Is lit now trendy? 42 NLSIU graduates get desk jobs as 20 opt for bar, judiciary, civil service

NLSIU Bangalore
NLSIU Bangalore
NLSIU Bangalore’s class of 77 graduates this year secured 42 jobs - 30 through campus, 11 via pre-placement offers (PPO) and one off campus by a student’s own initiative.

21 out of the 42 jobs were highly-paid and competitive Big Six law firm roles on the back of 10 PPOs, while four jobs were with the even more lucrative foreign law firms.

A total of 45 students participated in campus placement activities, also yielding two qualifications for fellowships (LAMP and Young India), and one teaching position.

Of the students who did not participate in the recruitment cell’s activities, six graduates have enrolled in LLMs, nine will pursue careers in litigation and 11 will sit for judicial services or civil services exams.

Out of those joining the bar, three are practising in the Supreme Court, four in the high courts, one in the trial courts and one in Nepal.

In 2012, NLSIU Bangalore grads secured 46 jobs out of a graduating class of only 65, with 25 heading to Big Six law firms.

In 2012, only six opted to forge a career in litigation with one going for judicial services exams and six taking other competitive exams.

NLSIU did not disclose its final recruitment figures in 2013.

At other top colleges, Big Six jobs made up 25 out of 72 jobs bagged by NUJS 2014 graduates, and 26 out of 71 jobs bagged by Nalsar 2014 graduates.

One recruitment cell member commented that the increase in students going to the bar or sitting judicial or civil service exams was not a trend, but it was about preferences. “More people want to be a part of the system directly. And it should be taken as a positive that so many students have decided to take up litigation and govt/judicial services preparations.”

Editor’s note: We are reaching out to other 2014 recruitment committees who have now graduated. NLU Delhi’s RCC has not yet responded to us despite repeated calls and emails over the last month. We are hopeful that RGNUL Patiala, GNLU Gandhinagar, Christ Bangalore and NLU Jodhpur will disclose soon. Please get in touch with us at to arrange sharing any college’s final figures.

Domestic law firms

Out of 23 total law firm jobs, 11 were through PPOs. Amarchand Mangaldas, Luthra & Luthra and Khaitan & Co were tied at the spot of the heaviest recruiter, although Khaitan did not hire from campus.

Other than the Big Six, S&R Associates and Clasis Law hired graduates.

FirmJobs
Amarchand5 (2 PPO)
Trilegal4 (1 PPO)
JSA1
Khaitan5 (PPO)
Luthra5 (1 PPO)
AZB1 (PPO)
S&R1 (PPO)
Clasis Law1

Foreign law firms

Allen & Overy, which recruited one graduate each from NUJS and Nalsar this year also recruited one graduate from NLSIU. Herbert Smith, which recruited two graduates from NUJS this year and no one from Nalsar, recruited the heaviest at NLSIU.

FirmJobs
Allen & Overy1
Herbert Smith3
Quinn Emanuel (Internship)1

Corporates

Eight corporates recruited 11 graduates from campus and a competition advisory consultancy recruited one graduate through independent efforts.

OrganisationJobs
Powergrid1
Deutsche1
Cipla2
Tech Mahindra1
Hinduja1
ICICI2
Infosys1
Mckinsey2
Competition Advisory Services(LLP)1 (Off campus)

NLSIU 2014 graduating batch – full placement figures

Allen & Overy1
Herbert Smith3
Quinn Emanuel (Internship)1
Amarchand5
Trilegal4
JSA1
Khaitan5
Luthra5
AZB1
S&R1
Clasis Law1
Powergrid1
Deutsche1
Cipla2
Tech Mahindra1
Hinduja1
ICICI2
Infosys1
McKinsey2
Competition Advisory Services (LLP)1 (off campus)
Young India Fellowship1
LAMP1
Civil and Judicial Services preparation11
Litigation9
LLM6
NETIIT (Education policy)1
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Comments

ishqiyaa 23 Aug 2014, 01:25
+74 -5
"Tumhara ishq ishq, humara ishq sex!" Poorer colleges more students going to litigation is horrible recruitment..but the same situation in one of the top schools is "trendy"! :D
oh man! 23 Aug 2014, 02:21
+23 -6
Seriously, LI? Just because a few kids want to do lit, they establish/reinforce a trend?

FYI, lit has always been mainstream lawyering - so it can't be a 'trend'. Also, stop reporting news in such a manner that you depict only nlu-ites as the be-all and end-all of law practice in India.
kianganz 23 Aug 2014, 03:21
+13 -34
You either have very short memory, my friend, or are upset that for years litigation and judicial used to be perceived as the undesirable cousin to desk jobs at law firms only a few years ago.

1. Ask Madhava Menon - he has been perennially upset that students from national law schools almsot exclusively got mopped up by law firms and chose corporate law over litigation and the bench (the purpose of NLUs, according to Menon, was particularly to feed talent back into the litigation system).

2. Ask any NLS, NUJS or Nalsar graduate from 4 years ago, when the markets were great. A small handful from each batch would do litigation, the vast majority would join foreign firms, corporates or domestic firms. An even fewer would do judicial services or civil services exams.

3. Talk to some alumns from the younger colleges: litigation or judicial services was perceived as a second choice for those who couldn't get a job in a law firm, which was the majority (rightly or wrongly).

4. Or read comments on older LI articles on campus recruitment ( http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/campus-recruitment ) - there was talk of RCCs fudging figures by pretending students chose to go into litigation even though the reality was that they couldn't get placed.

5. Subject to the latest NLS figures being accurate, there is definitely a change visible there - almost as many students went into bar or competitive exams, as went into Big Six law firms.

So, you can ask yourself: either
a) law firms are recruiting less in general and kids are forced to do lit, or
b) law firms are recruiting less from NLS in particular, forcing kids to do lit, or
c) more are voluntarily choosing to do lit & courts because certain parts of that career choice have increased their appeal. Maybe it's the fact that the first NLS alum litigators have now become senior counsel, and that there's a fair network NLS has built in the courts?

These figures and this report aren't conclusive, but it's something worth thinking about.

Maybe some NLS graduates can cast some light on this and whether attitudes towards litigation have changed at all?
kianganz 23 Aug 2014, 04:07
+11 -31
Another option, as suggested by @othlaw on Twitter: NLS law students are getting richer and can afford the years of no-pay work of the courts better than before?

Or maybe they're getting more connected and all have uncle judges and uncle advocates?
Lawyer 24 Aug 2014, 18:13
+18 -4
What? What authority is @othlaw? How can students be getting richer? So the cream from CLAT, which generally chooses NLS is always rich? Stupid analogy of the concerned person.
Guest 23 Aug 2014, 06:12
+22 -6
Kian, out of 70,000 students that pass out of law schools every year, 20 odd taking up lit is hardly a trend setter.
The fact that these 20 come from the most elite law school in the country makes zilch of a difference.
Who knows if that was a conscious choice or they were compelled by the circumstances.
To say that whatever these elite law school students do, is the 'in thing',without even verifying, whether the same was done consciously or forced by circumstances, is too delusive.

This looks more like an effort to downplay the bad recruitment figures at NLS this year. Infact, last year's recruitment figures at NLS (apparently, being so bad)were not even disclosed. Of course not disclosing (bad) recruitment figures for 2 consecutive years was not an option. So this ploy of playing it cool??
AA 23 Aug 2014, 17:10
+0 -0
How is it the most 'elite' law school?
Lawyer 24 Aug 2014, 18:20
+9 -10
Wow! Out of 70,000, 20 choose lit. You deserve a nobel!
from 23 Aug 2014, 19:12
+7 -8
It is kind of true that there is a growing interest in litigation at NLS. Interestingly, several students who do express keen interest in litigation are not preferred by certain Big Six firms. In fact there are people at NLS, NUJS and NALSAR (I only know examples from them), where students have preferred litigation over offers from international and Indian law firms, simply because they feel that their time is better invested in building their practice in litigation. And a brief survey of students who take up law firm jobs also indicates and increasing number of them are moving into litigation over a span of 1-3 years on average.
O Please 25 Aug 2014, 12:33
+6 -0
Many have left foreign firms to come back and litigate, but nobody leaves a foreign job offer to litigate without going abroad for a bit. Why would a person who is smart enough to land a foreign job reject it after applying?
from 25 Aug 2014, 19:08
+1 -0
Well the "smart" people who get the foreign job are also smart enough to realize that there is no harm in gaining a foreign law firm experience, albeit a short one, and are "smart" enough to be clear about their choices right from the beginning. Well, if you know anything about what's happened at the top 3 colleges in the past 3-4 years, you would definitely have noticed these cases.
O Please 1 Sept 2014, 06:15
+0 -0
That is exactly what I said. Many graduates who are smart enough to land a foreign firm job return after the TC to do litigation, but nobody rejects a TC offer to start litigating earlier which 2.1.3 seemed to suggest.

Please read the comment before responding.
Speculative journalism? 23 Aug 2014, 04:26
+25 -0
9 students in a class of 77 opting for litigation would be anything but trendy Kian. Moreover, did you interview these people or the CRC to know why these 9 kids joined litigation instead of law firms? Without that knowledge, you cannot be establishing facts accurately? So litigation becoming trendy is 50-50, no? Which means your journalism is based on speculation, not true facts. Which means, you may think on improving a bit?
kianganz 23 Aug 2014, 05:08
+3 -31
No, you need to read more clearly. We never established it as fact, as you assume - it was posed as a question in the headline, which clearly makes it speculation and a talking point, else we would have written:

Revealed: Lit is now trendy as 42 NLSIU graduates get desk jobs and 20 opt for bar, judiciary, civil service

It's also known as Betteridge's law of headlines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines

However, the fact is that 20 went for lit / competitive exams this year, compared to only 13 several years ago.

Either that's an increase in interest, or a downturn in recruitments.

You say - we don't know yet at this point, but hope to get to the bottom of it...
kianganz 23 Aug 2014, 05:22
+7 -28
Another possible angle to consider is that possibly for the first year ever, are NLS' recruitments arguably a tiny bit worse than its nearest rivals', Nalsar and NUJS.

In any case, it's clear there is little to separate recruitments at NUJS, Nalsar and NLS anymore...

More food for thought... :)
linkies 23 Aug 2014, 07:10
+3 -0
Did Linklaters not recruit from NLSIU for this batch?
Nagarbhavi 25 Aug 2014, 07:22
+2 -4
2 students were offered training contracts, but they chose to reject them.
Linkies II 28 Aug 2014, 12:16
+6 -1
Umm, haha, no they weren't. There were 7 Indian vac schemers, and 5 got the Training Contract. Both students from NLS weren't offered.
hypnotized 23 Aug 2014, 12:52
+16 -6
the bottom half of the class at NLS is now certainly not recruitment material. It was always the case anyway, but the bumper years saw to it that this fact never got advertised. Things have deteriorated in the interim and the revaluation on demand has meant that now no longer you can trust the grades which an interviewee has got. It is better to recruit the top one from the lesser known schools than the bottom rung from these top rung ones who in any measure their compensation figures as against their batchmates and will always be disgruntled that their figures were lower.
int 23 Aug 2014, 16:57
+3 -9
You are quite mistaken. If you actually look at recruitment trends at NLS...a "significant" number in the "lower rung" have landed rather plush offers (some even in international firms). This speaks of the fact that recruiters increasingly are not using grades as the sole indicator of future success. This is also telling of the fact that several students in the "low rung" have actually achieved significant academic/non-academic success. In comparison, the "top rung" in the "lesser known schools" would fair as well as the "lower rung" in law school - without generalizing too much.
@ 5.1 int 1 Sept 2014, 10:14
+0 -1
[b]#5 Hypnotized makes a valid point.[/b]
Can you name [b]any two[/b] students who landed a foreign firm job with a low batch rank? You can't because foreign firms look at a lot of other things but, before that, they want what they call a 2:1 CGPA at minimum.

Yes, a low batch rank may lead to a rather plush job in India, thanks to the great Indian [i]jugaad[/i].

Just to show where you [u]personally[/u] stand, the word in your last line should have been "fare".
pi 23 Aug 2014, 15:05
+18 -0
for the first time kian has written more words in the comments thread than all other commentators put together :D
green lantern 24 Aug 2014, 11:21
+2 -9
The percentage is definintely a trend. A lot of NLS alums clearly recall the numbers that opted for litigation/civils in the late 90s/early 2000s-and these numbers do point to a clear trend which a lot of us, over time removed by years from the new crop, are surprised to spot. Thanks for trend-spotting.
Obvious 24 Aug 2014, 17:37
+10 -9
The obvious key difference with the discussions in relation to lower tier colleges and their recruitment are that these 20 chose not to sit for recruitment at all. Therefore, they aren't, by definition, desk job rejects, and are actually making the choice for litigation. This definitely appears to be a trend.

As to all those asking the question about whether this is news, or a trend, given the small numbers involved, think about it in terms of percentages. If one fourth of the top tier of law graduates in this country are choosing a less lucrative (in the short run) career path, then that's definitely worth discussing (if not celebrating).

Apart from the likelihood that the kids now are richer and, therefore, able to afford the years of no pay, it's very possible that the recent elevation to senior counsel of several NLS grads has created some role models for the current crop to aspire to? Showing them that, uncle or no uncle, you can get to the top of the litigation world on merit?

As an NLS grad who is now at a law firm, here's hoping the trend continues! God knows they're likelier to be happier in litigation :-)
Good 25 Aug 2014, 13:18
+4 -1
Good. Keep it up. And you ought to be at a law firm, as all others are. Or is that a trend too, eh?
Guest 25 Aug 2014, 16:24
+15 -0
[quote name="Obvious"] Showing them that, uncle or no uncle, you can get to the top of the litigation world on merit?
:-)[/quote]

Stupid comment my dear. Most of the NLS alum who are now senior counsel are progeny of judges / senior counsel / etc. So no surprises what are the factors that contribute to senior counselship.

Anyways the poor fools who choose litigation I feel sorry for them because they're pursuing a dream that is simply not practical and throwing away their 20s.
Guest 25 Aug 2014, 17:39
+14 -0
"Most of the NLS alum who are now senior counsel are progeny of judges / senior counsel / etc."
Bang on, dude!
Awake 26 Aug 2014, 12:16
+0 -0
Therir 20s? Are you serious?
Umm no 27 Aug 2014, 10:21
+1 -2
No
maybe in the Punjab, but not in Delhi or namma Bengaluru
Guest 28 Aug 2014, 04:55
+8 -0
[quote name="Umm no"]No
maybe in the Punjab, but not in Delhi or namma Bengaluru[/quote]

Remember Sajan Poovaya who recently became a senior in Bangalore and is one of the poster boys of NLS for that reason? Look up who his dad is. Even others from Karnataka HC's latest crop are sons of judges and other senior counsel.

Many of these "seniors" would have had no practices if their parents were not lawyers. It's a fact. Those who are from non-lawyer families and have succeeded have done so by sheer luck of the draw. For every successful Dayan Krishnan there are a dozen unsuccessful guys.

the rot is just...endemic
rotton 3 Sept 2014, 05:35
+0 -1
the rot starts right from the manipulation of clat
Humroz Muzaffar 24 Aug 2014, 18:20
+4 -0
Does sound a bit strange ..... uttering judicials and civils in the same breath....anyone who's been thru it knows what a heady, exhilarating and amazingly tough exam the CSE is....the judicial services : well its the poor, poor cousin of the CSE! Not saying thats how it shud be but thats the fact today.
gh 25 Aug 2014, 08:30
+0 -0
What law schools are the students persuing masters from?
No dude 25 Aug 2014, 12:40
+1 -4
[quote name="gh"]What law schools are the students persuing masters from?[/quote]
"Persuing"

Sample this:
1. Pursuing
2. Perusing
DJ 25 Aug 2014, 08:56
+8 -3
The headlines is sham to avoid bringing attention to poor recruitment figures. NALSAR and even NUJS have performed much better at least on this count.
Concerned 25 Aug 2014, 10:19
+4 -4
Why waste money at NLS if you want to do lit? Join GLC. Life ban jayegi Boss.
O Please 25 Aug 2014, 12:41
+2 -9
Good one, but you fail to appreciate many good reasons. Hostel fee at any NLU is a pittance in comparison to Mumbai's living costs, which renders a GLC education similarly priced. Other points:
- Some people want to study the law before they litigate
- GLC is busy admitting domicile candidates
- Maharashtra doesn't exactly welcome immigrants
- The state is busy implementing draconian laws, including arrests for "suspiciously" drinking tea
- Drinking in Mumbai requires a permit and cops implement the law whenever they feel like
- The weather of Bangalore is better
And... 25 Aug 2014, 13:20
+9 -6
Add to that: GLC Sucks.
Scooter 102 26 Aug 2014, 10:41
+3 -3
@ O Please

1- They intern and study law in courts/firms, this is how people used to learn law before modern concept of law school came along, not that its bad
2- Most NLUs have domicile quota incase you dont know
3- Maharashta has more immigrants than whole of South combined, and they welcome hard working immigrants just not lazy slobs who suck on states resources and dirty the city
4 & 5 - You can drink whatever you want here, no time limits as well and I am not sure what draconian law you are talking about, I have never been arrested lol
6- Mosoons here are better

YOU SUCK!
O Please 1 Sept 2014, 09:01
+0 -2
[b]I didn't say "GLC Sucks".[/b]

Point wise reply:
1. Extended internships are no way to learn the law, else the top NLUs, or the Harvards/Oxfords, would all be based in metros. Excluding litigation, law firms do not really "teach" law; only practice points.
2. Most top NLUs have no domicile quota and the NLUs which do, do not have massive domicile-quota like GLC.
3. No one is debating whether Maharashtra has immigrants – just what happens on and off to immigrants.
4&5. Yes, you are the sole standard for judging your city; people who get arrested/detained for partying at nightclubs should not be a cause for concern to aspirants/parents.
6. Ha ha ha. Right! Cute.

We are debating why people will prefer a NLU over GLC, especially if they are not from Mumbai/Maharshtra, given that recruitment stats are not so great these days.

GLC is a nice college for a lot of reasons, so don't get upset when you hear criticism on the issues that need to be adressed if GLC wishes to re-gain some lost glory.
Awake 26 Aug 2014, 12:14
+4 -1
Whatever said and done. Litigation is alive and fun. It keeps you interested in your job and excited!
NLIU 27 Aug 2014, 09:32
+0 -1
Why is NLIU not releasing placement figures? Was it so bad that they cannot release?
JGLS fan 27 Aug 2014, 10:36
+0 -0
Why the most expensive 'global' law school not releasing its placement figures? I doubt even 10% students got placed!
NLIU 30 Aug 2014, 04:38
+0 -0
[quote name="JGLS fan"]Why the most expensive 'global' law school not releasing its placement figures? I doubt even 10% students got placed![/quote]

JGLS?