CAA round-up: 30 NLS students, 1 prof, 4 Nalsarites detained by cops • Law firm shuts shop • Statements galore + more NUJS, MNLU student politics • ...

NLU students mostly continue anti-CAA protests as pro-CAA-movement grows more slowly
NLU students mostly continue anti-CAA protests as pro-CAA-movement grows more slowly

Around 30 NLSIU Bengaluru students had been detained by local police earlier today between 11am to 530pm, alongside NLS professor Kunal Ambasta and (non-NLS) historian Ramachandra Guha, after protesting against the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).

The police detained the students as a group of possibly up to 250 others in a hall near the Adugodi police station, confirmed a student bar association (SBA) spokesperson.

All, including Guha, were released by 530pm today.

Around 80 NLS students are understood to have taken part in the protests, though others were active behind the scenes assisting, such as by making a spreadsheet to keep track of student whereabouts, whether they need any medical help, if they have access to lawyers and alumni who could be contacted for help, for instance.

One fifth-year NLS student commented that “each and every citizen should be our on the roads at this time pretesting against this clamping down of dissent”, adding that “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”.

In Hyderabad, although Nalsar Hyderabad students are currently on term break, two students and one alumnus were detained by police after protesting, but released before 5pm, according to a Nalsar stucouncil (SBC) spokesperson.

Another two Nalsar students were briefly picked up by police at Delhi protests but released shortly after.

But that’s not all that has happened in law and CAA…

Round up of events below, and on request, please share any other activities or updates in the comments and we can include here (but please refrain from inter-factional name-calling, racism and abusing each other in the comments).

One law firm shuts shop in Delhi

One law firm, very neutrally referring to the protests as “civil disobedience”, politely informed clients that the office would be shut today:

Dear All,

Please be informed that due to ongoing Civil Disobedience in some parts of Delhi our telephone and internet services have/will be affected / interrupted. Due to the same reason our offices are being closed today to ensure employee safety. Therefore, please expect delayed responses from our office. In case of any urgent matters please call on the below numbers of our team.

JGLS Sonepat’s Legal Aid Clinic has tweeted that it has “filed representations and complaints against the Police brutality” before various ministries.

Battle of the statements

Statements galore by alumni and students of national law universities (NLUs) expressing their positions on the CAA. Most, perhaps unsurprisingly considering the liberal education most law schools impart, oppose the CAA so far, but then at a few NLUs things have gotten (or been painted as) more political, in the right vs left sense.

NLU Delhi alumns make statement

NLU Delhi students and alumni have made a statement opposing CAA, though it’s not clear how many have signed it (if you have a link to a signed version, please do share with us). The NLU Delhi alumns condemned the police action and “especially denounce the shutdown of the internet in different parts of the country, which only confirms the suspicion of executive misuse of power and police brutality”.

They also pointed out a “dangerous lack of discussion” in Parliament on issues that affected the “very fabric of the nation”, without reference “made to standing committees for critical bills”.

612 GNLU students & alumns sign pro freedom-of-speech statement

As of 17 December afternoon, according to the unofficial GNLU blog, Jury’s Out.

We, the students and alumni of Gujarat National Law University (GNLU), condemn in the strongest possible terms the violence and use of force against our fellow citizens – students and otherwise – exercising their fundamental right to protest across India. […]

We stand in solidarity with the students and others exercising their fundamental right to dissent and protest.

These GNLU students did not opine on CAA per se.

RGNUL statement signed by 263 anti CAA

Update 20 December 2019: RGNUL students have made a statement against CAA signed by 263, as of 18 December 2019, 1pm.

NUJS alumns (402) vs alumns (74)

Meanwhile, the split in NUJS Kolkata’s student body has clearly invigorated alumni on both sides (see our previous report from earlier this week for background).

First off, 402 NUJS alumni signed a strongly-worded petition not just in solidarity of protestors but also against CAA point blank, by late on 17 December 2019, noting the following:

NUJS Alumni – Statement in Solidarity We, the undersigned, are alumni from the National University of Juridical Sciences, Kolkata. As Indian citizens and members of the legal fraternity, we feel compelled to put forth this statement in opposition of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) and the atrocities that have been perpetrated post its enactment.

The CAA has been enacted with the stated intent of removing hurdles in granting citizenship to persecuted Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jains, Buddhists and Parsis, who have arrived from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh prior to 31st December, 2014. However, the impact of the CAA alongside the proposed nationwide National Citizens Register (NRC), will, in all likelihood, lead to the persecution of several segments of the population, most notably the Muslim community which has been excluded from the CAA. The potential impact of the NRC on many other communities who may struggle with documentation cannot be overstated.

The collective impact of the CAA and NRC threatens the very fabric of India. It runs afoul of our constitutional principles, our obligations under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the cornerstone of international refugee law— the principle of non-refoulement. We view the CAA and its implementation with a strong sense of foreboding—one that may polarise our beloved nation beyond repair.

We also stand in solidarity with student communities and citizens across the country, who are peacefully voicing their opposition against CAA. We do not condone violence in protests, but we strongly condemn the brutality and disproportionate force used by law enforcement authorities in various parts of the country, including Uttar Pradesh and Delhi to muzzle dissent, particularly in educational institutions. We demand that those responsible for such atrocities be held accountable under law.

We appeal to the Government of India to respect the fundamental right to peaceful protest and allow the free exercise of this right across the country.

NB: This represents the views of the signatories below. We understand that there may be dissent among certain members of the alumni - however, we categorically dissociate ourselves from any views supporting CAA and state violence.

Then, earlier today, another petition made the rounds on Twitter also purporting to be from NUJS Kolkata alumni but this time in favour of the CAA (though, perhaps tellingly about where the majority of young students’ support lies, that petition only managed to muster the apparent public support of 74 signatories, despite having had an extra two days over the earlier petition).).

That petition took the “opportunity to thank our Hon’ble Prime Minister Sh. Narendra Modi and Hon’ble Home Minister Sh. Amit Shah for ensuring the CAA’s purposeful enactment that is sure to bring much needed relief to persecuted minorities from our neighbouring three countries which have shown a pervasive, systematic and institionalized track record against such minorities”.

That letter added that the signatories believed the CAA was “by no means anti any particular community specifically Muslims and is founded on an intelligible differentia under Article 14 of the Constitution”, having a “reasonable nexus” to its objective of trying to protect “oppressed minorities” from those three countries. They were “appalled by the logic fronted by those in opposition to the CAA”.

NUJS has become a bit of a political hotspot after allegations that NUJS was slower than other NLUs in supporting a statement condemning police violence, after a senior Student Juridical Association (SJA) office bearer had apparently said NUJS students would not sign, according to a message by the office bearer shared in screenshot of the official NLU students’ consortium WhatsApp group, which was shared on Twitter (the authenticity of which we have confirmed).

NLU Consortium Whatsapp group conversation
NLU Consortium Whatsapp group conversation

MNLU Mumbai issues correction, removes SBC prez

A similar but reverse story at MNLU Mumbai, where an office bearer made a personal statement in favour of the CAA, which was then quickly reversed by the rest of the student body, which made a statement against the CAA.

The student bar council (SBC) of MNLU Mumbai, meanwhile, clarified on 17 December, according to Republic TV’s website, that Republic’s earlier report of MNLU students supporting to the CAA/CAB was not reflective of wider student views, and based on just the student council president’s personal beliefs.

That statement, on official SBC letterhead and signed by SBC vice president and secretary, also added that the SBC president would not continue in the position.

Republic had reported on 14 December that the president of the SBC had sent out a press release welcoming the Citizenship Amendment Bill (as it then was). The press release was made on an SBC presidential letterhead and while not necessarily expressly purporting to have been on behalf of the entire SBC, it could certainly have looked that way to the average Republic TV website reader.

In the same NLU consortium WhatsApp group conversation as above (which is authentic), the MNLU president had, before making his statement, also apparently said that MNLU students would not issue a statement, which had particularly upset several other SBC members.

WhatsApp student messages
WhatsApp student messages

Right-of-Centre Twitter and blogs have been having a field day of it, claiming that the SBC president has been getting harassed “mentally” after making his statement.

All in all, just another average few days of legal education at our newly also hyper-polarised NLUs.

Comments

Guest 19 Dec 2019, 17:59
+21 -69
Kian, you seem be in close touch with these student protestors. Kindly tell them to stop this madness. Let the SC first decide on the CAA. Furthermore, the protest has been taken over by radical leftists and Wahabis, as confirmed by The Print.

https://theprint.in/opinion/liberal-secular-opposition-to-caa-must-not-allow-room-for-islamic-and-left-radicals/337472/
Sad Hominem 20 Dec 2019, 05:04
+55 -27
When 20 year olds die at the border, Bhakts say:

Salute our brave jawans, they are patriots.

When 20 year olds stand up for basic human decency, Bhakts say:

Hi Legal Website Editor, please play Wise Uncle to them and tell them that they are impressionable youth, they know nothing.
grauze 23 Dec 2019, 15:34
+25 -12
20 Year Olds standing up for basic human decency?

Is burning a bus a decency? Vandalizing? Pelting Stones at the police a decency? Even if it is. Is it basic? For sure, it isn't human. I am not pro BJP. But c'mon man. Don't compare the life of a jawan to life of a college student. If you're comparing the reaction of a Bhakt in both situations. I wonder what's your reaction. Since, Dying at the border and Standing for basic human decency (?) is somehow two completely equal situations to your mind.

Have you been to the IMA (Indian Military Academy)? Have you ever known what kind of training Para Military Forces go through?

I was in Military School (RIMC) then NDA (National Defence Academy). So, I am curious if you (maybe I am wrong, presumably a person with no experience in military training or warfare) have even the slightest of 'experience' of such training. A yes or no is all I ask of. You are free to give further opinions, I am quite eager to know what perspective 'students of law/lawyers' have.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 17:44
+19 -23
Where did you exactly see these 20 year old protestors burning buses other than proven doctored footage created by the IT Cell? On the contrary, there also exist footage showing police personnel damage public property deliberately and stoking a peacefully protesting crowd by lathi charging them, using tear gas and shooting. As for you claiming that there's nothing common between armed forces and these youngsters, I beg to differ, especially because my family happens to have people belonging to both these groups. Both are trying in their own way to preserve the idea of this country. One is protecting the country's borders, the other its soul. And if you want to cite your training to establish that you automatically got some moral superiority over these kids, then sadly your training has failed to educate you in the process.
grauze 23 Dec 2019, 21:22
+22 -7
It is not proven yet. Facts and Circumstances need to be ascertained first. But I have seen some authentic videos where it was evident that it really were the students who crossed the line of a 'peaceful protest'. While there are videos where it also shows the police personnel doing it too. Again, to discuss on speculation is pointless for you and for me.

It did spark me emotionally when I saw someone equating a Jawan at the border (Who goes through hell of a training, believe me it is HELL) before he is even allowed to be at the border. Now, you think he is on an equal footing with a college going student because "One is protecting the soul, and one is protecting the border". Having an "Army Dad/Brother/Sister" is NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH to explain the experience one goes through. You can only try and grasp it via your own intelligence and bias (maybe 1%), and you'll do so if you read further.

I am not morally superior to these "kids" (P.S. I am 20yo). I am just telling you. Don't talk about the Armed Forces in that regard. Whoever is reading this, the training that a jawan goes through is UNIMAGINABLE. You have no idea. He is not from BJP or Congress or Left or Right. Poor Chap does it all for the 'desh' and his 'saathi'. Without any vested interest. This should not be taken as a 'blame' on 'kids' who are protesting. Even if some of them think they are guarding the 'soul' of the constitution. Shouting few slogans for 30 days, getting beat by lathi (even if it is "meri awaaz daba rahe hain" getting detained is NOT equal to even 3 days of training. Yes, 3. Again, please don't look for logical fallacies, this one is straight from the heart. I have trained for 7 years.

That is why I asked if Sad Hominem has had "experience of such training" & not that if he knows someone who is in the armed forces. My father is in the Army. I still had no clue what it was like, until I lived it. Yes, about education. We got 2 hours to study every day for 5 years. 4 hours of sleep. So, yeah maybe I am less educated than you. But for sure, I know not to judge a person's education just by his comment on some website.
grauze 23 Dec 2019, 21:33
+11 -3
Also, sorry if my comment brought you any discomfort to you. I hope you do well. I am about to be done with my 5th year and next month I'll be 21. I can't waste my time on this website.
Guest 24 Dec 2019, 04:31
+9 -16
20 yo 5th year! Well done on skipping a couple of years in between due to your heightened intellect. Keep the BS coming.
0o0 24 Dec 2019, 06:20
+14 -3
Agree! 20 yo 5th year = fake certificate wallah. No wonder these people oppose CAA.
grauze 24 Dec 2019, 08:32
+12 -4
I skipped UKG and LKG because when I was 3, dad was posted in Suratgarh in 2001. There was only a primary school. So, I started in Class 1 - at the age of 3.
Guest 24 Dec 2019, 05:08
+12 -13
@grauze: Maybe if you'd slept a bit more, you'd have been coherent enough to realise that Sad Hominem actually referred to BJP supporters' comments and reactions to two different sets of people instead of the relative superiority of those groups vis a vis each other. You clearly don't. As for your other claims, you are contradicting yourself so much that it's mind boggling. You keep saying you don't want to judge others including the protestors, but pass comments about how their actions are invalid and crossing lines at the drop of a hat. You keep talking about your training. No doubt the conditions are grueling, but why would that give you any particular insight about the socio political conditions inside the country compared to anyone else? Because you are doing that only here, not what you've been trained to do. As for your education, what else is people going to judge that by if not your actions and words? Your degrees? Those are not certificates of real education. The latter broadens minds, not the other way around.
grauze 24 Dec 2019, 09:10
+14 -5
1. I do realise that Sad Hominem is referring to BJP Supporter's comments and reactions to two different sets of people.

First of all, thank you! You understand that these are two different sets of people. Otherwise, the whole point that someone made before you was prefaced on the Non-Existence of any sort of a difference between the two sets. Thereby, they go through same set of judgement parameters in the mind of a bhakt. Somehow, the statement of Sad Hominem came out to be logically absurd as he put them in the same set while referring to "double standard" of a bhakt.

2. I meant. I don't want to judge you or the people in immediate relation with whom I am having a discussion with on the basis of a comment or an underlying assumption. If it seems like I am placing judgements on you - I am sorry. The very message of "20yo standing for basic human decency" is a consequence of a prejudicial judgement placed on their pre-assumed motives and intentions. I just said the same can't be done to a jawan. Because you have no clue what they go through. Even their own families and children are kept out of the loop of what they do. See, the judgement game is well knit with the socio-political condition and wat not. Jawan is unaware of any of this. Yet, he does his duty for 36 hours and sleeps 4 hours. In training, one of the first things they do is kick out this "judgement factor" in you. Not because, they judge others but because they shouldn't judge what will happen to them in the coming days from a moral standpoint. Certain mind trick we learn in the first 3 months of training. Follow me on IG @barzngainz. All this is LEGIT.

3. I never mentioned "relative superiority" as concept in my comment as a final judgement. In fact, I accused Sad Hominem of it. Since it was, quite evident that he had compared two sets of people on the basis of prejudicial assumptions. Also, I mentioned that my comment has logical fallacies, and it came straight from my heart. If you didn't consider it, koi nahi it's okay. In my second comment, I said - "Facts and Circumstances are unknown. There is nothing to be gained for me and you to debate over speculation of facts and likelihood of their existence."

4. "You're dumb if you think that way." I haven't judged you at all, "guest". Tell me more about you, we'll discuss and go over some points. Maybe then I'll be in a position to judge you that too personally.

5. Judge me all you want. By my "actions and words". As if all actions actions and words of mine, yours, others without any context are still congruent enough. I'll tell you one thing. Don't disrespect yourself by just considering a person via Actions and Words in the moment. Maybe you do that to your owsnself. Maybe you are too self-critical of your ownself. I completely agree with your last 2 statements. :-)
DearGrauze 26 Dec 2019, 06:01
+1 -0
Side comment - I need to meet you in the real world, if you are travelling to school in March - please let me know.
Guest 28 Dec 2019, 21:09
+1 -0
Not for the next 3 years. You can find me on instagram. @barzngainz |
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 18:18
+13 -54
The whole country now thinks of NLUs as another JNU that wastes taxpayer money . There is no way the govt will now give INI status to NLUs and treat them like IIT.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 04:46
+29 -3
a) That statement, even vis-à-vis JNU, makes sense only to the staunchest of BJP supporters.
b) That statement, vis-à-vis NLUs, can't even make sense to even that lot (partly because most of them won't know we exist).
c) That statement has a mathematical fallacy. I am from NALSAR so let me respond taking us as an example. Last year, Telangana state gave us a 3+ crore construction grant (figure as heard in a direct conversation with finance department of the place). The state has a population of 3.51 crore. Assuming even 2% of these are taxpayers (keeping the number at the national average), that gives us 7.02 lakh taxpayers. This means that the average tax-payers paid a little over Rs 42 to NALSAR. Sum: you don't pay us nearly as much as you think you do.
StarBhakts Liberal 20 Dec 2019, 05:16
+45 -6
Hi, Taxpayer here.

I am fully supportive of my tax money going to JNU. This country needs thinkers who can help guide our moral compass, and I will fully support the funding of those who are not afraid to show us a mirror to our flaws, who stir up debate about who we are and what we stand for, and who help us frame and articulate our thoughts.

Many of these students will not produce work we think is important. That is OK. We need our students to know that there is the safety of a public institution where they can go and think over who we are as a nation, and where we are headed. If NLS (my alma mater) or any of the other NLUs becomes such a place, if JNU continues to do the work it has done for years, I will consider my tax money well spent.

By the way, I love my country, consider myself a patriot, and think that one of the most precious freedoms that India has given me is the freedom to criticize my country. That is a freedom I cherish and want to hold on to.

So the next time you dare to claim that they waste taxpayer money, please consider the views of actual taxpayers like me.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 06:10
+41 -3
As a taxpayer, I'm actually proud of NLU students in general for the second time in my life (first was in relation to IDIA). It's good to see that they're using their education for something good instead of merely self-serving actions.
Guest 19 Dec 2019, 18:23
+5 -2
TNNLU has also opposed CAA. Only NLU Shimla, Nagpur, Guwahati, Jabalpur and Sonipat have not opposed CAA . Strong BJP support there.

https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/students-alumni-of-symbiosis-ils-gnlu-condemn-police-action-against-aligarh-and-jamia-students-150920
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 03:19
+6 -29
Govt has released a fact sheet on CAA. Please read this first before believing lies spread by anarchists.

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1207644609205006336
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 05:57
+39 -1
Because this government loves providing factually accurate data, as records clearly show. I'm still waiting for the DeMo data, the actual economic conditions, job loss and the leaders' educational qualifications. As a protestor succinctly put in yesterday, "Agar Modiji padhe hote, toh phir students ke saath aaj khadhe hote!"
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 03:31
+1 -1
[img]https://i.ibb.co/0JHtjzb/xxxx.png[/img]
kianganz 20 Dec 2019, 05:51
+7 -1
For context: https://twitter.com/tushargiri3/status/1207712422120656897

[img]https://www.legallyindia.com/images/uploads/20191220-112136.jpg[/img]
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 04:18
+14 -4
Sharing some disturbing tweets and Facebook posts. This shows the toxic bullying by "woke" people at NLUs. These are public posts but I have nevertheless hidden names. There is also a clear class divide. Elite, English-speaking left students are mocking Hindi-medium BJP students who cannot speak English as well, come from small towns, cannot afford expensive clothes etc. The girls are often worse bullies and hypocrites than the boys.

[img]https://i.ibb.co/HPFRThm/nls.png[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/kqg7My8/rml.png[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/GC1gZKj/nalsar.png[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/TrJSZbk/nujs-0.png[/img]

[img]https://i.ibb.co/kXnBQWd/rg.png[/img]
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 06:01
+35 -1
I do not think bullying people who are dissenting from the more popular narrative is the right thing to do either. But what makes me laugh out loud is the same students seeking protection from majoritarianism while at the same time being too ready to deny it to students across the country like JNU, Jamia, AMU etc. So it's bad only if it strikes too close for comfort? Maybe the majority students should now get the cops in to beat you up for daring to dissent? That would be bad, isn't it? Exactly!
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 07:37
+18 -3
Use of university logo by students represents unanimity? Since when? I believe that claim was made by the current SJA VP from NUJS. Had that been the case, then there would have been no formal representation from the SJA on almost anything, as unanimity among 600 plus students on almost any matter is unheard of! Show me a single instance where the SJA has held a vote amongst the GB every time they come up with their 'official' position on matters. Did they take a vote before protesting against PIB? Or while harassing a faculty member with industry experience and reputation to the extent of driving him away? Or before calling upon politicians to sort out the admin mess earlier? In this case, at least a GB meeting was conducted. It's not the majority's fault that the others do not have the numbers or did not turn up to vote in that meeting. Half the decisions the SJA takes are those of the office bearers. How many times do they actually bother to consult the GB beforehand even when the matters involve student interest? Now all of a sudden because the majority opinion doesn't match the VP's, the process is being questioned? Such hypocrisy! The VP might have had his personal political stance on this matter, I am not in favour of harassing him for that. However, he behaved shamefully while re-tweeting a lawyer's tweets by trying to decredit and ridicule the protestors as 'hiding behind women', comparing them with Talibans etc. If he had been bullied about those tweets, then the bullying part is bad, but he shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it either! He has tweeted 'personally' as he says and he is also being called out 'personally' by his fellow students. Further, he jumped the gun by unilaterally informing the media that there would be no statement from the SJA about this matter. Did he 'consult' the GB before doing that or only his fellow BJP supporters and cronies? Those who ask for remedy or relief must have clean hands themselves. He's come across as lacking taste as a person because of his tweets (not his political opinion) and he's failed his office by not representing the students properly in this case. That's it.
RGNULite 20 Dec 2019, 06:00
+4 -4
Appeal to all fellow RGNULites to get off the "high" horse and join the protests? Let's roll up another agitation.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 08:05
+8 -16
To MNLU Mumbai students: There is a girl from your college protesting against CAA. She is using very foul language on social media, using four-letter word abuses all the time. Tell her to stop it before it reaches the media and harms your recruitments. She is giving your college a bad name.

All NLUs are requested to restrain their students from using foul language and violence.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 09:23
+28 -4
Stop trying to bully and control student protests by using the stick of recruitment! Have some shame. If a recruiter doesn't want to recruit an individual student because they deem her abusive, that's of course their call. But if they want to blacklist the institution as a result of that, then that only shows they are bigots and fools. Students would be better off not working at that place then.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 09:57
+24 -0
I've heard law firm associates use as many abuses as truck drivers do (that was not meant to be a classist comment, I genuinely am in awe of the latter class in terms of their colourful language). Get off your lame high horse, you ****. See, used four asterisk too.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 08:09
+3 -0
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/over-500-nlsiu-alumni-support-jamia-students-and-others-who-faced-police-action-114441
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 08:46
+2 -0
some of the students still not support CAA in MNLU Mumbai because there is no voice heard from the students.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 10:43
+2 -9
Big fight happening on Twitter right now. Swarajya has covered the pro-CAA NUJS petition and claimed that NUJS is with Modi, but the anti-CAA gang is branding it fake news and threatening to report Swarajya.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 11:46
+11 -2
The terms you use - 'Pro-CAA NUJS petition' and 'anti-CAA gang' - tells us a lot of where you stand. A petition by 70 odd against a gang of 400 - [...].
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 13:00
+10 -3
*fraudulently claimed that NUJS is with Modi.
*calling it out as fake news like it actually is.
It's okay. Typos can happen.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 15:00
+0 -2
Thanks for clarifying.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 11:23
+13 -24
What jobless people are doing around the world today:

USA: Impeaching Trump

UK: Opposing Brexit

India: Protesting against a law that they know nothing about
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 11:43
+5 -1
^Troll. Surely no one who frequents forums like LegallyIndia can genuinely support the triad of foolishness.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 13:01
+13 -2
Who has in-depth and hitherto unforeseen knowledge about this law exactly in your opinion? Amit Shah? Yes, that's what I am really afraid of.
Trump da Wall 20 Dec 2019, 13:08
+15 -1
I have got a question. Apparently, BJP supporters are organising rallies of people claiming to be Hindu migrants from neighbouring countries, who are going to exhibit their dying support for CAA since it is going to help them by providing them with much-cherished citizenship. My question is, since CAA Rules have not been framed in totality, nor have these people been provided citizenship yet, are they actually declaring themselves to be illegal immigrants now? And if so, shouldn't the BJP supporters clamour for sending these people to detention camps till that happens ala NRC, instead of hobnobbing with them?
Please Stop 20 Dec 2019, 13:22
+4 -2
Thank you all anti CAA protesters (and so called activists) for calling the CAA (as CAA defies our constitutional principles. Hopefully applying the principle, you guys will support the UCC and laws against reservations.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 13:52
+16 -2
The fact that you equate legislative discrimination between religions with legislation meant to address age-old discrimination on ground of religion and caste should probably make your teachers turn in their graves. In case they are still alive, they would probably wish they weren't. I'm speaking regarding your comment about reservation, of course. Re UCC, frankly I don't see any problem with it myself, but am willing to give protestors the chance to be heard and debate the matter. Going by that same logic, I hope you'd also support entry of women into the Sabarimala temple. I'm all for laws that do not take away people's fundamental rights, dignity etc. I hope you've got the drift.
Nomnom 24 Dec 2019, 03:57
+2 -0
Sure, if you support the entry of women into mosques on the same terms as men, non-parsis into the fire temple, appointment of lady pastors in churches, having endowment board taking over mosques, churches and all others Places of worship (and not just Hindu), etc.
Guest 24 Dec 2019, 04:59
+7 -1
I do. Got no problems with any of those. I've prayed in temples, mosques, gurdwaras, churches across the country. Liked all the experiences. No reason why every single human being desirous of doing so can't be allowed thus either, unless the concerned places are private property and not seeking public tax exemption etc. Then it's a matter of trespass unless the owner welcomes me.
Nomnom 25 Dec 2019, 01:07
+2 -0
I have to agree with you. And let me add this - we (self included) tend to forget basic decency in defending our respective views, so thank you for a sensible and polite reply.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 15:44
+1 -1
https://thewire.in/rights/nlsiu-solidarity-statement-police-students-caa

Eagle-eyed may correct but some notables missing. Starting with Messiah and his Hand. Sure they are administrators. But young Turks are supposed to....

I am glad many others who are known liberals have come out in open support. This includes many who are not comfortably settled abroad with flourishing careers that will not get jeopardized by 56 inchers. By the way it is not a crime to have a career abroad or the good life.

To those very much grounded here who may actually face trouble (for example PC), my salute. Really puts Messiah and Hand in sharp relief.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 16:54
+0 -8
None of these 500 are going to get work from the government or pro-Modi companies.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 18:24
+11 -2
Are you trying to further incentivize us to carry on? Because it's working. I'm already feeling further encouraged.
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 12:12
+12 -3
Pro-Modi companies would eventually have to seek the refuge of IBC after paying too much GST and being made to buy loss-making assets from the public sector. I am better off not working there. At least I can sleep in during Yoga Day!
Oof 21 Dec 2019, 01:10
+1 -6
Sudhir K has fairly impeccable liberal credentials. Those who know him or his history - or he’ll read anything he has ever written would know which side he would undoubtedly be on. He has called out the government and the prime minister personally several times at great personal risk.

Besides his S/O is fighting the Modi government in the courts. I doubt they need to sign a statement to prove their loyalty or even their courage.
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 03:47
+0 -0
So why doesn't he sign it?
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 05:32
+17 -0
Itni bhakti kahaan se laatein ho bhai? And then you call others bhakts! As the VC of NLSIU, Sudhir could very well have taken a solid stance on this issue one way or another. At least on the subject of police atrocities committed against students. He didn't. You keep saying NLSIU is the leader of all law schools. The students and a few faculty lived up to those standards and expectations. So far, the VC hasn't. That's that.
Nope 21 Dec 2019, 06:54
+0 -11
It’s not Bhakti. Bhakti is presence of faith in the absence of fact. The fact is Sudhir K has put himself on the line several times to speak out against the government. He routinely attends protests whether it was JNU protests way back when or anything else.
Maybe his current position constrains him from making public statements - but to almost everyone anywhere near nlsiu- they know where he stands.

You will have to ask him why he doesn’t simply sign it. But having been in his classes - having seen him practice what he preaches- there just is no doubt in my mind where he stands on this.

And if people who don’t know him can cast aspersions on his politics- people who do know him can speak to what they know!
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 13:23
+16 -0
Why did the chicken cross the rhodes?
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 15:02
+1 -0
^Damn, that's good, dude!
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 15:30
+14 -0
Why exactly would the position of the VC of a statutory body stop someone from having and expressing their stand with regard to a matter involving human rights violation? It's not stopping Faizan at NALSAR and he does not even belong to the 'messiah with Rhodes' or 'miracle worker NLU alumni' category.
Guest 28 Dec 2019, 04:11
+7 -0
It has been several weeks since the protests started. No word/op-ed from Sudhir yet on this. Oh, how the idol of liberals turned out to have feet of clay! Impeccable research abilities and all EPW comments no longer coming to one's assistance? Positions of power tend to prevent people from raising their voice against authoritarianism so easily, doesn't it, even when they have all the right credentials? This is why people say that when it comes to these positions, NLU-grads, non-NLU grads, foreign degree holders, everyone is the same.
Guest 20 Dec 2019, 17:17
+1 -2
The protests are about wider resentment against Modi govt, not just CAA. In the case of law students if the govt had given INI status to NLUs , allowed foreign law firms and given compulsory stipends to juniors in the bar, then such a backlash may not have happened from NLUs.
Guest 27 Dec 2019, 17:29
+5 -1
Maybe you can be bought off with scraps when the country is actually on the brink of a crisis, not everyone feels that way.
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 01:49
+4 -4
I am not a BJP supporter, but NDTV's coverage is totally biased, alarmist and distorted.
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 15:03
+15 -1
Cool. Don't watch it. Nor Republic. Nor any of the main Indian news channels. Nobody furnishes unbiased and undistorted news any more. Print media is perhaps fractionally better, but not by much.
Guest 21 Dec 2019, 03:05
+1 -1
Protest in Kolkata by NLSIU alum Oxford professor (from Telegraph).

[img]https://epaper.telegraphindia.com//epaperimages/21122019/21122019-md-hr-7/43025188.jpg[/img]
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 03:16
+0 -17
Over the next few days the BJP is going to hold talks with students. NLUs must the opportunity to make demands like INI status for NLUs, entry of foreign law firms, establishment of Indian Judicial Service etc. If these demands are met then the protests can be stopped.
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 08:14
+3 -2
The protests are:
(a) for something bigger;
(b) hardly being carried on the shoulders of NLU students alone.
Therefore, they aren't for you to stop. A world exists outside the students at NLUs.
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 08:59
+15 -1
Not everyone is as much of a sell-out as you seem to be, nor can stoop as low, nor willing to see the country burn for the price of a few pennies.
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 10:58
+5 -11
Dear NLU lefty brigade, China is carrying out a genocide against Uyghur Muslims, while a Pakistani professor was sentenced to death yesterday for "blasphemy". Can we expect you lot to stage a protest against China and Pakistan?
kianganz 22 Dec 2019, 11:57
+19 -3
Yes, great point. Also, please don't forget the drug war in the Philippines, which has seen thousands killed by the state! And the Vietnamese government has been arresting people for making Facebook posts and is generally being communisty! Also make sure you protest against Saudi Arabia for the murder of journalists, dissenters and oppression of women! And against Myanmar for its ethnic cleansing campaign of Rohingya! Don't forget Russia and its extra-territorial murders of dissidents! While you're at it, also include North Korea for its human rights record and international cyber-attacks! Uzbekistan and Belarus' regime probably also deserve a tiny little protest for terrorising its own civilians!

In short, the constitution should forbid people protesting about things at home unless they first hold protests about everywhere else (if there is any time or country left afterwards, that is).
Groucho Marx 22 Dec 2019, 12:10
+13 -1
If I had elected the government in either of those two countries, then definitely you could have expected me to protest against these acts actively, despite the fact that I am not a leftist and the only Marx whom I like has the name Groucho. However, China at least seems to be warming up to us lately, so maybe block the Internet all over the country and they would become so chummy that would be easy for us to dictate their domestic policy too? After all, totalitarian regimes everywhere often end up seeing eye-to-eye!
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 13:00
+3 -9
An NUJS SJA office bearer has tweeted some of the shocking abuse pro-CAA students received from anti-CAA students. The tweeter has been very kind to conceal identities of these rogue students. but they must be named and suspended. What kind of behaviour is this?

https://twitter.com/goyalanirudh/status/1208677940545769472
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 15:05
+11 -2
The same type as that of the SJA VP when he supported and endorsed calling protesting students Talibans and hiding behind girls to escape from the police, I'd say. Abuse has been freely flowing from students belonging to both the camps. You are of course showing one side only, which is perhaps accurate too, if incomplete. Because the rightness or purity or humane nature of the cause has little to do with the nature of the supporters. The people who lack proper education (degrees don't necessarily provide that) would descend to personal abuse and ad hominem regardless of which cause they support, be it a fascist one or a humane one.
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 15:13
+14 -1
Note how the office bearer is quick to tag the right-wing supporters from outside, many of whom have nothing at all to do with the university, but at the same time, when the same supporters blatantly used their political pull to distort and present fake news in rags like Swarajyamag or OpIndia about passing off and misrepresenting a petition with 70 signatures as a proof that NUJS is with Modi, these 'office bearers' kept quiet, despite being signatories to that document and mouthing platitudes about fairness and equity. As SJA representatives, they didn't even clarify to those media outlets that there's a different position supported by an overwhelming majority. In fact, that could very well have been their motive, since they knew they lacked ground level support for their offensive and hilarious statement within the students and alumni. You play with propaganda and politics (as these people are clearly trying to do), you get burnt.
Guest 22 Dec 2019, 15:16
+13 -1
Did the tweeter or the student who received those abusive mails actually file a complain with the university authorities? I don't believe they did. They are quick to politicize the matter by copying and trying to garner sympathy from people outside the university supporting their political agenda though.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 02:16
+14 -2
A pig who plots or supports discrimination, genocide or state oppression and propaganda all the while being very polite and courteous is still a fascist oinker, make no mistake. Orwell would approve.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 06:50
+4 -12
I am shocked that Legally India is allowing such abusive language like "pig". Kindly delete the comments. I must say in comparison Bar & Bench has been neutral and their commenters are well behaved. Bar & Bench has used the term "Swimming against the tide" and their commenters have made many sensible comments.

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/against-the-tide-law-students-in-the-minority-express-support-for-citizenship-amendment-act
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 08:02
+12 -4
Pig is a delicious source of food. If you consider it only as a form of abuse, then you are offending my gastronomical and culinary sensibilities. Apologise for that! Further, that comment doesn't seem to be actually aimed at any specific individual, so why are you getting dis'grunt'led all by your lonesome self?
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 09:06
+4 -1
Chhee! Using ashleel bhasha like swimming. Probably in swimming costumes! Kian, this comment is hurting my delicate and sanskari sensibilities. I can't even watch Phelps in action after this! Please remove it?
Guest 25 Dec 2019, 04:13
+5 -2
Standard Bhakt-like behaviour. Product of Whatsapp University and RSS Gaushala. Defected to the wrong camp.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 06:58
+0 -0
NUJS rejoinder to Swarajya

https://www.shabdankan.com/2019/12/513-nujs-trained-lawyers-oppose-caa-nrc.html
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 08:04
+13 -7
That rag isn't even worth being used as toilet paper. Their antics in this case of shamelessly providing a fake narrative that has not only got any relation with truth, but doesn't even exist in the same universal dimension, only vindicate sensible people's perception of it.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 10:14
+8 -16
Swarajya is not toilet paper. Mamata chela Telegraph and Left chela Wire are.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 11:20
+14 -4
You are just making it easier for people to recognise you for what you are by comparing the Telegraph with Swarajyamag. Keep doing it, I say. Joke of the year!
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 12:04
+10 -4
@21.1.1: Right you are! But that's what 21.1 has said too, isn't it? Swarajya is not even toilet paper. One has to guard oneself from its malicious, toxic and infectious contents getting into the body even in that manner!
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 13:29
+11 -5
Wire may have a political overtone in its coverage, but I haven't ever known it to be carrying factually inaccurate stuff. Swarajya on the other hand doesn't even do any diligence to check the source other than its saffron colour. This incident just proved that yet again for the umpteenth time.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 17:59
+6 -10
NLU are the new hub of urban naxals and Kanhaiyas.
Guest 23 Dec 2019, 19:02
+11 -4
Better that than to be the den of goons and chaiwalas taking country for a ride on the strength of cow urine and religious bigotry. You probably favour places like BHU, where students cheer the forced resignation of a teacher on grounds of religion. Inhumane and hatred-spewing people are you are actually what's wrong with this country, instead of those you dub 'urban naxals'.
Guest12345678910 24 Dec 2019, 13:29
+0 -1
Don't focus on the citizenship law's legality. The conversation on the street is more important -

https://www.newslaundry.com/2019/12/24/dont-focus-on-the-citizenship-laws-legality-the-conversation-on-the-street-is-more-important
Patriot 26 Dec 2019, 06:55
+2 -8
Friends, I wish to inform you that I have sent an email to the VCs of NALSAR, NUJS, MNLU and NLUO complaining of discrimination and harassment to students supporting CAA. I have demanded disciplinary actions against these elements, such as blacklist from campus placement.
Bhakti ki Missile 26 Dec 2019, 07:49
+7 -1
You could have been called a patriot only if you had demanded action against everybody who has been harassing or abusing others regardless of whether they are pro-CAA or anti-CAA. As of now, you can at best be called a partisan politician. In any case, what's your locus exactly? Why not allow the student victims themselves to file a complaint? If they can let you know on public platform that they are being harassed, surely they can file complaints with the concerned authority? That's the least that can be expected of students who are going to be future lawyers. By the way, none of these university administrations play any direct role in campus recruitment and cannot effectively debar any student from that anyway.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 08:28
+7 -0
@Patriot: I hope you are aware of the fact that some of the students whom you are seeking to defend out of the goodness of your 'patriotic' heart, have not only gone ahead with expressing their political stance (which regardless of the vile nature of the acts that they support, they are still entitled to), but also deliberately took part in spreading fake news such as their institutions supporting CAA, all the while knowing that is not the case. While harassment is not justified in any form, nor is such an illegality. Therefore, those students should also be taken action against. Further, what is this discrimination that you speak of? If I feel that you are supporting Nazi-like or fascist inhuman causes, I am still not justified in abusing you for that, but I am certainly entitled to socially boycotting you, given I consider you to be scum and cannot be forced to socialise with you despite that. That does not amount to discrimination unless I am in a position of power over you. You simply added that term because it suits your narrative. Can you give any example as to how any particular student in any of the universities that you speak of, has been discriminated against? On the contrary, there are examples of institutions such as Christ, Nirma etc. where the institution has threatened students not to engage in any form of anti-CAA protests and the state machinery has been on overdrive mode to quell every bit of protest, using brute force, non-democratic actions such as suspension of communication and transport etc. Because fascist is what fascist does.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 08:29
+5 -0
Junk or spam folder mein chala gai hai woh saare mails. Rightly so, too!
Concerned law student 26 Dec 2019, 07:49
+5 -0
It's good that NLUs are atleast providing the space for protests. In Nirma University, all the student protestors were warned and counselled against protesting and messages were sent to the parents of all student protestors to support the administration and not allow students to take part in Anti CAA rally.
Tweet by Jignesh Mewani also confirmed the same and so has Indian Express Ahmedabad Edition. Where have we come down to? If law students' can't take part in peaceful protests then who can?
NLU stud 26 Dec 2019, 08:03
+5 -0
https://twitter.com/jigneshmevani80/status/1209768623851524096?s=20

This tweet showcasing treatment of student protestors seems to suggest that lawfully and democratically protesting against a govt legislation is a crime. Even the VC of Christ University to ToI has given a statement that students should "not be protesting on streets" as it has become "a fashion statement". Shameful stuff from authorities of top private colleges.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 09:02
+3 -0
Christ has also made its students delete their social media posts decrying CAA and police brutality in jamia. Shameful response by the Admin!
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 09:31
+1 -1
LI should cove the Christ controversy.
tinkerbell 27 Dec 2019, 11:28
+1 -3
You would be surprised at the number of [...] simply walking around with a board in their hands and decrying CAA, with no basic knowledge about what they are. I want to link some videos. These guys just erode the legitimacy of actual protesters, and the Right is using the former, ignorant club of people to try to pinprick the dissent. "Fashion statement"? Of course, that's what it has become for some people. Some people I talked to barely know two cents about the legislation, conflated refugees with immigrants and what not.

Bottomline: if you don't understand where the bandwagon is heading, DON'T JUMP IN.
Peace!
Guest 27 Dec 2019, 17:26
+5 -0
So how many of those whom you met did you end up educating? No cause has ever won its case by being advocated only by knowledgeable people, regardless of its merit. At least that's not how it works in a democracy. There are thousands of BJP supporters and workers in my state who have very little idea about how CAA and NRC are supposed to work and how they are actually working in reality so far, but they are zealously defending those too. Some of them are actually even getting scared once it's pointed out to them as to how they themselves may get adversely affected. It works both ways. The onus is on the State to educate people, not on the protestors. Further, the institutional high-handedness referred to in the original post applies to the knowledgeable as well as the ignorant. In that context, your comment lacks relevance.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 09:32
+0 -0
Kian, pls confirm if the tweet by Jignesh Mevnani is true. SHOCKING if true.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 09:38
+1 -0
Nirma Law blackmailing reported across media.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/caa-nirma-university-warns-protesting-students-parents/articleshow/72976940.cms

https://scroll.in/latest/947910/ahmedabad-students-of-nirma-university-made-to-give-undertaking-to-not-participate-in-caa-protests
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 09:40
+1 -0
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMsHG7BU8AAqBGr.jpg[/img]
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 10:55
+0 -0
[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMs_EYiUUAAhkTr.jpg[/img]
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 11:42
+0 -0
Father Abraham not only tells us how political parties create blind followers, he also shows us how the state creates timid citizens.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 11:59
+2 -0
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/west-bengal-chief-minister-mamata-banerjee-over-citizenship-act-warn-bjp-not-to-play-with-fire-2154631?pfrom=home-topstories

Admittedly campus issues and CAA are very different issues. And I thank the CM for encouraging and leading dissent against this dog-whistle politics laden law. I am likely to be trolled but I do find it interesting that this CM herself never apologized when the dissent (or political cartoon perhaps) concerns her.

No political party can claim consistency in encouraging dissent and irreverence. The same holds true for law school administrations as well.

Will this CM support students if they were to protest against her govt's moves to secure control over all aspects of university administration. The Edu Minister puts it down to "we finance, we control". Then why seek control over places that you do not finance? Why use political authority to foist party apparatchiks as university administrators and governing board members? Why keep hollowing out institutions as the Reds did?
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 13:02
+5 -1
Because all politicians are more or less the same when it comes to acquiring and holding on to power while forgetting the people who've entrusted them with such power. I won't be at all surprised if somewhere down the line, the CM does a complete 180 degree turn about her stance on NRC, CAA etc. as part of a deal with the Centre. It's just that the current central government is such an advanced level of fascist that even unpalatable state governments like this one appear better in comparison.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 14:53
+1 -0
She got a big slap from the Cal HC today. The fascist tyrant had jailed a YouTuber for daring to criticise her.
https://www.barandbench.com/news/people-have-a-right-to-criticise-the-ruling-government-calcutta-hc
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 17:03
+5 -1
If only Cal HC had jurisdiction over states like UP. Or even Delhi. Imagine the orders that might have had been passed by now.
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 17:22
+4 -1
So, only the central government can jail or beat up people on those grounds or call them Paki-sympathisers or urban naxals? Cool beans!
Guest 26 Dec 2019, 18:28
+0 -1
Fascism requires 'far - right' (like BJP) which she isn't. Ergo not fascist. That said she fits a great many other choice words. Let's put her at 'mere authoritarian' as for now.
Guest 28 Dec 2019, 21:14
+0 -0
https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/a-note-of-assurance/cid/1730746?ref=trending_home-template

An interesting take on CAA
Guest 29 Dec 2019, 04:48
+10 -1
Very ivory-towerish and completely ignorant of ground realities. Seemed quite condescending to and completely dismissive of protestors from different classes and even tried to attribute motives to them on her own. It also feeds into the State propaganda of CAA having nothing to do with NRC and NPR and asking people to perceive it as an exercise in isolation which it isn't. If the author believes that protests are simply outbursts for other reasons, then again, she's trying to distort their legitimacy in a supercilious manner cloaked in good penpersonship. Further, it makes little logical sense, uses nostalgia to show why Hindu minorities who have crossed the border into India long back deserve citizenship (which they do), but again falls back to 'we really can't make everybody a citizen because we lack resources' argument when it comes to Islamic refugees. I fail to see how we can have resources for certain refugees, but lack such when it comes to others. Even if we say that we get to pick and choose refugees because of resource constraints and we get to do that on ground of religion, then that's discrimination, plain and simple. Now whether the constitution allows it or not may be for the courts to decide, but whether our conscience allows it or not is for us to decide. It certainly corrupts the idea of India as I have known since birth.
Guest 3 Jan 2020, 15:22
+0 -0
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/imran-khan-please-intervene-tweets-amarinder-singh-says-devotees-stuck-inside-gurdwara-nankana-sahib-2158435?pfrom=home-topscroll