BCI replies to more LI readers' bar exam FAQs

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The Bar Council of India (BCI) has responded to common queries and concerns about the bar exam, explaining that the BCI is discussing options to ameliorate lot of 2010 batch graduates, that legal challenges will cause no shift in timetable, and that the Rs 1,300 test fee is reasonable, answering questions relating to Rainmaker’s appointment to assist in the exam.

BCI spokesperson Gopal Sankaranarayanan replied to Legally India (LI) queries by email that were compiled from common reader comments posted on the site.

Legally India (LI): The need for the exam is clear. Part of the reason the timeline for this has been so tight is because the BCI and its chairman Gopal Subramanium are concerned that if it does not happen quickly it would get mired in delays and objections and may never happen. However, final year students appear to be particularly concerned that:

If going into litigation they will technically not be allowed to litigate until January 2011. One graduating student who claims he already has clients who want to file cases for him as soon as he enrols, and now he will not be able to do so himself. Is there a solution you can propose in cases like this, or is it a necessary evil that unfortunately falls on the 2010 batch?

Sankaranarayanan (BCI): This is a point that has been raised by many students and advocates. There is absolutely no intention on the part of the BCI to impose the examination in an unilateral fashion. After all, the revitalising of the profession can only be done by taking everybody along.

There are a couple of options that are being presently discussed, to ameliorate the lot of the present batch, and a decision will be taken in this regard shortly.

LI: If students are going to law firms, BCI chairman Gopal Subramanium wrote in his comment to students on Legally India: “by the way no firm will revoke its offer. if there is a problem contact me.” Can you guarantee that firms will abide by this? After all, it is arguably law firms’ prerogative to revoke job offers or to pay less if they feel that the value they derive out of new joiners who can not appear in court or sign legal opinions is less?

BCI: This comment was in the context of the concern of some students that their job offers would be revoked as they do not now have a right to practise law until the exam is cleared. The BCI reiterates the assurance, on the basis of exchanges with the various law firms, that no job offers will be revoked on this basis.

LI: How will the split between enrolment and practice be enforced in the courts in practice? The Karnataka Bar Council for example has asked about this in the past.

BCI: Thus far, if any advocate were practising in court without being enrolled, the same would be subject to the disciplinary mandate of the respective Bar Council. The same disciplinary authority would apply to those who have not passed the examination as well. There are various other checks and balances which are being worked into the system, regarding which announcements will be made at a future date.

LI: Did you expect legal challenges to the bar exam when you first announced it? Has the fact that at least 10 writ petitions have now been filed changed anything in respect of the bar exam? Could this potentially cause a shift in the timetable from 5 December?

BCI: It is always expected that when the legal profession is sought to be regulated, there will be some sections of discontent which would approach the courts. The number of challenges changes nothing as far as the BCI is concerned.

It must not be forgotten that the genesis of the present measures is in the lead taken by the Supreme Court in the Bonnie Foi case. You can rest assured there will be no shift in the timetable on this count.

LI: Some readers have expressed concern that Rainmaker could launch bar exam training courses or pitch existing services or courses to bar exam takers.

BCI: Rainmaker has an exclusive arrangement with the Bar Council of India for the purposes of executing the All India Bar Examination.

Rainmaker WILL NOT have any training courses or tutorials or any other products related to the All India Bar Examination. The course material which will be sent to each candidate is the exclusive property of the Bar Council of India.

As a result, Rainmaker is in no position to profit from the association except for the payment by the BCI to it based on the number of candidates taking the examination.

LI: Have steps been taken to ensure confidentiality of information in the database of test takers?

BCI: The database of candidates will be fully protected and only utilised by the BCI for purposes of its internal management. However, all of this will be subject to existing laws on transparency and disclosure.

LI: Is the majority of exam-related work done in-house by the BCI?

BCI: Yes.

LI: Can you disclose the fees that Rainmaker will be paid for its bar exam services? Many seem to believe that Rainmaker has found a goldmine and will take a lion’s share of the Rs 1,300 fee from each test taker directly. From what I’ve heard, I believe this is a misunderstanding of the facts, so it would help to get some clarity.

BCI: I am surprised there are “many” who are concerned about Rainmaker’s alleged profits. It is unlikely to be of interest to anybody apart from those who are Rainmaker’s competitors or rivals. But in any case, all fees are paid directly to the Bar Council of India, from which Rainmaker will be compensated for their services.

Rainmaker will have no direct receipts from the test takers at all. It may also be pointed out that the exam fee includes the cost of registration, detailed materials, conveyance, conduct of exams and evaluation in a time bound manner.

On this scale, the fees charged for the examination is much less than other national exams similarly conducted.

LI: Can you disclose the fees that Rainmaker will be paid since this is public procurement and in the interests of transparency?

BCI: I must correct your notion that this is public procurement. The BCI is an autonomous regulatory body, which has entered into an agreement to achieve its objectives. The remuneration to Rainmaker is a fair one, as is only to be expected when entering into a service agreement with a professional outfit.

I see in your questions the anxiety regarding the costing of the exam. Maybe it will better help understand the issue by noting that the leading examinations in the country - JEE, CLAT and CAT cost Rs.1,000, Rs.2,500 and Rs.1,400 respectively, without any of them providing study material. In contrast, the Professional Competence Test run by the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India for entry into that profession charges Rs.7,500 for the course.

In this light, the Rs.1,300/- being charged for the Bar Exam along with the study materials is a reasonable amount, in keeping with prevalent industry markers.

For more answers to bar exam related queries read Gopal Subramanium’s Q&A published last week on Legally India.

Further answers to frequently asked questions (FAQs) on the bar exam are available on the BCI’s website.

If you have any additional bar exam related queries, please email the BCI at or leave comments below and we will summarise relevant and common queries and forward them to the BCI.

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Comments

Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 06:16
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you left out the most important question: will foreign citizens be allowed to give the exam from 2012?
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 12:13
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"It is unlikely to be of interest to anybody apart from those who are Rainmaker's competitors or rivals."

so convenient to just start labeling of those who voice genuine concern as competitors or rivals of Rainmaker? Though comes as no surprise in this age when anyone who criticize state for its policies in some of the regions of country immediately gets branded as maoist sympathizer, why would BCI be any different in name calling those who raise criticizing voice!

Gopal Subramanium is in a hurry to make a name for himself and is trying to do anything that is fashionable, looks progressive, and grabs him headlines. The manner in which he has proceeded with his proposed bar exam, the magical solution, suggest that he is [...] person, a very dangerous person to be in such important position. It is no secret to those closer to ground on how efficiently BCI has performed its regulatory functions over the years, now we have Gopal Subramanium, the messiah, as chairman of BCI who chooses to target most gullible and weakly organized group of people on which he can start to experiment and make name for himself in the process. Again people on ground knows fully well how solicitor generals are appointed and how transparent this process is! I wonder how such people then go on to take high moral ground and preach others..was it GS who asserted that his sons would be appearing for bar exam too and charity begins at home? I wonder how dumb he consider people in the profession!
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 14:55
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Somebody ask mr. chairman BCI how he thinks to do good thinks for law by a luglakki farman and he well aware that many law students resides very far from the Place of SBC why not BCI provide the form online, is there any consparacy to minimise the no. of advocates?
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 16:49
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What a load of doublespeak! BCI: ..|.,
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 16:51
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Isnt the BCI also a statutory body....and the people who want to know about the money being paid to Rainmaker are either lawyers or would be lawyers ....and so they're already members of the Autonomous Regulatory Body we're talking about here.

Whats the fuss about not disclosing the money issues.
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 16:52
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Why doesn't the BCI chairman set an example by deciding to stay away from appearing into Court for the next six months till the Bar Exam results are declared.
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 16:55
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BCI is the enemy of the legal profession. They oppose the entry of foreign universities and foreign law firms, have done nothing to address the exploitation of junior advocates, and have not taken any anti-corruption measures.
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 17:51
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I love the way there is no direct answer on how much is rainmaker being paid. Someone file an RTI.
fatehpal singh 23 Jul 2010, 18:23
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seriously the questions did not even starch the surface.
what about the findings of the 3 member expert committee report?
what about Rainmaker's Control and stake in LST?
what about the numerous other commission reports and findings which go against bar EXAMS?
What the procedure that was followed in the selection of a Private company to Run exams ?
Also please read the order of the Bonnies LAw School case it says " the program of the 3 member committee be operationalized,". And not Bar Exams. consider the keep quoting it . we all have read the orders and have all the reports.

Could you please also ask these questions?
Will career launcher or Lst offer bar exam coaching?

Bar exams are needed no doubt but the way in which the BCI is doing its work raises alot of questions?
fatehpal singh 23 Jul 2010, 18:25
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whats the Procedure............................

considering they keep quoting it.
Anonymous guest 23 Jul 2010, 18:51
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dear GS if you are really concerned about falling standards why is the BCI opposing the entry of foreign universities?
Anonymous guest 24 Jul 2010, 03:14
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There is one story once a mad buffao became out of control and went on raods and started crushing thousands of peopleand ultimately that buffalo was send u hospital, i think our learned frnd also needs a treatment
Anonymous guest 24 Jul 2010, 03:15
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I think nowdays senior lawyrs got planty of time in making policies i guess' unke aajakal practice nahi chalte" they got free time to think crap.
Anonymous guest 24 Jul 2010, 15:35
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Grow up, guys. And use that time to learn some basic grammar and spelling. Not to forget a much needed upgrade in typing skills. For the record, its high time that the BCI did what it is now doing. There is a lot more that needs to be done and hopefully, once the concerns of the present batch are taken care of, that part will get the attention that it very badly needs.

For starters, a screening for those of us who are already practicing. A screening test to re-validate the license to practice at the end of five years of practice.
Anonymous guest 24 Jul 2010, 22:21
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@14: This is my common observation here that whenever someone adds a comment having some grammatical errors or faulty structure of sentences, someone or other jumps in to question that person's capacity to become lawyer and some even justify need of bar exam to weed out those with supposedly poor expression in English language, forgetting completely the fact that in our country one can choose to answer law papers during course of LLB in his regional language in many law schools(Law Faculty, Delhi University allow student to answer his exam papers in Hindi), moreover such person can choose to practice in his regional language as well. So even if someone is not comfortable with expressing ideas in English, he/she may be quite good or even better than you in terms of content and delivery of that idea in his/her regional language. Such elitist and arrogant show by those comfortable with English language alienates those who are less fortunate with this language and creates bitterness which will give call for assertion of regional languages even in higher courts(already happening in Tamil Nadu) and may further result in such backlash where you might find yourself in difficult and disadvantageous position for the purpose of practice in some of the courts.
Anonymous guest 25 Jul 2010, 01:29
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All the BCI answers are just beating around the bush.@14 seriously grow up.

just cause someone manages to put their views forward which don't match your's don't make it a smear campaign against all the grammatically weak.


whatever grammar problems he/she might have the points of law here are to be understood.

BCI cannot conduct the exams without an Amendment to the Advocates Act. plain and simple.
Anonymous guest 26 Jul 2010, 13:31
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#15, #16 - just glance through comments at # 2, 3, 6, 7, 12, 13 and see if your sermon on overlooking grammar/typos is either necessary or even relevant. Those comments, even if made in impeccable grammar and absent any errors, or even, as #14 seems to suggest, in the language of choice of the comment-poster, would still be in poor taste and add nothing of value to a discussion on what is truly an important issue for the profession. The 'grow up' plea was more to the content of these posts rather than, at first blush, to the language employed. While we grapple with the issue of the need for a bar exam, which, for the record, I totally endorse, we also need to address the call for use of other pressing issues which relate to the profession, such as ethics, professionalism, continuing legal education, appointments to higher judiciary, declining interest in litigation, use of extra-legal remedies by people dis-illusioned with the justice delivery system, endemic delays in our courts, lack of infrastructure in our courts .... one of the first steps that a moribund BCI has taken is in the area of reform of the Bar - this by itself is just a beginning and much more needs to be done. That process is not going to be helped by inane, pointless comments like several of the ones on this LI report.
ashisharun 26 Jul 2010, 20:56
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Results of colleges under the Calcutta University are not out yet and there doesn't seem to be any hope of the same happening in the near future. How are these students expected to get enrolled in time and apply for the bar exam?
Anonymous guest 27 Jul 2010, 01:50
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Yes thats true... many of the colleges didnt get their results yet .. so how are they going to enroll on time ??
Anonymous guest 27 Jul 2010, 03:33
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good english. poor message.
what are you trying to say here again ahem ahem?
Also could please bing the tea and cake its almost tea time.
Anonymous guest 27 Jul 2010, 04:40
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bring the tea sonny boy ,bringing the tea, not binging it.

Bci is making a positive effort towards much needed change yet all you enlightended bafoons think it should be de-railed .
With much needed positive outcomes in the long run.
Anyway like you big shot lawyers would be doing anything more than internig for the first 6 months.
Anonymous guest 27 Jul 2010, 18:25
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It would be bettter to postpone to 2011 or give some concessions like permitting the present batch to practise till clear consensusevolved or allowing all to practice without exam if they have received results passed before notification date.Just telling and not doing anything will affect the concerned.
Anonymous guest 27 Jul 2010, 21:53
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is there any personal interest of anybody in bringing in a new test in finding the capability and aptitude of a graduate? bcoz we know a law graduate can prove their mettle only thru post qualification training with seniors/ court and sustenance and interest in the profession. can anything be proved with a mere test?
Anonymous guest 27 Jul 2010, 22:30
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@ 20: what 17 is saying is quite clear and very easy to understand, for most, I guess. Much rot that needs to be stemmed in the great Indian legal system and high time BCI and other bodies got their act together. One small step towards quality control is an entry level screening. What part of 17's post escaped your sharp intellect and your razor sharp wit? I reckon posts 12 and 13 are more suited to your comprehension.
Anonymous guest 28 Jul 2010, 01:15
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This kind of harassing a particular vbatch only at the time of just passing and eligible for enrolment is against principleof natural justice and can this not be represented through MPs inthe parliament also
Anonymous guest 28 Jul 2010, 03:11
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Kindly conduct the exam for advocates also. Lets see whether Bar Council of India Chairman Gopal Subramaniam will pass the bci exam or not.
Anonymous guest 28 Jul 2010, 07:21
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Please take a loot at this of a video of GS speaking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYYzi3buZDI&feature=related

He talks about how making processes transparent will make democracy "sounder". What about appointing Rainmaker now? Hypocrisy seems to be the vaseline of social intercourse, in his case.
Anonymous guest 28 Jul 2010, 16:33
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When the Legal Fraternity in India is against the new Exam and the State Councils having objections, how come the new resolution passed thru the committee? It seems that the exoffio's of BCI are supporting the new idea of the exams.
Anonymous guest 29 Jul 2010, 09:32
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BAR EXAM IS ESSENTIAL. It's a great step to weed out the pests. But the issue is this is a PUBLIC PROCUREMENT - why cant BCI disclose Rainmaker's stake in this? Has BCI given other competitors a fair chance to make a bid? Transparency is important. It's sad that Rainmaker turned out to be [...]. Big brains should act clean too.
Anonymous guest 29 Jul 2010, 16:52
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@29
why do u feel the bar exam is essential? what are the reasons behind it? why didn't u apply ur mind to the medicine, first of all of all professional courses? can u ever prove that after passing of the exam,the successful candidate or above 50% of the candidates who passed out will be successful in the profession? therefore why ask the aspirants to the profession to spent another rs.1300.00 and tuition fees for coaching. why stall lakhs of people( law graduates)trying earn bread and butter in this country to further unemployment by introducing a new unnecessary procedure. the people shud think.
Anonymous guest 30 Jul 2010, 23:37
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What is the status of July 30 hearing of Supreme Court regarding Bar Council Examination ?
Anonymous guest 31 Jul 2010, 00:40
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the first question i ask BCI is how the 100 multiple choice questions aproximataely5/7 covering over 20 subjects would be a guarantee the ability of the lawyers intelgihnce.

Did the BCI forget that ehse subjects were studied over many years before qualifying as Law graduate.

Why BCI is not considsering updating the knowledge of the existing advocagesf rather trhqan aiming at the students.

It is said more tghtn 80-% of advocates are not posted with the uptodate knowledge. Even supreme court lawyers are not exception to that.


UPDTED KNOWLEDGE COMES OUT OF MANY YERS OF PRACTICE AND NOT BY JSUT REPLUYING PRE PREPARED QUESTIONS IN EXam.

sathyan.
Anonymous guest 31 Jul 2010, 03:01
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I am unable to understand how one can compare a post qualification exam(proposed bar examination)with entrance examination like IIT JEE,CAT.How many students in India opt for IIT JEE and CAT. C.A course is conducted by a professional body unlike BCI who are here to get the legal field murkier.
If you have to pass the Bar Examination What is the use of CLAT then? Is Mr. Reformist know about CLAT Examination???

A good decision must be taken by putting your feet on the green grass.
But in this case I am afraid may be on golden/green carpet...
Anonymous guest 3 Aug 2010, 14:55
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Our politicians does'nt need to sit for any exam to prove their worth....what could be more lamentable than this .......The persons who are driving our nation and who even doesnt know how to behave in assemble.....dont they need to sit in exam..... Now what makes the BCI think that by putting the upcoming batch in exam the entire honour profession can be elevated..... why dont they make any provision for the existing lawyers....and into which the members and chairman of BCI would also come and will need to sit into exam and prove their worth...... Other wise it will be like if the existing batch after sitiing in the BCI exam tries to ameleorate the sitution the already existing lawyers will de-escalate the process..
Anonymous guest 5 Aug 2010, 23:34
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Kudos # 27 for the hard hitting comment on GS - on him playing both ways - promoting transparency at every public forum and then when he is asked why rainmaker he hides behind the veil of autonomy of BCI. Shame BCI and GS...we dont want BCI 2.0....we want a BCI which also reflects the aspirations of the "silent majority" ,not just the some "clique" of lawyers.
Anonymous guest 6 Aug 2010, 01:26
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i don't think that this double speaking wannabe English gentleman will win the BCI elections next time let alone become the Solicitor general.