Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas locks fixed salary component but reduces potential bonuses for non-fresher fee-earners [UPDATE-2]

Scoop: SAM goes for third-way approach after Khaitan’s straight equity cuts, CAM’s transfer from fixed to variable**

SAM to roll more of bonus payments into next finanical year
SAM to roll more of bonus payments into next finanical year

Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas (SAM) has announced a reduction in the variable bonus component of take-home pay of fee-earners if the firm - if the firm as a whole does not perform to target - by effectively deferring a greater percentage of the variable payments to the following financial year, according to firm insiders.

Nevertheless, high performers might actually see normal bonus payments under the new model, we understand, since the bonus payments are still linked to individual performance.

This means that equity partners have agreed to sacrifice profits they can draw to practically guarantee - at least for now - that fee-earners’ fixed components would be unaffected.

The SAM remuneration model is slightly complex, however.

In short, fresher recruits at SAM receive 100% of their remuneration as a fixed component, as we had reported in 2016 and 2017, so they would be completely unaffected by the move.

For more senior a fee-earners, a larger percentage of their take-home pay is made up by a variable portion, which ordinarily makes up 50% of the total remuneration.

Of that variable bonus element, in ordinary non-Covid times, SAM would normally pay out around 80% in the current financial year (for example, for the 2019-20 financial year, this would work out to 30% in October 2019 and 50% in March 2020). The remaining 20% would be paid out in the following financial year, as a retention strategy (in the case of the previous 2019-20 financial year, this remainder would be paid out in May 2020).

Payments due for the previous 2019-20 financial year will not be altered, we understand.

But, under the new measures, if the firm does not hit its ordinary financial targets (as seems likely in the current climes), a greater percentage of the variable component will be held back until the next financial year.

In particular, instead of 80%, only 50% of the variable bonus will be payable in March 2021 for this financial year, with 50% thereafter.

Furthermore, the total variable bonus amount will be dependent both on whether the firm has achieved its overall financial targets and whether an individual fee-earner has hit their targets.

SAM variable payments are currently strictly based on a fee-earners billings, without any discretion.

Update-2, 18:53: Updated with more details of SAM’s variable payments structure.

While this would lessen the cash flow crunch on the firm, by keeping the fixed component the same, it would also reduce profits of the firm and therefore the take-home pay of the equity partners.

Update-1, 17:25: SAM has officially confirmed the tweak in its remuneration structure in a statement:

As we navigate these challenging times, our focus remains on the wellbeing of our people, securing the business of the Firm, strong financial management and providing as much certainty as we can to our stakeholders.

The Management Board of the Firm has had extensive deliberations and have taken the following decisions for FY 20-21 for our lawyers:

  • As matters stand, there will be no cut in fixed monthly retainer and the fixed retainer would be same as that of last year; and
  • In addition, where lawyers are eligible to variable compensation, it shall be calculated taking into account the performance of the Firm and be paid in equal tranches, in March 2021 and the first half of FY 2021-22.

Also, the balance of the past FY’s variable compensation shall be paid out by the Firm, as always.

Any adverse impact of the Firm’s performance would be largely borne and absorbed by the equity partnership of the Firm.

Although we are aware of the tough and unprecedented time the Firm, the country and the world are going through, we have borne the interests of all in mind as we brace ourselves for a challenging time ahead, with prudence and vigilance. We are confident that we will emerge from these times as a stronger and more evolved firm.

As always, we remain committed to serving our clients and are proud that the Firm has had a great start to this Financial Year with headline deals, even in the present climate.

Khaitan & Co has followed a model where senior equity partners agreed to a flat 20% haircut, without any present reduction at the lower fee-earner and staffing levels.

However, SAM’s move falls short of CAM’s more aggressive cuts, where equity partners would not draw any pay this financial year and more junior fee-earners earning more than Rs 25 lakh per year, would be subject to escalating deferment of salaries from 10 to 30%.

We have reached out to SAM for comment.

Comments

Outsider 29 Apr 2020, 11:59
+25 -7
"No cut in fixed monthly retainer" is just a polite way of saying no increments this year.
Clap clap 29 Apr 2020, 12:20
+25 -8
Woah. That is some reading between the lines. Hope you are an Outsider to lawyering.
Guest 29 29 Apr 2020, 12:29
+13 -0
At least they have been fair to say openly to forget about increments. No one will actually bother about that for now in the present conditions. Fixed pay has not been touched for now, which will mean a lot for the lawyers. CAM, KCO and SAM have revealed their cards. What are AZB and other big firms up to?
Scotty 29 Apr 2020, 14:10
+18 -2
Frankly, this seems like a not-so-bad arrangement. Actually, I expected all the big law firms to do more drastic cuts. And the SAM one seems perhaps the best of the lot so far.
Vormir 29 Apr 2020, 15:51
+0 -1
What would be the year on year increment be approximately??
Blanket 30 Apr 2020, 03:08
+1 -3
Atleast there is no reduction in salary right. CAM also won’t give increments.
Savithri 30 Apr 2020, 14:38
+2 -1
No firm will give increments. Even if they do it will be nominal. SAM not giving any increments should not come as a surprise. Being forthright about it is better now than later.
CSS 29 Apr 2020, 12:12
+11 -6
I told everyone since years - Malai has been kept by SSS
Kudos 29 Apr 2020, 13:01
+21 -2
You must think you are so funny, referencing the most popular comment on the CAM article.
Sammite 30 Apr 2020, 07:05
+7 -1
So basically that's a reason for people to work for SAM and not CAM, right? greater liquidity and therefore security?

How Anil Ambani of you to admit that you're broke!
AlooBonda 29 Apr 2020, 12:15
+6 -0
Wonder how law shops would survive this pandemic. If the law shops do not perish, it would mean that they have no structure. The so called founders have savings on which they survive and do not care to expand / progress.
@Mr Bonda 29 Apr 2020, 15:06
+1 -4
Didn't follow your comment, could you please elaborate?
AlooGoonda 29 Apr 2020, 16:32
+2 -3
You work at one of the shops it seems
@Mr Goonda 29 Apr 2020, 17:23
+4 -1
Well, yes, I do. A well paying shop at that. What's that got to do with my inability to follow the previous comment?
Guest 29 Apr 2020, 12:22
+3 -0
We all can kiss the bonus goodbye
Analyst 29 Apr 2020, 12:24
+12 -26
SAM has in effect implemented the highest pay cut with cute messaging. Their clarification says that "fixed component"will not be revised downwards. However, the bigger chunk is in the variable part because SAM's variable ranges from 10% at A1 level to as high as 50% of total annual payout at Salaried Partner level. And that variable component will now be determined upon three factors at the end of FY 21 - firms overall performance, teams performance and individual performance. That is too high a bar and it is difficult to fairly calculate the variable pay for around 650 lawyers 12 to 18 months hence.
???? 29 Apr 2020, 12:47
+14 -1
@Analyst - hows that determination any diff. from what they do every year?
Count your blessings 29 Apr 2020, 12:58
+30 -2
There is nothing cute about this. You are being idiotic in saying this is the highest cut. It is reasonable to assume that bonus in all firms this year will depend upon the overall performance of the firm and not just individual performance. All of us in law firms had resigned to the fact that bonuses would be bad. Its the cut in fixed component in CAM which was unexpected at least right now. For those in CAM even fixed has taken a hit and the bonus anyways is as good as gone. The message from SAM at least on paper looks like we will try to protect our people. The message from CAM is we will protect ourselves at the cost of people. Then it's only a matter of time before you start cutting pay or firing people.
lemons 29 Apr 2020, 14:28
+3 -0
Is that different from other years? I would think most organisations would run something on these lines given that the first quarter and maybe more is looking complicated for most enterprises.

Unless you are saying SAM is making money as usual in this period, I would assume they too would be budgeting for a 75-80 percent number. And given that fixed is not being touched, and bonus is 40 percent or lower for associate this should not Mathematically imply a loss for you so long as you make 70-80 of individual target.
Blanket 30 Apr 2020, 03:17
+1 -6
Unlike other firms, SAM bonus system is very transparent. You need to bill 2.75 of your package. U meet u get 100% ...no faltu component like attending CLE, firm values etc etc. The bonus component in CAM SA level onwards is 30% n goes up. So you see it’s already a lot and now it will go up further. The average bonus payout in CAM is 75% of entitlement in normal years. This year it will be 50%....as due to Covid, no team will meet its target. So u see it’s a double whammy for CAM - cut in fixed salary because of covid and reduced bonus also because targets weren’t mad! What cleverness CSS/LV.
CM Associate 30 Apr 2020, 04:11
+2 -1
What about capital markets? They don't have hourly billing. For CM, how does this work?
????? 30 Apr 2020, 04:27
+12 -3
Very very far from truth. In fact its very opaque in SAM. I met 3.15x of my (supposed) pay, i.e. I should have in total been paid at least 1x. But instead I got paid 0.90x. I know another person - she billed upwards of 2 cr. but got paid 40 lacs or so. So actually it is supremely opaque. If really, truly, there is transparency in a top tier law firm, then its JSA hands down.
Whoa 30 Apr 2020, 06:14
+1 -1
40 lakhs bonus is pretty great. How much were you expecting? Genuine question, don't mean to come across as rude.
Sammite 30 Apr 2020, 07:15
+7 -0
The structure is pretty transparent. Most teams let individuals know how much they're billing and recovering, so you know how much you've achieved of your target.
The only thing they've changed this year is adding on the link to firm performance (delaying the bonuses is not an important change IMO, most firms didn't pay 30 percent of the bonus early!)
That's basically taking SAM to the likes of KCO, CAM, and all. So if you're a Sammy, it feels like a bigger cut, but it's a cut from a better position to start with. No other firm needs to announce that bonuses will be linked to firm performance, because that's already understood. You don't get 100% bonus at CAM or KCO just because you hit target, but you do at SAM (i have, more than once, since 2015-6, and know dozens of people that have).
So yeah, in terms of cuts, if you're not an EP, it's KCO>SAM>CAM, but overall, even if you're not an EP, its SAM>KCO>CAM. The exact cuts at EP level are not know for SAM, so you'd have to exclude them from this comparison.
Of course, the proof of this pudding will be in the bonuses eventually given out.
????? 30 Apr 2020, 08:46
+2 -2
40 lacs was total salary for year - 30 lacs in monthly salaries + 10 lacs bonus
SAM-e 30 Apr 2020, 12:27
+4 -1
At SAM, the bonus is mostly transparent across the board and linked to individual recoveries. If you recover 100% of your personal target (i.e., 3x of your CTC), then you get 100% of your bonus. At least that's the spirit and I personally don't know if anyone who has been given a lesser bonus just because the team performance in aggregate was lower.
Samco 30 Apr 2020, 13:59
+3 -0
Thats y you could afford LI subscription
!!!! 1 May 2020, 07:17
+0 -0
Beta, you din get the Partners blessing bonus.
Guest 38 29 Apr 2020, 12:39
+11 -4
Hopefully you do not analyse things for a living. Bonuses are always paid depending on Firm and individual performances. If there are no revenues, there will be no bonuses. The funda is not different for most firms. Does any firm guarantee bonus payment?
Essentially, they have said that we will not cut fixed pay + maybe no increments + bonus will be dependant on the performance for the financial year.
Ma ka ashirwad and pai 29 Apr 2020, 12:43
+29 -2
On balance, I think this is the fairest of all announcements so far.

By ensuring no cuts to fixed pay, a lot of concerns (EMIs, fixed costs etc) of salaried partners and associates are laid to rest.
Beta 30 Apr 2020, 11:14
+0 -0
But how is this announcement fairer than the one at KCO unless you're taking into account the sentiments of the EPs as well? It appears to me that from a RP level downwards, its SAM = KCO > CAM. Since SAM has not announced any reductions at all, then including the EPs it would be SAM>KCO>CAM.
Slaveforlife 29 Apr 2020, 12:54
+2 -0
What about promotions? SAM has not made any statement yet! Will there be a clarification?
Slaveforlife 29 Apr 2020, 13:03
+3 -0
What about promotions???
Devil is in the pickle 29 Apr 2020, 14:20
+13 -3
Nobody is bothering about promotions now mate. The aim is to survive. Clients have seen zero cash flow since mid-March. Even if we do work for them, they will pay after much delay. So in this scenario, no job-cut, no fixed-component cut are the melodies to our ears. We have to pay house-rents, student loan EMIs, car-loan EMIs. I think SAM has been pretty generous to its associates.
EMI 30 Apr 2020, 05:19
+31 -0
You are still making car loan payments!? For what joy!? Let the bank repossess... SAM is likely to be WFH till next year!


And the repossession guy is also work from home so you can keep the car without paying till the lockdown lifts.[img]https://media0.giphy.com/media/h3dLO4g2ScCN1XsW6R/200.gif[/img]
Devil is in the pickle 3 May 2020, 16:27
+1 -1
Ever heard of CIBIL or credit score? This car loan won’t be the last loan you take.
Analysts Inc 29 Apr 2020, 14:48
+10 -5
SAM has been the fairest and most generous overall in looking after the lawyers. KCO is a close second (since equity partners are taking a cut which shows their large hearted ness). Promotions are no longer a priority. promotions are announced in May or June anyway so there is still some time. Right now job security and no pay cuts are a priority. SAM and KCO have been able to give that.
9.3 1 May 2020, 07:27
+4 -0
HR team members on LI now!!
Transparency Internat 29 Apr 2020, 13:10
+15 -6
Wow. Kudos to SAM to be behind its people.
Essentially they have made no change to salaries (fixed or variable) but deferred the Diwali bonus to March.
Extremely fair and its shows the confidence of management in being able to perform.
Enviously yours.
Associate from Tier 1
SAM Associate 29 Apr 2020, 13:14
+10 -15
Guys I don’t know what the hullabaloo is about.
I’m a SAM associate. I got a 200% bonus last year (yes it happens and it based on simple math) and this year my basic package remains the same. I’m on 60% fixed and 40% variable. Usually 30% of the 40% was paid at diwali time and they are saying it will be paid in March.
Totally cool with it. Thanks for letting me know now so I can plan accordingly.
And oh about getting the whole 40% or more, obviously it’s based on firm performance, like Duh!
Fan 29 Apr 2020, 16:02
+0 -0
Whoa! Good job. What times your pay was your target set at and by how much did you exceed your target? Also what area of law are you working in (in case you are comfortable)?
SAM Associate 29 Apr 2020, 17:50
+19 -9
Corporate. Last year, I was at 45 lakhs (fixed and variable). My target for bonus calculation was x3 (1.35) and thanks to alot of dollar billing i actually billed and recovered 210% of my target.

In the old AMSS i would have got 90% of variable and 1 lakh bump. In CAM i probably would have got 80% of variable. But with the SAM variable pay being a mathematical calculation and the ability to receive up to 200%, I walked away with 36 lakhs of variable pay and a total take home of 63 lakhs.

I recognise I am lucky working for who I am at SAM and doing alot of dollar billing mandates. If i was doing the same number of hours with rupee billing, life would have been very different.

In all, yes I am a fan of SAM. They are the fairest of the lot.
Dig Deeper 29 Apr 2020, 18:17
+58 -2
You're lucky you work for Raghubir Menon
Paid promotions 29 Apr 2020, 18:57
+6 -1
[img]https://media3.giphy.com/media/JpG2A9P3dPHXaTYrwu/200.gif[/img]
Funny 30 Apr 2020, 05:22
+13 -0
Funny how you think "fairness" means paying disproportionately more money to fee-earners who just happen to be doing dollar billing (due to team allocation at A0 level based on luck rather than merit.
Excuse me 30 Apr 2020, 06:36
+6 -0
It is certainly naive of you to think this is some junior associate taking home a whopping 63 lakhs. Obviously this is some PA or SP starting out and it is highly unlikely that this person has moved from A0 to PA in the same firm. As a lateral hire, it would be his/her calibre plus charisma/charm which would have helped them get into the top billing team.
Funny 30 Apr 2020, 13:46
+2 -1
Username / comment title says "SAM [b]Associate[/b]"

In anycase, them getting a lot of money for same volume of work due to dollar billing is good for them but certainly does not represent "fairness" as most people understand it.
Woah 30 Apr 2020, 07:07
+2 -0
Not sure if this is true or a troll. But an associate walking away with 63 LPA is crazy. If true, I wish these stories were more widely known so that it gives bargaining power to people at other firms.
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 10:15
+5 -3
You billed 283 lakhs and got 63 lakhs. That’s 22% of total billing. You worked v hard, you are at PA level. Firm kept 78% of YOUR billing.

Of your labour of 63 lakhs, (if honest) you paid direct tax approx 28% effective rate and indirect tax at 20% average rate. You got to keep 39 lakhs which comes to 14% of your total billing.

Does this seem like a good deal to you?
What the 30 Apr 2020, 12:06
+4 -1
Do you really think a senior lawyer will end up paying 24 lakhs in taxes?
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 15:22
+1 -4
Sir, that’s India’s tax structure, where’s the lie!
SAM Associate 30 Apr 2020, 14:13
+1 -14
Im 27 years old and made 63 lakhs. Thats more than my 53 year old dad makes. So yeah im chuffed.
If you compare me to other 27 year olds also, im fairing better!
I did bring in the client, i didnt negotiate the high billing rates, im not liable for anything
Yeah dude. I think i hit the lottery.
How much did your make buddy??

SAM Zindabad!
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 15:20
+9 -0
How can you be 27 if you are a PA?!! You went to law school when you were 15-16?
SAM Associate 30 Apr 2020, 16:52
+5 -6
Im an SA. Ive worked for 5 years. Remember my package is 45 lakhs which is the upper band of SA. And because of the bonus I actually received 63.

Legally India you should really do a story on firm bonus structures. The opacity hides firms like mine which actually are much better to work at then one which offer a high upfront but never deliver on the variable.
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 18:19
+10 -0
Sounds fishy. SAs don’t have 45 lakhs CTC. SA salaries vary from 25 to 35 all inclusive. Even if your story is true, this year you are going down to 27 lakhs as most people agree no bonuses will be paid for this year whether during or after this year. That’s a steep fall from 63. But SAM zindabad.
SAM Associate 30 Apr 2020, 20:38
+2 -7
Better than being at CAM where I won’t even get the 27!

Anyway burning the midnight oil so hopefully will get a significant portion of the variable pay... the family is fair like that....
Guest 007 30 Apr 2020, 15:36
+4 -0
Bhai kaunsi team mein ho? You are at A3 level/ SA?
Disgust 1 May 2020, 10:57
+13 -3
And that’s how being in SAM - you learnt to pay more respect to the Shroffs that your own Dad by publicly making a mockery of him.
NotALawyer 30 Apr 2020, 18:07
+2 -1
Section 44AD padhe ho? He is entitled to reduce 30 lakh as business expense without having to do any audit to showing any expense. Try to reach taxable limit before commenting about tax applicable at these levels.
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 18:24
+2 -0
That’s why I said if he is honest. No requirement of audit doesn’t mean you can just “claim” non existent business expenses. How does a SA have 30 lakhs as business expense please explain. Don’t start counting his house rent or depreciation on personal car (which is obviously not solely used for office) or non-work foreign trips.
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 18:32
+3 -1
For professionals, 44AD is not available. They may use 44ADA but only if gross receipts don’t exceed 50 lakhs. The SA in question won’t be able to use 44ADA.
????? 30 Apr 2020, 04:41
+28 -1
FAKE. Just too many loop holes. 60:40 split for associate? Associate making 63 lacs? Diwali bonus for associate? Guy publicly telling his exact salary, his target, his actual recovery, his actual take home (a simple search on the excel sheet by his higher-ups will reveal him internally)?

A guy earning 63 at associate level (which means he is brilliant) will not be so stupid to publicly reveal his identity. Plus, the language is not crisp (no pun intended) - a guy with his brilliance will not write like this. These guys (brilliant guys) are just hard coded/ programmed to produce good work product, be it at office or on LI comments section!

(P.S. - I dont know the dynamics of RM's team, so wouldn't comment on that)
Inside credit 30 Apr 2020, 06:17
+0 -2
I think this person may be a PA at the higher level as someone on LI had previously posted that PAs can earn as much in SAM if they have performed well throughout their tenure. The data provided checks out with publicly available information
Guest 007 30 Apr 2020, 15:34
+2 -0
Not possible! He is 27.
Sammite 30 Apr 2020, 07:18
+6 -0
Think he meant associate as in "not a partner". This is accurate for first year PAs.
Curious Boy 10 Jun 2020, 16:28
+0 -0
if anyone from the inside can share the the salary structure of SA, PA and Salaried Partners? Please don't inflate the figures, it will just spread misinformation which is not going to hep anyone.
Extreme Silence 29 Apr 2020, 13:44
+4 -1
Why is there still complete silence on promotions?? At least other firms have clarified their stance on whether to expect promotions or not and are not keeping peope hanging on tenterhooks
paisa 29 Apr 2020, 14:08
+4 -1
Sam always announced promotion mid year, August and the like. So anyway it's too early too expect them.

And in all honesty expecting realistic promotions this year will imply increase in targets which am guessing is not going to be an option. Unless things change dramatically most firms will not be offering much by way of promotions/increments.
Luthra Truth 3 May 2020, 10:55
+4 -1
Luthra just announced [...]
Scooter lie 3 May 2020, 17:20
+0 -3
Complete BS and here is a good example of Truth telling a lie.
Luthra L&L 29 Apr 2020, 14:12
+12 -3
Luthra is not doing any pay cuts or any holding back of increments and bonuses. People will now see the true magnanimous Luthra! :)
Scooter- 29 Apr 2020, 16:03
+14 -9
2022- Luthra who?
29 Apr 2020, 15:42
+6 -0
This seems to be the fairest amongst all firms that have reported cuts.

Bonus is anyways tied to performance, nothing new there.

The only difference is timing of payment, and a part of it will be paid in the next year - so, in effect there is no cut!

And high performers still have the ability to get more than 100% bonus.

Not sure why the comment section is so riled up.

It’s the post COVID-19 world. Deal with it like adults!
Amitabh Bacchan 29 Apr 2020, 16:24
+8 -10
Luthra is the best of the best ! Sam and Cam together are less than Luthra. Jio Luthra
Main Banega Crorepati 29 Apr 2020, 18:08
+15 -6
This is becoming embarrassing for Luthra.
Abhishek Bacchan 29 Apr 2020, 19:09
+17 -2
This is not a PR platform. Is Luthra bonus now contingent on firm publicity?
Tbh 29 Apr 2020, 20:01
+7 -0
To be honest, if Luthra actually manages to not cut any salary and provide the bonus and increments; must admit that is very commendable.
Millionaire 30 Apr 2020, 12:48
+2 -0
The salary cuts may have become necessary for survival. Maybe the firms which have or are going to announce pay cuts have a genuine cash flow problem and their very survival as a firm may depend on such cuts. Cut or perish! Possibly KCO and SAM have better cash flow management and they are confident that work in the near future will not be affected. These are testing times for survival and a business will do anything to survive.
Guest 29 Apr 2020, 16:31
+31 -13
So much whining across all these threads about how much people earning 15-25 lakhs per month are going to earn only 12-18 lakhs per month during an ongoing global pandemic that is robbing people across the world their lives and livelihood! Cry me a river! The entitled one percent and all. Let's get one thing straight about the law firms and their owners. They have always done what serves them (and only them) the best, and exactly what they want to do. They are still doing it and they would continue doing it always. You cannot possibly be so naive as to think that the crisis would have turned them into humanitarians. If you don't want to work under them, then don't. If you can't get another job right now, then wait and bide your time. But don't whine about how they owe their wealth to you and have a duty of care to you. Because they don't. If you leave the job, there would be plenty of other fishes in the sea to be fried in their own oil. So they can afford to do whatever they want to for as long they want to. Get on with the programme or leave the programme, simple! So far you have been mostly the beneficiary of an immensely skewed and inequitable relationship and business structure, so no use whining when that system and the people running the show look out for themselves and not you when the going gets tough. The comments thread have become a place for you to vent your frustration, that's all.
Yo 29 Apr 2020, 17:56
+14 -6
I think you entered the wrong URL. The website you are looking for is https://kafila.online/
Funny 30 Apr 2020, 05:25
+5 -0
Good one Yo!

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WEll 29 Apr 2020, 17:57
+1 -1
Can someone, in very simple terms, just compare the 3 announced cuts (ie CAM, KCO and SAM). Just rank them by who has cut the least, the middle and the most. Please.
Simply put 30 Apr 2020, 03:46
+1 -0
CAM has cut salary. The portion of fixed pay shifted to variable pay or bonus is not guaranteed. But it will be paid as discretionary bonus depending on the performance of the firm and the individual. Associates and partners will effectively get paid less than what they were being paid.

KCO has not cut salary for associates and non-equity partners. Equity partners will be taking a cut of 20% from their fixed pay.

SAM has not cut salary for any one. The fixed pay will not be reduced. They have hinted that increments may not be given.
?????? 30 Apr 2020, 07:27
+0 -0
Bonus payouts in any firm depend on the overall performance of firm, the team and the individual. Can any associates in any firm claim or demand bonus? How does one come to know what to demand? Variable payouts in this FY-21 are likely to be lesser than other years looking at the overall economy unless economy improves drastically. Possibility is that many firms may not make any payments or make negligible payments if business not generated. Comparison must be made between firms depending on whether fixed pay has been increased / kept constant / reduced.
Reply 30 Apr 2020, 04:54
+4 -4
SAM Associate / SP: No cut in fixed. Variable Bonus now depends on firm performance and not just individual performance. Targets are the same as last year. So a good SP who has 50:50 ratio of variable and fixed will find it very difficult to meet last year's targets. Assuming CTC is Rs. 100, will get 50 Rupees for sure. Remaining 50 is completely up in the air as only the Shroffs are privy to firm performance. So bonus for this year is completely arbitrary. Difficult to plan, as you will know only in March where you stand. Meritorious people may lose out and free riders may benefit.

CAM Associate / SP : Portion of fixed is moved to variable. Depending on individual (and not firm) performance variable will be released. Targets are much lesser than last year. So a good SP who has 50:50 ratio of variable and fixed will find it easier to meet targets. Assuming CTC is Rs. 100, will get 35 Rupees for sure. Since his variable is not dependent on firm performance, if he meets his reduced target, easy for him to demand his additional 65 Rupees based on the transparent parameters. This will reward meritorious people and avoid free riding. If covid crisis is short term, the deferred fixed will be rolled back as promised to all.

SAM and CAM EP - SAM EP taking monthly payouts. CAM equity is not doing so. Go figure.

KCO - more will come. Too soon to judge.
What even 30 Apr 2020, 06:33
+2 -1
When has CAM said that it is going to reduce targets? It is also established that SAM has a more predictable method of calculating variable component as compared to CAM.
Dig Deeper 29 Apr 2020, 18:18
+11 -2
There is no need to prefix pandemic with "global", FYI.
Lol 30 Apr 2020, 10:34
+4 -1
Tell that to Modi Ji and his Vaishwik Mahamari.
Bhakt 30 Apr 2020, 22:31
+8 -1
Mahamari is epidemic - vaishwik mahamari is pandemic - you congi troll
Plz 1 May 2020, 07:37
+0 -6
Can your tribe start demanding action on the economic front if y'all are done with the bigotry

Could really use some vikaas, even if it's a few years late now
Guest 1 May 2020, 10:26
+2 -4
Achhe din is here already. Ask Corona virus, who's just copying our PM's foreign travel itinerary.
bhakts everywhere 1 May 2020, 18:16
+2 -0
keep spreading your canards - and just be happy that u were in India when shit hit the fan - ur bigotry bs is good for troll and liar - will not work here.
Plz 1 May 2020, 19:07
+0 -1
It won't work here? Shit :(
Skeptic 29 Apr 2020, 19:13
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I understand that you feel frustrated yourself. However, kindly understand that we are all trying to get through these tough times by sharing information and gossiping a little. It is unkind of you to dismiss our valid (in terms of its effects on our lives) concerns as first world problems essentially.
Guest 30 Apr 2020, 14:00
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I see your valid concern and raise it to the level of zero fucks that I give.
Guest16 30 Apr 2020, 09:17
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To everyone who's downvoting or criticising my original comment 16, I care as much as Cyril, Shariful or any other firm owner cares about the bleatings of their associates. Goes to prove my point even further. Those people would do whatever they like to do. There's zilch that you can do about it other than venting here anonymously. If that helps you get rid of the feelings of helplessness, more power to you.
nOPe 30 Apr 2020, 10:17
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In fact, Cyril expressly asked us to "not comment or gossip on LegallyIndia" in his townhall meeting when he announced the cuts. So, clearly he does seem to care.
Guest16 30 Apr 2020, 13:01
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Yes, he's sitting with his eyes glued on the comments section and getting hiccups everytime you are naming him. Get real. You are less than a gnat to him.
Yaman V 30 Apr 2020, 10:00
+1 -1
What you just said is the definition of abuse of dominance
Guest 30 Apr 2020, 14:28
+1 -0
So get Pallavi to file a complaint before CCI.
Sam lawyer 29 Apr 2020, 21:08
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SA and PA Promotions were to be announced on 1st April. They deferred it citing covid. While HR and assessment committee can definitely work during this free time to announce SA and PA promotion.

Its ok not to give increment but they can definitely give promotions on paper. One yr hold on promotion would be disaster and it will very demotivating for ppl expecting promotions specially in firm like SAM where hierarchy is followed as per military standards.
twister 30 Apr 2020, 06:24
+2 -0
Don't SA/PA promotions typically come with big target AND variable hikes at SAM/CAM. Is there someone who anticipates meeting an enhanced target this year?

Promotions should br quite irrelevant - the only gain is a tag, with no money, which is probably the worst of many worlds if it comes with the bigger variable percentage.

Correct me if I am wrong, this is old recollections from my AMSS days.
Sam lawyer 30 Apr 2020, 07:17
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Certainly promotion comes with more targets. That's why it's better to give promotions on paper.
Sam lawyer 2 May 2020, 08:01
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I am a dispute resolution lawyer at SAM who has been extraordinarily busy since the beginning of the lockdown. And expect to meet enhanced targets for the rest of the year because of ongoing arbitrations. So no increments/promotion is a big loss.
Guest 30 Apr 2020, 00:32
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Just as China tried to censor news of Covid, law firms and compromised media (LI, Bar & Bench etc) tried to censor news of how badly the legal economy is doing. People on LI laughed when it was suggested that all NLUs need to unite and meet the law minister to request job creation: National Judicial Service, judicial clerkships etc. Hope you will wake up now.
Gadkari 30 Apr 2020, 02:00
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Why do some entitled people ask 'dont you have savings'? That's as stupid as asking - u never found the 'one' in law school? Take ur judgments and make a quarantine bhartha out of it! Everybody is not equal and neither are their aspirations. So some might be spending on Gucci others might have a family that needs financial support. No, people don't go around discussing their financial woes like you go around advising people to live within ur means! So just chill with judging people on the basis of their fears of a lower monthly salary...and do tell the bosses who are paying you to type such sanctimonious rubbish to pay you less - it's not worth their money
Budget 30 Apr 2020, 04:43
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Yes, absolutely in agreement with @Gadkari. It is unfortunately true that even beyond personal expenses that an individual seeks to undertake, there are several big monthly expenses that corporate lawyers have to foot each month in order to keep up their corporate aura. These range from expensive formal suits/dresses and parlour treatments needed to keep up the outer appearance to the expensive frosted cupcakes that have to be bought for every small occasion or the drinks+dinner arrangement for Friday's or weekends to keep up the corporate ties. Cumulatively these can add up to a lot but are critical to career progression.
Agreed 30 Apr 2020, 07:17
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Amen to Budget. So much of working life at this level is about "networking", which entails appearances and that is not cheap. I know A0s-A2s in my office who are probably saving so little, it might seem obscene. And mind you, these aren't people from affluent backgrounds for whom the job is just something they do to occupy their time. These are youngsters who want to make a name for themselves in the profession, from solid middle-class families.
Vespa 6 May 2020, 17:03
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Networking at A0-A2 levels? Clearly things have changed since I was at those levels.
Former associate 30 Apr 2020, 05:49
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All law firms are in deep trouble. If any of you think that SAM and CAM and others are going to structure their ways such that at the end of a terrible year the associates get their full pay and partners don't, then you are smoking weird stuff.. Read between all lines, FY21 is a terrible year and none of you are going to get even half of your bonus, By March 2021 if you still have your job and have not got a cut in your fixed pay, consider yourself lucky.
Count Dracula 30 Apr 2020, 06:02
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Targets are a multiple of CTC, so targets in CAM will not magically reduce because fixed has been categorised as variable. Variable is of course dependent on firm performance, this year even more than the previous ones. Don't know who whispered in your ear saying it is not. "Easy for him to demand", "transparent parameters" and "as promised". Clearly you are a traveller from a parallel universe. Please go back to your world before the entire multiverse crashes down because of your adventures.
?????? 30 Apr 2020, 07:51
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Unless business improves in the latter part of the year bonus payments by any firm is going to be meagre. At this moment, no one is expecting any bumper bonus. CTC may remain constant on paper but the payments received will be much lower compared to previous years due to lower bonuses. Targets will be same or more but effective payments will be less.
Guest 30 Apr 2020, 09:11
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I will be asking this again since all of you are so active on this thread

1. How much A0, A1, A2, A3 and SA1 make?
2. How much is the bonus for a fresher and how much does it increase each year?

Plase, please answer it. It won't take a lot of your effort.

Will be very very grateful
Great quessn 1 May 2020, 17:57
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At SAM last year, it was 15 LPA
JSA about 10 LPA for a Junior Associate
Trilegal is a 15.5 LPA
AZB is at 17 LPA
Khaitan is at 16
Clarify 1 May 2020, 19:17
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Thanks for the breakdown. This is really helpful. Do you have any insight about how much of the CTC of A0s as you have mentioned is comprised of variable component? I ask since as far as I recall as of last year in Khaitan the take home monthly was 1.08 lakhs for A0s
A0 4 Nov 2020, 19:21
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Khaitan is not 16
These guys have decreased the base pay now to 14.4 and that too no bonus for this year.
Coolsis 5 Nov 2020, 07:23
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Any idea if S&R and AZB pay more than CAM /SAM / KCO to A0? If yes, how much is the difference?
Okboomer 30 Apr 2020, 10:02
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1. 16, 18, 20-22, 22-26 lakhs per annum all inclusive
2. Depends on firm, city, team, fresher’s performance, team’s performance, office performance and finally firm’s performance. In first 4 years, bonus can vary from 50,000 to 5 lakhs.

ITS NOT IMPORTANT HOW MUCH U MAKE IN FIRST 4 YEARS. If you can stick around for 4 more years, you will have an opportunity to earn 5 lakhs a month!!
Nostalgia 30 Apr 2020, 12:04
+1 -0
Last year A0s were offered 15 lakhs though
Rishi and Irrfan 30 Apr 2020, 10:53
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Sab moh maya hai...world is coming to an end...at the end.."nothing really matters"..., your fancy cars are just parked, money in the bank is hardly being spent, fancy houses and real estate assets price will move southwards, at the end of its all..you will realise that that you dont really need that much money...talk to family (that you have mostly taken for granted) ..talk to friends and well wishers ...who have been good to you...be empathetic and generous...to help people who are suffering...

Blow a kiss, fire a gun
We need someone to lean on
Blow a kiss, fire a gun
All we need is somebody to lean on
Wasabi 30 Apr 2020, 14:36
+1 -0
Now that the story from Trilegal has also come though, what do AZB and JSA have up their sleeves?
Coffee spill 30 Apr 2020, 15:17
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What did Trilegal decide? Are they still holding a resort induction for Freshers?
NLU 30 Apr 2020, 17:23
+2 -6
Seniors who are from NLU.... Please ensure we get jobs and they don't go to private college folk
Guest 30 Apr 2020, 18:14
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Why? If the students from private colleges are worse than you in terms of quality, the jobs would come to you anyway. If they are better than you, then your college alone shouldn't be the reason why you should get those jobs over them.
Sjkrj 30 Apr 2020, 19:34
+1 -0
I'm ready to bet my kidney that this is not from an NLU.
Guest 1 May 2020, 10:28
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What's the ongoing market rate for a kidney?
Coffee spill 30 Apr 2020, 18:55
+1 -1
Lately there have been some paralegal positions in SAM, with some foreign law graduates also taking up these positions full time prior to their transition to associates. What is the pay range for a paralegal and how are they selected? What is the impact of SAM's coronavirus position on paralegals? Also how are paralegals treated by the associate population? Would be great if someone could throw some light on this aspect as well!
Kurt kobain 2 May 2020, 17:10
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Paralegals at SAM are paid 30k, although don't join such a position promotions are a scam
Luthra & Luthra 1 May 2020, 11:27
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Mohit Saraf just announced that the firm will not be doing any pay cuts, No bonus reduction and the firm will operate as normal. The firm has sufficient cash reserves to tide over.

Proud! Magnanimous Luthra!
Same person 9 May 2020, 00:01
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I think this is the same guy repeating quite similar comments for Luthra again and again on this thread. Wassup bro, so much brooding down there. Do you intend that some bashing happens for Luthra here?
Suffering@sam 28 May 2020, 11:58
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dont care about money - just make life liveable (atleast allow associates to sleep one day/week for 7 hours).
WFH end now! 30 May 2020, 16:35
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Has SAM paid bonus yet?