rajiv giveth, Rajiv can taketh away. Shame on him for creating this mess.
Right 13 Oct 2020, 04:23
+55 -1
Amusing to outsiders no doubt, but sitting at home wondering whether your employer even exists anymore is truly a blow to morale, further exacerbated by the general gloom and doom outside. This is the firm spitting in the face of those who are faithful to the firm and expect professionalism in the way things are run.
Bang on 13 Oct 2020, 04:37
+26 -1
Cant agree more!! Its a disaster for firm's members and more this uncertainty continues, they will continue shooting in their foot. Rajiv and Mohit worked so hard to build a clientele and a reasonably large/reputed firm and now sinking their ship with their own acts. Wonder where does all the business acumen vanish!! This will cause the organisation irreparable damage. They are no Shroffs and will not be able to pull what the two Amarchands could despite an ugly parting.
Why not 13 Oct 2020, 05:06
+5 -8
In fact, the Amarchand divorce is an example of how top law firms can have an acrimonious split that doesn’t lose value. In 5 years, they’re worth way more than they were independently.
Serial 13 Oct 2020, 07:59
+26 -0
If anyone from L&L is looking to move, please contact the HR at CAM.
KCO 13 Oct 2020, 14:07
+3 -4
KCO aa jao.. we are looking to expand in numbers!
Realist 13 Oct 2020, 09:53
+16 -4
In the case of the AMSS split, there were people with class on both sides. [...] Shame on the other guy for making this into a war which will end up costing the firm its repute, its talent and its standing.

RKL should actually sue MS for damages caused because of his war mongering. As a matter of fact the CSS group should sue him as well for loss of goodwill and repute. Its time this guy is shown his place. [...]

Kian- dont moderate- please publish as is. The public needs to know who is the real trouble maker (are the real trouble makers here).
SueSue 13 Oct 2020, 10:39
+2 -0
Well said! Completely agree. This has been a typical "If I can't/ won't get it, I will break it for all." All he has said about RKL has been derogatory and in really bad taste. There was absolutely no cause for getting personal in front of the entire Firm. He could have easily conveyed it without the derogatory remarks and allegations.

Or is this the 'quality' of litigation advice that he's been getting from outside? So much for questioning the quality of the 1st floor.

He should remember - what goes around, comes around. Tomorrow, the same thing could happen to him also, now that such tactics have been declared as rightous by him..
Bubloo 13 Oct 2020, 18:25
+2 -0
What is css?
Devil 13 Oct 2020, 15:49
+3 -0
That was a planned strategy on advice of Bain and Mckinsey..... split and acquire 2 spot positions in 1-10 rather than one spot in 1-10
Powercut 13 Oct 2020, 04:41
+4 -1
Way too much is happening. Can anyone explain the entire fiasco in short?
Adanico 13 Oct 2020, 06:26
+99 -1
Big men big ego boom boom
Nice 13 Oct 2020, 04:43
+4 -1
Nice
Ok 13 Oct 2020, 05:10
+3 -0
RKL's reaction after reading MS' mail:

[img]https://www.legallyindia.com/images/uploads/20210120-105523.jpg[/img]
Seriously ? 13 Oct 2020, 05:50
+11 -1
What is this kiddish attitude by these 'stalwarts' of the legal community?! Their ego is way too big to even look at the mess they have made out of the career of 300+ people.
The least they could have done is sit in a room and discussed till a consensus was arrived at. How professional it is for mr. Saraf to go ahead and declare everywhere that rkl is retiring while rkl is Not?!
Extremely reckless thing to do when there is literally no job market for freshers especially and lateral one is also no walk in the park
Jobs milegi? 13 Oct 2020, 06:22
+22 -1
All I care about is wheter this will lead to more hiring if there's a split
Nahi 13 Oct 2020, 07:08
+9 -4
It would have led to more hiring if they were able to present a picture to their clients that they will be a stronger force, if they worked independently of each other (like the Shroffs did). But in this case, the clients would in all probability slowly move to other law firms which offer just more "stability" in addition to sound legal advise.
What about 13 Oct 2020, 07:27
+6 -1
What about the people they have already hired?
Some have joined on a need basis but the rest of us are still waiting to join the firm from the batch of 2020. What does all of this mean for us?
Insider 13 Oct 2020, 08:27
+5 -7
You guys and those joining in 2021 are safe.
Bruh 16 Oct 2020, 21:48
+0 -0
Won't this also lead to existing fee-earners and partners leaving?? They'll need people eventually
JJCool 13 Oct 2020, 06:29
+27 -0
Good Lord, can someone please take their devices away. Feel so so sorry for the Luthra fee earners.
Haila!!! 13 Oct 2020, 06:43
+3 -0
Only one comment till now?? Maine comments ki tsunami expect ki thi!!!
Guest 13 Oct 2020, 06:50
+4 -5
Kian, you should now revise the Big 7 firms list in LI recruitment rankings to Big 6.
Bigly 13 Oct 2020, 07:49
+3 -1
Watch him pre-empt and make it a Big 8 to accommodate both post-split firms
Guest 13 Oct 2020, 07:01
+4 -5
Shameless Bar & Bench is not only stealing stories from LI, but they are even using the tag "Exclusive".
Listen to me, I say 13 Oct 2020, 07:49
+26 -3
Hello all - Hello, Hello, Hello!!! Can I have your attention please?

Dear Daddy/Mummies; Daada/Daadis; Pardada/Pardadis; Chacha/Chachis; Maama/Maamis; Beta/Betis; Bhaiya/Didis; Mausa/Mausis; Jet/Jethanis; Devar/Devaranis; Saas/Sasurs; Sala/Saalis; Bhatija/Bhatijis; Bhanja/Bhanjis; Pota/Pothis; Taus; Buas; and of course Phufa/Phufis; - I have NOTHING to say in this matter. Thank you for your attention.
gaanadotcom 13 Oct 2020, 08:42
+2 -0
Heard this really nice song today:

Nana naanaa
Nana naanaa
Hey hey hey.....
Goodbye.
MANGLURBAJJI 13 Oct 2020, 09:13
+4 -0
GOLMAAL GOLMAAL EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE GOLMAAL

ONLY PERSON WHO CAN TRULY EXPOSE WHATS HAPPENING HERE IS ARNOOB AND TEAM AT REPUBLIC

EXPLOSIVE, SENSATIONAL!
Randomiser 13 Oct 2020, 18:04
+1 -0
They are recruiting for legal reporters now, waise
L&L Insider 13 Oct 2020, 09:19
+51 -1
I've heard that the big man seized the 9th floor office with gun wielding bouncers to prevent the little one from accessing the space, documents, accounts, anything. Sounds like a tin-pot-little-african-country to me.
A-0 13 Oct 2020, 14:17
+10 -1
Please someone also block MS' email id.
Darkwood 14 Oct 2020, 14:24
+2 -2
His name is already removed from the website.
Fairwood 14 Oct 2020, 15:32
+1 -0
So, how on earth is he servicing clients?
Whatsapp Admissible? 13 Oct 2020, 09:25
+25 -1
Chalo atleast this is clear now that even equity at the partner level at tier one law firms rests on "sir usne mere ko whatsapp bheja tha" type of arguments.

Won't Question the admissibility of whatsapp ever again. Saraf uncle FTW
Kapish 13 Oct 2020, 09:32
+21 -1
Folks at other law firms. Please use this comment to respond with openings at your firms.

Thank you.
Old timer 13 Oct 2020, 09:41
+7 -0
Seriously!!? My kids fight with lot more dignity than these two. Kuch to sharam karo. Luthra folks..start applying to other firms soon nahi to kuch nahi milega.
Source source 13 Oct 2020, 10:15
+6 -1
How is that LI has Rajiv Luthra's email and has published it, but not Mohit Saraf's? Any right thinking person will know where the leaks started from and where they are continuing from.
Mediator 13 Oct 2020, 19:56
+1 -0
Coin toss karo and khatam karo.
Bruh 16 Oct 2020, 21:50
+0 -0
Wondered exactly the same thing
Humble request 13 Oct 2020, 10:31
+27 -3
Humble request to both RKL and MS. Pls appoint a mediator and resolve this offline. This daily exchange of emails- which you may believe are upping the ante - is ONLY Going to professional damage the collective credibility and goodwill and deeply impact the morale of all employees /retainers.

You both are capable of working this out maturely - Pls take a step back and see the big picture.
Guess 13 Oct 2020, 10:45
+10 -0
They (read: 'he') KNOWS that emails will be leaked, and also the impact it will have. Not matter how many times you write 'confidential' on an email, you know it will be leaked, which basically means that you are deliberately issuing emails with all sorts of dirt. It appears to be a planned strategy and doesn't really take into account the impact on the morale of the employees, most importantly the youngsters.

My take: emails are issued with the intention of being leaked. Bache nahi hain yahan pe - sabko pata hai kis action ka kya repurcussion ho sakta hai.
Tuesdon 13 Oct 2020, 11:11
+19 -1
Um. I think if Mohit is as good as he thinks he is, he should just take the payout from Rajeev and set up Saraf and Co. He probably knows hardly anybody will touch him, so he hangs on here and claims that the L&L name should go to him. His name doesnt even have an L in it!
[...] how all over the place he has been in interpreting a simple deed which allows only Rajeev to terminate "and no other". Still if Rajeev is tough to stand up to, then have some self respect and leave. Lets see if you have what it takes.
Monthly payment 13 Oct 2020, 11:29
+6 -0
So, will RKL/ MS get paid for the whole of this month the amount they're usually paid each month (if anything)? Who takes this decision? Mr. Bhasin (CFO) pls solve this mystery.
Mr. Bhasin 13 Oct 2020, 12:09
+12 -0
What
Gareeb Associate 13 Oct 2020, 12:10
+6 -0
Will I get my paycheck on November 1st? Right now thats all I care about. Mr. Bhasin, please focus on this.
Mr.Bhasin 13 Oct 2020, 12:19
+19 -0
What?
Astrologer 13 Oct 2020, 12:37
+35 -1
So, Rajiv has decided to escalate things. If he is the one who controls the IT infrastructure and has already taken possession of the premises, this means that Mohit will have to go to court to seek interim relief.

The court is likely to grant interim relief and appoint mediators to resolve disputes. Now if I was a Bollywood script writer, I would say, Shardul and Cyril would be the mediators and in the midst of resolving the Luthra separation, Shardul and Cyril would discover bhaichara and join forces once again. But thats not happening.

What is likely to happen though is that Mohit will join CAM as Managing Partner of CAM's Delhi office - which by the way is moving to a new location!!
Reply to guest 13 Oct 2020, 15:24
+0 -0
Where? Please share new location.
Bandit King 13 Oct 2020, 15:41
+1 -1
Cyril knows better. Sorry...no sale minion!!
Gunja 13 Oct 2020, 17:04
+22 -7
Cyril may not allow him to join CAM.. Imagine what a man who can claim L&L without even having a L in his name would do when he has a similar sounding surname (S(h)roff)..
etymologist 13 Oct 2020, 18:14
+24 -2
The surname 'Shroff' is [i]actually[/i] derived from the word 'saraf'.
L&L Insider 13 Oct 2020, 20:04
+6 -0
Making RKL type jokes at this stage
ff 13 Oct 2020, 20:37
+1 -0
or even imagine a guy who never paid a penny for his equity share given to him by the big man
Lol 13 Oct 2020, 17:41
+11 -0
May we imagine a hypothetical situation- Cyril hires him. After few years, he tells Cyril that it's his firm.. :P
Equity Partner 13 Oct 2020, 12:43
+13 -1
Luthra is better than Herbert Smith Freehills
Wut 13 Oct 2020, 14:19
+1 -0
Could someone explain why?
seeker 13 Oct 2020, 13:10
+1 -0
Time to move in-house?
New joinees 13 Oct 2020, 13:24
+0 -3
Anyone from L&L could you please onboard the batch of 2020 joinees on time? Give us our office locations at least.

Will our offer letters be honoured? Will people opting for the Mumbai office be given the same?

Any clarity by L&L would take a huge load off of us
New joinees 13 Oct 2020, 13:28
+0 -2
What will happen to the joinees from the batch of 2020 who are meant to join the firm
Old Lawyer 13 Oct 2020, 13:37
+0 -3
Ok.. so there is a type in that e-mail.. where big man says the Firm "which I have set up with my sweat and blood.".

It should actually read "which I have set up with my [...] on the one hand and the sweat and blood of .. err.. Kitne the aaj tak neeche!?!"..

[...]
We want to know 13 Oct 2020, 13:48
+2 -1
How is it that all emails from Rajiv Luthra are on LI, but not the ones from Mohit Saraf? Who is benefitting from the leak?? LI sure is, but it more than just news???? LI please answer and don't kill this simple comment.
Joinees 13 Oct 2020, 14:16
+0 -3
What will happen to the batch of 2020 joinees?
Devil 13 Oct 2020, 15:51
+3 -0
And these people “Advise” businesses. And portray themselves as trusted legal advisors... such an Irony...
Samco 13 Oct 2020, 15:51
+6 -1
I just wish similar things happens with Hildul uncle
outsa 13 Oct 2020, 20:07
+0 -1
sad it will be the okhlagate
James Bond 007 13 Oct 2020, 23:37
+9 -0
Did these guys never think of retirement? Post amassing tens of crores, why can't they buy a farm house and retire – spend the rest of their lives in sukoon? Is this ambition? Or are these guys too passionate about lawyering?
Bigly 14 Oct 2020, 06:43
+0 -0
Their lifestyle can surprisingly drain even tens of crores very easily
Greeder 14 Oct 2020, 17:10
+4 -0
They have farm houses and more. Problem is that one guy is big enough to not want more while the other wants it all
Bhai url toh check kar 14 Oct 2020, 09:05
+2 -2
Kian, maybe the reason the L&L website isn't working is because you have the wrong URL? try this one: https://www.llpartners.com/

But good try trying to make a downed website look like a symptom of the problem.
kianganz 14 Oct 2020, 09:50
+8 -1
Interesting, thanks for sharing and point taken - we weren't aware that they had a new domain... We will update the article in any case... Do you know when the website was started on the new domain?

Notwithstanding the above:

1. The firm's emails still all appear to be from luthra.com, making it appear as the more authoritative domain of the two.
2. At the very least, the old luthra.com website should indicate that the site has moved to a new domain, surely?
Bhaiii 14 Oct 2020, 10:49
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This website has been updated to remove MS.
Yoda 14 Oct 2020, 11:37
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Right you are.

Assuming for once that MS takes this lying down and agrees to exit, what is RKL's plan to manage the corporate practice from a day to day operational perspective? Who steps in to MS's shoes? [...] So does RKL plan to make a lateral senior level hire, like what SAM did with Mumbai/ Akshay Chudasama? That seems like a difficult path - hard to attract new senior talent when you end relations with your previous number 2 on a bad note. I am really curious on how does MS get replaced?
Address 14 Oct 2020, 13:58
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The graphics are insane for each of the practice areas!!!
Concerned 14 Oct 2020, 18:24
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What happens to PPOs offered to NLU students?
Abee saale 14 Oct 2020, 19:35
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Oh god can you NOT include ‘NLU’s after every other instance? PPOs are offered to non NLU schools as well FFS
Concerned 15 Oct 2020, 06:01
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No they aren't. And even if they are, they are exceptions rather than the norm. Please do your research
Guest 15 Oct 2020, 06:33
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Not really. Non-NLU students who secure internships stand as much a chance of getting a PPO in several firms like Trilegal, JSA, SAM etc. Overall they get less internships and PPOs compared to NLU students though, but not as an exception.
PA 15 Oct 2020, 09:18
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Lol. I don't know what authority you are citing. Having worked at two Tier 1 firms and being recently promoted to PA in one, I can personally attest that NLU students get far more PPOs than non NLU ones. It is exceptional, and don't tell anyone otherwise. Am inclined to agree with @concerned
Guest 15 Oct 2020, 09:33
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Wow, talk about brazenly being proud of discriminating practices! No wonder Indian law firms are considered marshes of toxicity.
Guest 14 Oct 2020, 19:30
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A twitter thread is alleging that a tier 1 firm makes non-NLU interns sit on one floor and NLU interns on another.

https://twitter.com/BhawnaGandhi_/status/1315671150387585025
Sheer baselss 15 Oct 2020, 02:37
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If it's talking about L&L (assuming because you have posted this on L&L- related thread), having worked there as an associate I can assure that the tweet is a blatant lie.

Separation of floors could be because there are two floors (one each for corporate and litigation). On the floor where corporate practice runs, there is definitely a combination of NLU and non-NLU interns. I had interns allotted from Amity, Jamia, Symbi etc. And all of them sit on the same floor, altogether in the same interns' room.

The floor division is merely out of practise demarcation. And mind you, if an NLU-student interns with the litigation team, she will sit at the floor where the litigation practise runs, along with every other co-intern.

On a separate note, if any law firm or company chooses to recruit from any specific college(s), it's fine and is a universally practiced area. There are consultancy firms who recruit only/mostly from top 5 B-schools (Harvard, INSEAD, Said (Oxford) etc. In India, MacKinsey recruits only from NLSIU. There are MBA vacancies which explicitly mention that the roles are open only for IIM- A, B, C and ISB grads. Similarly, even salary demarcation on the basis of college is a universal practise.

So, let's not be finicky about everything.

Even if you are from a lesser known college, you may get admission in a lesser known law firm but with time you can definitely switch to tier 1 firms.
Guest 15 Oct 2020, 05:11
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Salary demarcation on the basis of college is not a 'universal practice', and even in the places where it is in vogue, it is transparent and made clear during the offer stage. Just because discrimination is practiced elsewhere, there is no reason why it cannot be called out here. The associates are made to do the same work. If you don't think someone is working as well as another, then that gets reflected in the bonus, or if someone is not good enough, just let the person go. What Luthra does is distasteful. Just like what it is doing over the past few weeks.
Sheer baselss 15 Oct 2020, 05:48
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Hey, that's how it goes everywhere in India. Don't just call out one single firm. Even for B-schools, for similar roles, the salary differs as per the college. Even similar firms have pay parity as per the college.
Guest 15 Oct 2020, 06:05
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That's just not true. I have worked for at least three tier one firms in India. Only at Luthra was this being practised. Other firms might not be hiring from all colleges regularly, but once they do, people are paid the same. There is some city-based pay disparity, but that's based on difference in standard of living.
No worries 15 Oct 2020, 06:36
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Ignore that, buddy. It's obvious that the tweet was from a non-NLU student. The inability to comprehend a basic fact like why people sit on different floors in itself shows why they are paid less or not hired.
Hehe 15 Oct 2020, 07:37
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MacKinsey. LOL.
Sheer baseless 15 Oct 2020, 08:48
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That was a typo. Intended that to be McKinsey. There are more typos. Didn't proof-read and kept typing in a go. But please get the gist rather than pointing out the unintended.
Guest 15 Oct 2020, 08:50
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There are trolls here to whom there's no difference between McDonald's and McKinsey.
outsa 15 Oct 2020, 14:10
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yes macdonald has a larger global impact- such that 2 countries with a macd have never fought a war. it is a cultural icon and employs millions. it is a huggee part of contemporary finance and culture. it is not a sweatshoppy overrated bridge between jobs like mckinsey.
Not from an NLU 16 Oct 2020, 21:57
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Luthra only pays its interns from top 3 NLU's which is shitty considering how hard I/other people I know worked.
Not from an NLU 16 Oct 2020, 21:56
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Not true, sat on the 9th floor w the rest of my 'NLU' buddies :)
babu bhai 15 Oct 2020, 16:48
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what is CSS?
100 comments 21 Oct 2020, 21:01
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stripping? hehehe