Saraf warned Luthra corp profits might drop from Rs 43 cr post Covid, Arcelor + loss of Rs 42 cr partner books

From a WhatsApp conversation annexed to the court pleadings in the dispute between the two equity partners
From a WhatsApp conversation annexed to the court pleadings in the dispute between the two equity partners

The turnover at L&L Partners’ corporate partnership (excluding the separate litigation and other partnerships) had increased by 12% between the 2018-19 and the 2019-20 financial years, revealed court filings by senior partner Mohit Saraf in the Delhi high court dispute with managing partner Rajiv Luthra.

However, not all was necessarily rosy from a financial side, as Saraf predicted a Rs 20 crore financial hole due to the end of a large mandate, and the loss of Rs 34 crores of billings due to partner exits (read on for more information).

The pleadings, a softcopy of which we have seen after they have begun circulating in wider legal circles outside the firm, include more than 700 pages of annexed discussions about equity dilution and other crises via WhatsApp and email, partnership deeds, termination notices, as well as a transcript of the infamous Zoom townhall by Luthra in late September.

As revealed in court on 22 October by Saraf’s counsel, the entire L&L-brand firm has had a turnover of around Rs 250 crore ($34m). That figure included all the corporate partnerships - which had been co-founded by Luthra and Saraf in 1999 - as well as the litigation, tax and intellectual property (IP) partnerships.

But unlike the foreign legal market, there has been very little transparency in revenue figures of Indian law firms (besides our report of Khaitan & Co turnovers having topped Rs 600 crore).

Now, the WhatsApp conversations between Luthra and Saraf annexed to the court pleadings have provided further insight into the size and profitability of one of India’s largest corporate law firm businesses, as well as other interesting insider information.

Tomorrow (Friday, 6 November), the Delhi high court will again hear Saraf’s counsel arguing for an injunction against Luthra, to reinstate him into the firm.

Here is what’s at stake.

Structural context

For context, before getting too deeply into the weeds, there are at least six L&L Partners-branded entities. Internally at L&L, these are often referred to as L1 to L4:

  • L2 is the corporate partnership, co-owned by Luthra (with a 66.6% stake) and Saraf (33.4%).
  • L3 is the L&L Partners-branded litigation partnership that also includes three other equity partners. In this, Luthra is the largest single equity holder with 23.35%, while Saraf owns 11.12%. Another 18.51% each are held by HS (Bobby) Chandhoke, Sudhir Sharma and Vijay K Sondhi (and another 10% is held by partner Deepali Chandhoke, who is also the spouse of HS Chandhoke).
  • L4 is the separate corporate partnership that just includes the firm’s Mumbai office.
  • tax and IPR are two more L&L-branded partnerships for each respective practice area, each with separate deeds.
  • L1 is included here mostly for historical reasons, as it is the Rajiv Luthra-owned sole proprietorship Luthra & Luthra Law Offices from the early 90s, which predates the 1999 partnership between Luthra and Saraf. Technically L1 still exists, though operationally the brand name, revenues and overall business have been assigned to the other partnerships.

The financial data below primarily concerns the corporate partnerships (L2 and Mumbai’s L4, in some cases).

2018-19 corporate revenues: Rs 147 cr; profits: Rs 43 cr

According to a WhatsApp message by Luthra to Saraf in May of 2020:

  • in 2018-19 the “adjusted corporate turnover… (after adjustment tax/IPR and L-3)” (see below) was Rs 147.15 crore (around $20m).
  • “Adjusted Corporate Profit” for that year was Rs 43.2 crore (around $6m), according to Luthra’s message.

Those figures are equivalent to a profit margin of around 29%.

In line with his 66.6% equity share in the corporate partnership, Rajiv Luthra then said that his profit share for 2018-19 was Rs 28.8 crore (around $3.9m), while Saraf’s share was the remaining Rs 14.4 crore (around $1.9m).

Luthra had sent the above message in the course of a longer WhatsApp conversation with Saraf about the future of the firm, notably with Luthra proposing to dilute some equity in exchange for a 7.5% share of the top line revenues for Luthra (i.e., off the revenues before the deduction of any expenses).

But 2018-19 may also have been an unusually profitable year for corporate.

In December 2019, Saraf wrote to Luthra via WhatsApp that “on an average for last 3 years I have made 8 cr and you have made 16 cr from L2 and L4 in a year”.

PEP: Amongst top 30 US firms

If you were to convert Luthra and Saraf’s 2018-19 profits paid to profits per equity partner (PEP), which is a measure often used in international legal markets to measure a law firm’s profitability, it would put just the corporate partnership (excluding litigation) PEP at $2.9m.

That would put L&L amongst the top 30 US international firms’ PEP figures, though it would still be less than the $6.3m that an average one of 85 Wachtell Lipton Rosen & Katz partners take home.

With the litigation partnership, Saraf and Luthra’s yearly profits may be even higher.

Going by the Rs 16 crores profits that Luthra had apparently taken in 2018-19, Saraf argued in December 2019 in a series of messages about diluting their equity that they were both outliers in the Indian market.

“Very few people in corporate firms make 16 Cr,” wrote Saraf. “None of the founders’ own 66 per cent of the Firm - CAM, SAM, AZB, JSA, KCO or Trilegal but on other hand multiple partners (not founding Partners) make over 8 cr. in top firms like Vishwanath from Cyril, Ashwath and Hardip from AZB, Akshay Chudasma from SAM.”

Saraf’s argument was that without the two giving up more equity, L&L would not be able to attract and retain star talent.

He also added that his own contribution to L&L was surely therefore of a greater value than Rs 8 crores.

2019-20 corporate revenues: Rs 167 cr

Around June 2020, Saraf wrote to Luthra that in the 2019-20 financial year the corporate revenue in the corporate Delhi partnership (L2) in 2019-20 was Rs 111 cr.

The Mumbai office corporate partnership (L4) was Rs 56 cr that same year.

Combining both of those gives a 2019-20 overall corporate firm revenue of Rs 167 cores (around $22m).

Overall, for both corporate partnerships together, that represents a year-on-year turnover growth of around 12%.

Saraf was quoting the figures in order to demonstrate that under Luthra’s stewardship the Delhi office had grown much less rapidly than the Mumbai office and partnership, which Saraf had managed.

Saraf noted that since 2008-09 the Delhi (L2) partnership had grown from Rs 80 cr then its average annual growth rate until 2020 equated to only 3.06% per year (comparing unfavourably to “the Indian economy […] growing at 7%“, according to Saraf).

By contrast, claimed Saraf, the Mumbai office that he himself had set up and managed had grown from Rs 9 cr in 2008-09 (or by 18.09% year-on-year).

Saraf’s predictions for 2020-21 dire: Hole of Rs 62 cr

Saraf then continued arguing that the outlook for 2020-21 was not good and that Luthra’s dilution offer would not work commercially for the firm as a whole.

“After, spending a couple of days and many hours in discussion with our partners, Mr. Luthra one thing is very clear,” Saraf wrote. “Pre-covid and Post-Covid, the worlds are completely different.

“The uncertainty quotient in business is looming large in the post Covid world and I won’t be surprised if the Firm incur operating losses 20-21 and 21-22.”

In particular, he pointed to several factors that would put financial stress on the firm, not just related to Covid.

In particular, the loss of the books of business of five partners could cost the firm Rs 42 crores in revenues, he argued, while the end of the ArcelorMittal insolvency would hit revenues by Rs 20 crores.

“They [partners] are cognisant that Insolvency work (25 crore) which was a key driver of revenue (especially ArcelorMittal - 20 cr) would be dried up. Alina’s (10 cr), Manan’s (12 cr), Sameen’s (8 cr), Amit Shetye (7 cr) and Aditya Periwal (5 cr) departure would have added to the hole,” wrote Saraf, adding: “Covid has dramatically altered prospects in the near to middle term.”

Of these:

Senior projects partner Sameen Vyas had passed away in October 2019.

Saraf also predicted that profitable practices from other partners would come under pressure from rival firms looking to poach them if the firm did not adjust its equity model and retention strategies.

Saraf mentioned nine corporate partners in particular, across two teams - Bikash Jhawar’s team of five partners, and the team consisting of Vaibhav Kakkar, Sundeep Dudeja and one more partner - as accounting for a total revenue of Rs 55 crore.

Those two corporate teams had made up 50% of both Mumbai and Delhi corporate partnership revenues and a whopping 60% of profits, according to Saraf.

Luthra declined to comment on the accuracy of the figures, and Saraf did not respond to a request for comment.

Comments

Money money money 5 Nov 2020, 18:03
+17 -0
This is so sad. Lots of law firm partners rubbing their hands or turning green with envy. But the cause of these numbers is that there were so many partners who were not equity partners. When you see the per lawyer or per partner (equity and not) revenue figures, this becomes much clearer. That is why this partnership was always going to end in one of two ways. Either greater equity participation or a split. Split it is. And not a nice split like Platinum, where all the disagreements and trouble leading to a split were kept from public view.
Paisa bolta hai 6 Nov 2020, 03:26
+39 -8
Manan had a 17 member team but just a book of 12 crores,. Alina had a 4 member team and a book of 10 crores. Wow. I am surprised L&L created such a big hue and cry about Manan leaving. [...]
manners 6 Nov 2020, 07:26
+18 -8
RKL and MS heard about Manan leaving from legallyindia and Manan also took away clients. Alina's exit was quite pleasant compared to Manan's shitshow
Nonsense 6 Nov 2020, 08:49
+24 -2
The following is a matter of record as evidenced in the chats appended to the petition, so please publish this as is. All of this is purely as per the chats and no interpretation has been added:

Mohit was warned at multiple levels that Manan is planning an exit. Please read the chats - Manmeet Singh had specifically sounded off Mohit of Manan's departure, BEFORE the story actually broke. So it is patently false to say that RKL and MS found out through legally India. If you read the chats, you can sense the desperation in MS' texts to RKL to try and stop Manan BEFORE the story hit the press.

Secondly, with respect to Alina, again please read the chats. There is a clear sense of betrayal amongst the Partners at how her exit and that of the bulk of her team was engineered by her. One of the EC members goes on to say that at least Manan was upfront in his intentions from day 1, whereas Alina proclaimed something and did something else (read: poach the bulk of her team). RKL goes on to express his dismay that he let her phone number continue with her on the representation that she was retiring for personal reasons.

So the hurt was as much as at the time of Manan's departure.

Factual correction: Alina's team was 7 strong (including her).
manners 6 Nov 2020, 09:52
+7 -6
so youre telling me that manan who left with his whole team (which was five partners and some 20 associates in 2 cities) AND clients AND existing matters was a cleaner exit than Alina who left after giving due notice, completing her matters and leaving behind all her clients - and without a mess in the media. Some of her team followed her quite a few months later. Not denying the partners felt betrayed with Alina but they were angry with what Manan did

She joined SAM during the lockdown almost 5 months after legallyindia reported her resignation. There was no reputational loss (lol) to Luthra when Alina left - hence, pleasant exit. And only half her team went with her - last I checked some of her team are still working here in Luthra Delhi.
Wait for it 6 Nov 2020, 10:33
+2 -1
Did she not take the rest?
Nope 6 Nov 2020, 11:54
+2 -0
No she didn’t. She left 2 (a newly minted partner, and an A0) behind.
NightWatchmanGS 6 Nov 2020, 14:43
+2 -3
The last one from her team has also quit and no prizes for guessing where he is going. Just you wait and watch.
216 6 Nov 2020, 08:13
+25 -3
Capital markets doesn’t make money - same story in every firm
Amen 6 Nov 2020, 11:34
+14 -0
We've all heard of the legendary INR 50k mandates that firms take up, overwork a team for all under the misguided belief that this is a "foot in the door"
Insider Perspective 6 Nov 2020, 12:05
+9 -2
Alina learned from Manan’s approach and hence took the circuitous route - leave claiming retirement, take a break, while her chosen associates handed in their papers and served out their notice periods, and join SAM at a point her team was also ready to do. Regardless of the mode of exit though, there was always going to be more hue and cry about Manan’s exit - his and his team’s departure marked that of an entire practice area and Luthra capmarks was reduced to Geeta and a couple of associates who chose to stay. Alina, on the other hand, while undeniably a hardworking lawyer, practiced across M&A, white collar crime/investigations which other partners in the firm also do, though she was the leader of the investigations practice. Not sure if the same analysis applies to insurance and defence, which are her other practice areas I believe. Plus, her clients were really RKL’s clients as has been pointed out before on LI, and at least some key relationships have continued working with Luthra.
Sherlocked 6 Nov 2020, 12:38
+2 -5
[quote]Plus, her clients were really RKL’s clients.[/quote]

Really?! That "insider perspective" is way off the actual truth. In fact she was amongst the only few at Luthra who did not have to rely on RKL or MS to get in clients.
Okhla 6 Nov 2020, 13:33
+7 -3
Name 3 clients of hers which are self sourced - haven't seen (m)any conflict checks from her.
Ssshhh 6 Nov 2020, 13:49
+3 -1
There's something called client confidentiality. Which is even more important for her practice area. Elementary, my dear Watson.
Nope 6 Nov 2020, 14:39
+3 -1
Conflict checks are run even for the practice area you allude to. So even though you can't name clients on a LI comment section, assuming Okhla is being truthful they would have seen checks.
Insider Perspective 6 Nov 2020, 14:37
+4 -0
I'm afraid that's the information I have - hence "insider perspective", and not "insider actual truth". I have heard, for example, that she was the one who pushed RKL to push for, and land, the Chanda Kochhar investigation. At the same time, again as an example, I'd also heard that a significant proportion of her team's work comes from a gigantic global law firm (like many other teams, even in Mumbai and Bangalore). That firm has a relationship with RKL, and not her as such.

Then again, RKL probably set the relationship up years ago but left partners, including Alina and certain others, to keep such clients happy and ensure they kept coming back. So no taking that away.
Irene 6 Nov 2020, 13:05
+4 -2
Yeah this is true. Makes sense that SSS gave her equity - no way she would have gotten it if she wasnt capable of generating her own revenue
fcpa 9 Nov 2020, 11:16
+1 -0
alina did fcpa compliance work for mncs which is profitable as it does not take a massive team.
manan- capital markets which is such a vanity practice in india not just in luthra. as it takes lots of resources and does not earn up enough.
pardafash 21 Nov 2020, 15:23
+0 -0
qed
Ok 6 Nov 2020, 07:20
+13 -10
These things should not leak. Specially the income of other partners working in other law firms. The amount of remuneration is their private affair.
Wait for it 6 Nov 2020, 07:36
+7 -12
It is not thier remuneration re. It is the revenue generated from their work for the Firm. Their remuneration would only be a percentage of this revenue/ their book. Hope you're doing your DD properly.
Ok 6 Nov 2020, 09:40
+7 -3
Yes, I am doing my DD properly. But not sure about you. Helping you with the relevant excerpt to make you more efficient with your DD (which am sure is the only thing you are worthy of but still suck at) :

“Very few people in corporate firms make 16 Cr,” wrote Saraf. “None of the founders’ own 66 per cent of the Firm - CAM, SAM, AZB, JSA, KCO or Trilegal but on other hand multiple partners (not founding Partners) make over 8 cr. in top firms like Vishwanath from Cyril, Ashwath and Hardip from AZB, Akshay Chudasma from SAM.”
Wait for it 6 Nov 2020, 09:53
+20 -2
You're right. I realised you were referring to the earlier part of the article soon after submitting my comment and not to what I thought you were referring to. But the comment was out of my control by then. I even reported my own comment to LI asking them to delete it. Guess they didn't listen. You were right. I was wrong in reading your comment. TC
Ok 6 Nov 2020, 10:31
+16 -0
No worries, my friend. My apologies I sounded rude. No offense. :)
wut 3 Dec 2020, 09:14
+16 -0
Now both of you kiss
Wait for it 6 Nov 2020, 10:47
+24 -0
Just reading your comment I cried looking at the steps you took to stop Kian from publishing your comment.
Basss 6 Nov 2020, 14:06
+24 -0
Bass karo paglo! Rulaoge kya ab?! (I need a hug now - #BroHug)
Hahaha 6 Nov 2020, 15:16
+1 -1
The above conversation reminds me of Abhishek Upmanyu's stand-up comedy on Delhi v Mumbai people. The way he described his fight with Mumbaikars. Do watch. Link below. Relevant time of the video: 1:00- 2:00.

https://youtu.be/mPCDQ34S8Rs
BasKarYaar 6 Nov 2020, 18:36
+5 -0
Thank you bhai saab

Its ok bhai saab.

Hugs

Kisses.

Can't RKL and MS take a cue out of this also?
comment 6 Nov 2020, 07:45
+8 -0
How does the earnings of Top Corporate bosses compare to those of litigators? I heard a lot of litigators make more than 10 cr in Delhi HC.
furniture 6 Nov 2020, 08:13
+16 -0
Under the table or above...?
Umm 6 Nov 2020, 08:43
+4 -0
Above+Below?
Poe 6 Nov 2020, 08:16
+32 -0
Kian how does it make sense to compare PEP for two founder partners to a lockstep equity setup in the US market? With no equity opened up in L&L post Saraf, there is actually a hidden tier of partners who have been bringing in disproportionate business without being rewarded with equity. Just look at the 34cr hole left by non-equity partners. If LL operated like a law firm instead of a bakery, the true PEP would be far far lower as it would be divided among the rainmakers on equity.
Betty Crocker Cakes 6 Nov 2020, 14:50
+3 -0
Its worse than a bakery. At a bakery, at least the workers can also taste the best of cakes, but not at Luthra. Here all the cream is for the two cats at the top and now only one and his new equity partners!!! Any idea how much equity the new cats got??
L&L 6 Nov 2020, 08:37
+9 -6
This is disdainful! Such leaks are designed only to weaken the resolve of those on the fence or on RKL's side. Someone who's been portraying himself all along as the torch bearer of the firm's future is now wanting to torch the future. Shame!
Shameful 6 Nov 2020, 08:57
+21 -8
Shame on MS for disclosure of confidential information. What client will trust him now? How can someone who can't keep his internal firm information confidential be trusted by clients to keep their information confidential.

Shameful, classless behaviour to say the least. He should take his two cents and get lost!!
Low 6 Nov 2020, 09:42
+15 -9
From the looks of things - he did everything possible to keep things from blowing up and getting out. Even agreeing to mediation and being locked out. The texts clearly indicate what a shitshow RKL has brought to L&L doors by not giving heed to MS and being stubborn.

Can agree with you on one thing. He is going to leave. Once this is sorted - he will obviously not be a part of L&L, along with a lot of sensible people and clients.
Ofcourse 6 Nov 2020, 09:06
+6 -12
Luthra is the fastest growing law firm in the country. I am sure it will outdo HSF and A&O in gross profits soon.
Randomiser 6 Nov 2020, 09:29
+2 -11
Hey, can someone please put out a comparison of lit salaries also here? Assuming this Saraf evidence is correct, someone like Ashwath who by all records seems to be at the top of his game is making around 8 Cr. What does someone who graduated at around the same time who is also at the top of their game in a litigation (private practice) make? Could someone also please put general estimates on how the lit game could play out as against someone doing well in corp, with similar PQE, across different batches? I know its hard to compare, but would like to have a reasonable idea before deciding on my career choice. For eg, someone going to a good chamber in Delhi is probably paid 20-30K while someone at a corp firm could make around 1L a month. Want to know how the difference is or how it changes across the first 10-15 years of someone's career.
Thanks.
Munna bhai 6 Nov 2020, 09:42
+18 -2
No.
FinePrintGuy 6 Nov 2020, 10:49
+47 -0
What incoming Associates don't get
You read "crores" & get impressed

You're from a top NLU. Smart. Willing. ....So f***ing what!

Reality dear child:

1. Almost 0% will touch 1cr after 10 yrs of 24x7 work
2. Only 2-3% will come close to 1cr after 12-13 yrs of 24x7 work
3. Meanwhile life will take its toll

Please plan your life
Don't behave like like poultry in a mandi

PS. Entry of any Foreign Firm is not going to save you
Naval 6 Nov 2020, 10:17
+7 -1
Focus on having fulfillment instead of worrying about pay. Looking at the things, if even running L&L cannot help you make what good business outside law make in a year (and much earlier)- you have greener pastures you can look at. Places where you make more easily.

Also, comparison in lit and corp at later stage is futile. If you are successful, your time is equally valued in both. However, probability of making it to the 4-8 Cr revenue in dependent on probability of you becoming a senior advocate in select courts. Same for corporate. Most do not make it to even 3 crore.
Oh 6 Nov 2020, 12:08
+2 -0
And what are those so-called greener pastures as referred in your first para? Not counting litigation.
Randomiser 6 Nov 2020, 18:20
+0 -0
Thanks
Randomiser 6 Nov 2020, 18:19
+12 -8
Hi, to clarify, I'm not saying oh I'll definitely make 8 crores an annum at some firm. Which is why I sad the people at the top of their game. Second it's not just that it's great pay. I'm graduating soon and I need to be able to know if as a successful litigator at the top end of my batch (in practice not academically or something) whether I'd be able to survive by myself and financially support my parents. I don't think it's fair to dismiss concerns of students saying o, ye chutiye log hai they only care about money. While I personally have my own metrics of success, at the end of the day I want to sleep peacefully knowing that if I have to shell out money for medical expenses or surgery for my parents, I would be able to do so.
Ambivalent 7 Nov 2020, 06:46
+21 -0
If you want to make money and completely support your parents and have no worry about it, you should do corporate law. You can be killing it in corporate law working 24/7, or also barely making even after working 24/7. Depends on ur expenses, tax, and your desire to spend on yourself and the useless expenses that come with being a corporate lawyer.

You can also do Litigation in a firm where work is shit, but you will make relatively equivalent pay - depends on firm to firm, but usually there’s a diff of 20-30 percent between corporate and Lit folks.

Working as an independent litigator is another ball game, depends which office your associated with, but broadly speaking don’t have any financial expectations till you’re 35. Even after that you can have lean phases. It’s impossible to predict a litigators financial journey.

Free advise - don’t take career advice on Legally India, and don’t compare how much you can make by looking at someone 20 years your senior - the examples you’ve cited. The world will fundamentally change by the time you’ve worked for 20 years, so be realistic of what you can predict. Even if you’re brilliant, you can still end up earning in 50 lakhs of so. Law firms / litigation success is dependent on luck and timing to a large extent, which people don’t talk about as it will overshadow their perception of their intelligence.
Guest 7 Nov 2020, 09:59
+4 -2
Absolutely correct. Litigation is a different ball game. Litigation in a law firm is mostly anything in-between a client and the lawyer who will actually argue the case. But it pays well and is a decent career option. Corp. law is the best option if someone wants to pursue law firms. That’s my view.
Randomiser 7 Nov 2020, 14:35
+1 -2
Thank you so much for this. I agree, anonymous answers on LI are probably a bad idea to take life decisions based on, but I thought I should still try.
Alias 6 Nov 2020, 09:43
+0 -5
How many NLU AOs/PA/Partners are getting affected?
Guest 6 Nov 2020, 10:15
+2 -1
We need foreign law firms now!
Show me the money 6 Nov 2020, 10:42
+12 -3
LV: 15 crores
Ashwath: 12 crores
Chudasama : 12 crores
Raghubir Menon: 10 crores

Those whatsapp figures are outdated. Wonder if anil Kosturi and Gautam saha azb will resign in protest next.
Itna? 6 Nov 2020, 14:32
+10 -0
Matlab itna paisa kahan rakhte hai ye log?

Aur neend kaise aati hai - koi le gaya toh? :P
Ex L&L 6 Nov 2020, 17:10
+1 -1
Let us see things in the correct perspective
1) There is lot of double counting in the figures. Arcelor was handled by SV and a few other Partners, including from Mumbai who left. You don't count the hole due to Arcelor and also from the absence of these partners twice over. In fact Arcelor accounted for almost the entire billing of SV's team.
2) From what I heard, rumours of course in the firm, SV and Madhurima were both offered equity when Madhurima joined, but of their own teams ( a model rumoured to be followed at SAM perhaps). It was like the L2 created for MS. Madhurima refused as she wanted for the whole firm. SV took it up and regretted as his take home took a dramatic hit and he went back to Paid Partner in the boom boom years.
3) Manan's exit creates a hole in revenues and not profits as his team took home whatever revenue they generated.
4) [...]
Chillarwala 6 Nov 2020, 17:24
Contested
+0 -0
In the calculation of profits etc. please factor in
1) A lot of the expenses incurred by the senior partners is on the expense account of the firm.
2) RKL has many personal retainerships of substantial worth, the payments for which do not come into the L2 account. Speculation is that it went into L1.
3) The billings by the senior partners is their personal change, not part of PnL of L2-4. In L2 annd L4, to get the matters referred to by senior partners one needed to bill for them for consultation at every stage of a matter which mattered.
Partnership Deed 7 Nov 2020, 05:08
Contested
+0 -0
Even more importantly, RKL takes a 20% cut of all topline revenue meaning on top of his 16 cr. profit, he also takes home 20% of the ~140 crore revenue (about 28 crores) just from the corporate side alone.
kianganz 7 Nov 2020, 05:14
+3 -0
I dont think that's correct, based on my understanding. There was discussion for RKL to reduce his equity and in lieu take topline, but the current deed does not contain this.
Insights 6 Nov 2020, 17:53
+13 -4
@Kian- thanks for reporting this. Some of it- even if you remove the muck actually provides a lot of insight on how law firms are run in India- their figures, their profits, the rain makers and the performers.

For example- it’s shocking to hear that Luthra has lost almost a 35 crore book over the last year or so!!! That’s a lot of money!! Or for that matter Bikash and Sundeep/ Vaibhav’s team making 50% of the profits and 60% of the revenue. What are the other teams doing?!
Are they the new equity partners who Luthra have appointed?! I sure hope so- it would be stupid to not!!
The other corporate partners are really miles behind it seems if just 2 teams (and 8 partners) are contributing to more than 60% profit. What are the rest 25-30 of them doing?!
Guest 6 Nov 2020, 20:58
+0 -0
That's why I say agar hunar hain, vakalat karo! Saara paisa jaeb main!!
Tu Mera bhai 7 Nov 2020, 04:07
+4 -0
Ms sir, brilliant strategy and you are already on verge of winning. Team MS now open a your firm and compete out L and Partners completely !
Big law 7 Nov 2020, 05:15
+2 -0
All big law is the same everywhere. It actually symbolises greed to another level. Here you are rolling in crores and stilly crying! Never had a good opinion of L&L, and my opinion was right. This institution is destined for nothing good, when senior leaders are putting confidential business info out there, and washing a lot of dirt!!!
Guest 7 Nov 2020, 09:38
+1 -3
If you back RKL in this case, it means your knowledge of law is zero. Go back to law school. Working as a glorified clerk has made you forget law.
LegallyFictitious 26 Nov 2020, 14:33
+0 -0
anyone know what's up? it's been a while since any updates came on this. @kian what's the goss?
Troller Badshah 26 Nov 2020, 18:09
+6 -0
First RKL kicked MS out of the partnership. MS then said RKL could not kick him out because he had kicked himself out before that. A few other partners and associates panicked and kicked themselves out. MS sued RKL in court court, contending that though he had not been kicked out, RKL's bouncers kicked him out when he tried to enter office. The judge kicked both of them out of court and sent them to Panchu and Mukherjee to mediate and settle. The poor mediators had no clue how to referee this sordid football match, and without much ado, kicked them out of mediation. The matter is back in court, and both have engaged kickass lawyers to argue who got kicked out of partnership first.
kianganz 26 Nov 2020, 19:11
+0 -0
Not much new really... (Possibly) final day of hearing of RKL's arguments scheduled for later today (27th November)...