Bangalore lawyer group lobbies for 50%: NLS reservation of only 25% ‘shocking’, state’s students been ‘suffering’

Monday, 6 January 2020 By Legally India Law schools

Upping the ante, a Bangalore-based association of advocates is lobbying the state law minister for NLSIU Bengaluru to have a 50% domicile quota, rather than the 25% that the cabinet has recently signed off on.

According to the letter ( full copy here), as published by Livelaw, this is not the first time the Advocate’s Association of Bengaluru has gotten involved in the issue.

In 2018, when the bill planning a 50% reservation had been rejected by the state governor, the association had made two representations to the governor, it said.

The association described the most recent reduction in the reservation from 50 to 25% as “shocking”, noting:

So, naturally, the association has requested for the reservation to be upped to 50% again.

Not many further arguments are made in the three-page letter besides the repeated expression of shock and reiteration of the demand but as a gambit to ensure at least the 25% reservation passes without major hitches, this could be a solid strategic play.

Comments

Guest 6 Jan 2020, 18:31

+9 -3

NLSIU slips to 5th in NIRF by the end of this decade if this happens.

Guest 6 Jan 2020, 18:33

+1 -0

Aditya Sondhi was Assistant Advocate General in the JDS-Cong govt. No alum to lobby with in the present govt.

Oye Titles 17 Jan 2020, 11:46

+0 -0

[i]Additional[/i] Advocate General, not Assistant Advocate General.

Guest 6 Jan 2020, 18:44

+3 -2

Why don't LI and LiveLaw bother asking lawyers and politicians of national repute about whether they would like NLUs to get the status of IITs and IIMs? While local netas and lawyers may not agree, I think national bigwigs like KKV, Salve, Gopal, Chidambaram, Singhvi, Sibal, Khurshid, Pinky Anand, Zia, Shardul, Cyril etc will all agree. Meenakshi Lekhi has even introduced a bill.

LI, Livelaw and BB are just reproducing reports from mainstream media outlets. I hope one of these sites will do a story interviewing at least 5 to 10 Senior Advocates and retired SC judges.

lol 6 Jan 2020, 20:44

+0 -0

Is this counter strategy? 50% is not feasible as the minister himself said. So could this lead to too much chaos with Opp demanding a raise and govt pleading helplessness and all of it being referred to some committee with no outcome?
Or will it try to guarantee at just 25%, like Kian said?

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 08:21

+0 -0

Don't be daft. This is not a counter strategy. It was this lawyers association responsible for reviving the quota, after alumni lobbied and stalled it for 2 years. If 50% is not accepted, then the 25% bill will pass. Or maybe 35% as a concession. And this time the governor cannot send it back.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 08:19

+3 -13

Imagine the amount of teasing NLSIU kids will get at college fests if this happens! They'll say "National Law School, Bangalore" and others will say "You mean Quota Law College, Bengaluru"?

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 09:04

+13 -1

Only idiots like you or the juniors or next generation whom your antics have inspired would be the ones seeking to pull such stunts. This is a political issue, with most states seeking preferential treatment for their residents at institutions based on such state. Even the IIMs and IITs are being introduced to greater reservation, even among faculty members, although thankfully not domicile based yet.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 08:34

+2 -0

TOI is reporting NLSIU will lobby against the bill and could even challenge the bill in court. Do not underestimate alumni influence and unity. NLSIU is not NUJS or NLUO to meekly accept political influence.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/uncertainty-dogs-bill-to-reserve-25-seats-at-nlsiu/articleshow/73129005.cms

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 09:10

+13 -0

This I agree with. NLSIU alumni are the most organised of all NLUs. However, challenging it on legal front is unlikely to be successful. The state does have the power to amend the founding statute. Their best bet is to wield influence through back channels. If that doesn't work, then the reservation is probably going to happen. I wonder whether Sudhir has got a chance to 'read' the bill yet! He has turned out to be a big disappointment as an educated, apparently liberal and alumni VC so far, giving puff interviews, but not actually making his views known on issues that affect his university or even the country as a whole. That might be a prudent action to take for canny old political players like RVR, who have little quality and hence need to rely on their acceptability to retain their positions, but for Sudhir to do the same is something I find very disappointing indeed. I'm losing my respect for him day by day.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 10:45

+0 -8

You have no idea, kid. Sudhir is on the phonelines speaking with alumni. This bill will not pass. Rest assured.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 11:25

+10 -0

I'll be more assured if he comes out into the open with his views instead. As I said, he used to, before taking up this position. I'd hate to see power change a person thus.

Who? 7 Jan 2020, 13:23

+1 -0

I thought we were done with putting Sudhir on a pedestal, but I guess not? Haven't his first few months taught you that he isn't, contrary to what the LI comment sections say, a literal god?

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 13:39

+7 -2

He's basically NLSIU's last hope to give the impression that they are ahead of the competition posed by NLUD, NALSAR etc. So it is obvious he is going to be painted larger-than-life. Think about NLUD PR team and trolls exulting every moment somebody in that university even sneezes and you'll get the idea.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 16:54

+0 -0

Very true. But PR does help. I know CLAT aspirants and parents who have been influenced by LI comments. You also have a "perception" score in NIRF, which is basically media publicity through friendly journalists.

hoo 8 Jan 2020, 05:05

+1 -0

A bit unfair. There have been a nearly equal number of comments from Law School alumni, current students etc which was calling out Sudhir's unreasonableness even at the stage of VC selection.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 08:35

+3 -8

A good compromise solution is zero reservation in the merit list of 60 seats but 100% domicile reservation in the SC/ST/OBC list of 20 seats, which brings the total domicile reservation to 25% without altering the number of merit seats. Both sides will be happy.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 09:12

+17 -4

Calling those merit list is rather misleading. Try privileged seats instead. Even seats by virtue of birth, caste etc. work, because that's as much applicable to these seats as to those that are reserved.

End reservation 7 Jan 2020, 10:44

+6 -14

Yes, because topping maths and English sections in CLAT, securing first rank and getting an LLM scholarship/UPSC rank means one is "privileged by virtue of caste". And, of course, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs and upper castes living in poverty must be "privileged". because they get no reservation Stop making lazy arguments in support of mediocracy.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 11:27

+16 -3

Yes, it does make one thus privileged. Because of the education received since birth and the lack of discrimination. Give that to a kid availing reservation who draws attention simply because he wishes to study instead of being a manual scavenger like his parents and then we shall see who tops what.

Child of Privilege 7 Jan 2020, 13:56

+14 -3

I'm from NLS. I'm self-aware enough to know that I got into NLS because my parents went to college, kept books and magazines lying around at home, and got me into a decent school, all of which equipped me with the skills to crack the entrance exam. A lot of others across the 9 batches I observed at NLS had a similar background. There were always the handful of kids who applied for financial scholarships, but they also went to the "right" schools and could hum along to English rock songs.

I'm not naive enough to believe that "merit" is absolute- my parents, my school, my social circle at school, they all had a role to play in my entrance exam scores.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 17:00

+3 -27

Sorry, but why should we forcibly place a manual scavenger's son in NLSIU over someone with better schooling and a higher CLAT score just because of caste? This is communist BS. Let's be pragmatic: the former will perform poorly due to weak English and drop out (which often happens). Thus, a seat will be wasted and the student will also be demoralised. Instead, the student could go to a local law college and do an LLB in Hindi, prepare for a govt job on the side, and crack the job through quota. And his seat at NLSIU can go to the "elite" candidate who will make better use of the opportunity and join the private sector.

Troll tax 7 Jan 2020, 19:03

+7 -2

Cause diverse classrooms are better classrooms?and because law school is supposed to be a place where students can learn? And five years is a long time! People can learn a lot! The person awarded best orator at my graduation didn’t speak English before entering college. The topper of my batch and a very successful big law lawyer came in through the domicile quota.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 03:21

+14 -1

You aren't being pragmatic, you are simply trying to preserve class superiority, which essentially means keeping jobs, growth, money and power all confined within the hands of the same set of people and their next generations. Keep doing that and these people, who would join the next set of decision-makers, would never ever have any incentive to better the lives of the have-nots or to ensure that those children receive the same opportunities as their own, which over time could have otherwise reduced and hopefully eliminated the need for reservation one day. It's the same reason why the state of government funded education on primary levels have been falling over the years, with the 'talent'/'merit' flocking to private schools. Because the people who control the purse strings and influence policies never have had any incentive to help better those conditions, knowing well that their own children would go to the best finishing schools, secure high marks in competitive exams, get the coveted cushy jobs, provide the same privilege to their next generation and so on. The only BS that's being spewed here is coming from you, in your desperate advocacy to preserve status quo.

Child of Privilege 8 Jan 2020, 09:11

+7 -1

I completely disagree with this. You can get by in NLS with "weak English", as scores of students have done. They have done quite well for themselves, if law firm partner, general counsel and the judicial services are your standards of success. Remember that they still have to place in the top 6 or 12 ranks in CLAT, so their basic English skills are already assumed. I don't deny that people have found it difficult, but NLS has put in a lot of effort in keeping as many students within the system as possible.

There's a larger social intent behind reservations, and if that puts more disenfranchised groups into positions that were earlier the preserve of the urban Elite School crowd, I'm fully behind that. I don't see it as "wasting a seat"- if you reserve 18 seats, and even if 9-10 of them graduate and get a boost into "normal" Indian society, I'd see that as 18 seats well spent.

NLS is not just a feeder school for the private sector- there are people in academics, grassroots litigation, NGOs, journalism, and lots of other occupations that try and make this country a better place to live in. I like it that way, thank you very much.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 08:50

+1 -5

A PIL is being readied by alumni. It will be filed as soon as the governor assents to the bill. The PIL will seek a stay on reservation and the declaration of NLSIU as an institution of national character whose Chancellor is the CJI. The CJI may also be the Chancellor of GNLU, MNLU and NUJS, but the full names of those colleges are "Gujarat National University", "West Bengal National University" and "Maharashtra National University", whereas NLSIU was always meant to be a "National" university. It was also the first NLU to be established and was done so by the BCI, whereas the others were cloned by state governments with support from local bar councils.

#KeepNLSNational

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 11:22

+17 -0

So absence of the name of the state is what separates NLSIU from the rest of the NLUs? And here I thought it's the fact that it's a school and a university both at the same time!

Huh 7 Jan 2020, 13:24

+2 -1

[i]This[/i] is the grounds on which you will file the PIL? Name of the NLU? God bless your ridiculous heart.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 13:36

+11 -0

BCI can't 'establish' any university, it lacks the statutory authority for that. NLSIU Act is just as much a product of state government legislature as those setting up other NLUs.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 10:34

+0 -0

Bring out the popcorn. This is gonna be a thrilling fight!

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 10:37

+0 -0

NLSIU's contacts are with Congress rather than BJP. They cannot ask BJP to stop reservation but can ask Congress to not demand 50% reservation when the bill is discussed.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 10:46

+0 -1

Is Gopal Sankaranarayanan going to intervene again this time?

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 11:30

+13 -0

Yeah, he's going to tell Sudhir to grow up and show a spine for a change.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 10:54

+1 -8

NLSIU is history. NLUD is the future.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 11:29

+15 -1

According to many, so is Yogi Adityanath. The future, I mean!

Hahaha 15 Jan 2020, 12:19

+2 -0

50% already notified local quota for NLUD from this year's intake. What say you now?

Guest 15 Jan 2020, 14:29

+3 -0

Meep, meep!

Guest 15 Jan 2020, 15:15

+3 -0

They still are the harbinger to the future, see. They are doing today what Law School would in a few years. 50% domicile reservation.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 12:34

+6 -0

Sudhir is violating the law by not implementing OBC and EWS quota. He and the college can be taken to court.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 13:32

+8 -1

Can and should be. He has already lost the moral high ground w.r.t. the OBC quota at least. Talks a big game when not in power, loses appetite for it once he gains power.

HOw? 8 Jan 2020, 05:03

+1 -9

There is no prescriptive rule that you HAVE to give reservations (SC/ST/OBC/EWS). Arts 15-16 say that IF reservations are given, they are not ultra vires Art 14.
The OBC reservation law made by Parliament mandating 27% (made in the 2000s) applies only to central institutions, not state ones. This is one of the reasons why the Lolaksha case is not being appealed very vigorously by Law School. The status quo tries to balance these risks. As a matter of policy, the EC/GC of Law School has decided to only have SC and ST reservations. Its a policy decision, and not illegal in any way. There is no right to reservations.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 09:39

+9 -0

There's a moral right when your VC keeps harping about social inequality.

Nuh-huh 9 Jan 2020, 18:17

+2 -2

The Mandal report is not Moses' 10 Commandments. There is no moral obligation to give reservations to OBCs. The backward classes have the strength of numbers, economic heft and social heft in rural communities (see Jats, Khammas, Vokkaligas, Marathas etc). Mere political vote banks are no reason to bend over backwards to push through an undeserved affirmative action agenda for electoral success. The reason the NLS EC is stacked with judges and not politicians or bureaucrats is to hold fort against this shameless pandering. The higher judiciary doesn't do reservations, and nor should Law School, beyond those relaxations for more deserving communities like SCs and STs. Though these benefits are being misused by the creamy layer, there are some heartwarming stories like this: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/apr/10/poor-students-law-india-lalcha-idia

Sudhir might harp about social equity at his NGO, but he's not been made VC to push through that agenda. Rather, he should answer to all stakeholders.

Guest 10 Jan 2020, 02:49

+1 -1

So you in all your infinite wisdom judged and dubbed all OBC candidates as not lacking in class power including socio-economic agency all by yourself. Wow! And if a person changes his complete outlook simply because he's been given a post, then either he was a fraud earlier or he is one now. Either way, not the best person for the job.

Nuh-huh 10 Jan 2020, 08:13

+2 -1

OBCs are no better off than poor forward castes. This "myth" of backward classes injustice has been successively broken down. Just see the findings of the Socio Economic Caste Census done by the UPA. Just as not all OBCs are replete with power and heft, all forward castes aren't either. The principle for affirmative action is if the community as a whole can stand up for itself. Post 1990s, the OBCs have certainly proved up to the mark and can compete on an even keel (as far as the entire community is concerned). Pointing to relatively backward people within a group has no value. There are poor Brahmins, does that mean you create a Brahmin quota? Obviously NOT.

In any case, afaik, Sudhir's activism with CLPR had nothing to do with OBC issues - it was mostly transgenders and SC/STs. So I don't see any fraud here.

Guest 10 Jan 2020, 09:39

+0 -0

Sudhir's role in this is irrelevant. Any quota policy modification has to be done by the EC, not the VC. Unless the authorities are actually directing the university to implement the quota, there's not much that he can do.

Nuh-huh 10 Jan 2020, 11:56

+1 -1

Exactly. There's little Sudhir CAN do. But I'm saying, even if there were something he COULD do, expending limited political capital on giving OBC reservations should never even be attempted.

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 12:38

+0 -0

Any news of new faculty hires at NLSIU? Are students making demands? Is Sudhir planning to approach recent guest lecturers or poach people from NLUD/JGLS?

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 13:33

+7 -0

Poach how? He can't pay them more, nor can he waive UGC requirements, nor provide them with more research grants and flexibilities than those place are offering at present. Is he planning to play the role of the fire to lure the unsuspecting moths in?

Guest 7 Jan 2020, 18:12

+0 -9

The largest ever law school ranking ever in India has just been released. Careers 360 2020 law school ranking has ranked a whopping 50 law schools. The top 3 is accurate and follows NIRF, but beyond that one can question (e.g. NLIU).

1. National Law School of India University
2. National Law University, New Delhi
3. NALSAR University of Law, Hyderabad
4. Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law, Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur
5. Jindal Global Law School, Sonipat
6. National Law University, Jodhpur
7. Gujarat National Law University, Gandhinagar
8. The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkata
9. Faculty of Law, University of Delhi, Delhi
10. Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law, Patiala
11. National Law Institute University, Bhopal
12. Chanakya National Law University, Patna
13. Hidayatullah National Law University, Raipur
14. Dr Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University, Lucknow
15. Maharashtra National Law University, Mumbai
16. National University of Advanced Legal Studies, Kochi
17. Symbiosis Law School, Pune
18. National Law University, Cuttack
19. Army Institute of Law, Mohali
20. Faculty of Law, Banaras Hindu University, Varanasi
21. Indian Law Institute, New Delhi
22. Aligarh Muslim University, Aligarh
23. South Asian University, New Delhi
24. Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi
25. National University of Study and Research in Law, Ranchi
26. Institute of Law, Nirma University, Ahmedabad
27. Himachal Pradesh National Law University, Shimla
28. School of Law, Christ University, Bangalore
29. The Tamilnadu Dr Ambedkar Law University, Chennai
30. Government Law College, Mumbai
31. Azim Premji University, Bangalore
32. Maharashtra National Law University, Nagpur
33. University of Calcutta, Kolkata
34. University School of Law and Legal Studies, New Delhi
35. Indian Law Society Law College, Pune
36. National Law University and Judicial Academy, Guwahati
37. ICFAI Law School, Hyderabad
38. School of Law, University of Petroleum and Energy Studies, Dehradun
39. IMS Law College, Noida
40. Rizvi Law College, Mumbai
41. KIIT School of Law, Bhubaneswar
42. VIT Law School, Chennai
43. School of Law, GITAM University, Visakhapatnam
44. Bharati Vidyapeeth Deemed University, New Law College, Pune
45. IFIM Law College, Bangalore
46. Shri Dharmasthala Manjunatheshwara Law College, Mangalore
47. Manikchand Pahade Law College, Aurangabad
48. ICFAI Law School, Dehradun
49. MS Ramaiah College of Law, Bangalore
50. MS Ramaiah College of Law, Bangalore

https://law.careers360.com/colleges/ranking

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 04:53

+15 -0

This ranking is a joke. Just like that magazine. And like the people trying to post it on different fora.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 05:20

+0 -10

Why is the ranking a joke? NIRF and public perception all place NLSIU, NALSAR and NLUD in the top 3. Ranking JGLS after the Big 3 can be done if weightage is given to faculty and infrastructure, while their placements and LLM admissions abroad are not bad. Then comes NLUJ and GNLU, which are both roughly equal. After this, comes NUJS, which has declined since the Menon-MP Singh era. Then comes NLIU and RGNUL, but Careers 360 has placed RGNUL ahead, which can be the main point of criticism. The other ranks seem fine.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 09:13

+9 -0

There's no methodology involved. Neither transparent nor opaque.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 12:57

+14 -1

Regardless of any decline, there is no metric whatsoever apart from campus size maybe wherein NLUJ and GNLU are 'ahead' of NUJS at present. Not faculty, not publications, not graduate outcome, not placement. These rankings do not reflect any real world scenario at all. Similarly, JGLS is actually the only internationally ranked law university in the country, so under what metric is it behind any other? NIRF won't work here either, since JGLS doesn't take part in it. But considering all NLUs including NLSIU isn't even eligible for taking part in the QS rankings, that alone speaks volumes about their relative positions. JGLS is only behind in graduate outcome and alumni base, nothing else.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 05:12

+1 -0

University Of Delhi has been permitted the status of “Institution of Eminence”, under which the varsity is enabled to receive an additional financial aid worth Rs 1000 crore from the government, over the course of the next five years.

“This position will allow the University to take new academic measures, including developing new institutions in the fields where we’re lagging behind”, said DU VC Yogesh Tyagi, in a letter to alumni.

To match the government’s grant with the university’s own initiative of raising Rs 1,000 crore, DU will launch ‘The Endowment Fund of the University of Delhi’, he further added.

https://duexpress.in/university-of-delhi-receives-institution-of-eminence-status/

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 07:30

+0 -5

NALSAR is obliged to implement 85% Telengana quota and Faizan will be taken to court if he does not.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 07:33

+0 -14

Anti-Sudhir trolls and bots are having a field day on LI. They are not students just disgruntled faculty members and certain others vehemently opposed to alumni as VCs in NLUs. Their biggest fear is VCships in all NLUs going to NLU alumni in future. They want corrupt, academically mediocre, inefficient VCs from traditional colleges.

Guest 8 Jan 2020, 09:17

+13 -1

Keep saying this if it diverts attention from Sudhir's shortcomings. It isn't fooling anyone. Your efficient VC hasn't done a single thing worth mention yet, apart from having trolls extolling his virtues all over LI anonymously. At least the critiques are about what he has actually not done but could have.

Eh 10 Jan 2020, 13:55

+1 -0

Sudhir is definitely not a great success. But it's not like he hasn't done anything. Scam teachers have been weeded out, for sure. But his arbitrary decision-making is certainly terrible.

Guest 10 Jan 2020, 15:09

+0 -0

Who all have left already? I'm assuming you aren't referring to Lizzie leaving for TNNLS!

Guest 12 Jan 2020, 03:37

+3 -0

@18.1.1: Any clarification about exactly which 'scam teacher' has been weeded out by Sudhir's administration? Or is that claim a will-o'-the-wisp too like all that amusing nonsense about Oxford and Columbia planning to offer joint degrees with NLSIU?

Guest 9 Jan 2020, 05:46

+1 -8

Will NLU students condemn this disgraceful act of leftist fascism in Bengal yesterday? Is preventing a noted intellectual like Swapan Dasgupta from speaking not a threat to academic freedom? Even your beloved The Wire covered it.

https://thewire.in/education/caa-protests-swapan-dasgupta-visva-bharati

Troll GST 9 Jan 2020, 06:21

+1 -1

The beloved Wire article says ABVP turned up at which point the TMC turned up and things turned heated.

The crazy thing about the Right is that they love dishing it out, but sure can't take it. They'll happily support putting people in jail for expressing dissent and implicitly/explicitly condone riots by their own (even when it leads to serious injuries and death), but then cry mummy whenever anyone so much as looks at them askance or is mean to them or tells them their views are wrong, racist or in line with fascism.

Nevertheless, even idiots/intellectuals like SD should be allowed their say. But peaceful protests against those views are equally democratic and allowed, but encouraging that protests to turn violent has also been part of the playbook of many radical fringe parties like the ABVP in order to delegitimise them.

Guest 9 Jan 2020, 06:23

+6 -1

Nobody prevented him from speaking. It is the propaganda that he's spreading that people objected to. As a university student, I have full right to object to anything that a speaker has to say in a public event of the university. Further, if I feel that the administration is specifically bringing someone to score political brownie points, I can also demand or agitate against that. Unlike the ABVP-RSS-BJP unholy trinity, nobody here beat anyone up. He even writes pathetically shoddy opinion columns with transparent bias and half truths in a newspaper like the Telegraph that has no love lost with the fascist government. Nobody has raised demands for boycotting Telegraph because of that either like the bhakts did against Deepika. I wonder why the news about the female advocate who had been driven away from her home because she had the temerity to show dissent in the presence of Amit Shah escaped your attention? That's real fascism, which stooges like you would of course ignore.

Guest 9 Jan 2020, 07:11

+8 -0

It is when he actually gets to speak that he poses a threat to sanity. Noted intellectual indeed!

Castiel 9 Jan 2020, 12:20

+0 -0

Nope.

Guest 9 Jan 2020, 20:46

+0 -0

SD is expected to write slanted pieces. But Radia tapes also tell us how slanted things really are across so-called political and corporate divides. If there is one thing all the high and mighty (Judges and Messiahs of every tribe included) follow that is Opportunism.

Both politics and principles would have been better advanced had the govt brought in a proper refugee law something that Rajeev Dhawan spoke about. Of course we can quibble over the details but its a better approach than this dog whistle law.

As a saffron sympathizer (more like someone badly bruised by the Left in the past and dealt unkindly by the Hand) he is expected to downplay stuff that are inconvenient to the party line. Noting that reality, SD is not entirely off the rails here https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/misplaced-concerns/cid/1734084?ref=opinion_home-template

Talking of Hand, what about the Hand of Messiah? Why focus all scrutiny on Messiah?

Guest 10 Jan 2020, 07:30

+1 -0

Quotas and reservation = Stalinist collectivism

Guest 10 Jan 2020, 08:41

+4 -0

Privileged status quo maintenance = Zsarist plutocracy

Guest 10 Jan 2020, 18:00

+0 -9

Kian, please put a stop to these anti-Sudhir comments. These people are not NLSIU students but rather disgruntled faculty members and students of other NLUs who are jealous that their VCs are so much inferior to Sudhir. Please ban all such comments or LI will lose credibility.

Guest 11 Jan 2020, 01:29

+11 -0

You aren't from NLSIU either. Or for that matter, from anywhere decent, given your penchant to grade people and dub them inferior or superior.

Guest 11 Jan 2020, 04:24

+10 -0

I see that you are trying to build a narrative of Sudhir enjoying complete support from the entire student body of NLSIU regardless of whatever action he takes or doesn't take. Doubtless that suits your agenda, but it's simply not true. Further, your tasteless comment about comparing other VCs and Sudhir [...] I doubt Sudhir himself would have approved of that.

Guest 11 Jan 2020, 17:27

+0 -8

The students opposing Sudhir are the geniuses who think downloading pirated movies and monopolising bandwidth is a birthright.

Guest 12 Jan 2020, 05:15

+8 -0

Good effort to delegitimise all discontent and protest, bro! Personally, I don't give a damn about whether the admin can track down my IP address in case of illegality, but I do care about the fact that the rosy days and advantage over other NLUs and democratic excellence that Sudhir's 'reign' was promised to be, turned out to be a dud. I've not seen any difference between him as a VC and the other VCs across other NLUs so far. Where are the inquiries that had been promised? Or are you singing his paeans because you might be implicated in those yourself?

Guest 12 Jan 2020, 10:32

+1 -4

@23.1: You don't seem like a student. You are perhaps a student from another NLU trying to give the impression that NLSIU is declining.

Guest 12 Jan 2020, 11:29

+5 -0

@23.1.1: Appearances can be deceiving. [...] Incidentally, what makes you eligible to judge who's a student and where? Law School doesn't get discredited by the actions or inaction of a single guy, even if he's the VC. No individual is bigger than the institution. By the way, you didn't seem to have responded to 23.1's actual question. What happened to the inquiries that had been promised to all of us? Holding people accountable for the financial mess that the university is in? What happened to the new recruitment notification?

Guest 12 Jan 2020, 21:43

+0 -0

"this year, 23 students of GNLU are selected as judges and till date, GNLU has contributed nearly 100 judges to the judiciary in different states in the country."

Why is LI not reporting this??? This website is totally anti-GNLU because of an old grudge.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/duty-of-the-judiciary-to-ensure-that-faith-of-the-people-is-not-shaken-justice-mr-shah-at-gnlu-lecture

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 07:15

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And still the district courts all over the country continue generating travesty justice! By the way, while the students who made it from GNLU are certainly to be lauded, a lot of people from the other older NLUs too have made it to the lower judiciary, especially their LLM students. Because of the mostly terrible work conditions and resource crunch, it doesn't really attract a lot of LLB students having other available options. So in itself this is not that big a piece of news. It can and should be covered as part of recruitment though.

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 12:31

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So what exactly happened? Kian why no reporting? Cannot use "political" excuse. You did report on CAA and anti-CAA.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/nujs-student-group-takes-back-guv-invite/articleshow/73179463.cms

https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/jagdeep-dhankar-kolkata-nujs-uninvite-event-mun-society/

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/derek-at-nujs-event-students-divided-over-guv-uninvite-move/articleshow/73195909.cms

https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/njus-mun-derek-obrien-caa-nrc-governor-uninvite-students-unhappy/

http://sja.nujs.edu/newsroom/2020/01/11/response-to-the-times-of-india

OpIndia is of course going to put in a slant. But it adds some material that TOI didn't have or left out. Also what does the SJA thing even mean? The VC says he was in the dark. Others in the administration also don't known anything. Is this even possible? What about the Faculty member in charge of MUN Society?

I totally agree CAA/NRC are big issues. But wouldn't it have been better to request the Governor to desist from making a political speech and if he did then publicly but politely (and firmly) remind him or even interrupt him? And he is replaced by DOB?

The colour doesn't matter. Politics has seeped in. The downward spiral has begun.

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 13:29

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You mean the spiral that you experience when the substance-induced euphoria finally dies down?

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 13:34

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The MUN Society guys could have also done this https://thewire.in/politics/narendra-modi-belur-math-caa-statement-ramarishna-mission if the Governor went off the rails. Please don't say that MUN Soc did not have courage to request the Governor to not make a political speech but somehow had the smarts to do something as shoddy as this.

I have no love for the Governor position as such and this Governor. I do think that MUN Society should have told him not to go political and if he had expressed reservations etc then they could have revoked the invite. And why this last minute cancellation?

Whether the Gov is incendiary or not, the way MUN Soc went about this and the admin seemingly a headless chicken shows the entire univ in very poor light. It doesn't help when there are strong rumours that as with "Bengali" as VC there is now a concerted attempt to have a "Bengali" student President.

Apparently a section of the faculty with tacit support from higher authorities wish to gain a degree of "control" over how the students can be rallied to sing political tunes. And we now see green shoots through MUN Soc machinations.

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 14:10

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You are the only one who is ascribing needless importance to this and trying to rile others up. Students have the freedom to invite others and withdraw that invite too as and when they please. This governor would go anywhere if he gets even an invitation by meme. If he feels bad about this, let him not visit the place anymore. It will be good riddance. Even the idiot MP whom they have invited deserves nothing more. As for the admin, NUJS isn't a place like some of the other law schools where admin controls or tries to control every aspect of student life. Students here are encouraged to do their own thinking and take responsibility for their own actions. So which random society is doing what, the admin can't keep policing. All the other rumours that you are trying to spread about the VC preferring a Bengali SJA president is absolutely rubbish lacking any foundation. As for faculty, anybody who's in any way connected with NUJS would know that faculty here don't dictate student actions or inactions. That's up to the students themselves. You are either someone lacking knowledge about the way things work at NUJS or someone deliberately trying to create political controversies and play divisive politics. There are a few such jobless people on the outside who have been trying to pull such stunts with a minuscule group of Bhakta and trolls. As for the news item you have shared, that only goes to paint a prestigious organization like RKM in a bad light. They allowed themselves to be politically hijacked by the head honcho muckety muck. Nobody would care to listen to anybody afterwards that they didn't support any political point of the speaker. And both BJP and TMC people (including both the governor and this MP) habitually bring their political lies and mudslinging no matter where they go.

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 16:03

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Why so serious? Did the cat come out of the bag?

Guest 14 Jan 2020, 03:08

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No, just sick of uneducated political trolls seeking to destroy educational institutions from within and without. Of course, they do this because they are scared of the new generation getting education and starting to hold them accountable for their crappy stunts.

Schrodinger 14 Jan 2020, 05:13

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No, it didn't. Or did it? Either way, it gets to corner the cream market.

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 15:50

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How CAA, JNU stuff drowns everything else

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/nlu-d-students-protest-against-wrongful-removal-of-housekeeping-staff-of-the-university-read-statement-151337

https://livelaw.in/news-updates/nlud-alumni-support-student-protests-against-unlawful-termination-of-housekeeping-staff-151558

Kian since you also missed this https://www.barandbench.com/news/lawschools/nlu-delhi-executive-council-approves-suspension-of-prof-js-mann-pending-inquiry-into-allegations-of-misconduct do you have the latest on JSM?

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 16:07

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Latest is he should check the legal protection available to whistleblowers. This seems like a case of retribution. Open the door to reveal the skeletons in the cupboard and pay for it.

Guest 13 Jan 2020, 19:49

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Is JSM like this Assistant Prof from IIT Guwahati? https://thewire.in/education/iit-guwahati-professor-corruption

It is possible that JSM is settling scores. But if those are the skels in RS cupboards (among others) shouldn't the EC at least do some inquiry? Maybe RS and Co don't want any inquiries, especially when he is on his way out. Sure, PIB is comfortably ensconced in KSLU and he knows that his friends (in high places) here will ensure that the inquiries go nowhere. Still it remains a fact that he suffered back-to-back "memorable" exits from CNLU and NUJS and it is on record that EC initiated an inquiry against him, which despite the attempts of NKC & Co is still on.

RS had a smooth exit from NALSAR while VS got splattered. RVR too had a controversial exit and we shouldn't speculate (because SBA ordains so) why Messiah is doing an Obama here (check The Report on Amazon Prime). It really isn't too difficult to made educated guesses.

JSM may have started this out of personal bitterness. But if someone starts rifling the records, RS and other Gods will be deeply inconvenienced. The chain reaction will be unpredictable and difficult to control. And hence the clampdown.

Guest 14 Jan 2020, 05:12

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That inquiry is getting nowhere, nor will it ever. The recruitment issue has already been sorted out slowly, with the probation of the faculty who joined then having been confirmed in the last EC meeting. Had there been any obvious financial or other irregularity, then surely Lord Taluk would have left no stone unturned to reveal that on the behest of the anti-PIB camp. Clearly, there isn't. One can be incompetent, spineless and completely useless, yet not engage in overt corruption. In that case, the inquiries are unlikely to yield any hard evidence. Meanwhile, the efforts of the in-house Nightingale to become the permanent Registrar has been thankfully nixed. A new Accounts Officer has also been appointed though he is yet to take charge. I suspect the PIB inquiries would be allowed to peter down and die a natural death over time. It's the same scene everywhere. Even Sudhir at NLS didn't carry out any inquiry about the financial scams. I doubt whoever takes charge at NLUD will look into RS or GSB's antics either. Nobody wants to upset the apple cart.

Guest 17 Jan 2020, 13:25

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So many censored comments in this thread, wow!

Guest 28 Jan 2020, 08:50

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Media report: NLSIU domicile quota being hiked to 50%.
https://www.deccanherald.com/state/karnataka-govt-eyes-bigger-pie-of-nlsiu-seats-for-local-students-798707.html

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