Exclusive: Nalsar Hyderabad chancellor and Andhra Pradesh Chief Justice Madan B Lokur is seeking nominations to find Nalsar’s next vice chancellor (VC), as current VC Veer Singh has resigned the institution to join as a director of the Chandigarh Judicial Academy, according to several sources.
Three independent sources, including one authoritative source within Nalsar and one vice chancellor of another national law school, have confirmed that an email was sent from Veer Singh’s email account to vice chancellors of all national law schools and a number of principals of other law schools on 7 February 2012.
A letter from Lokur was attached to the email, seeking nominations for Nalsar’s next VC, while stating that Veer Singh would resign Nalsar to join Chandigarh’s Judicial Academy. No reason for the resignation was specified.
Three names would be picked from the applicants received by the search committee.
Veer Singh was not reachable for comment by phone or SMS at the time of going to press.
Legally India published a report obtained via RTI last week, which had highlighted structural problems in the management and administration of the university.
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Now lets treat Kian at Rajinder Punjabi Dhaba.
And actually, I just want to add that most of the credit for reporting on Nalsar and the inquiry goes to Prachi Shrivastava, who worked tirelessly and diligently on this since joining LI less than a month ago.
Best regards
Kian
I did eight months experience at a leading law firm and did my LLM from a leading national law school with rank 2. I did also mooting MUNNing. I organised lot of events like face-painting campaign against climate change and paintball competition.
Can someone tell me if I can get this post. Willing to make some under the table payments if necessary.
I did eight months experience at a leading law firm and did my LLM from a leading national law school with rank 2. I did also mooting MUNNing. I organised lot of events like face-painting campaign against climate change and paintball competition.
Can someone tell me if I can get this post. Willing to make some under the table payments if necessary.[/quote]
LLM from a leading national law school? LOL. LLMs from Indian univs are worth less than toilet paper.
there are no charges against him.
while this is certainly good news that NALSAR VC has resigned i strongly oppose nominating Professor Dhanda as the next VC my reason for same:
it cannot be denied that Prof. dhanda is a brillaint faculty and well connected i would like to know through this forum that what was she doing while all these financial irregularity was happening in NALSAR. she could take on VC when she was denied taking a class but never had the courage to speak against all this. She could have complained to the academic council (of which she herself is a member) or could have at least written to the Chancellor just the way she did in her case. It would be naive and stupid to assume that Prof Dhanda did not know about this....she has been at helm of affairs and hence if not party to all this she is no less culpable.
while this is certainly good news that NALSAR VC has resigned i strongly oppose nominating Professor Dhanda as the next VC my reason for same:
it cannot be denied that Prof. dhanda is a brillaint faculty and well connected i would like to know through this forum that what was she doing while all these financial irregularity was happening in NALSAR. she could take on VC when she was denied taking a class but never had the courage to speak against all this. She could have complained to the academic council (of which she herself is a member) or could have at least written to the Chancellor just the way she did in her case. It would be naive and stupid to assume that Prof Dhanda did not know about this....she has been at helm of affairs and hence if not party to all this she is no less culpable.[/quote]
NO to Dhanda. I don't like her. She makes ridicule of you, if you don't know her work. Everyone can't be Anjaneya Das,Kunal Singh, Anjali Rawat, Prateek Andharia,Nageshwar, Varun Baliga or Utkarsh Mishra. There are people like us who require more attention. We take time to learn.
So much nicer for people like you to be taught Phut-noting by VK and to get marks for sycophancy isn't it? Who likes a teacher who actually expects you to *shudder * work!
So much nicer for people like you to be taught Phut-noting by VK and to get marks for sycophancy isn't it? Who likes a teacher who actually expects you to *shudder * work![/quote]
you're from the second year batch, aren't you.
If she goes and becomes VC, how terrible it will be. A woman giving people orders. Better to get another real man like Veer Singh. Because they don't ridicule anyone.
go cut your hairs and wear cloths like dhanda....stop your feminist rant.....poor Anna not even hinted that she is to be opposed just because she is a woman but because she happens to be a senior faculty and did nothing....
Best
People of NALSAR who are fed up of you and your feminism
ohh i need break
Firstly I am a man so thanks for that little giveaway.
Secondly - the plural of hair is 'hair' not 'hairs' and it is 'clothes' not 'cloths'
Thirdly - of course you are fed up with feminism. If a particular anatomical feature was not all important than what would you ever be worth?
Best,
Go get an education (though it is probably too late already)
while this is certainly good news that NALSAR VC has resigned i strongly oppose nominating Professor Dhanda as the next VC my reason for same:
it cannot be denied that Prof. dhanda is a brillaint faculty and well connected i would like to know through this forum that what was she doing while all these financial irregularity was happening in NALSAR. she could take on VC when she was denied taking a class but never had the courage to speak against all this. She could have complained to the academic council (of which she herself is a member) or could have at least written to the Chancellor just the way she did in her case. It would be naive and stupid to assume that Prof Dhanda did not know about this....she has been at helm of affairs and hence if not party to all this she is no less culpable.[/quote]
How do you know she didn't complain? And 'helm of affairs'? Was she registrar? What are the powers of a member of the AC?
What about you? You were there presumably. What was stopping you from complaining if you think that all bystanders had a moral obligation?
To clarify, all we did was edit the more contentious language used in the post (using [...] where something was redacted, and adding [alleged]).
The university needs to pick up better faculty and manage its funds in a more fruitful manner, for the benefit of its students, rather than continuously (allegedly) purchasing more cars for its fleet.
And specially Prof. VK, that guy has been the biggest beneficiary of all this mis-management. Kudos to LI, kudos to the students of NALSAR.
What the fuck. Go read the report. Veer Singh has no allegations against him. The discrepancies are from RS's time.
You don't need to take this forward to lawyers as well (as there IS no given honorific to refer to them as in the case of doctors or judges).
We might be a legal publication but we are not acting as lawyers when writing articles.
Therefore we should refer to anyone, including lords, justices and sirs, in the most neutral way possible - i.e., by their surname.
Best regards
Kian
i know you would still stick to your argument and won't change but felt i should say it.
Thanks
The second time that person is mentioned we use the surname. Not intending any disrespect for judges, who do indeed make a great personal sacrifice to serve the country, but how hard they have worked to get there or how deserving they are of recognition should not enter into it.
Best regards
Kian
Your grouse against Dhanda seems to be that in resorting to the Socratic Method:
a) She made you read before classes
b) In class, she forced you to think.
I see the problem here. Dhanda believed that the competitive exam had brought in only those students who possessed the intelligence and the competence to handle her courses.Hence, she taught in the Socratic Method.
Clearly, she was wrong. Someone should let her know.
2. the larger point i was trying to make was regarding prof dhanda accountability while all irregularities were going on.
3. i don't buy your argument and the reasons for same:
a. Harvard introduced the concept of Socratic method of teaching and till now it is only used to teach 1L i.e. first year law students and only in subjects which rely heavily on case laws. in fact Socratic method was introduced only for tackling and going to the core of reasoning in case laws.
b. never in any part of the world u would find that policy oriented courses (law and poverty) or extension of science or philosophy (jurisprudence) u would find Socratic method
of teaching.
c. u have to read before class and think in any style of teaching, but employing one method so that looks tough and cool would not help.
d. in all law subjects where you have Socratic method of teaching it is accompanied by tutorials and in absence of tutorials in her class the method is highly irrelevant and devoid of logic because the suffers are not so good student.
There is something called knowledge acquire it!
BEST
Anna....:P
That is a very authoritative statement you make: "never in any part of the world..."
Presumably, you have been to all the world universities to verify this. However in your quest for comprehensiveness you may have missed a few details. Eg. Many well respected universities employ tutorial systems, class discussion marks etc which are far more rigorous than the socratic method in testing your reasoning and forcing you to defend your point of view.
Her accountability was no greater than yours. You were both present. And neither had any say or information about where the money was going. So what were you doing?
by tutorials i think what is meant is a system where junior faculty members go through the same concept but more elaborately keeping in mind the needs of students who are not as smart as other are
also the comment i believe was from a student i do think professor has more to answer (specially when she said to II year after they protested last year that if anything wrong happens and if you don't protest u become a part to wrong) than a student. As pointed out she was a senior faculty and well connected hence it is wrong to equate her with a student.
she cannot be like sonia gandhi reaping all benefits but with nil accountability....the same reasoning also goes for other senior faulty members they should also answer, what were they smoking when these things were happening in NALSAR
cheers! and say NO TO DHANDA and YES TO VCV for VC....
2. the larger point i was trying to make was regarding prof dhanda accountability while all irregularities were going on.
3. i don't buy your argument and the reasons for same:
a. Harvard introduced the concept of Socratic method of teaching and till now it is only used to teach 1L i.e. first year law students and only in subjects which rely heavily on case laws. in fact Socratic method was introduced only for tackling and going to the core of reasoning in case laws.
b. never in any part of the world u would find that policy oriented courses (law and poverty) or extension of science or philosophy (jurisprudence) u would find Socratic method
of teaching.
c. u have to read before class and think in any style of teaching, but employing one method so that looks tough and cool would not help.
d. in all law subjects where you have Socratic method of teaching it is accompanied by tutorials and in absence of tutorials in her class the method is highly irrelevant and devoid of logic because the suffers are not so good student.
There is something called knowledge acquire it!
BEST
Anna....:P[/quote]
First, your basic premise is wrong because Dhanda does not exclusively follow the Socratic method. She lectures, facilitates discussions AND plays devil's advocate. I'd like to emphasize that it is this feature - that is, provoking and inciting critical thinking - rather than calling upon a random student, that primarily characterises the Socratic method. So your understanding of the Socratic method is inadequate, in addition to the incorrectness of your premise.
Second, I agree that NALSAR does not have a system of tutorials. And contrary to your assumption, it is the Oxbridge universities that adopt the method more than the Americans. In any case, if you had difficulty understanding a reading, did you go to her after class seeking help? She can't be expected to gaze into her crystal ball and guess who lost their way in class. Further, the level of teaching cannot be compromised to suit the lowest common denominator. If you fall behind, you need to take the initiative and approach the professor. Not wait for her to come and spoon-feed you.
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the guys got style.. back in the days, he used to coem to college wearing a leather sling bag and a playboy-bunny for a buckle on his belt.
You've done a great job in exposing the dodgy details of Nalsar administration and then braving the storm of abuses from thankless Nalsarites.
I think this was excellent journalism - that's why we've seen such quick results in a positive direction. Keep up the pressure!
For better knowledge, read report and get a reality check.
The Acad and Exec committees had been told to decide on what action they wanted to take and reveal that in a meeting on the 18th of this month, which is still going to happen, before TOI and LI made all the news public.
Only the students were supposed to be informed as of the resignation now, but the world knows because of LI's "source"
all that this media drama has done is that this news was available to the public 9 days earlier than it anyway would be. All the work was done by the SBC of NALSAR and the ex-Chancellor.
The Acad and Exec committees had been told to decide on what action they wanted to take and reveal that in a meeting on the 18th of this month, which is still going to happen, before TOI and LI made all the news public.
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SO EXACTLY WHICH DATE WERE THE ACAD & EXEC COMMITTEES TOLD TO DECIDE WHAT ACTION THEY WANTED TO TAKE?
The Acad and Exec committees had been told to decide on what action they wanted to take and reveal that in a meeting on the 18th of this month, which is still going to happen, before TOI and LI made all the news public.
Only the students were supposed to be informed as of the resignation now, but the world knows because of LI's "source"
all that this media drama has done is that this news was available to the public 9 days earlier than it anyway would be. All the work was done by the SBC of NALSAR and the ex-Chancellor.[/quote]
Yes, you are right in that.. but Kian did report s all which is commendable. Altough we wud like it if he did not report every single insignificant matter. but good job kian
You're the man! Brilliant work
In my 5 years in Nalsar, this is the first time I have seen a responsible, mature SBC. People who know how to act and when to exercise restraint in their approach. Great work guys. Truly proud of you. Ab to party banta hai!! ON THE SBC!!!
Take a bow
Vidyulatha from NUJS?
NOW LETS SEE WHO CHALLENGES OUR SUPREMACY AS THE BEST LAW SCHOOL OF THE COUNTRY
BRING IT ON YOU PEOPLE - WHO THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CRISIS AT NALSAR AND PROMOTE YOUR LAW SCHOOL
And to the people who thought NALSAR was going down: *the bird*
And to the people who thought NALSAR was going down: *the bird*[/quote]
Yo are right my friend.. We have braved a big challenge. Now its time to fight again. Let us go forth and take the bull by its horns
Kudos to NALSAR from braving this fight and emerging victorious.
-Well wisher from NLS.
nalsar has had its share of great teachers, but it has lacked administrators in any relevant form since the beginning. Everyone who has passed through nalsar will know that some of the greatest teachers were the worst administrators, examination coordinators, registrars, etc.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely - case in point being the directors, VCs and the registrars of nalsar from the beginning. I am sure every teacher at nalsar will wake up tomorrow and look in the mirror and imagine they would make the next best VC. Lets hope that socrates and persons using his methods realise that they may be better for nalsar and its students as mentors and academic deans rather than a VC. Sometimes the alumni that throng to socrates like moths to a flame can make them forget their real strengths.
Good luck for whoever is going to steer the ship as the next VC. Sadly, the amount of cow dung that the place has been heaped with will deter any capable person from taking up the responsibility.
That's the thing about alumni kid... older and much much wiser. Watch and learn :)
And PS - if you were around when the alumni were, you would know that the great teacher was a pretty good registrar.
Maybe I was around when the alumni were there and when the great teacher was the registrar. And maybe you weren't :) after all, you joined the year after she was removed from registrarship (registrarhood?) and really didnt care who the registrar was then (other than when you needed your weekend leave application sanctioned when you had to go south-west by overnight train, kid)
Go ask the batches before you and you may realise that she wasnt a great administrator. In fact she was totally pro administration and pro their/his misdeeds till she was removed. Mistakes in handling new-found power you say? After which, surprise surprise, she became anti-administration and more focused on academics (which was a very good development for us because she was a good teacher). But of course, you already knew that. So this is really about your agenda isnt it? :)
Unlike you, I havent heard much about MP Singh. But it would be a fallacy to use that to indicate that all good academics are good administrators.
No doubt, understanding the place is important. But that doesnt mean someone with great understanding but incapable of running the place automatically becomes suited for the job. It would be nice if a VC wasnt really an academic and just focused on running the place efficiently. But then again, that may not work from an image perspective for the search committee itself.
Maybe there is not much choice in the legal circles today and one must make do with the best one has, but then lets not harp about her great administration skills. If that be the case, then I hope they have improved from the last time we encountered them.
Once again, I repeat, she is the best teacher at nalsar. The small games played in the background need to stop though. They just leave a bad taste. In any event, anything is going to be better than the outgoing one.
Your premises are flawed.
The question is not whether she is a perfect administrator, but whether she is the best available. Who would you rather have?
Dhanda for VC , Jhanda for Registrar ( Dont worry we will ensure that your feminine aura gets so concentrated within the college that all the men say "your wish is my command".
Dhanda for VC , Jhanda for Registrar ( Dont worry we will ensure that your feminine aura gets so concentrated within the college that all the men say "your wish is my command".[/quote]
Can you please not descent to personalities- it doesn't help anyone to hear about our idiotic tiffs on public fora.
Kudos to you Prachi, (and by extension Kian) this has, considering you have little inside information, been decent reporting.
Thanks for your comments and feedback.
Some points.
1. We do not "pursue" anyone, or run any campaigns, apart from trying to encourage greater transparency perhaps. If there is a story, as there was here, we will try to report the facts and opinions in a balanced manner, pure and simple, to the point of being over-balanced and over-cautious at times of giving any opinion. We will let organisations such as the SBC, or people like the chancellor do their job and report when they do. We are not reporting in order to achieve any particular purpose beyond that.
2. Three weeks ago Veer Singh told us that his term would end in 1.5 years, but we do not know how reliable this is or if new information has come to light since then.
3. We had to draw the line in our RTI pilot project somewhere rather than taking a scatter gun approach - stuffing and addressing envelopes, writing letters, paying courier and RTI fees (Rs 150 in this case to cover costs) does add up in time and cost. And if we had also included the youngest CLAT and non-CLAT schools, many of which are struggling in an overcrowded market anyway, we would have been accused of picking on them. We will see how the pilot project goes and proceed from there bit by bit, which will hopefully convince other law schools too to open up and release information when we file RTIs. Everything has to start somewhere.
4. Scorpions. Fact.
Best wishes,
Kian
Thankfully, they are student represenatives and looked for students welfare rather than faculty politics welfare.
Hear Hear... If we had left college to the mercy of Jhanda, this would not be possible. Thank God we have some sensible people in the SBC who know how to take the right decisions.
[quote name="Er..."]SBC? What in the world have they done to bring about this resignation? The so-called e-mail which is proudly publicised on the Legally India website wasn't even circulated amongst the students. Further, not a single detail including the minutes was disclosed to the student body. In fact, have they done anything at all to help the present state of affairs being "elected student representatives"? At least the students tried to stir up a storm which nevertheless, failed.[/quote]
Please tell me you are not in a law school...
Thats why its best to check before opening your mouth
Why aren't my comments being published?
[Your comments contained profanity, were sexist and were quite offensive to identifiable individuals and were therefore not be published. -Kian]
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