The 2010 Common Law Admissions Test (CLAT) results and provisional allotments have been announced, with 86 per cent of toppers going for the four law schools established before the millennium as younger law schools establish hierarchies.
Out of the top 59 ranks in this year’s undergraduate CLAT, only four students went for a first choice other than NLSIU Bangalore this year, with the seven highest ranks having provisional offers from the school.
This year’s topper Pragya Vats scored 165 points out of 200, with only nine test takers managing more than 160 points. The lower-cut off on the general list was 152 points, excluding reservations for scheduled castes (SC), scheduled tribes (STs), persons with disabilities or others.
The eighth and 31st ranked CLAT takers opted for NUJS instead of NLS Bangalore, while the 14th and 52nd ranked test takers went for Nalsar.
However, Nalsar Hyderabad was the clear favourite second choice of CLAT toppers, with almost all of ranks 60 to 102 choosing the university, which is an average rank of 78th (see table).
NUJS Kolkata was the clear third, with 72 per cent of those ranked between 100 and 205 getting provisional offers from the law school. The average rank of NUJS entrants was 147.
NLIU Bhopal came fourth although it offered only 33 places on the general list while 22 places were reserved for Madhya Pradesh residents. The 33 original list rankings were at a mean of 197, although that figure would increase to 249 with the state reservation, not counting backward classes (OBCs), SC/STs and other reserved places.
The average rank at NLU Jodhpur shows it was firmly the fifth choice amongst CLAT takers, picking up candidates ranked between 109 and 321 with a mean rank of 263 for its batch of 74 excluding reservations.
The field below fifth place was tighter as law schools established after 2003 competed for the same candidates, although an order of preference in choices amongst test takers was definitely visible in the figures.
GNLU Ghandinagar came out on top with an average rank of 389 with a comfortable lead of Nuals Kochi and HNLU Raipur at 442 and 449 respectively.
Nuals Kochi benefited particularly from a number of high-ranked Kerala residents apparently opting to stay nearer to home, picking up ranks 117 and 157.
While HNLU Raipur scored highly on the general list of 52 places being the choice for the 219 to 527 ranks, the average rank when including its domicile reservation ranks excluding SC/STs and others would drop to 1,055.
RMLNLU Lucknow, RGNUL Patiala and CNLU Patna had average ranks of 492, 586 and 631 respectively, with a divergence in test scores between 146 and 136.
Last year’s CLAT paper suffered from considerable grade inflation as the cut-off mark for NLSIU Bangalore was 165 marks with 147 marks for CNLU Patna last year.
NUJS student Ramanuj Mukherjee, who is founder of CLAT Hacker, which uses the internet to prepare students who can not afford CLAT tuition, predicted before the results were announced that the cut-off would be considerably lower this year.
“Last year they had copied extensively from one book and people found the questions similar,” he noted. “If I am happy about one thing this year it is that the questions were originally picked.”
The 2010-2011 CLAT was organised by NLIU Bhopal with around 17,300 taking the test up from around 15,000 last year.
If you have not got the mark you expected do not despair, there are many different places good people can make their mark. Do read this interview and this forum post for inspiration.**
CLAT 2010 facts, figures and cut-offs
| Highest rank | Lowest rank | Avg. rank | High score | Low Score | Avg score | General list places | Founded | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| NLSIU Bangalore | 1 | 59 | 30 | 165 | 152 | 156 | 55 | 1987 |
| Nalsar Hyderabad | 14 | 102 | 78 | 159 | 148 | 150 | 41 | 1998 |
| NUJS Kolkata | 8 | 205 | 146 | 161 | 145 | 147 | 78 | 1999 |
| NLIU Bhopal | 70 | 244 | 197 | 150 | 144 | 145 | 35 | 1997 |
| NLU Jodhpur | 109 | 321 | 263 | 148 | 142 | 143 | 74 | 2001 |
| GNLU Ghandinagar | 112 | 480 | 389 | 148 | 138 | 140 | 79 | 2003 |
| Nuals Kochi | 110 | 581 | 442 | 148 | 137 | 140 | 33 | 2005 |
| HNLU Raipur | 219 | 527 | 449 | 144 | 138 | 139 | 52 | 2003 |
| RMLNLU Lucknow | 151 | 592 | 492 | 146 | 137 | 139 | 80 | 2006 |
| RGNUL Patiala | 207 | 637 | 586 | 145 | 136 | 137 | 48 | 2006 |
| CNLU Patna | 410 | 668 | 631 | 140 | 136 | 136 | 38 | 2006 |
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93 per cent of CLAT toppers opt for NLS; Nalsar, NUJS next in pecking order of age Common Law Admissions Test (CLAT) results and provisional allotments have been announced, with 86 per cent of toppers going for the four law schools established before the millennium with younger law schools establish hierarchy for the rest.
Out of the top 59 ranks in this year’s undergraduate CLAT, only four students went for a first choice other than NLSIU Bangalore this year, with the seven highest ranks having provisional offers from the school.
This year’s topper Pragya Vats scored 165 points out of 200, with only nine test takers managing more than 160 points. The lower-cut off on the general list was 152 points, excluding reservations for scheduled castes (SC), scheduled tribes (STs), persons with disabilities or others.
The eighth and 31st ranked CLAT takers opted for NUJS instead of NLS Bangalore, while the 14th and 52nd ranked test takers went for Nalsar.
However, Nalsar Hyderabad was the clear favourite second choice of CLAT toppers, with almost all of ranks 60 to 102 choosing the university, which is an average rank of 78th.
NUJS Kolkata was the clear third, with 72 per cent of those ranked between 100 and 205 getting provisional offers from the law school. The average rank of NUJS entrants was 147.
NLIU Bhopal came fourth although it offered only 33 places on the general list while 22 places were reserved for Madhya Pradesh residents. The 33 original list rankings were at a mean of 197, although that figure would increase to 249 with the state reservation, not counting backward classes (OBCs), SC/STs and other reserved places.
The average rank at NLU Jodhpur shows it was firmly the fifth choice amongst CLAT takers, picking up candidates ranked between 109 and 321 with a mean rank of 263 for its batch of 74 excluding reservations.
The field below fifth place was tighter as law schools established after 2003 competed for the same candidates, although an order of preference in choices amongst test takers was definitely visible in the figures.
GNLU Ghandinagar came out on top with an average rank of 389 with a comfortable lead of Nuals Kochi and HNLU Raipur at 442 and 449 respectively.
Nuals Kochi benefited particularly from a number of high-ranked Kerala residents apparently opting to stay nearer to home, picking up ranks 117 and 157.
While HNLU Raipur scored highly on the general list of 52 places being the choice for the 219 to 527 ranks, the average rank when including its domicile reservation ranks excluding SC/STs and others would drop to 1,055.
RMLNLU Lucknow, RGNUL Patiala and CNLU Patna had average ranks of 492, 586 and 631 respectively, with a divergence in test scores between 146 and 136.
Last year’s CLAT paper suffered from considerable grade inflation as the cut-off mark for NLSIU Bangalore was 165 marks with 147 marks for CNLU Patna last year.
NUJS student Ramanuj Mukherjee, who is founder of CLAT Hacker, which uses the internet to prepare students who can not afford CLAT tuition, predicted before the results were announced that the cut-off would be considerably lower this year. “Last year they had copied extensively from one book and people found the questions similar,” he said. “If I am happy about one thing this year it is that the questions were originally picked.”
This year’s CLAT was organised by NLIU Bhopal.
Comments
It certainly could've done much better without it, but good to know it's still at par.
As for NUJS, people from Calcutta (both bengalis and non-bengalis) are known to be big intellectual fakes. If you write TOTAL CRAP but cite Upendra Baxi and Amartya Sen and use complex words like "hetero-normative" and "Dworkinian" your professors will give you good marks.
If you want to take this easy path in order to get into foreign law firms and Ivy league colleges, then by all means choose Nalsar and NUJS over NLS. If you want to earn your marks through hard work, choose NLS. It's like this: There are some cricketers who look forward to playing against Bangladesh and others who look forward to playing against Australia on bouncy wickets.
NLIU maitains a good mean rank because the State General list closes at ranks 300-400 which is considerably higher than the National General for HNLU/GNLU and comparable to National General of NLU Jodhpur.
Now nliu MAY (i say this only because YOU can't accept the fact that at least one 5th year batch from among all law schools did have the guts to go for litigation and UPSC, and this includes the topper of that batch) have had a bad year... but NLU Jodhpur was no better (as you can see in the charts).
i hope the paper made by NUJS would touch some standard which every NLUite..... is expected to have.....
nevertheless heartiest congratulations to all the people having cleared the paper.... n welcome to the LAW FRATERNITY...!!!!
let's compare NLS' system to ours. Their max grade is 7, ours is 8, and that's all. The grades up to A+ are exactly the same. They get O at 70, we get O at 80. Ultimately, for Harvard/Yale etc, your CGPA is scaled to be out of 4.
Also, I hope you've heard of relative scoring. Even if you get a 7.8, if 30 people have 7.9, your inflated score doesn't really matter.
VP Singh, Arjun Singh and the dravidian parties are [...] than Dawood Ibrahim.
whoever told you about the scoring in Nalsar, clearly dint finish.
A is a grade on the lower level. Toppers get D and O's.
Every college has its own assessment criteria. An A or a A+ does not mean everyone is scoring high.
Please dont make foolish statements without any correct information to back it up.
i totally agree with you regarding the deteriorating nature of clat papers...
the 2009 paper was very simple - agreed, but the 2010 paper was even worse.
GK section was tough but it was so tough that chances of getting it right were equal for those who had prepared and those who hadn't.
the math section which generally had quesitons on topics like time and work, percentage, profit and loss - this time had questions testing whether the number were prime or not, what is the square of 17... and other elementary stuff.
the math paper was never suppose to be a challenge but it was something that increased the time crunch- which was absent this time ...
compare clat to papers of nlud and nluo and you see the difference.
if clat has to earn prestige and admit quality students into nlu then it must increase the difficulty and also introduce -ve marking.
i also agree with the the first post, i would have anyday preferred the separate paper system - atleast i wouldnt have to wait a year for a second chance ...
Your analysis is clearly wrong, dude.
"The more the quantum of general category students, the lower! the rank"
Alright, so you're saying that if NLIU's general category seats wouldve have closed at 55 instead of 33, it wouldve had lower ranked students than the MP Quota students selected above other students dude to reservation.
It doesnt make sense to me.
Let me give you an example which will help you understand
Suppose college A has 50 seats in general category and the 50th ranker's score is 150 and college B has 70 seats in general category, then obviously the 70th ranker's score will be less than 150, right?
lower rank means lower average as well
I hope u have understood now...if not the tell me, I will ask Legal Poet or Bihari Babu to explain it to you
So wat should i expect?
Alumni & current students .. some insights please!
So wat should i expect?
Alumni & current students .. some insights please!
Dude u r gonna have a totally unimaginable experience.
NLSIU is not only an ACADEMIC institution as der is lot more than ACADEMICS.Its a rocking place for ppl who r enthusiastic.
One thing is guaranteed that at the end of the course u will definitely be "SMART" if nothing else.
Der is lot in store for u my dear friend.
P.S.-But be prepared to put in lot of hard work, easy survival is not possible..
Expect cool seniors and a great mooting culture. Add to that some of the most brilliant professors in the country.
Even with the MP Quota included, NLIU had a mean rank higher than NLU J.
Now NLIU has reservations, NLUJ doesnt. NLIU still has a mean rank (including MP quota students) higher than NLUJ, thats what I think is commendable.
Also, look at it in light of the other colleges with state reservations, HNLU's mean rank drops to 1055, GNLU's mean rank is already at a 389 and its bound to take a minimum plunge of 700 if domicile ranks are considered.
NLIU on the other hand has a domicile included mean rank putting itself at the same position as it would be only considering General All India Students.
That is commendable.
if GNLU and HNLU's domicile is taken in, their pref. rank in the table drops from 6 and 8th respectively to the end of the table.
NLIU remains at 4th, even if dom. is taken in.
I think that is what you're trying to say 31
1. Moots- See the MPL rankings
2. Placements- Compare the placement figures given to LI and see the number of people who got into top firms from both the colleges
3. Infrastructure- Both are comparable though arguably NLU is slightly better
4. Student quality- NLIU has 50% state reservations. That is bound to affect quality
Yet another Jodhpur wannabe ... if you go through the comments...
NLIU General (State + National) is better than Jodhpur national ... beat that now.. and with a batch of 100 against NLIU's batch of 70-75... you placed only an equal number of people... thats a shame now !
This year SOEL performed well in mooting ... does that make it a competitor to NLU or NUJS ?
1. 1 year of Mooting doesnt prove anything with respect to the quality of the institution. NLU did great this year, doesnt mean it automatically becomes better.
2. Placements, total people versus placements, NLIU did better. Top firms. AMS NLIU-3, NLUJ -4. Doesnt say much.
3. That is an assertion. But you do have a great mess system.
4. Yes the reservation affects student quality, funny thing is, MP domicile included, the now deteriorated student quality is still better than NLU-J. (look at the mean rank of NLUJ versus the mean rank of NLIU with reservations)
And also, even with the State reservations included, NLIU is still at rank 4 in the above, if that wasnt happening, maybe the point on the deterioration of student quality wouldve stood.
Lets stop arguing.
Both the colleges arent in the top 3. And thats what NLUJ should aim for too.
bt one thing.....is the difference btwn NLSIU n NALSAR tht profound????
i also hot AIR 2 in NLU Delhi but obviously m choosing NALSAR..suggestions and advice pls...
@39: be ready for as awesome campus, a good hostel life and "friendly interaction" with seniors. Also try to learn how to balance more than one plate and glass , this will come handy.(sounds funny now but when you come you will realixe its importantance)
My purpose here is not so much to show that NUJS faculty is light years ahead of others - but to politely suggest to all those who wish to rank law schools to kindly keep the most important factor in mind - the quality and performance of faculty. I hope the new entrants will take note of this.
u make a good point that NLUJ is still not in the top 3 and that is what it should be aiming for anyway. but the top 3 do hv the advantage of being slightly older and in bigger cities... esp NUJS being in the heart of the city must hv it easier to attract good faculty and keeping it there. When i wrote my entrances, more than college ranking, the city where the col was situated was an important criteria... so much so that i even thot of applyin to symbi!!!
anyway, i guess the question between who is better between NLIU and NLUJ is not even debatable... NLUJ is doing very well even though it was established arnd 4 yrs after NLIU. as for placements.. AMSS - 4, Luthra - 6 and Trilegal - 6 if wanted to talk abt the top firms. include 1 in ashurst also. mooting has always been a strong point of NLUJ especially when you consider the fact that no 1 student is allowed to go for more than 1 moot in a sem.. unlike other colleges where only a handful are trained for mooting and the same team goes for every competition.
we obviously are better informed than the freshers who appeared for CLAT and thus, we cant base the entire ranking on their choices alone.
Ultimately, it boils down to yr own ability. There are ppl from NLS who are doing loser jobs and ppl from so-called "bad" colleges like Punjab University who have been extremely successful (e.g. Sonia Baldia, partner at Mayer Brown in Washington and an excellent lawyer).
If you compare the faculty at NALSAR, NUJS and NLS it's almost the same. A few Oxford/Harvard grads, but mostly [...] (don't censor this LI, you know it's true [sorry - Ed]). I assure you that most teachers in India are crap (except Jindal, which has a very good faculty but is expensive).
So now we're using the PREFERENCE ORDER of wannabe law students as judging criteria for how good law schools are?
For all those who suggest this, I must then state the obvious -
1. Shouldn't it matter that NUJS recently hiked its fee and that for the same general category student, the annual fee for NUJS would work out to Rs 2.2 lakhs / annum while it would be Rs 1.5 lakhs for NALSAR (estimates).
2. Shouldn't it matter that entrants may be misinformed and influenced by unchecked flow of information such as advertisements (which only a handful of law schools take out, not including NUJS)? Opinions based on rumored perceptions is what makes some private universities such as Amity attract tonnes of applications every year.
3. Shouldn't it matter that entrants may have other demographic preferences? Next year, if 90 out of the top 120 students are from Bengal and choose to study in Calcutta, will you then turn around and claim that NUJS has overthrown NLS and NALSAR as the 'better' law school? There is clearly a difference in between a ranking order based on quality and one which is based on preference.
4. Also, I don't understand what the fuss is about. The difference in the average marks is minimal. It may mean a lot of RANKS and a large number of students. But it isn't something you could judge a student's legal acumen / capability on. Just because a student scored 150 (NALSAR Average) and another scored 147 (NUJS Average), it is foolish to say that one is superior or inferior to another as a law student.
I just hope that the sensible magazines and newspapers (I exclude Indi Today from this list) who are yet to come out with there own rankings take these into account and don't just blindly base law school rankings based on these preference orders.
Lakhs of students apply to DU every year, choosing it over all other universities whether domestic or foreign. Only thousands apply to the Ivy league schools. There are several factors which cannot be overlooked - personal preferences, accessibility, available information, etc.
Check your facts.
I think the post on faculty quality merits attention. I dont know how the faculty in top 3 law schools compares currently. But I know that NUJS certainly has seen an influx of good faculty members during Prof. Singh's tenure. You can check the profiles on http://nujs.edu. This improvement is manifest both in terms of reasearch and class room teaching. Your statement that "lawschool faculty is crap" may be true in context of your law school, but do not speak about NUJS if you do not know the facts.
Also, look at the position of NUJS Law Review in the Washing and Lee Rankings (1st with 100 points; second is IJIL with some 16 or 17 points).
1)The total number of students who took the exam was 16,350.
2) Marks scored ranged from 0 to 165. Those scoring above 136 - about 670 out of 16,350 (General category)were shortlisted
3) This post is about three NLUs specifically- NLS, NUJS and NALSAR- put together there are 174 seats in General category - 174 / 16,350 is quite an achievement.
4) If you think solely on account of there being no negative marks, CLAT is an easy exam to crack, try solving the paper yourself.
As far as the NLIU-NLU,J comparison is concerned, I may be biased given I am from NLU,J, but when I attended a conference in NLIU last year in December; I was surprised by the atrocious standard of students there. (Unbelievably, we, who were their guests and brother law students, were threatened physically...what was even more astounding was the threat by their professor, Mr. [...], that if we were from NLIU, he'd have slapped us!!! Such professors and students seemed better placed in a third rate laaaw callege, rather than a supposed "National Law School")
It was not only that the students didnt seem impressive (and, in my opinion, a Law School student can (or rather should) be easily distinguished by his presence, which NLIU students didn't seem to possess), but they created such a big hassles for petty little matters, inspite of having spoken to them about the same.
I was told there, that as a Law student, I should not have gone by the oral representation (made by them!!), but should have ensured written confirmation. Not surprisingly, all this brouhaha was about a silly certificate which was finally cleared by their convenor, after a promise to "keep it ourselves".
NALSAR annual fee is around 1.4 lakhs and NUJS annual fee is around 2.2 lakhs which makes it 1 and a half times that of NALSAR. I would choose NALSAR over NUJS and save myself all that money too..
I didn't believe it when I read it.
Shame brother. You're getting personal.
I am from NLIU.
And god bless all our recruiters if we are a third degree law school, because they did pick us up for jobs good enough for a national law school. Obviously, they are better judges than you.
And again, it's a shame you've posted it.
mean ranks of the CLAT have no bearing on the quality of the law school. judging college by what law aspirants prefer is a ridiculous idea. i'm not debating on whats better, but really, your idea of a good law school should be based on more concrete parameters than mean ranks of CLAT, which dont indicate much, because must CLAT aspirants dont make a very informed choice. base your argumetns on infrastructure , faculty, students and placement, and that might still make a decent argument.
"It was not only that the students didnt seem impressive (and, in my opinion, a Law School student can (or rather should) be easily distinguished by his presence, which NLIU students didn't seem to possess), but they created such a big hassles for petty little matters, inspite of having spoken to them about the same."
Obviously dude, a Jodhpur guy would seriously question the charisma of the students of a university where even the State General List scores a better mean rank than your National List...
Now I guess people at Jodhpur can be impressed only when all students of the other college are from ROYAl families (prerequisite to enter your university aint it ) ?
I have read CLAT brochure many times. No where it says that CLAT is ONLY for the NLSIU, NUJS, NALSAR. Who are you to say determine your achievement? Going by your argument, 4 Lacs appear just for IIM Ahmedabad and Bangalore and 3 lacs appear just for IIT Bombay/Delhi? So top 1000 ranks for both IITs is "quite an acheivement"? Right?
Atleast argue with sense and facts. Now i can imagine why bar council needs a bar exam desperately. I hope they put some "Logical reasoning" section in it.
The article mentions 17300 students. I stick to that ASSUMING that you did not go to each centre for counting the candidates, nor are such figures available on CLAT website.
Who told you that only General category students need to pass the exam? Are they some special people? Do other students get admissions via shops without giving exams? Again this is not mentioned in the CLAT brochure.
Scoring 136/200 big feat? It seems that marks were freely distributed. Try scoring 136 marks in IAS/IIT/AIEEE/PMT Paper (ALL with NEGATIVE marking).
And i know that as arguing non sense is your birth right, you will definitely respond again with some illogical mathematical reasoning. Thats why India desperately need some foreign law firms and a good logical BAR Exam. Its high time.
2) Saying that the top 170 odd kids (out of 16 thousand odd candidates) are smart does not mean they took the exam ONLY for certain institutes - Logical Reasoning at work - check your own proficiency in Logic before sermonising;
3) Just because I referred to General Category students (as an illustration) does not mean other category students don't need to clear the exam - again, Logical Reasoning at work - it's you who's drawing inappropriate conclusions - my advice to you: same as above;
4)Don't cite IAS exam here - it's not a graduate entrance examination - draw appropriate analogies- again, Logical Reasoning at work - my advice to you: same as above;
5) No where in my earlier post did I compare CLAT with any other competitive exam- all I mentioned was, in absolute terms it was not an easy exam to crack - what's more difficult is to come out one among top 174 - again, Logical Reasoning at work.
6) Lastly, I earnestly advice that you try solving a CLAT paper on your own - you'll know why it is tough - what's tougher is being one among the top 170 odd takers.
16350? MERIT LIST? So all were included in the merit?? Even PMT/IIT dont do that. I dont see any reason to calculate marks of all candidates till the last rank. He deserves to be in MERIT list? If all candidates are included and ranked, then who is excluded?
No exam is tough because it is tough. Its toughness is only determined by the sheer number of candidates or seat/applicant ratio. You sit for an exam having 100 seats and having 100 applicants. Even if Einstein makes the paper and there is no lower cut off (as in CLAT), you are sure to get in (Logic at Work?)
Btw, CLAT gives you 900/16250 chances to get through compared to 9300/400000 chances in IIT and 2000/150000 in PMT (See, i am not citing IAS now!). So if your logical reasoning is at work now, try finding which is more easier? And PLEASE take into account the negative marking, because in other fields, there is no scope for trial and error as here. Without negative marking, no matter how much tough is the paper, you will definitely mark the answer unless you a saint from the Himalayas. So, 25% probability always remains that you will mark right. Conclusion: CLAT is a very easy exam despite all the bragging which is happening here.
And ya, i dont have time to solve your esteemed clat paper. Because if it was a good one in itself and can pick only the brilliant ones, then India would not have needed testing of lawyers even after graduating.
Now its your time to stop spewing dumps. Arguing is not your birth right and i can very well judge the standard of CLAT now especially the logical reasoning. Easy exam, average students (barring few!), easy marks, easy bragging, but still testing required. Some kinda Quality control going on?
some of those with international publications and conferences and NLS Alumni. Sudhir / Shamnaad.
I rest my case.
Further ...
Faculty is not the most important resource of a college in India. Because in NLS students run the college. We teach our juniors, we do moots, we revamp the curriculum of distance learning, we chuck incompetent teachers out, we draw out detailed infrastructure plans, we organise international conferences, we raise sponsorship for foreign lecturers, we run 4 top notch peer reviewed journals and run recruitment without a single faculty input, we are more presentable than any of our faculty or Vice Chancellors in the last 7 years in front of any bigwig in the legal academia or practice. We run this college because nobody has the brains or the ba*** to run this place with some rationality, logic and focus. ([...] if you are reading this, this includes especially you)
And so ...
Colleges in India must continue to be ranked on what their students do.
And i am not saying that NUJS and NALSAR or Jodhpur students don't do the same, but I do know they have much more significant faculty interference. And i call it interference because the sort of teachers who populate law schools are only obstructionists ..
2) Not all 900/ 16,350 might be easy but 170/16,350 is not.
3) An exam being tough or not depends on the quality / difficulty-level of questions (as also the candidate-seats ratio) and I can understand why you can't spare time for taking the exam - you won't be able to score well.
4) The idea of testing lawyers gaining currency reflects on the quality associated with vast majority of low grade colleges offering 3 year LLB degrees - there's a huge difference between them and NLUs;
5) Logical reasoning is one part of the question paper- try solving GK / Legal Reasoning / Legal Aptitude. Unless you have data to back your claim, you cannot say that an average CLAT taker is any worse than an average JEE taker.
1. Sudhir Sir and Shamnad Sir are NLS alumni. True. But can you expect any top-notch teachers with such enviable qualifications to be graduates from NUJS or NALSAR TODAY when these schools have had only a handful of batches which have graduated? There are, however, several students who shall be entering the academia from both these schools in the future. I have no doubt that there will be little difference in the number of Grade A teachers from any of these law schools.
2. Students run everything at NUJS as well. That is just the way NLUs were set up to function and that is certainly not something unique to NLS. Any assistance from faculty in these affairs is all credit to their interest and initiative. Not interference.
3. EVERYTHING else you've mentioned in your post about NLS - we have it here at NUJS.
Colleges should be ranked on what students AND the faculty does. Infrastructure comes later and is a secondary resource. The quality and the skills of the students and the faculty are what really make any institution.
So you ended it up yourself! Dear so called book worm and so called lawyer, when you have negative marking of -1, then your success ratio is not 25% but its 20% (1/5). Because you will LOOSE a mark rather than gaining it. NO NEED TO BRAG NOW. YOUR LOGICAL BRAIN IS AT WORK AND VISIBLE. Please get your probability concepts verified by a Class 11th student or your younger brother.
I did not see any Bar council comment saying that NLU students are studs and they do not need bar exam? 170/16350? So 480 seats at IIT Guwahati/400000 JEE takers. Now go and **** yourself. You do not even know the rules of ratio and proportion!
Data is there! I told na 9300/400000 Vs. 900/16350! However, since your poor maths was unavailable to calculate and find DATA, i tell you an average JEE taker has 2.3% chances of getting in compared to 5.5% in CLAT assuming that you know percentages. So CLAT is double easy to get in and provides DOUBLE chances for a candidate to qualify.
Got your DATA??? eh?
If your are from NLU, you need to take the bar exam seriously..!! *No pun intended
all you juniors better get ready.. we'll have fun filled nights and great interaction with your seniors **evil laugh**hahahahaha
The other colleges are just the same... GNLU jus has face value.... RMLNLU (the richest NLU) has caught up to all other universities in such a short time... HNLU, GNL and others are going down, better beware (actually HNLU doesnt even stand anywhere, has any1 seen ppl from Raipur ANYWHERE?)... RML's performance in moots has not been well but its making its mark in other competitions..... as someone above said.. its giving GNLU a run for their money.
Top MPL next year, and place 50 on 100 , you'd be better than NLS... That's called improvement !!
NLU Jodhpur has shown other new colleges the path to glory !
I will enter NALSAR even more confidently now....
eagerly waiting 4 d session to start now....
#38..ur choosing nalsar over nls is a gr8 decision!!
VERY ENCOURAGING 4 D RANKS 60 ONWARDS....
(n reference to the NUJS faculty member's comments)wish to say that I would have mulled over my order of preference a lot longer than i did if i had known about the fantastic achievements of the NUJS faculty(Itwas a toss up between NLSIU&NUJS)Their pedigree&effotrs towards making the CLAT&the National Law Schools more accesible&iclusive are exceptional.
Welcome to the jungle...you are the king...literally very lax academic structure...bt things are changing...RMLNLU is growing like phoenix and soon it will have a place to reckon...its very promising and we have few really good people...there is visible difference between clat and non-clat batches(hope u gt it)just chill...dnt get paranoid...u have evrythng u cn think of to excel...all resources are at your disposal...admin is really very co-operative...dont compare it with other NLU's. it is still in incipient stage but when compared to other counterparts of 2006 established law schools...it is far ahead...welcome...u make a great addition to the family.
it's time you make yourself aware of the facts...
of the 4 lakh {u deem it mammoth} only 50 thousand {and this is not mammoth} write iit/jee with an intent to get in......and the rest merely to boast off....if u wish to get my assertion attested.....go to college wherein can find a few iit aspirants....they write to brag
and well if i'm to answer it in [your] way......900/17000 and 9000/50000.. who bears a better chance of getting it...wannabe lawstudents or wannabe otiose engineers......the answer may downcast you.......because iit aspirants bear a better chance of making it to the iit they intend to....
1) I did check Probability concepts with one of my friends who has completed his BTech from IIT Delhi and has earned an EM scholarship to pursue Masters in Mathematical Modelling - If the question is objective, the probability of getting an answer right is 1/4 (25%) for the simple reason that the no of choices is 4 and the no of correct choices is 1 :-)
2) The fact that the ratio of successful candidates to unsuccessful candidates is lower in case of IIT-JEE when compared to CLAT DOES NOT TELL US ANYTHING ABOUT HOW 'GOOD' AN AVERAGE STUDENT TAKING CLAT vis-a-vis an AVERAGE STUDENT TAKING IIT-JEE is. It's pointless to expect you to devote sometime on learning to draw appropriate inferences - you can only exhibit your frustration by using the 4 letter word. Speak to someone who has trained JEE takers, CAT takers and CLAT takers - I have, which is why I am mentioning this, and you'll get an honest reply as to an 'average' student taking these three exams.
3) You are evidently not aware of the history of Bar Exams, so it'd be better for you not to comment on it.
4) If you believe by using the F*** word and by repeating the same nonsensical words you're making logical statements then there's something really wrong with you.
Let's leave it to the readers to decide who's making logical statements and who is not.
Also, I think the seats-to-students ratios are so largely because of the less no. of SEATS than the no. of good students.
And on the inter-NLU rankings, the true factors of ranking should be a)the students' academic research and future career and b) their life on the campus... right?
Just my two cents....
This is prolly the best and the most democratic way of law school rankings. LI...please update us quickly!