Bar exam syllabus announced: 'Basic-level' multi choice test on 5th Dec but probably no lit practice for pass-outs until 2011 (UPDATE)

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The Bar Council of India (BCI) has announced that it will carry out its all-India bar exam in association with legal market services provider Rainmaker as a multiple choice test of 100 questions on 5 December 2010 that will require a “basic amount of preparation” to pass, although the BCI admitted that graduating students would probably not be able to practice in courts until 31 December.

The BCI chairman Gopal Subramanium announced the Bar Council’s Vision Statement 2010-2012 at an event held in Delhi at noon today, which was attended by law minister Veerappa Moily and included details on the proposed bar exam as well as relaunching the BCI’s new website.

In response to a questions asked by Legally India at the event’s press conference, Subramaniam said that the BCI recognised the problem for graduating students that they would not be allowed to practice in courts until they passed their exam on 31 December 2010, although starting to work in law firms would be possible before passing the exam.

He also said that the BCI would do its best to accelerate the process in future. “To be honest we tried to fast forward the time line so that there is no spillage or loss of time. But between the plus and minuses of the situation we also wanted to give adequate time to students to look at the course material,” he noted.

“We thought it would be unfair just for the sake of abridging time because we’re dealing for the first time with over 800 colleges. The date of declaration of results for these colleges is not uniform so from next time we’re going to insist for a uniform date for declaration of results in all colleges. And this really is a special problem this year - teething problems - but they will not occur next year.” (article updated with quotes 18:48pm 2 June).

The ambitions of the exam would be to assess advocates’ “ability to practice the profession of law”, “capabilities at a basic level” and “analytical abilities and basic knowledge of law” by setting a minimum standard for admission, according to a presentation which was made at the event today.

The exam will take place on 5 December, with registration taking place from 15 July to 15 September 2010 at state Bar Council offices. Preparatory materials would be despatched to advocates between 16 August and the first week of October 2010.

Results are set to be announced by 31 December 2010.

The new website of the BCI sets out that the exam would cover “twenty subjects from amongst those prescribed by the BCI for the syllabi of three- and five-year LLB programmes” in two categories.

The first category is ‘foundational’ in nature and includes seven questions each on alternative dispute resolution, the Civil Procedure Code and Limitation Act; constitiutional law; contract law including specific relief, special contracts and negotiable instruments; criminal law 1: the Indian Penal Code; criminal procedure; drafting, pleading and conveyancing; evidence; jurisprudence; professional ethics and the Professional Code of Conduct for Advocates; and Property Law.

At least five subjects in Category II will be examined in 23 questions that will be “also critical for a new entrant to the practice of the profession of law” and include administrative, company, environmental, family, human rights, labour and industrial law, tort, motor vehicle accidents, consumer protection, principles of taxation and public international law.

The exam will be an “open-book” format, to which advocates may bring “preparatory materials” such as books and handwritten notes. Questions will be 100 multiple choice questions, where the “focus is on reasoning ability, rather than ability to memorise large texts”, and the only possible marks are either pass or a fail, with no ranks or percentage marks published.

The exam is subject to an application fee of Rs1,300 by candidates, which will include preparatory materials in any of nine languages, while the exam itself will also be conducted in nine languages and held at various test centres across India, according to the presentation.

The paper will be prepared in consultation of an expert committee made up of former Supreme Court India judge P.K. Balasubramaniam, former former ISRO chairman MGK Menon, Vice-chancellor of Jamia Milia Islamia Prof Najeeb Jung and senior advocate and additional solicitor general R N Trivedi. The commitee will analyse the results of mock tests held at a number of law schools in India, with their feedback being incorporated into the exam.

After weeks of its rumoured involvement, legal market services provider Rainmaker has now also been confirmed as assisting the BCI in holding the exam.

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Comments

False News With Balls 2 Jun 2010, 20:03
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Ah! I see! Is the 'preparatory material' being prepared by Rainmaker? These guys have hit a jackpot! Good going.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:38
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From the website, it appears that there is no option to give the exam online, which may cause detriment to several students who are abroad at the time.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:41
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Being, a final year student, with a PPO and about of join a top firm from July. I was very apprehensive of the Bar Exams. However, the clouds seem to have cleared now. From what I understand, any student passing out from 2009-2010 can enroll himself/herself with the Bar but in order to practice would require to clear the Bar Exam. (I still am concerned on the legality of this view: because the Advocates Act envisages on having only one class of advocates and clearly two classes are created by BCI.)

However, after the syllabus, dates, pattern of exam being clarified herein it really seem to be a welcome move to me.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:49
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What the hell? Seriously, do Mr Moily & GS think that it is possible to conduct such a national level exam with so many candidates within such a short time? Also I really wonder how many candidates will pass such an exam, let alone getting good marks. It vl be comparatively easier for lawyers who have been littigating for like 4/5 years. It will be extremely difficult for graduates whether from NLUs or not. Also what about the students who are going for LLM/MBA/job outside India? Lets say I am going to KCL for LLM in criminal law this September, and come back to India and practice in Supreme Court/Delhi HC/ Cal HC when and how shall I give the exam?

Application fee of 1,300. Why? I really wonder how many lawyers (who are in littigation) can pay for it? Applucation fee applicable each time one has to sit for the exam?
What the hell? why so? how much have they [...] the ministers?

Why the exam? whats the point?
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 20:53
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What the hell?
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 21:09
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1300(application fees)*20000(applicants)= 2,60,00,000 for Rain Maker not a bad business! Did they float a tender for this? How much would you need to be the official hangman of finalists?

Dear Dexter,
Beware of this scam about post-enrollment qualification..nobody will pay u a penny till u clear the exam! and Mr.GS, all though he decides a lot of things, he can't decide how to interpret the advocates act!

Why doesn't BCI give a small transparent presentation on the legal status of this exam and what finalists will and will not be allowed to do till December...any light on this point will be welcome!
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 21:26
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i feel that the BCI decision of Bar exam would be applicable to all law graduates. No one would be able to enroll without undertaking the exam. so that would mean all the enrollments would be on hold till december 2010.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 21:52
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The question is from when will our registration be counted for the purpose of seniority. Because if our registration date is counted from 2011 then we will be loosing out 6 months of senoirity, they should take the exam but shoud give us the registration with retrospective effect i.e. july-aug 2010.
Dushyant Arora 2 Jun 2010, 21:55
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@ Kian The title of the article uses the word "probably". Theres absolutely no doubt one can't practice till the certificate of practice is granted post clearing the exam successfully.



I see no point in the exam, I really wonder if any one at all will flunk it.

If the purpose of the exam was to filter out the chaff, then it should have been a little more difficult.

Everyone who passed their final year exams, without a book (hopefully)will clear this exam also.

Further for better administration of the exam also it could have been held in 2011 for the next batch of graduates.

All this actually raises doubts regarding the intention behind holding the exam and credibility of everyone involved.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:01
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Gopal Subramaniam may be in for crude shock soon enough, seems like he has overlooked reservation provisions while planning this whole money minting business in the name of improving quality. Soon enough they will have to incorporate reservations to the extent of 50 percent for SC/ST/OBCs, if Lower judiciary has such provisions, I see no reason why reservations wont extent to this exam!!
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:04
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This will all be challenged in court and an interim stay obtained. (Probably by someone who doesn't frequent LegallyIndia.) And rightly so-- there are plenty of grounds to show that the balance of convenience lies in maintaining the status quo ante pending final adjudication of the BCI's competence to take such policy decisions that are (IMHO) ultra vires the Advocates Act.

The BCI seems to have confused itself with the BCCI in trying to throw its weight around and not consulting all stakeholders before rushing with all this hoo-haa and subcontracting to a private party.

That's what one takes away from all this-- what's the hurry? If only the government moved with such haste on more important social issues.

I expected a lot more from Gopal Subramaniam.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:06
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for #4 . Rs 1300 is the fee for registration which is already there till date. One has to always pay this amount. moreover holding the exam would definitelt involve huge cost so some portion of it would indirectly fall on us
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:07
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I mean this is a joke. If you want to have a Bar Exam, and make it equivalent to the other countries, then dont make it an 'open book' one. What a horrendous and embarassing thing to do.

Logistically this exam should be enforced for the batch of students passing out next year.

Not losing more than eight weeks: Right, you are announcing the exam today, finalising the date for the 5th of Dec, giving the material on the 16th Aug, and results are out on 31st Dec. and this time frame allegedly is adding upto eight weeks?
Dushyant Arora 2 Jun 2010, 22:07
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Also I'm sure the money to be paid to RM was factored in the "Registration Fees" why should students have to pay for it!
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:09
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#8.
Probably the period of seniority would be counted from 31 January 2010( the day when we pass the exam) . n if that be the case then your apprehention of loosing 6 month period is true
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:11
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this is unfair , i ask the question that y those who has already passed the llb exams earlier are not been asked to appear for this.Remember, law is equal for everyone than y this??
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:16
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can somebody clearify that how can BCI announce this without an amendment in the advocates act ???
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:17
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Open book test? What a Joke. Students of Bihar, U.P would like this Open Book concept.

Also, may be Rainmaker will provide this Book to be opened & it will have its own cost.....ha ha
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:28
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I think theres no point in holding these exmas for 2009- 2010 batch as many of them have already been placed, some going for higher studies n becasue of these exams eveything is delayed...such a short notice for these exams is very unfair..
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:31
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Is the BCI website now being designed and maintained by Rainmaker? For how much (taxpayer) money? What exactly is Rainmaker's arrangement with the BCI? Are there no conflicts of interest?
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:35
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I agree with the fact that law is equal for all so y was these exams nt held fr our previous batches..y v only the suffers...the concept of conducting these exams from 2010 y is a bad step taken by BCI..loss fr all the applicants of 6 months who r applying fr it..
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:44
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To quote the protagonist of Arvind Adiga's White Tiger: What a f**ken joke.

Moily and his ministry are the biggest [...] in the UPA.
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 22:51
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I fail to understant the basis for deciding the date for the exam, plus what happens to the 2011 graduates do they give the exam this december or the the next year, which again would mean loosing out on an entire year, moreover if allowed to give the exam this year the date clashes with the exam date's for a lot of universities( mostly non-NLU's)
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 23:27
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How on earth are rainmaker being involved in this?

was any one else considered?

correct me if im wrong - but dont rainmaker consist of law grads who have never been to court. Isnt their capacity in corporate settings?

Why cant the council set the paper themselves considering the experience they have
Anonymous guest 2 Jun 2010, 23:40
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Here are the facts:
1. Enrolment will be by the State Bar Councils after the students graduate. The right to practise before the courts is only after the exam is passed. Seniority is based on date of enrolment, not on passing the exam. Those who enrol can still do EVERYTHING except file or appear in a court.
2. Rainmaker has received no payment for the website, for the simple reason that the BCI is wholly cash strapped. There is no payment to them, and hence their revenue will be out of a part of the Rs 1300 exam fee. The rest goes to the various Bar Councils.
3. The exam will not be easy. Many will fail, and BCI and Rainmaker will be blamed for having attempted to set basic standards.
4. No statutory amendment is necessary for a post enrolment condition laid down by the BCI.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 00:03
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@24: I totally support u dude! the guys who rainmaker had never been to the courts. More so, one of the rainmaker front-runner told me: that i dont like going to the courts because its damn pathetic. corporate lawyering is so much better. today, BCI has outsourced the job to rainmaker, i seriously doubt how a legal placement/soft skills enhancement agency set paper for the bar exam.

@6: thanks dude for your kind advice. I realize the same.

Besides, end of the day: Bar Exam is still void of any legal credibility/sanction. Advocates Act must be amended, without which bar exam is ultra-vires.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 00:10
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Wonder, what is the BCI actually trying to achieve with this exam while the council instead of conducting the exam itself has to outsource work to someone having just about no experience of the actual profession itself!!!

Had never ever heard of this Rainmaker, so googled for it. From their website, it is quite clear that they came into existence only in 1997. And had read in legally India that they have already had a split. Appears that this organization is run by some NLS graduates with little work-ex who have no know of the practicalities of the profession.

Or is it that BCI is not serious enough about this whole exam business!!!
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 00:33
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He He..its like the same old LST stuff back again. This only sows that Law Ministry is not at all prepared to conduct bar exam and as far Rainmaker is concerned, well my tryst with their so called "Legal Skills' course that they tried hard to sell was real bad. Thus entity was formed by guys who never practiced themselves. But I am still hopeful since 'something is better than nothing'. The best past remains though we all now know that this test is a mere formality it will help revive the Legal profession in long run. A right step taken in a very wrong way and at the wrong time.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 00:35
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What the hell, this test is best suited fro guys at Patna University et al. NLUs must not be bought under its ambit coz we already get in to one after an exam. Doesn't that make any sense?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 00:48
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Thank God I passed out 2 years back! No one's petitioning against this crap? Show some mettle guys!
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 01:00
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@ # 2 / # 4 - This is not a once in a lifetime opportunity.... If you are abroad for your LLM why do you need to enrol this year... U can come back and appear for the exam next year !!!
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 02:25
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Pls make it clear that what is the passing criteria for this exam.

Is there any negetive marking too?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 02:37
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Can we wear bands before exam
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 02:41
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Hello frnds my question is can we put the word advocate below our names in our visiting cards before we pass this exam. becuase BCI is confused and has laid a difference between enrolment and practice. if we say that we have enrolled our self then what should we say enrolment as advocate???? I think if we say we have enrolled as advocate and society recognise us as an advocate then i guess there will be lots of touts in the courts now.


HOw will u tackel them because those frustrated law gradutates will not sit keep quite and in courts no judge is ever concerned to see whether the advocate is tout or relaly enrolled.

I guess BCI must put a guard on the main door of every court room to check if the person is only enrolled advocate or has actully cleared bar exam or not.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 02:43
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Is your site not posting pro Rainmaker comments deliberately? My earlier clarifications are not up yet, and I have screen shots.

[No, we're posting up all comments within our usual rules, particularly pro as the debate has not been very balanced so far. Moderator was out for a meeting so there was a bit of a backlog and some comments may have been missed... But impressed you take screenshots of comments! -Ed]
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 02:54
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why has rainmaker been involved in this? Why can't this be all India exam like the UPSC. There has to be a reasoning to this which substantiates the same.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 03:03
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If there is so much of a problem this time..why not have it next time...what is the problem of ahving it in a proper manner?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 03:05
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this stinks of a scam the BCI must come out with something more transparent about how they selected these rain maker fellas and by the way it looks to me that the rainmaker guys made a nice presentation (with all its many meanings) and so now without thing twice we have the exam announced though nothing is still ready not even their ground work..
Why the hell did they not do the exam in July and if they couldn't get their act together why can't they spare us?

Mr. GS is certainly going to get a few sleepless nights over this...after all we are not going to bear these troubles alone..

And guys please stop thinking someone somewhere will file a writ..
or get yourself impleaded in this case
http://courtnic.nic.in/supremecourt/temp/dc 2233708p.txt
Bonnie Foi Law College SLP No. 22337/2008
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 03:12
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Wake up and smell the coffee boy...Welcome to the REal world..Mummy i already gave an exam ...your stupid CLAT doesn't count now your part of the masses boy...no point cribbing that you were an aristocrat...
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 03:32
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I feel this needs to be challenged in a court of law. What do others think (especially those from the 2010 batch)?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 03:57
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yes it must be challenged BCI have made us in sucha a tention taht i cant tell u guys, everyone knows that how difficult litigation is and what is the future in litigation then after they are running for exam they are snatching our bread
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 04:01
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just see the life of a person who is in legal field.

preparation for entrance test, 3 years law or 5 years, giving bar exam, joining senior getting less then 5000 rs in many cases free also, then waiting if on some day we can get a single client,

and compare career in any other field, u can see the difference instead of making legal profession more attractive full endevour has been made to corrupt the minds of young lawyers so that when the y becomes lawyers then they becomes greedy and stop serving anything to the society becuase society is not paying anything to the lawyer
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 04:48
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Is the Bar Council apart from being cash strapped, going through a drought of experienced people that they have to look at some bunch of [...] to hold an exam which is going to decide the future of lakhs of law grads. Why make a mockery of an otherwise welcome move. Council, atleast have the gumption to execute it on your own strength. or is it that if the experiment fails, blame this bunch [...].
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 04:59
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[..] bar council. it's opposing foreign law firms for [...] and mischievous reasons and is now busy making a nuisance of themselves with the bar exam. if the MCI can be abolished why not the BCI?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 06:02
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#44 I agree with you...if the MCI can be abolished then why not BCI. I had thought that GS will bring in a whiff of fresh air, but if "politics" of BCI is replaced by "regressive ideas" in the name of young blood then we dont want this. I mean they could have thought of a time table if everything was unachievable in year one....I am not sure what credibility will be there of the Bar Exam and if the credibility takes a beating in year one then this exercise is of no use.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 12:50
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Whether one likes or not, the 2010 law graduates have to take the BCI exams if they want to practice before any court.

The BCI Website makes it clear that every one can enrol. But only for the purpose of practicing before the Court, one has to clear the Bar Exam.

If any one wants to challenge the Exam as being violative of the Advocates Act, 1961 - yes they have a valid point and they can surely test the proposition before any court of law. No one stops them.

As regards why only 2010 law graduates and not earlier batches? - It hinges on the question of intelligible differentia. If any one is aggrieved, they can approach the court.
As regards Rainmaker hosting the BCI website and Rainmaker helping BCI in holding the Bar exam, the matter is between BCI and Rainmaker and the graduates can have no say - unless they have any concrete proof of wrongdoing or nepotism or insider information leaking etc.

The people who are participating in the discussion forum are all educated law graduates. But the kind of discussion seems to be like wailing and breast beating by an hapless old widow!

Loss of six months, seniority, exam with short notice etc. etc., are all sheer paraboles.

Let the forum focus on concrete issues like (i) whether BCI is having power under the Adv. Act to hold the proposed exam? (ii) whether there is any violation of Adv. Act since it propose to create two sets of advocates - i.e. enrolment without authority to practice and enrolment with authority to practice (iii) whether prescribing the exam only from 2010 graduates, and leaving out the earlier batches, is correct. All these issues can be taken up before the SC straight through a petition, once the results of the llb exam is out and the aggrieved persons become available.

Instead of wasting time in calling names, alleging motives and moaning, the young graduates must gather all the points with supporting authorities if any and then file the case on solid grounds and sound arguments.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 15:34
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what must be understood over here are certain deeper dynamics. GS having just been appointed as chairman of the BCI suffers from the unfortunate need to immediately vindicate his appointment by showing off some new radical reform he is undertaking. This unfortunate malaise spreads to the law ministry as well , of which GS is a part whereby we had "vision 2020" and a "National Litigation Policy". of which nothing came. if GS was not so publicity hungry and was serious about this bar exam , then logistics such as a common date for announcement of results , and minimizing the time lag for those who want to practice and graduate this year, should have been his priority.
it is unfortunate that in order to showcase his reformist zeal , we have suffered.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 15:37
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this is nothing more than pandering to the press by the newly elected chairman of the BCI.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 16:32
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[Comment deleted. Please do not write in SMS speak. -Ed]
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 17:14
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what bci doing is absurd.they are introducing a mockery of exam which is not heard in india.if bci is serious then it shold be compulsury for all who practicing this time. who will compensate this six month. are GS is god???????????????????????????what he has right to take away six month of our life? bci is hiding his failure to regulate legal education in the garb of exam. what's right of raimaker to introduce funny exam system.i feel..this collusion of GS AND RAINMAKER. it's complete [...] joke on legal system.so please unite nd raise a voice agaist unjust rule of bci.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 17:32
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[Message deleted - no SMS speak please. -Ed]
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 17:41
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Dear Kian,
I was just penning my comments requesting you to stop comments in SMS language of #49. To my pleasant surprise you have already done so.
In any case request the moderator not to permit the SMS language at all. For after all, this forum is meant for budding and flourishing lawyers who have to write proper english - the forum is not meant for SMSing ones fiance or pal!

[Agreed. So sorry about your post, I did not even notice the irony in your post as my eyes just glazed over as soon as I saw 20 2-letter words in a sentence... For reference and amusement, your reply now reposted: "wrt lyk dis nd i cn tl u dat upsc is a lng sht fr u."

Anyway, yes, SMS speak will be mercilessly deleted, except for in a few select discussions involving younger readers where we might make exceptions. -Ed]
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 17:46
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Good idea (i am being sarci here)....It will be worth a sight seeing sitting judges of the bench and senior counsels including the attorney general himself sitting for the bar exam responding to questions along with the fresh graduates. WAT A SIGHT....stalwarts like Nariman sir, jethmalani sir, salve sir, rohatgi sir studying from the preparatory material and sweating it out in the examination hall.

@ those who have an idea wats going on
After clearing the exam are we still supposed to pay Rs. 6500 (normal class) or 8500 (executive class) to bar association like Bar coucil of delhi to enroll or the 1300 fees covers all of the enrollment formalities. I think if 1300 is being charged instead of the outrageous 6500 to make us eligible to practice law then it is fine. I have no complaints. But after clearing the bar exam by paying 1300 and then again paying 6500 to enrol in the regional bar councils then it is plain fraud and thieviery planned by the BCI and regional bar councils.All this so that one can fight for justice. What a legal system.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 18:56
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I have some questions. Was a tender floated to appoint the entity to conduct this exam? How did Rainmaker qualify? Were there any other applicant to conduct this course? What are RM's credentials and experience? Have they conducted such large scale exams in other jurisdictions or for universities or professional bodies?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 19:13
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#54 I perfectly agree with you - BCI needs to come out clean ( real clean..... here) and reveal:
1) What process was followed to shortlist Rainmaker?
2) Was any competitive bidding done (which is essential to ensure competitive prices at good quality)?
3) why should candidates pay Rs 1300 if the same exam could have been held at much cheaper cost? What efforts / safeguards did BCI take? Can they reveal the same in a transparent manner on their website as to which all agencies were invited for this job? and what are their credentials?
Unless these questions ( and several more..) are ansswered by BCI they will be lablled as having collusion between Rainmaker and BCI.
Why shouldnt there be CBI inquiry into this alliance (if CBI could inquire MCI why not BCI)? Ultimately it will be candidates hard earned money which these guys are preying upon.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 19:22
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Dear $54,is it your concern to check up RM's Credentials? Is it not that of BCI. Why are you bothered?
If you are a competitor to RM certainly you have a right to question. But unfortunately I don't think that this is the forum for that.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 19:30
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@46 Your comment:

"As regards Rainmaker hosting the BCI website and Rainmaker helping BCI in holding the Bar exam, the matter is between BCI and Rainmaker and the graduates can have no say - unless they have any concrete proof of wrongdoing or nepotism or insider information leaking etc."

That's a completely atrocious statement. You clearly work for Rainmaker, don't you? BCI is a statutory body and it is imperative that their dealings are clean and transparent. How can you say that we don't have a say in it? I am a member of the BCI and therefore, I am entitled to know the workings of BCI. We all have a say in re the process that was adopted to appoint Rainmaker
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 19:35
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I am not a competitor to RM. I am an advocate and a member of the BCI, and therefore I have a right to question as a memeber of the BCI. You are right, it is not my concern to check RM's credentials. But it is my concern to know whether the process of appointment of RM was a transparent process through competitive bidding, as #55 has pointed out, it is essential to ensure competitive prices at good quality. Ultimately, its the graduates who have to bear the cost so all young graduates need to know.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 19:47
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I have passed LL.B. in 2009 and got enrolled with State bar council in May 2010. It is not clear to me whether I can start Practicing or have to take the Exam.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 19:51
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Dear #57 and #58, I am #46 and #56. All I am saying is that if you have to question the appointment of RM by BCI - whether it is fair, transparent, competitive, qualitative etc. etc., you can do so, but unfortunately this is not the forum to question that. After all you cannot question RM why they have been selected. But if you want you can question BCI as to why did they select RM. But, for that you should use the BCI site and not LI. That is all. If you question in LI, nobody can truly provide an answer for that. You will only be shouting in wilderness. What started off as an objection to the holding of bar exam by BCI for permitting the graduating LLBs to practice before the bench, is getting diluted. Assuming that RM has credentials, and BCI has followed all the procedures, what if? Still the question regarding the holding of the bar exam will linger? Instead of focussing on the main issue, it is pathetic to see that people are wandering in the periphery.
kianganz 3 Jun 2010, 19:52
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Hello,

FYI have had a conversation with someone close to the exam planning and apparently an FAQ will be posted on the BCI website on Monday which I was told would clarify a lot of points.

Best regards,
Kian
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 20:09
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Wonder if this is a nexus to fill Rainmaker's pockets n channel the gold to other "stakeholders" too.. The presentation looks more like- It is a very basic exam - We even give you the study material - But it is compulsory - AND - Its very expensive. Dunno who'll really benefit our of it...
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 20:49
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@46 - "Graduates cannot question Rainmakers' credentials - Well if you are even a law graduate, you might have heard about the Right to Information Act. When there is such a blatant lack of transparency and an esteemed body like the BCI chooses someone completely unheard of and without any worthy credentials or experiesnce to show, such questions will be raised.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 21:28
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Dear #63, first let me make it clear that I do not hold any brief either for RM or for BCI. One need not be a lawyer to know that there is an RTI Act. One need not also be a lawyer to obtain information through RTI. If the information can be obtained by RTI, one should file an application and obtain the information instead of questioning the same in the LI, where there is no chance of getting an answer at all.

But the moot point is what is one up against? Whether it is the bar exam, or the persons/organizations appointed to assist in conducting the exam? To my mind it is the bar exam per se and not the other issues. Whether the BCI is empowered to conduct the exam without amendment to the Advocates Act etc. etc. This being the core issue, why digress? As a budding lawyer, you should localise the main issue, instead of getting defocussed and spending energy on trivial issues, which in any case does not have any bearing on the main issue at all. Please go through the comments from 1 to 63, you will find where most of the discussions lead us to. To say the least, each comment should add value to the point at issue. But what I am finding is verbose expression of sheer emotions breft of sound arguments against holding of the bar exam per se.
As pointed out at #46, the forum should focus on concrete issues like (i) whether BCI is having power under the Adv. Act to hold the proposed exam? (ii) whether there is any violation of Adv. Act since it propose to create two sets of advocates - i.e. enrolment without authority to practice and enrolment with authority to practice (iii) whether prescribing the exam only from 2010 graduates, and leaving out the earlier batches, is correct. All these issues can be taken up before the SC straight through a petition, once the results of the llb exam is out and the aggrieved persons become available.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 21:44
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Dear #64, #46 and #60, you need not tell us what this forum should focus on. If questioning RM's appointment on this forum is 'shouting in wilderness", then so would be questioning on this forum BCI's decision to hold this exam. I see no reason why we should limit our discussions only to the bar exams and not discuss the processes, persons and systems involved in holding these exams. These are all co-related. Further, the expense for this exam is also a moot point which needs to be discussed - I would suspect that of the Rs. 1,600/- a substantial part would go to RM as fees for conducting this exam. Therefore, you are no one to say that we cannot comment on RM's appointment or that we cannot be curious to find out a) qualifications of RM and b) the process adopted by BCI to appoint RM and c) whether BCI had made any effort to keep the cost of conducting this exam at the lowest possible levels (which cost is to be borne by the examinees)
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:00
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Quite agree with #65
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:24
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Frnds lets pls all go to court now BCI have made Igo we have to do something otherwise they will get aside leaving we people on road
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:29
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GS has hit a crescendo. Crap outsourced and dished out to the student community.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:29
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Hi all.. The Bar Council of India website was relaunched by Rainmaker. RM is established by NLSIU alumni and they do a great job. Hats off! But under "Related Sites", the ONLY law college is NLSIU amongst other links such as the law commission, Supreme Court, Parliament of India, yada yada yada!!!!!! Thats just disgusting ... have RM-NLSIU-BCI cut a deal? .. is NLSIU the only college related to the BCI?? or may be, just maybe .. there are other institutions that teach the subject of law.!!
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:42
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Does BCI need an event manager for the exam? Who on earth is RM? Started by NLS grads? So what? Will you consider Haymaker? A bunch from uselessites law school just came together by that name. The pricing of the services will be much more competitive than RM's: they'll do it for free considering students are already getting screwed.
john2010 3 Jun 2010, 22:42
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It's probably because BCI started NLSIU. I can't think of any other reason.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:43
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Kian, having spoken to such person, can you please tell us whether they he/she works for Rainmaker? Will Rainmaker be the people drafting the FAQs that will be hosted on the BCI website?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 22:43
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Dear #65 and #66, if you refuse to see the larger picture, no one can help you. Please tell me for my understanding if RM is removed and some other organization suggested by majority of the would be LLB Graduates is appointed to conduct the exam is it OK. Would the grievance against holding of the bar exam would get settled? Are we against holding of the bar exam per se, or holding of the exam with the help of RM?
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 23:29
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Dear # 73, when something this big gets done in the "shadows" and withh no transparency it is bound to raise questions of dealmaking and then the whole debate on Bar Exam issue gets vitiated. ( It is like saying having a larger Indo-Pak dialogue pinned on future vision but with no reference to 26/11.... sorry that wont happen).

What I am appalled is the hurry with which GS rushed in everything into this exam intiative - hold your breadth sir - heaven wouldnt have fallen if there was a modicum of larger debate rather than pre-prepared press relases through favourite media friends. Have some debate to introduce credibility into an initiative which will impact every law graduate - current and future - by all means increase standards of the Bar but have some debate and invite comments.

And then why Rs 1300 - why not Rs 500?

It is a fact that BCI definitely would have been able to reduce the price of test significantly by bringing in fair and transparent competition - it is not without reason that govt. has tender / bidding norms.
Anonymous guest 3 Jun 2010, 23:58
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Dear #74, still evade the straight question. Assume, RM is removed. Assume the exam fee is made as 0. Would you still have objection to the bar exam or not. If you will still have objection to the exam, then that is the real issue and others are not. Any one can question anything. No one can stop. The issue is when the questions are answered will your problem will get solved or would still remain. As a would be budding lawyer, we should know how to remove the paraboles and look at the real issue(s) at stake. Unless we do this, we will lose the focus and go in a round. My only suggestion is let us refrain from such a disastrous step.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 00:05
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I agree with 3, 6 & 11. 18 has also added a humorous punch – by questioning whether Rainmaker will provide the book to be opened. Ha ha ha.

On facts that emerge from the article ….
- I wonder how this ‘enrolled lawyers w/o right to practice’ and ‘exam-passed lawyers with right to practice’ distinction is being done when the Advocates Act contemplates only 1 category of lawyers ??? Maybe BCI will get the Act amended, but otherwise, this question remains.
- If law grads can do everything other than ‘filing and appearing’, then essentially, they can do nothing. Majority of law graduates work in lower courts, where they earn a living by making appearances and filing etc. While it may be argued that they would not earn much in the 1st six months in any case, it is not in the BCI’s domain to deprive people of their right to life and livelihood in this manner. While BCI can frame requirements for right to practice, BCI is not empowered to prevent people from practicing till December. Either start this exam next year, or implement it right now with a provisional practicing license being issued till exam results are announced (if that is logistically possible).

From another perspective, open book exam and paper being easy as compared to other countries is not embarrassing or bad. The idea is to have lawyers who know basics and have legal reasoning skills. Its is a good idea and the BCI is being very dynamic here, and keeping in mind various limitations.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 00:27
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Please consider issuing provisional practicing license being issued till exam results are announced OR start this exam next year.
It is appalling to see BCI doing things that are in contravention of the Act and the procedure established by law, esp. with GS in charge (whom I respect a lot, like many others do)
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 02:14
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Hi, I think there is so much confusion, that everybody seems confused. My interpretation of the things is that from 2009-2010 batch onwards one can enrol himself as advocate but can't practice till he clears said exam. now the things are
i. That earlier batches can enrol and practice without this exam.
ii.That one take admission in any course with planning, when the current students took admissions there was nothing of the sort of exam. As per advocate act'1961 the status for them was that they shall become advocate immediately upon clearing their LL.B. so the exam is barred by the law of estoppel and as per principle of natural justice can only be made applicable for students who are going to take admissions in LL.B. from now onwards.

iii. That till now, Bar Councils do not register a person holding LL.B. but employed in other vocations, can the Bar council enrol such people now.

iv. The doubts require clarifications boss.

as far as my case is concerned, I am a LL.B. 2008-09 passout so can get enrolment without exam, but in my opinion things should be implemented post changes in advocate act and that too for students who intends to take admission from now on. and not for people already undergoing LL.B.

regards
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 03:40
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Guys....relax...i think you are getting unnecessary hyper !! Remember, there are many more Balajis out there... someone or the other would defintely file a writ against this, challenging BCI (and in all probabilities, challenging the appointment of Rainmaker as agent of this BCI activity).
So all you BCI and Rainmaker supporters, you can either:
1. pray that no one goes to court against this move of BCI, i.e. holding bar exams at short notice and appointing Rainmaker to conduct exams; or
2. keep quiet on this forum and instead concetrate on preparing your defences and arguments to build up a strong case against such writ. t

thanks, regards, corporate lawyer with 7 years in profession
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 06:13
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Hi # 79... i like your sense of wry humor.Jokes apart, the Rainmaker thing really stinks - these RM guys are indeed smart - they have no investment, no reputation in exams (of this scale)..but they got the contract ( only God or the VC who is funding RM knows- next these guys will look for buyers for RM - like they sold the LST company to Career Launcher earlier.

Long story short - RM will create valuation for their company by showing their order book from BCI (actually it is not BCI...it is the money of hapless candidates from nalgonda, allepey, lucknow, siliguri, mavalikarra, bikaner and so many other towns that make up India) - this money from candidates will improve the valuation of RM (and not BCI) - RM will find a buyer (like found a buyer for LST) and sell their company for a huge profit. Shouldnt there be a larger investigation, frineds?

To RM: Please sirs this is not Wall Street..this is Indian lawyer Marg.

(however I have a friendly advice- if you find any shares of RM please buy them, when RM will be sold at a high valuation the shareholders will make a killing)

I find all this very reprehensible and this also vitiates the larger deabe of Bar Exams.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 12:43
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#80..a very good point and analysis.
Would the appointment of rainmaker also be clarified in the FAQs being put up on Monday? The appointment of rainmaker definitely seems to be a FAQ, judging by the comments here. Maybe RM or BCI may wish to come clean & clarify the appointment process. Maybe Kian, you could ask GS or RM to clarify for LI's readers
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 17:13
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i doubt we'll have desks as good(see photo) to write the exam...of course the photo is just being put like that...but point is will we have fans and lights in these rooms or not? Dec5th --Central heating may be?
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 17:15
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will Rainmaker also start a course 'How to Crack the Bar?'
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 17:45
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No,They will form another company in the name "Elite Legal" or "Easy Legal" or "XYZ" and
start producing Coaching Material from there on "How to crack the Bar Examination"
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 17:56
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#82- this is the most stupid post made on this blog
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 18:14
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#85 - very pertinent and useful observation :-)
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 18:18
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#80 to #85 does not seem to be serious LLBs. They are poking fun at everything and betraying their lack of sense. Probably the bar exam is meant to precisely filter these stuffs.
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 18:23
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ALLAHABAD: At a meeting of district committee All India Democratic Students Organisation (AIDSO) held on Thursday, the speakers criticised the decision of Bar Council of India for holding a common entrance test for law graduates.

Addressing the meeting the district secretary, Mohit Mishra said that there is no relevance of any test in the legal profession until the government ensures providing salary, allowance and pension benefits to those who clear the entrance test and become lawyers. If the government is interested in producing deserving lawyers than it should provide financial assistance to law institutes and colleges imparting legal education so that they can recruit adequate number of teachers and provide necessary library facilities.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/6008887.cms
Anonymous guest 4 Jun 2010, 21:25
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BCI is like the BCCI. Nuff said.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 00:32
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Wanna bet there is no way this stupid exam will keep me out...for a lawyer (with Rm?) Mr. 87 you have abysmal interpretation skills I advise you to read up on the comic genre..May help you fight a defamation case some day..
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 00:34
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Bharat ki janta ki jai ho..I am sure in the long run we are safe because people other than the elitists GS RM and NLS's are also there in this country...Long live the masses! Down with the classes!
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 00:51
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Dear # 90, Good luck to you. Bring the defamation suit.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 01:26
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# dear 92 again you fail to understand what i say...i never said you were defaming me even if you do I am the joker i don' take offence...i was saying learn about the comic genre it may help you sue me/or some other clown..but i bet your the corporate type..so no prob..
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 04:31
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Mr. #87 wants to filter out #80 to #85, seems to be a nerd and lacks basic human social skills.These types of elitists do a lot to show their class but fail miserably down the line.Please try to respect others to get recognition.
Now we should discuss law points.
Mr#87 instead throwning venom at others try put forward your points favouring the examination.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 04:35
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simply a tactic to make moolah at the expense of students!!! i condemn this step!!!!
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 11:57
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Frnds dont distract urself concentrate on the issue i can see in the atest posts people are fighting between themselves fight against BCI, lets be unit together.

we have to fight against BCI, so keep on making plans how to stop him as son as possible otherwise Law students Vs. GS, Molli& Others
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 11:58
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Frnds u know why we are facing these days because in the very begining every law student was supporting this exam and was saying that this must be done it is very good and blaa blaa...................
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 17:25
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While details relating to the bar exam are not yet finalised, the proposal could mean that 2010 graduates would not be able to appear to argue in courts before January 2011, as the exam is scheduled for December 2010, although it would not be required for graduates pursuing advisory work and transactional law in corporate firms in India or abroad, judicial clerks, law teachers or students pursuing LLMs abroad.

Is it justice or shameless promotion of firms and gateway for foreign firms...
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 17:26
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haha!! anyone who supports bar exam is supposedly to be an employee of RM and who doesnt are the supporters of the masses.. KUDOS to you all for the great conversation. Losing all the respect I had for the Legal Profession reading all these comments posted above..
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 20:20
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Engineering and Medical students are not going to take this type of exam after their course...Why should we?
Moreover they get proper stipend during their internship.Is BCI thinking about it for those who qualify the Bar Examination.If not...their is no point conducting the examination.

Betterment of a "part of society" is a natural process it cannot be forced upon.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 20:55
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I guess now legal profession has become hopeless profession, earlier i was thinking that when i will be advocate then i will do charity for the society and will not take fees from poor people but now i will not care for any poor and needy person when nobody thinks for me then y should i think for others.
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 20:56
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frnds do something more writting on blogs will not work we have to move to the SC as fast as we can
Anonymous guest 5 Jun 2010, 21:45
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Law is now not for "not so good" ones...
Dubby 5 Jun 2010, 21:47
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#78 has made the point that the "exam is barred by the law of estoppel and as per principle of natural justice can only be made applicable for students who are going to take admissions in LL.B. from now onwards".

Does that mean that the first exam can only be conducted in 2015. Perhaps in the interim the BCI and Rainmaker (we need their services in my part of the country) can hone their skills by conducting mock tests and refining their database.
Anonymous guest 6 Jun 2010, 00:02
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Just go through the notification of BCI website :

http://www.barcouncilofindia.org/notification-amending-conditions-for-right-to-practice-and-bringing-the-all-india-bar-examination-into-force/


A resolution was adopted by the Bar Council of India on 10 April 2010 to conduct an All India Bar Examination, the passing of which will entitle an advocate to practice law in India. Consequent to the resolution, the following rules were inserted into Part VI, Chapter III of the Bar Council of India Rules. It is yet to be published in the Gazette of India.

[To be inserted as Rules 9 to 11 in Part VI, Chapter III of the Bar Council of India Rules – Conditions for Right To Practice – under Section 49(1)(ah) of the Advocates Act, 1961]

RESOLVED that as the Bar Council of India is vested with the power of laying down conditions subject to which an advocate shall have the right to practice, these Rules, therefore, lay down such condition of an All India Bar Examination, the passing of which would entitle the advocate to a Certificate of Practice which would permit him/her to practice under Chapter IV of the Advocates Act, 1961.

9. No advocate enrolled under section 24 of the Advocates Act, 1961 shall be entitled to practice under Chapter IV of the Advocates Act, 1961, unless such advocate successfully passes the All India Bar Examination conducted by the Bar Council of India. It is clarified that the Bar Examination shall be mandatory for all law students graduating from academic year 2009-2010 onwards and enrolled as advocates under Section 24 of the Advocates Act, 1961.

The All India Bar Examination

10. (1) The All India Bar Examination shall be conducted by the Bar Council of India.

(a) The Bar Examination shall be held at least twice each year in such month and such places that the Bar Council of India may determine from time to time.

(b) The Bar Examination shall test advocates in such substantive and procedural law areas as the Bar Council of India may determine from time to time.

(c) Such substantive/procedural law areas and syllabi shall be published by the Bar Council of India at least three months prior to the scheduled date of examination.

(d) The percentage of marks required to pass the Bar Examination shall be determined by the Bar Council of India.

(e) An unsuccessful advocate may appear again for the Bar Examination, without any limit on the number of appearances.

(f) The Bar Council of India, through a committee of experts, shall determine the syllabi, recommended readings, appointment of paper setters, moderators, evaluators, model answers, examination hall rules and other related matters.

(g) The Bar Council of India shall determine the manner and format of application for the examination.

(h) Upon successfully passing the Bar Examination, the advocate shall be entitled to a Certificate of Practice.

Application for Certificate of Practice

11. (1) The Certificate of Practice shall be issued by the Bar Council of India to the address of the successful advocate within 30 days of the date of declaration of results.

(2) The Certificate of Practice shall be issued by the Bar Council of India under the signature of the Chairman, Bar Council of India.
Anonymous guest 6 Jun 2010, 05:26
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The students who are entitled to give examination, enrolled in the course in last 5 years knowing that they will practise in the court after passing the exam from BCI approved colleges and BCI approved syllabus from recognised universities and some of them are reputed ones.

They might have opted for another career if they knew the gliches attached due to BCI hesty decision.BCI cannot do whatever they like.
Anonymous guest 7 Jun 2010, 01:34
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Now it is time to wind up Bar Council of India like Medical Council.
Anonymous guest 7 Jun 2010, 02:48
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Pls do something fast BCI [...], BCI ne constitution ke dhajiyan udadee
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 01:54
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It is not evident from the "All India Bar Examination - Frequently Asked Questions",How a basic level entrance can enhance the existing legal system?

It should be made mandatory for Practising lawyers also from whose behaviour the presumption of "low standard" have been made.

You canot keep a busket of fruit fresh without throwing out the rotten ones.
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 04:16
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http://www.legallyindia.com/20100331632/Law-firms/bar-council-to-crack-down-on-law-firm-websites-and-advertisement

What about rainmaker...they have websites too.

BCI is playing double standard.
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 04:20
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#109 is the best comment made
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 04:35
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BCI and Rainmaker is playing with the future of Lakhs of students.Just go through the ponts :

What is the minimum percentage of marks required for clearing the All India Bar Examination?

The minimum required score to clear the All India Bar Examination is 40% (that is, 40 out of 100). Do note, however, that this issue is being finalised with the Expert Committee set up by the Bar Council of India. There is no negative marking in the All India Bar Examination.

Is there a separate cut-off in the All India Bar Examination for different subjects or sections?

Advocates need to get at least thirty-one (31) marks in the first section, comprising the ‘Category I’ subjects, and at least nine (9) marks in the second section, comprising the ‘Category II’ subjects. Do note, however, that this issue is being finalised with the Expert Committee set up by the Bar Council of India.


Nothing is clear.Everything will be finalised by the "Expert Commitee" after the exam.

So affected students should standup and fight.Who gave them right to do so.
All student unions should come forward to fight the menace.
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 15:20
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I seriously advice that people should come on streets and fight we now need a Mahatma Gandhi for this. We are law students we know the role of media why dont we bring this issue in media.

Basically BCI is making experiment on it.

What will happend if Exam gets flop like it happend with CAT who will compensate our year.
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 22:54
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#109 superb comment
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 23:42
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#109 Sir may i know ur profile i mean to ask from which law college u have studied becuase the comment u have made is mind blowing and i must say u will be a very sucessfull person this profession, the language u hve used is like the language used in the judgements.
Anonymous guest 9 Jun 2010, 02:20
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I want to Know whether a enroled law graduate before clearing the all india bar exam can be admitted as a partner in a law firm???
Anonymous guest 9 Jun 2010, 05:45
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Many of us in this country(India) unlike (U.K,U.S) choose a profession for earning bread and butter,better to say roti,dal(most of the middle class & lower class people if we consider them as human beings),not for showing personal charismatic standard.
Most of them who belong to this society may not be able to put up a blog here because they are "presumed" to be not upto the mark.
I know one of them (I admit my fault) who told me it would have been better instead of learning law for 5 yrs if he had learned ITI or junior techical courses.

Mr. Minister and Reformists try to think about them even if in your wildest dreams.

Reforms cannot be made by inflicting hardship on weaker section of the society and breaking their small dreams.
Anonymous guest 9 Jun 2010, 15:09
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#117 Sir now we are helpless dont say anything two these 2 legal celebrities, lets now not fall in there legs, the only option for us is to challenge this in SC and to demonstrate on roads and making it public.

I dont know why not anything is being published in newspapers.

The only concern for us it stop this exam atleas for students passing this year. I dont understnad why cant they start this exam for next year students.
Anonymous guest 10 Jun 2010, 04:49
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Stop the examination forever until BCI improves the infrastructure for all the colleges and universities under it,not only NUJS,NLS etc.

Student unions of law colleges,universities should project it to the respective authorities and to the media.There should be debates over the issue.

What the bar associations are thinking about it ?
Anonymous guest 10 Jun 2010, 19:57
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/17918.cms . 10 years down the ,lane- Something that can be used?
Anonymous guest 10 Jun 2010, 20:41
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I do not know the why the Law Minister and the Chief of Bar Council entered into this kind of activities? Let them bring some reforms in the Colleges at the time of I yr admission. The exams if feel mandatory let them conduct at free of cost and provide the conveyance. Only one time a law graduate can take up this exam and should not insist for their pass and the seniority should start from the day they applied to the Bar council for enrollment.
Anonymous guest 11 Jun 2010, 04:50
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tell me what wil be the consequences if rainmakes fail to conduct exam this year will BCI ask for adjurnment at the cost of law students
Anonymous guest 11 Jun 2010, 04:54
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this is the first time so keep it for students passing next year y to do experiments with students of this year
Anonymous guest 13 Jun 2010, 04:54
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I think now lawstudents are sleeping
Anonymous guest 13 Jun 2010, 04:56
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This is my message to all lawstudents I m challenging you all "rook sakoo to roklo" we have made all arangements with council and exam will be conducted soon.
Anonymous guest 14 Jun 2010, 17:34
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lets all do one thing we will start practicing law after we once get enrolled no body bothers in the court that whether we are 2009-10 pass outs or passed in earlier batches. If judge will ask that are u and advocate?? then we will show our enrolment number.
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 00:33
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If Bar Council really wants to improve the standard of legal system of India,they should provide good infrastructure and learning facility to all law students of India not only NUJS,NLS etc.

Then they can think to take examination even on monthly basis free of cost.

In the name of improving standard they are actually feeding a company out of public money.
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 09:03
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this is not a welcme proposal..if this would be done..then it wolud amount to discrimination between the students who are about to complete LL.B & those who have already enrolled as an advocate..
Anonymous guest 17 Jun 2010, 23:34
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Bar council is adopting the principle of convenience they want to target those on whom they can have control they dont have courage to do serious legal reform by challenging the caliber of already practicing advocates.

ONe of the important concern is also are senior advocates actually senior
Anonymous guest 20 Jun 2010, 03:03
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ALL IS JUST A SHIT THEY ARE JUST VESTING STUDENT TIME, MONEY AND ENERGY PERSON WHO TAKEN ADMISSION AND COMPLEATED LL.B. AND NOW THEY INTRODUCE THIS SHIT. WHY STUDENT GIVE EXAM IF HE ALREADY CLEARED THOSE SUBJECT WHICH IS PRESCRIBED AND AFFILIATED BY TEH BAR COUNCIL. AND MOREOVER AT THE ADMISSION TIMING BAR NEVER EXPRESS THIS VIEW OTHERVISE CANDIDATE MAY HAVE NOT TAKEN ADMISSION AND MIGHT CHOSEEN ANOTHER FEIELD. IF STUDENT DIDNT PASS IN THIS EXAM HIS STUDY/DEGREE WILL USELESS. AND MID BETWEEN HOW BAR IS CHANGING THE RULE IF BCI WANTS TO INCREASE STANDARD WHY THEY DONT TAKE EXAM AT ENTRY AND ADMISSION LEVEL SO THAT ONLY QUALIFIED WILL GET ADMISSION AND PERSON WHO IS REALY INTERESTED WILL COME IN THIS FIELD. I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW BCI AMENDING THE ADVOCATES ACT WHICH IS A CENTRAL ACT AND ONLY LEGISLATION AUTHORITY HAS RIGHT TO AMEND IT NOT BCI.
PEOPLE WAKE UP FIGHT FOR UR JUSTICE THEN ONLY U WILL ABLE TO FIGHT FOR OTHER .

Anonymous guest 5 Jul 2010, 17:49
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I want to know about the syllabus of enrollment of advocate by bar council of India for the BA(LLB) Pass students for the he exam will take place on 5 December..
plz reply me...
Anonymous guest 21 Aug 2010, 03:14
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Exam should be cancelled because this entrance exam can be taken before admission in law
for eg:
medical,MBA,Engineering entrance are taken before admission and admissions are given on the basis of CET marks.
That is a correct way.
Anonymous guest 9 Sept 2010, 00:58
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cha bad luck bar xm
Anonymous guest 28 Oct 2010, 02:35
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this is realy ridiculious the date to dispatch materials is not followed.coz sum students havent received their material yet how are they suppose to prepare?