CLAT 2016 early preferences: First-timer NLU Mumbai squeezes in with GNLU, HNLU. So could NLU Delhi make the top 3?

Mumbai NLU makes a massive entry to the CLAT: How would NLU Delhi change things up?
Mumbai NLU makes a massive entry to the CLAT: How would NLU Delhi change things up?

The 2016 first Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) preferences have just been published and the only big surprise in the list has been first-time CLAT participant and youngest national law school NLU Mumbai, which came in a very strong seventh position in preferences.

The Super 30 ranking devised by Legally India, calculates the average rank order of the 30 highest-ranked aspirants selecting the college, in order to normalise for larger batch sizes at colleges.

According to that metric, NLU Mumbai was just a tad below GNLU Gandhinagar, and even ahead of India’s sixth oldest national law school HNLU Raipur, eighth-oldest RMLNLU Lucknow, and ninth oldest RGNUL Patiala.

Other than that, the Super 30 preference order is virtually unchanged from 2014.

The strong performance of NLU Mumbai, which does not even have a permanent campus yet, suggests that NLU Delhi, which has a similarly strong locational advantage and an established campus, faculty and recruitments, would perform very strongly in aspirant preferences if it were to join the CLAT (something which it has managed to avoid to date).

More detailed analysis to follow.

Super 30 scoreTop ranked joinerOrder of founding2014 Super 30 Rank
NLSIU17.4111
Nalsar71.51222
NUJS133.0943
NLIU213.51934
NLU Jodhpur214.07455
GNLU Gandhinagar339.121276
MNLU Mumbai418.115617-
HNLU Raipur453.835567
RMLNLU Lucknow490.034488
RGNUL Patiala557.015499
Nuals Kochi674.51351110
CNLU Patna744.15651012
NLUO Cuttack750.55691211
NUSRL Ranchi936.36631313
DSNLU Visakhapatnam996.366815-
TNNLS Tiruchirappalli1021.541516-
NLUJA Assam Guwahati1025.04961414

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Comments

Guest 1 Jun 2016, 16:07
+5 -3
25 years from now, NLUD and NLUM can be the top NLUs if they get good VCs and state government support. If you think I'm dreaming, remember that the oldest IIT was IIT Kharagpur and oldest IIM was Calcutta, and for many years people preferred them to IIM Ahmedabad and IIT Mumbai, both of which are ranked 1 today.

Bottomline: the old NLUs need to stop being complacent. Students need to pressure VCs to improve infrastructure, attract better faculty and tie up with law firms and industry.
Yeah yeah! 2 Jun 2016, 05:49
+8 -2
While what you say is true for any institution, picking a law school that's barely on its feet is not the smartest decision by these kids; wonder who is advising them!? If you want to be in Mumbai so bad, pick GLC! The NLU tag is not THAT big a deal!
QUERY 9 Jun 2016, 11:06
+0 -0
Why is NLUJ at #5 when it has a higher "Super 30 score" than NLIU??
doubt 1 Jun 2016, 16:12
+7 -4
Is it better to go to Amity, Symbi, Jindal etc than some of the lower ranked NLUs?
Great! 1 Jun 2016, 18:52
+8 -1
Yes obviously. People at the lower NLU's will tell you otherwise but in the end they're just people trying to justify their choices. They did really work hard to get into the college they're in but making a smart choice is what matters. The colleges you mentioned have either better faculty or better infrastructure or better placements. Choose wisely.
anonym10 3 Jun 2016, 00:04
+1 -2
Its not wise to put Amity, Symbi, Jindal in the same league. If fees not an issue, Jindal can be preferred over even GNLU and NLU Jodhpur/Bhopal as well if a student is looking for international education/ exposure and study abroad opportunities at world's leading law school.

Symbi could be preferred over new NLUs but not over the first 10 in the above list.

Amity should be chosen only after exploring all NLU options.
Correction 3 Jun 2016, 03:51
+5 -0
JGLS before Jodhpur. No way.
Great! 3 Jun 2016, 08:11
+4 -0
Don't trust someone who puts jindal over jodhpur or bhopal. Gnlu maybe. And Symbi is obviously better than Patiala.
doubt 1 Jun 2016, 16:14
+4 -0
what are the CLAT ranks of those going to NLUD, Symbi, Jindal and Amity? That will be very helpful and a better ranking can be made.
Step up 1 Jun 2016, 16:37
+2 -0
Where is Symbi? No one wants to become partner at BigLaw..
Expert 2 Jun 2016, 09:00
+9 -5
This is the correct ranking of the top 25 NLUs, all factors considered. The mistake students have mad is to rank Patna higher than what it deserves.

1. NLSIU
2. NALSAR
3. NUJS/NLUD
5. NLIU/NLUJ
6. GNLU
7. JGLS
8. Symbi
9. ILS
10. NLU Mumbai
11. NLU Lucknow/Patiala
12. NLU Raipur
13. Amity
14. NLU Odisha
15. NLU Kochi
16. DSNLU
17. GLC
18. ULC Bangalore
19. Tamil Nadu NLS
20. CNLU Patna
21. NLU Ranchi
22. SOEL
23. Christ College
24. NLU Assam
25 Shastra
John McLane 2 Jun 2016, 19:26
+4 -3
I have serious doubts over the ranking shared by you. No matter whatsoever, MNLU cannot be ranked so high. Indeed, it has locational advantage but the institution is still in the process of standing up. I believe the reason behind ranking MNLU so high must be due the rise of NLUD, as it gained a lot from being situated in the Capital. But NLUD had many more advantages which made it a different story and hence same cannot be attributed to MNLU.
With regard to your other observations, I will also beg to differ on ranking RMLNLU over NLUO and HNLU. I believe RGNUL, NLUO and HNLU are now standing head to head. All the three NLUs are performing exceptionally well in the mooting arena, specially NLUO which has been spectacular this season. The placements of these three have been considerably good. Though, one may not find much of campus placement in all the three colleges but the growing alumni base and the talent of the students has resulted into recruitments, including in Big Six. Perhaps they should be given preference over Symbiosis, Pune because of the 'NLU' tag. That means, 8th position would be switched by RGNUL/NLUO/HNLU and Symbi will come down to 9th followed by RMLNLU.
Further, ranking Amity above NUALS Kochi and GLC is again incorrect in my opinion. Amity do have excellent placement, again due to the locational advantage and the constant running internships pursued by the students. The administrations involvement in it is second to zero. On the other hand, NUALS Kochi is a bright spot and is doing considerably well. It has the potential to do even better however it has not yet made the most of it. Rest I agree with you.
Observer 2 Jun 2016, 09:52
+3 -1
Ill rate MNLU Mumbai VC as one the best among existing VC's, Directors, Deans at other law schools, but he need to pass the test of time.
Guest 2 Jun 2016, 13:46
+1 -4
Panda! You must be tripping on some nice shit. Good for you. Ranbir tau, Faizan and KDR any day of the week among the current ones.

Menon, M.P Singh from the days gone by. Though Mitra would tell you, every time you net him, he was the best ever. Then there have been some who were good for a particular institution for a short period of time.

MNLU has done well this time because of the big city pull, sheer lack of candidate's knowledge about is situation etc. However, as previous years' ranking is seen as the guiding whole, it might continue to hold its position in the years come.

Panda is good guy, but an absolute zero as an administrator. Only Lakshminath might be worse when compared to Panda as an administrator now that Gurbir isn't in office.
Nliu alumnus 3 Jun 2016, 10:24
+2 -1
When mentioning bad administrators, its almost criminal to skip SS singh out.
Ranvir Singh 2 Jun 2016, 11:16
+1 -0
Kian Sir, my parents and I are confused between India Today ranking and your ranking, so we were thinking about factors like campus location and infrastructure, student crowd, corporate exposure, faculty etc. It will be good if you can shed some light on the lower ranked NLUs, Symbiosis and JGLS. Symbiosis is ranked high by India Today and you also said it has most corporate partners. But I heard bad things about it.
Honestly 2 Jun 2016, 18:13
+3 -5
NLU Delhi is number one. Period.
Guest 2 Jun 2016, 18:43
+3 -2
Lol
Guest 3 Jun 2016, 05:56
+2 -1
In your dreams.
GNLU? 3 Jun 2016, 02:22
+1 -0
Do you have to pay for hostel if you don't want to stay there?
Guest 3 Jun 2016, 04:19
+5 -1
Kian and Prachi, you are making everyone confused. On the one hand there are the India Today ranks. Then you posted a placement-wise rank and a CLAT-wise rank. Then you said all VCs are bad. And then posters on the forum who are posting different ranks.

At my coaching centre a teacher told me Legally India has ranked NLSIU as no 1 and NLUD as number 2. I cannot figure out whether he means placement-wise or whether it is a rank by a poster.

Please end this confusion by summarising in a single post the pros and cons of each college and confirming the ranks according to placement, CLAT preference, faculty etc.

And please tell us whether the rankings by posters are endorsed by you. If not, then ban them. Everyday someone is posting a different rank on your forum. This is a very anxious time for us and our parents and we need to make a decision that will impact our lives.
Banner 3 Jun 2016, 05:20
+5 -2
Why do you assume Kian owes a solemn duty to counsel you about your NLU choices? Speaking as an alumnus of a top tier NLU, most of the students do manage to make fairly accurate decisions regarding which NLU to join regardless of these dime-a-dozen rankings. You should try it sometime. If not, then even Kian's wisdom can do little to help you.
kianganz 3 Jun 2016, 08:19
+2 -0
Agree with Banner - I wish I could help more but rankings are always reductionist by necessity. And everything depends on your personal circumstances.

Personally, I would probably always choose location of a college (as in, the city I'd want to live in), over many other factors. As such, I might have a strong bias for DU and GLC, even though teaching is middling to non-existent there, but college is about more than just academic study I think. NLSIU Bangalore is obviously great if you get it, as are Nalsar and NUJS (though Nalsar location is a bit rubbish I hear). Bhopal seems like a nice town too, so NLIU might not be too bad a place to be, and it's got fairly small batches and is quite friendly. Jodhpur I don't know so much about since it's fairly admin dominated, but again, great city. GNLU I definitely wouldn't put at the top of the list after hearing the students' tales of dictatorial administration. HNLU is interesting - I don't know so much about it, but the alums from there are quite close knit and enjoyed their time I think.

A lot of the younger ones are in so much flux that it's hard to tell what's going on from one year to the next, and that's a risk: you might join, the VC leaves, and you're stuck in the middle of nowhere without any options.

NLU Delhi is also a solid bet, and Jindal, if I could afford it, would be good because it's near Delhi and has great faculty, but I'm personally quite worried about the mushrooming batch sizes there.

Symbi, Amity Delhi, ILS Pune, etc I don't have much opinion on, because we simply haven't covered them very much. Most alums are mildly scathing about the place, yet I don't think the places have hurt them very much (i.e., there's lots of grads from these places who are partners in law firms etc, so going there doesn't count against you).

Anyway, like I said, it's all about your individual circumstances. There is no one ranking for everyone, and my ranking should be very different from one that might work for you.

Hope that helps some.
Guest 3 Jun 2016, 10:42
+1 -0
This is quite helpful. Thank you. I did not make it to the top NLUs, but I agree with your view about location. For this reason, I would rate NUJS over NALSAR, though I did not make it to either, as their location is really good.

About Jindal, some clarity on scholarships would be helpful for us. Also, they have good professors, but if the batch size increases will everyone be taught by them? Also, I am not getting a clear picture about the classroom size. Some inside information would be good.
anon1234 3 Jun 2016, 11:13
+0 -0
Hello Kian,

While there are a lot of problems here at JGLS, faculty to a large extent is not. You are correct that there is mushrooming of incoming batches which to an extent is also taking a toll on the uni's infrastructure, but they have so far made sure that faculty is hired in proportion well in advance. So there is that.
kianganz 3 Jun 2016, 11:14
+0 -0
Sure, I don't mean the problem so much from the perspective of teaching resources, but jobs on graduation... It'll be very hard to find employment for a batch of hundreds...
Guest 3 Jun 2016, 14:17
+4 -0
Correct. Recruitments at JGLS are anyway good only for the top 20. With 400 a batch it will be hard to justify the fees. That way Symbi is a much better bet. I wish you highlight this more and blow JGLS's bubble. Symbi is really underrated and gets snide remarks for no reason.

Also, if you see JGLS' faculty, they have very few people in commercially relevant subjects. 60-70% of their faculty specialises in human rights and international law, and their electives are also human rights-centric. This is perhaps their VC Kumar is a human rights person.

I think you should do a faculty comparison and include Symbi. If VC's are not co-operating speak to the student body heads of each college. Surely they would be eay to interview?
Guest 3 Jun 2016, 06:07
+0 -0
Please expose this scam at DU

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/HC-rap-for-DU-on-law-school/articleshow/52511426.cms
Guest 3 Jun 2016, 19:19
+1 -4
This is a better ranking:

NLSIU
NALSAR
NUJS
Symbiosis
NLUJ
Rest
NLIU Troll 6 Jun 2016, 07:10
+1 -0
You must be delusional if you think Symbiosis is better than NLIU in ANY aspect.
Guest 4 Jun 2016, 08:58
+0 -0
Sir, when is the Legally India faculty survey coming out? I am choosing between some lower ranked NLUs and Jindal. I wish to choose a college with good faculty in corporate/commercial law, rather than human rights etc. I am confused about whether Jindal faculty is mostly specialised in human rights. Someone told me it is "Human Rights Global Law School" and not good for corporate law.
Outsider 4 Jun 2016, 10:12
+2 -1
Almost none of the NLUs have good faculty when it comes to commercial or financial laws. You need practitioners or at least ex-practitioners to teach those subjects properly and barring a few crazy NLU grads who come back to their Alma mater to teach, such people do not exist in the NLU scenario.
Guest 4 Jun 2016, 17:12
+0 -0
Sorry, downvoted your comment by mistake. You are totally right. The biggest problem with NLUs is that they do nto reach out to alumni. The reason is that the alumni are much smarter than the teachers, and the teachers feel insecure. There are very few alumni teaching at NLUs as full-time faculty.
... 4 Jun 2016, 16:46
+1 -0
Brother if you landed the lower NLU's then your hierarchy should be
1.JGLS
2.SLS-Pune
3.Amity-ip
4.Lower NLU's(bottom 9-10)
Period.
Guest 4 Jun 2016, 19:58
+1 -0
JGLS has the best faculty but not worth paying so much for it. much better to save and spend it on an LLM.
Guesto 5 Jun 2016, 05:52
+1 -0
if one has the money to spend on Jindal then he or she should simply get a 3 year graduate degree and prepare for LSAT(the real one) for those 3 years and go to an ivy league law school. :p