CLAT: A retrospective trip down memory lane

Studying for CLAT retrospective
Studying for CLAT retrospective

The Common Law Admission Test (CLAT) is by most accounts a tortuous affair. Legally India has chronicled the journeys of a few CLAT takers to success or other opportunities. Share your memories here, even if you would rather forget.

Nidhi Modani: (Rank 1 CLAT-2009). Bas naam hi kaafi hai!

Her friends have a fan page dedicated to her on Facebook which describes Nidhi as an athlete. So what does the athlete have for dinner?

Maggi! Cooked by her sister.

Nidhi recollects: “I worked late into the nights and my sister gave me great company all night. She had not much do so she used to paint. How I miss her awesome creations now.”

Family support played a huge part in Nidhi’s success. “I started serious preparations in April and thanks to mum had no disturbances or interruption whatsoever.”

“Without the support of my mum, dad and sister, I could not have made it.”

Aruj Garg (Rank 19-CLAT 2008) could be an Arjuna reincarnate of the twenty first century; his eyes fixed upon his goal, ready to hit the fish’s eye.

In class eleven he joined a crash course by a popular coaching institution and sat the entrance exams for NLS Bangalore, NALSAR Hyderabad and NLUJ Jodhpur just “to get the feel” of the exams.

He then did a year’s coaching in class twelve. In January he joined another popular course in Delhi, skipping his pre-boards for which he took special permission from his school.

And if that was not enough he took mock tests of yet another coaching institution which was run by a bunch NLS guys. Phew!

Nida Doon (Rank 149- CLAT 2009) took a leaf out of Aruj’s book and did two years of coaching. “What I have realised is that for CLAT the only things required are presence of mind, coherent thoughts and time management.”

Prateek Rath adopted an intellectually invigorating path reading books written by eminent jurists like Blackstone, Palkhivala, Mansfield and Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. (ahem). “This used to keep me motivated,” he says. For Harshit Bansal (Rank 337- CLAT 2009) daily travelling from Panipat to New Delhi to attend his coaching classes became tiring. “If you have to travel like this take some GK supplements or magazines with you,” he advises. Shikhar Garg (Rank 396- CLAT 2009) had a dream of studying in NALSAR since the time he decided to pursue law. Though he did not get his coveted place, he followed an interesting approach. “The CLAT brochure had snapshot of the NALSAR entrance gate. I ripped the page and pasted the picture on the notice board of my study table.”

But Vaisakh Shaji’s case (Rank 153- CLAT 2009) of how he continued dreaming until he realised it is awe inspiring. After spending a year at GLC Mumbai he decided that is not where he wanted to spend five years of his life.

He gave CLAT 2008 a go but didn’t make it.

“Ultimately what is the best is worth the wait,” he claims.

He then tried for CLAT 2009. “A lot of people discouraged me and told me that I was mad to sacrifice two years but I was convinced that I won’t settle for anything less.”

He got NUJS in this second attempt and another five marks would have put him in NLSIU. “It all proved to be very costly, mentally and monetarily. I crammed up the whole Oxford dictionary. Beat that.”

“I had concentration problems and used to lose my focus sometimes. Somebody told me this chant to recite everyday,” he adds smiling. “It’s tricky, but it did help to a certain extent.”

Paroma Mitra’s (Rank 5- CLAT 2009) party plans went into a tailspin courtesy the postponement of CLAT 2009. “I remember how we were supposed to have this post CLAT party and had a pub booked for the 18 May.”

“But thanks to CLAT getting postponed we actually ended up having the post-CLAT party two weeks before we actually wrote CLAT.”

On a more serious note she adds: “My preparations suffered a setback due to the postponement. The momentum got slackened.”

Luckily she was jolted back to normalcy (read urgency) with the NLSD entrance exam results where she stood “nowhere near the top”.

“So, effectively it was the last ten days when I put in the maximum I could.”

“I had fun preparing for CLAT. It’s fun now to remember the weird bits of GK [general knowledge] we had memorised for CLAT.”

Sneha Deka didn’t make it through the CLAT system and is presently at ILS Pune. “I guess I was more focussed on my boards,” she remembers. “But ILS is not bad at all. I am enjoying myself here.”

We wish CLAT 2010 takers all the best for their exam! We hope some of these examples will goad you on to success. And remember, if it does not work the way you intend it to, it is not the end of the world and even what initially appears as failure can be an opportunity in the end.

Picture by Eflon

Comments

Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 00:46
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Nice article....
These sentences are really inspiring... lol...
"If you have to travel like this take some GK supplements or magazines with you,"
"The CLAT brochure had snapshot of the NALSAR entrance gate. I ripped the page and pasted the picture on the notice board of my study table."
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 03:30
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Heartening to see people doing so much hardwork and dropping a year for an exam where no more than 12000 people apply... India is so less populated...!!
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 03:52
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hey, really nice article! Helps you figure out how to go about studying in a systematic manner!
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 04:01
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if u get a chance, do visit a national law school, u will get a lot of inspiration!
sarbjitarora 15 Feb 2010, 01:44
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Thank you for sharing these experiences.

Proves that starting early does matter.

Shared the article at:
http://www.clatguru.com/bhu-llb-entrance-2010-on-may-29/
Anonymous 16 Feb 2010, 16:15
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"The CLAT brochure had snapshot of the NALSAR entrance gate. I ripped the page and pasted the picture on the notice board of my study table."

hehe, when i joined NALSAR, there was no entrance gate!
Anonymous 17 Feb 2010, 06:39
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the GLC GUY..............DUDE U SHOULD NOT HAVE LEFT........GLC IS MUCH BETTER THAN ALMOST ALL LAW SCHOOLS EXCEPT NLSIU AND NALSAR and To some extent NUJS........two years is a lot .....worked harder here....did more internships.....and u would have been much better offf...
Anonymous 18 Feb 2010, 01:53
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I made an AIR of 261 on my first attempt, and it's not such a big deal, hence not worth 2 years of your life.
add to that the fact that you were in glc, which would prove to be better than tier III national law schools in general public opinion, also considering that most rankings are highly un-researched and no where close to the sad reality of legal education in India.
Also, it doesn't matter which law school are you in,except if you want to be a senior guided, alumni driven 'average joe', which no one would prefer to be.
As I see it, as long as you're willing to work hard, it makes no difference whether you're in nalsar, nliu, gnlu, or glc.
Anonymous 18 Feb 2010, 05:50
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This post apart from its intended purpose of providing much needed inspiration to the future takers of CLAT also subtly explains the underlying reason for a sliding deterioration of the quality of students making it to national law schools (That is a generalization, I can only speak about NLSIU, Bangalore where I have spent quite a few years now). Taking nothing away from the hard work put in by these guys and their enthusiasm to enter "the gates of a reputed law school", such ways of preparation (memorizing GK supplements, solving tailored "modules" etc.) make a mockery of the whole purpose of CLAT which is to test general aptitude of candidates and of course their proficiency in GK, English, Logical Reasoning etc. but not when people start to cram dictionaries (I really want to meet this guy, I am sure he has set a record of sorts, and is too good for any law school) or some supplements. It is such people (with some exceptions, of course) who don't do well throughout their law school life, because they don't find a LST or Prime to give them modules to cram for their exams or write their research papers.
The CLAT authorities should give a serious thought to this issue (it is an issue which has raised a lot of concern among the administrators of IITJEE , given the mushrooming of coaching centers across the country).
Anonymous 18 Feb 2010, 08:15
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m in a top law school, and i can proudly say that i dint take any coaching...and believe me, in some ways m way better than those students who crammed the modules of coaching institutes.....almost 95 % of my batchmates are from lst or sm other coaching...it is POSSIBLE to get thru clat without the help of these institutes...if u have a good LEGAL APTITUDE, u'll definitely be a better lawyer than a mugger who cracked clat by cramming lst modules!!
Anonymous 19 Feb 2010, 17:37
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I agree with Comments 9 and 10
Anonymous 23 Feb 2010, 02:34
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~~~~~~ PLZ HELP ~~~~~~~
guyz i've been prep fot IITJEE for the last 2 yrs. but lately i've realized that law is field ( i can remebr the morning newspapr mor thn than my PCM buks)
i'll be giving my 12 boards & aftr that 44 days remain for CLAt 2010. i want to giv my best shot in this 1st attempt of mine. how can i make the best use my limited time??
ppl hav been suggesting me to join a i month crash course at LSt etc. aftr reading comments 9 & 10. i thnk i shld self study. nd i'm vry bad a cramming. but i can remebr things. plz help.
Anonymous 23 Feb 2010, 04:02
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@Vishal
Joining any coaching instituion of repute will give you access to well researched study material and a sense of competition with the aspirants serious about their preparations. Mock tests held by the coaching institutions too will augur well for your preparation.

However, if you feel confident you may go ahead with self studies. But still, do invest in some good mock tests to gauge your national standing from time to time.
Anonymous 24 Feb 2010, 03:15
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@ Tanuj
Good to see inputs from a handful of the successful ones (a couple of them being our common friends). Though I wont be able to give advices on how to study for CLAT, I would just say that to get through it, all you need is a hunger for knowledge (read GK) and thirst for reaching the top slot. Mock tests help a lot too.
Tanuj, you must be remembering those times when we studied together during those post-LST hours and used to quiz each other. That is actually one of the more interesting and interactive ways to study. We should have done that more often and perhaps then I would have been in NUJS too. Haha, but with a CLAT rank of 442, I dont think I could have asked for more. Plus, its history now. But I must say it was a very great experience studying together with you. :-)
Anonymous 24 Feb 2010, 10:25
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thnx for your inputs ppl. will consider them. :-)
Anonymous 24 Feb 2010, 16:59
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Wow! Nitish! Great to hear from you. You make a brilliant point about the 'hunger for knowledge'...

BTW...do you remember a couple of questions we predicted actually came in the exam...and that I got both of them wrong...ha! :-)
Anonymous 27 Feb 2010, 08:24
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acc 2 me
there R lot of students who BURN THE MIDNIGHT OIL widout a MAGGI starving out 4 the
top law schools.but nobody ever daze @ them .luck plays always an imperative role.
& talking of CLAT ,where questions r capriciously vulnerablle...u never know when the trump card is on ur side..
all goes well when u achieve well!!
Anonymous 27 Feb 2010, 21:12
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@ Vishal
Your'e not the only one who's given up on iitjee. I've been preparing for it since, well, 9th ( I took foundation IIT classes, silly me ). And, now I've realized that Law is much more important to me than Science, and its what I'm passionate about. So, what i did about halfway through my 12th was to join [training course]. (I'm still in 12th. I'll be giving CLAT for the first time in 2010). The [...] classes were a great help. But what I'd suggest to you, is to completely chuck IIT 'cause its impossible to focus on two completely different things and excel in both. You can study for the CET (State board) simultaneously as a fall back option. Join a Crash course program from a reputed institute, and it'll do wonders, trust me. I have a friend who took a 2 month crash course program at LST and is now in NLSIU.

Good luck!
Anonymous 28 Feb 2010, 03:55
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thnx 2 d articlez.....rly givez a boost!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw...dt guy crammed up d whole oxford dictionary!phewwww...
Anonymous 1 Mar 2010, 00:25
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@ 18 : thnx for the info bro. gud to noe that dere r many othrs lyk me. i've completely given up JEE prep completely. All CLAT aftr boards.
Best of Luck :D
Anonymous 1 Mar 2010, 18:56
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For all the IIT-JEE aspirants who are finding it difficult to juggle JEE preparations with CLAT preps...you will surely find this article interesting http://1sttaste.blogspot.com/search?q=iit+delhi

This contains responses of Nazuk Kumar who cleared CLAT (making it to NLSIU) and IIT-JEE (IIT Delhi)...umm...what did she choose? Read on to find out.
Jyoti 2 Mar 2010, 03:02
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It's very foolish to compare IIT JEE and CLAT. Even today, depsite all the hype about law, I'm afraid it remains an option of last resort for many. Being successful in CLAT appears an achievement to those who accomplish it - in reality any student with good grades in Class 12 can clear it with about two weeks of study. My neighbour's son got through CLAT with 3 days, and finally went to Vellore Institute of Technology. Now Vellore is no doubt a reputed place but a far cry from the IITs or even the NITs. Yet he chose Vellore. I have asked many law graduates from these national schools what their other options were had it not been for law and the overwhelming lot confessed they had nowwhere else to turn to other than basic BA / BSc courses.

My point is this - currently law is not looked upon as a worthwhile career option for many good students due in part to inadequate information and also due to certain inherent weaknesses in the legal system (I have written a few lines on this as a comment to Abhishek Singhvi's interview in this website). As a result the ones cracking CLAT and making it to the top schools like NLS, NALSAR and NUJS are by and large mediocre when they join (though some admittedly become reasonable lawyers). In contrast the IIT and IIM grads are exceptionally bright and most can easily pick up the fundamentals of law in a few days of experience.

I find it worrisome that CLAT does not attract these people. To compound the problem the format of the paper is too general, and a large element of luck is involved. Preparation is more about pattern recognition than rigourous study (think IITJEE) and the system is biased towards english-speaking urban educated applicants which is a shame. The allocation of resources towards these law schools is poor and instead of establishing 3-4 institutions of quality, more than a dozen have mushroomed across the country with poor faculty, no infrastructure and 'national' only in name. Some are audacious enough to have quotas for locals (Read NLIU Bhopal). With this picture in mind, imagine the choice facing a student who qualifies to NLIU Bhopal and IIT Guwahati. Apart from Bhopal and Guwahati being remote cities, there is nothing in common. In IIT, he (or she) gets a promise of the best infratructure (read:labarotories), is placed in a class full of exemplars (nearly all IITians were at the top of their class in school), has a reputed brand value (top 150 universities worldwide) and good if not great faculty. In NLIU Bhopal he (or she) will get a class half of whom are from MP (not a state known for academic prowess), a barely sufficient library, no international recognition (only NLSIU has a little name abroad) and faculty that are an embarassment to teaching - and all this for a fee that is a considerable percentage of the IIT fee. There's simply no comparison.

Disclaimer: I have used NLIU Bhopal as an example but many of the other national law schools could equally have been quoted.
Setting Facts Straight 29 Jun 2016, 20:44
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Students are mediocre? ALL the students in the top NLUs are toppers of their respective, nationally-reputed schools! That's a fact. Have you any knowledge in this respect whatsoever, or are you wasting the time of visitors to this website simply because, as mentioned by another user, you have nothing better to do? These days, even toppers are not getting admission to the top-ranked NLUs. The very crème de la crème gets the privilege of attending a good NLU.

You seem stuck in 1950s, where your arguments may have some truth in them. Welcome to the 21st century, you're outdated, and need to yield to those who know better.

You are thinking of your encounters with one or two lawyers (which perhaps were the only ones that your cheap firm could afford?) and using that to defame the entire community of lawyers and legal education. You're jumping to sweeping conclusions based on insufficient data. And you claim to have "a set of credentials as good as any" to air your opinion. Umm....you're missing a pretty big one, it's called Logic!

You have already established your deficit in IQ points with your posts. You need not insult your alma mater by associating it with yourself, which let's face it, is the community college of the Ivys. Your father with all his contacts could only do so much for someone as intellectually challenged as yourself.

Oh, I am sorry.. Did the truth hurt? ;(
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 04:22
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LAST RESORT FOR MANY! KID US NOT!!!
IT IS THE FIRST OPTION FOR MANY.
AND LAW SCHOOLITES ARE MEDIOCRE!!!
JUST CHECK ON THE RHODES SCHOLARSHIP MATE.
AND MAYBE, YOU COULD VISIT ONE OF THE NLSs ONCE.
AND THEN TALK WHOZ MEDIOCRE AND WHO IS NOT.

(I KNOW 'CAPS' AMOUNT TO SHOUTING, BUT FOR SEVERELY ILL INFORMED LOOSE COMMENTS LIKE ABOVE, I CAN'T HELP MYSELF).
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 04:29
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da person above is very less informed!! to get into the top three NLSs one has to get a rank below 250 in a CLAT....over 14000 students appear in the exam...nd if the ratio is taken into consideration, it is higher as compared to JEE...the competition is tough here...cracking clat may mean anything, getting a seat in the bottom two can also be regarded as "CRACKING CLAT"...so kindly choose your words....nd law students being mediocre??? every year a law student bags a RHODES SCHOLARSHIP, the most prestigious scholarship in the world by any standards, this year two law students have bagged the scholarship, one from NLS and one from NALSAR,,could you please tell me how many IITians get that scholarship? talk about debates...its NLSs everywhere! its either NLS or NALSAR....nd about law being da last option, time is not the same now!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT! i know a lot of ppl who chose NLS and NALSAR, even NUJS over IIT...even i left NIT NAGPUR for a very prestigious law school...its upto the aspirant to decide whether he wants to do law or engineering,...they are two entirely different fields...!

P.S. law schools produce leaders like gandhi, nehru, obama and ambedkar and not machine operating employees!
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 04:35
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I'll ccp what I wrote in some other thread.

CLAT is basically an aptitude test. It tests what a 'would-be' good lawyer in India would require: strong english and logic and awareness of what goes on in the society.

Your neighbour got through CLAT with three days of preps coz he had the above and an aptitude for law. But for many for whom law is the first choice, who slog through class 11 and 12 in coaching instis like LST, preparation does matter. Its a competition among 15k students for 500 top seats.

AND YES EVEN I WANT TO SHOOUUUUTTTT AT 22's SILLY COMMENT!
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 04:43
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Firstly, Pattern recognition is THE FORTE of Engineers.

Secondly, please do your research. People making it to NLSs too are the TOPPERS of the classes. Some of them chuck IITs to go to the law schools. (If you have any friend in the top NLSs, do ask him/her). DO YOUR RESEARCH.

Thirdly, some of the NLSs have state reservations as they are founded by that state's statute.

And how audaciously supercilious can you be. "I find it worrisome that CLAT does not attract these people"........."There is simply no comparison"...Who are you eh? Some renowned research on education in India?

PLEASE DON'T PUT IN WHATEVER YOUR SEVERELY IGNORANT MIND COMES UP WITH. Check the facts first.
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 04:44
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Reading the above articles gives a boost to the law aspirants.
I am a drop out and I am also a one of those who were in a dilemma to chose one out of Engineering or Law. After studying Engineering for a month in Pune I then decided to study for Law.
At this point of time i really don't have any coaching for law. But what I am doing is reading newspapers and magazines and sometimes a bit of vocabulary building.
What i want to ask is a way to improve our Legal knowledge efficiently. How should i go about it.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Jyoti 2 Mar 2010, 11:25
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Aha. My comments evoke a stong backlash ? Well - the truth can be hurtful. I don't believe in offering unsubstantiated opinions, so here's my take on some of the emotional replies.

1. Rhodes Scholarships - The scholarships are awarded with an informal 'quota' where law is given 1-2 places each year (out of 6 in all). Even in the days before the national law schools came into being, there were that many law students who got the Rhodes'. Award of the scholarship therefore proves nothing about the competency of the national law schools. It means merely that out of the set of available law students in the country a certain 2 (or 1) are among the most deserving. It must be kept in mind that owing to the historic bent that Oxford places towards humanities (of which law forms a part), music and arts, these fields are more represented than medicine, sciences and particularly engineering. Further students of subjects that are not taught at a PG level in Oxford will never be eligible for a Rhodes' notwithstanding the fact that they may be the very best in their fields. For that matter until 1977 no women were awarded the scholarship - does that mean women are any less deserving? This obsession with Rhodes is therefore completely irrelevant and is as foolish as asserting that law is inferior to engineering merely because the Nobel Prize has no category for law.

2. Statistics on IITJEE and CLAT - I'm afraid you lot are not very well informed. Last year the success rate through the IITJEE for the IITs was 6491 out of 3.85 lakh applicants (1 in 59). For CLAT it was 1102 out of 14,000 applicants (1 in 13). Please note that this is after the number of IITs were doubled in 2008 or the IITJEE success ratio would have been closer to 1 in 110. This is also after the more stringent disqualifications introduced last year for the IITJEE (two attempts only and a 60% 12th grade requirement).

3. My credentials - I have a Sc.B. (engineering mathematics) summa cum laude from Brown University (thats equal to a B.E / B.Tech here). Afterwards I attended U Chicago's J.D. program. One of my parents was a Rhodes Scholar and was on the india selection commitee for many years before his demise. I have worked in financial institutions as an analyst for close to seven years now and my work brings me in close contact with lawyers, accountants, engineers and MBAs. I'd say this is as good a set of credentials as any, for commenting on the quality of lawyers in the country and particularly their education.

4. State Reservations - I find it absurd that an institution that titles itself as a 'National' one earmarks half it's intake for local residents and yet vies to be compared with those that do not. Such a reservation serves even less purpose that the prevailing caste and class reservation. It is important because a great deal of learning is peer-induced. A telented environment stimulates competition. One that is not promotes laggardness. If the state really wanted to promote it's residents, it ought to establish an institute exclusively for them.

...continued below
Jyoti 2 Mar 2010, 11:26
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.........continued from above

5. Entrance exams (revisted) - CLAT is no doubt an aptitude test but not scientifically prepared and one that is prone to inconsistent results if given repeatedly to the same target group. In other words two sets of CLAT papers when attempted by a fixed pool of applicants are more prone to produce lists of successful candidates that differ substantially. The absence of a personal interview / GD compounds this. There is much less variation in IITJEE scores, CAT / GMAT / GATE scores or even the LSAT scores that are used for JD admissions in the US. I have examined the CLAT papers - they appear to be prepared very casually with little scientific application of mind. In comparison, huge sums of money and a large amount of research is expended in preparation of GMAT / CAT papers.

6. Visiting Law Schools - I have indeed visited NLS (and Faculty of Law, DU, NLS of Delhi and NLIU Bhopal) and interacted with the faculty.I have also looked up the faculty list from a few other law schools. In addition I have myself been a JD student in Chicago. What I have consistently found is that barring a few exceptions in DU and two gentlemen in NLSIU (and Dr. Madhava Menon), the rest have no practical experience in the subjects in which they teach, have zero professional repute internationally, and are eagerly looking out for opportunities abroad. In comparison at least a quarter of all IIT / AIIMS faculty have research papers sent to them for peer review from abroad, and are recognised beyond doubt as authorities in their fields across the world. Nearly all publish 2-3 papers a year in the very best academic journals and many serve on the scholastic committees as well.

7. Mediocrity - It's my word against you lot on this but from experience a large percentage of law students in india are educationally very mediocre when they join law school. They may or may not eventually become good lawyers but I find it regrettable that so many of those that are successful in CLAT take up law for want of a better option.
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I have repeatedly found that the quality of legal education in India lags far behind that offerred in other fields such as engineering and management. The results are clearly visible in business transactions where most india-educated lawyers come across as immature, not at all well-read or up-to-date with developments in their field and are unable to look at a point strategically. In contrast the engineers that I have come across have shown remarkable tenacity to understand the principles of law and use them effectively during review of documentation.

Education is also a science and needs to be approached as such. That is why I forsee the venture of the IITs into legal education could one day rival or even overtake the National law schools.

I have nothing against lawyers. I simply feel that indian legal education has decades to go before it rivals indian medical, economics, engineering or management education. The same holds true for the indian legal profession - something i have already commented upon here in the past.

PS - I find it amusing that someone mentioned that 'law schools produce leaders like gandhi, nehru, obama and ambedkar'. To set the record straight, Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar and Obama all studied law abroad and and had nothing whatsoever to do with law schools in India.
Setting Facts Straight 30 Jun 2016, 10:55
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Read my reply to comment no. 22. It's actually a combined reply to both this, and this poorly informed user's previous comment. It gives some perspective on this user's "credentials."
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 14:22
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HAHAHAH! Engineering and science grads are feeling a bit unsafe, unsecure for themselves. They are hardly managing jobs to keep both ends meet. With lawschoolites getting well paid, high-end jobs, these people can't do nothing but bicker. Please feel sorry for them guys!

@above
your stat no. 2....dude thats for the whole lot of NLSs many of which just sprang up. That didnot find a way into your explanations. PLEASE STOP BEING SO ONE-SIDED in the facts your provide!

And talk about engineering entrances. The good results are hijacked by coaching institutions. Brains, IQs and hardwork don't matter. Its formulaes, short-cuts which do. Such is the business of law entrances.
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 14:30
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@22...so you found two people in DU and Mr. Menon (ONLY???!!!) with good credentials.

I am from a national law school (NUJS) and maybe you can see our faculty list and see who Mr. MP Singh, Mr. Manoj Kumar Sinha, Mr. Shamnad Basheer, Mr. Sudhir Krishnasway, Mr. Manoj Kumar Sinha, Mr. Prabash Ranjan and Mr. Pritam Baruah is.

And BTW therez hardly anyone in the top five NLSs with a board percentage of less than 80%....to get facts straight! I URGE YOU TO DO A BIT OF RESEARCH.
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 18:55
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there are only 5 rhodes scholar every year and not 6! get ur facts right and den speak!
Anonymous 2 Mar 2010, 19:40
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CLAT has truly professionalised and one could say even revolutionsed law entrance examination. The number of apirants has increased manifold (from around 7k NLSIU applications earlier to the nearly 15k now expected in 2010).

Also most of them are very very serious about law preps. LST has nearly 5k students on its roll who are spending anything from 8k- 15k only for preps. This shows the seriousness of the students aspiring to be lawyers.

@22

You might have seen previous year's CLAT paper, which was relatively easier as the original test paper was leaked thus forcing the authorities to make a paper in a hurry. The 2008 CLAT was tougher.

However the 12k students who took CLAT 2009 had only around 330 seats (in top 5 NLUs to aim). The students who enter the law schools after such stiff competition are bound to be excellent.

My interactions with the law students of NLUs has proved to be great. They are superbly intelligent, confident and well rounded of chaps. Most of them hover around 90s as far as their board marks are concerned (which I don't think is a consideration).

In debates which involves IITs and top notch art college students NLU students have generally triumphed. One might say that thats a lawyer's job (to debate) but then again debating requires logic and coherent thoughts and their articulation. I have also seen prefer colleges like nalsar, nls bangalore and nujs to some IITs.

22, your arguments might have been right a decade back, but now they are just not right!!!
Anonymous 3 Mar 2010, 03:13
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sum 1 plz do clear on this------
what role does the preference of institutions actually play....ppl say that in case i gt a rank of 200 [say] and therefore i am eligible for a 'xyz' insti....but as i have given that xyz insti in the lower preferences of insti....so i won't get in that??.....but rather a guy who has acquired 400th positn,but have given the correct preference of insti...will get the seat...
d past aspirants can please highlight on this....coz itz really troubling me!!!!!!!!
Anonymous 3 Mar 2010, 04:53
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You say .... "That is why I forsee the venture of the IITs into legal education could one day rival or even overtake the National law schools."

I am afraid that argument is flawed. I say this because the quality of legal education in the country will only be as good as the quality of faculty we have. If National Law Schools cannot manage to get decent faculty what makes you think the mere entry of the IITs into legal education will?

On mediocrity- Most of the kids who get through IIT JEE are mediocre too. The only difference between a kid who gets through CLAT and one that gets through JEE is that the latter has slogged for a couple of years while the former has just studied for a couple of months. Years of "training" on how to attempt a tough examination paper hardly makes you good; and I quote a dialogue from this movie I saw- The kids who get into IIT are just "better trained" and not "better educated" when compared to their CLAT counterparts.

Mediocrity is a problem in general with the students pursuing higher education in India be it IIT or a Law School. The culprit? The concept of a common entrance examination which does not evaluate the level of education or aptitude of students. These examinations only evaluate how well they are trained to attempt the paper.

So in my opinion the students in the IITs will fare just as miserably as lawyers as their counterparts in Law Schools. If students join Law Schools for want of better options, most join IIT only because
Anonymous guest 3 Mar 2010, 04:57
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@Paul
Yes. Marking your preferences carefully and right is very important. Lets say you get rank 2 in CLAT 2010 and had marked NLU, Jodhpur as your first preference. So you'll get NLU, Jodhpur only. Even if you want you can not get NLSIU or whatever you want.
Anonymous guest 3 Mar 2010, 05:41
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i think this forum is to guide law aspirants as how to prepare for clat.

and @ 28 I salute you sir.

With your qualifications , you seem to me a very big personality or atleast one with a decent job .

Tell me how the hell do you get so much time to write all this on a website that has almost nothing to do with your kind of work and is meant to educate law students and aspirants.

Dude!!!! Is your Buisness is sinking ?
seems pretty jobless to me....

Get a Life man.

Try and appreciate the good things. Cynical approach would not land you anywhere.

Engg and Law is different. "YOU make things and we protect your rights so that you can make things."
appreciate the inter-relationship..... criticizing wont help.


If you are so educated man!!!!!

just tell me would it make any sense typing such long comments... in a public forum.

If you want to change something act..... towards appropriate authority.
Anonymous guest 3 Mar 2010, 06:11
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The marking of preferences is a bad thing. The students should have a counseling instead which will help them make informed decisions.
Anonymous guest 3 Mar 2010, 06:43
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why can't you choose before? its a simple and effective process that the CLAT authorities follow.
Anonymous guest 3 Mar 2010, 07:05
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The problem is that most people do not think their options through while marking their preferences between 10 law schools. Everyone wants Bangalore but just 60 get it. You tend to go random after marking your top two preferences. This affects many students who get ranks 150 onwards. They often do not get a better law school of their choice just because of the preferences they gave while filling the CLAT form. A counselling after the results are out will help them analyse their options and choose a law school from their available options. You'd rather let them to do their research after CLAT and let them prepare for CLAT without them breaking their heads about what rank will land them up where.
Anonymous guest 8 Mar 2010, 01:05
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I wouldn't be surprised if in ten years time we'll find that the standard of our law schools has gone down. Lemme share something with you guys, do you know what I find most SURPRISED and SHOCKING? It's the fact that I have to PREPARE for a LOGICAL REASONING TEST. GOSH. It's like a flippin' paradox, so much for having a GENUINE brain. >_>
I won't be surprised if this article was dealt under the table. pfft.
Anonymous guest 8 Mar 2010, 06:52
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While the current Indian legal education has "miles to go" before it catches up with say Engg / Medicine, but it has also already covered "miles" from where it was in the eighties right till late nineties. Till about 1980s and 1990s LLB courses were considered mostly by chhattra netaas (student leaders) who wanted to continuously contest stduent union elections till their children entered the uiversity. I think the NLUs have done YEOMAN service to elevate the legal education from that status to where it is today where several good students consider law as a "choice" course and career. But all this will take some more time to get "law education shining"...till that time I think we will have debates and opinions of all hues.

Additionally one cant get in even a second rung engg / mba course without a proper common entrance test ; but in law most colleges (except the NLUs and a few others that have proper, common entrance tests) most admissions are direct and done on basis of so called "merit". It is high time that Bar Council woke and did something about it, if it wants to do something to elevatte the legal education.
LegalPoet 8 Mar 2010, 07:36
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It is not a LOGIC REASONING TEST! It is a LAW ADMISSION TEST DUDE. It has a components like LEGAL REASONING, LEGAL APTITUDE, LEGAL REASONING etc. And even LOGIC REASONING needs to be polished. This has been going on since Ancient times man: study and development of LOGIC.

CONSIDER the STEREOTYPE and a wrongly held assumption which you have Mr. 41...that LOGIC reasoning can't be prepared for. Ha! Maybe you could read some literature on the subject.

And I won't be surprised if coz of CLAT the STANDARDS GO UP TREMENDOUSLY. Not do we have more competition now but seeing a national entrance test more SERIOUS aspirants, who earlier had little knowledge of law as a career too are taking CLAT.
Anonymous guest 10 Mar 2010, 04:58
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hi all,my nephew is planning on giving the CLAT this year.He lives abroad and although he is preparing for it there,he is interested in doing a crash course to prepare for it.He is coming down to bangalore by the 1st of APRIL and before he comes i would like to get him into the best coaching centre which helps to prepare for this test. please can you'll suggest the best coaching centres here in bangalore.
thankyou.
Anonymous guest 10 Mar 2010, 05:46
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LST is supposedly the best.
Sriram in Chennai also produces great results.
Anonymous guest 11 Mar 2010, 01:16
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thanks a lot for the advice
Anonymous guest 12 Mar 2010, 00:24
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so juz bcoz of d wrong preferences of institution sum1 might land up to nowhere...evn after getting a good rank....??????[:sad:]
Anonymous guest 12 Mar 2010, 00:55
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Yes! So your job is simple. Mark carefully your preferences. If you can't do this simple thing...better not take up the legal profession.
Anonymous guest 12 Mar 2010, 01:36
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NALSAR introduces 20% reservation for locals this year... Sad huh? Losing its quality soon...
prashant 13 Mar 2010, 03:15
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hey guys i believe most of u are recruited in national law colleges through clat or maybe any other
i am giving by boards science dis year n with only pe n maths left to i am considering my option abt clat seriously . frankly spaking i freaked 2 years of my life preparin fr iit jee
bt dn somehow dad convinced me abt the growing potential of clatn after a bit research i came to realise tht indeed he has a point after all
SO I decided to take clat seriouslyn with only more thn 1 month left fr clat i m somewhat frustated
as i hv gt no access to any kind study materialn besides I M CURRENTLY UNABLE TO JOIN COACHING LIKE LST ETC DUE TO UNAVOIDABLE REASONS
so frankly speakingi wish to talk personall to any of you clatpassers in order to clarify some doubts of mine so please do give a call to me no. is 9457047101 name PRASHANThope u guys take it seriously
please no pranks
an honest request
thankin you
Anonymous guest 16 Mar 2010, 07:07
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thnx for comments
i'm giving my class 12th exams
i also aspire to be a good lawyer
bt the fact is tht i'm having just 70.71% marks in 10th n i will get even low in my12th
after reading ur comments i think i can't work on with it
pls help out if u can.....
Anonymous guest 16 Mar 2010, 17:45
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just because you get low percentage in 10th doesn't mean, you cannot do well in CLAT. CLAT has no connection with a good percentage in 10th or 12th. although you must score 50% and above in 12th.

on the whole IIT v/s law school thing, even though i believe what Mr.TopJob there wrote is the bitter truth about law in india not being anywhere near, say, harvard or cambridge- it's not correct to say that students who score well in IIT are any better or smarter than those who do well in CLAT. it's a very subjective issue regarding different fields. how can you compare them?. how many IIT aspirants and IIT-ians can speak about the political scenario or the situation in Iraq? what i mean to say is Law and engineering are two very different fields and you cannot compare students merely on the basis of institutions present in India.
and even while IIT are very reputed, they still stand below MIT or columbia etc.
Anonymous guest 7 Apr 2010, 21:14
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Umm...well I'm a Clat applicant and let me say I find your comments exremely idiotic. The IIT JEE can be "cracked" by anyone who has half a semblance of a brain and is ready to give up his life...for the rest of his life. IIT produces very narrow-minded individuals. And who in IIT goes there for the love of engineering? They only go there because they aim for a larger paypacket.
Oh! and of course machine operators are more useful than someone who can actually understand what our country is based upon!! Silly me.
And of course, lawyers like Obama are far less capable than someone who knows by rote all the laws of thermodynamics.
Anonymous guest 8 Apr 2010, 00:46
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I agree with #52

It is foolish to compare the two streams simply because, as common sense dictates, they are fundamentally different. You cannot brand everyone who is coming to IIT as people who are after money ( as not everyone who comes to the NLSs is after money!)
You need to recognize the importance of engineers as well as lawyers in the society.
Anonymous guest 8 Apr 2010, 22:36
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This is the most amusing comparison i have come across in a long time ...... i m nt here to boast about iits bt i would really like to tell ya all about what they are ..... if u think IITians dont know what goin on in their country and they are the bloody bookworms then my friend you are talking about the IIT aspirants ... seldom such guys make it to IITs and even if they make it they dont make it with a good rank , My rank was 786 , I was never a topper in my class , just loved the subjects .... I am a national level quizzer so dont worry about me not able to judge whats going on in my country .... Guys from my college top in IAS , IIMs , make it to best colleges in world for post graduations and you say they are worthless ... how dumb ARE you ???
Some ne above has commented that mediocres go to IITs then where do your real genius superstars go ??? ..... Most of you guys have no idea about IITs and their students , most of you think it must be like the '3 idiots' movie .... well its not
Anonymous guest 8 Apr 2010, 22:37
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Some facts :
The capital sent home by the IITians has been a major source of the expansion of foreign exchange reserves for India (via wiki)
Many IIT's alumni have become entrepreneurs, including N.R. Narayana Murthy (co-founder and chairman of Infosys), Rajendra S. Pawar (Co-founder and Chairman of NIIT), Vinod Khosla (co-founder, Sun Microsystems), Anurag Dikshit (co-founder of PartyGaming) and Suhas S. Patil (founder and Chairman Emeritus Cirrus Logic Inc.). Other alumni have achieved leading positions in corporations, such as Rajat Gupta (former Managing Director, McKinsey), Arun Sarin (former CEO, Vodafone), Vijay K. Thadani (Co-founder and CEO of NIIT), Victor Menezes (Senior Vice Chairman, Citigroup), and Kanwal Rekhi (CTO, Novell) . IIT alumni have also pursued careers in politics; for example, Manohar Parrikar became the Chief Minister of Goa. Many alumni have gained national and international recognition: Sushantha Kumar Bhattacharyya was awarded the CBE, a knighthood, and Padma Bhushan; and V. C. Kulandaiswamy was awarded Padma Shri and Padma Bhushan. Narendra Karmarkar is also world-renowned for his work in applied mathematics. Many IITians have contributed a great deal to innovations in science and technology, such as Mani Lal Bhaumik who co-invented the LASIK eye surgery process. They have authored many books and hold many patents
Anonymous guest 10 Apr 2010, 01:15
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IIT and NLU's both rock in their own way!
Totally different subjects, best students in both!
Anonymous guest 10 Apr 2010, 02:38
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man ... its 30 days left for clat now ..... gotta race up .. i din take it seriously for the pas 14 days .. do u think 30 days with ass off preps r enough
Anonymous guest 10 Apr 2010, 02:52
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i got into nlsiu with just 2 weeks of "ass off" prep.
Anonymous guest 10 Apr 2010, 17:51
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Any1 can u giv me some mocks for clat, plzzzzz
LegalPoet 10 Apr 2010, 18:36
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@60
Contact LST, sriram or IMS. For mock tests I would suggest LST. They have nearly 5000 students taking mock tests...by the end of it, you do know where you stand.
Anonymous guest 14 Apr 2010, 02:16
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iit is a stupid thing
Anonymous guest 16 Apr 2010, 22:33
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must say that the experiences shared by the above were absolutely inspiring .the above has provideed some momentum for me although......
Anonymous guest 3 May 2010, 20:53
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The GLC guy in the above thread reminds me of a dear friend of mine at GLC.
So,
Fact : More than half the population in GLC is studying there because there rank in Clat wasn't decent enough.
Having stated that,
Fact : I'm not saying GLC is not a good college. It is very good. One of the best in India. Still, 50% of my batch mates (NLU, Jodhpur) were admitted into GLC but chose a National Law University over it.
Fact : National Law Universities have the best faculty. I.P Messey, V.S. Shastri, et al. (My university).
Fact : Fighting over which is the best college is simple routine. Even though i hate this rivalry/university patronizing, I find it extremely entertaining and always brings up a great debate.
Fact : Going to LSTs, random law school preps is a sheer wastage of dear time. I'm here after 3 days of preparing at home. Reading general knowledge modules is lame. General knowledge should be 'generally' acquired.

Finally, Law subjects and law school in general is a very logical ball-park. Ergo, the Clat should be more inclined towards bending the mind, not mere legal knowledge.

Err, best of luck i guess for all aspirants. Law school is fun, simply put. Which at the end of the day is what matters.
Cheers.
Anonymous guest 16 Jun 2010, 18:16
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Please have a look at the number of engineers the IIT Factories are producing every year. On the other hand, less than 100 people graduate from every NLU every year. The number of lawyers produced by all NLUs put together will be less than the number of engineers produced by one IIT alone. So on the question of "who can get more Foreign Exchange" you make absolutely no sense. The comparison of "How many NLUites and How many IITians are doing well" in pure numbers is an illogical one.
Alankrita 31 May 2011, 19:12
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i'll be appearing for CLAT 2012 . Plz give me some tips
Legal Poet II 1 Jun 2011, 04:51
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[b]Read. Read. Read.[/b] Newspapers, books, wikipedia.
Star solving
[b]Solve LSAT books.
[b]Do a speed reading course.[b]Tony Buzan's[/b] books are helpful.
Nikhil Ravishanker 31 Jan 2013, 11:06
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The CLAT is meant to be a test of aptitude unlike the IIT-JEE which is a test of achievement. So, comparing the two would be unfair. The fact that you refer to the Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Science courses as being basic is testimony to your ignorance. Your comments, in their entirety, reek of ignorance and elitist tendencies. Your statement claiming that the Indian Institute of Technology ranks among the top 150 colleges in the world is factually incorrect. The highest ranked IIT is the one situated in Bombay, with a worldwide rank of 212. "The ones cracking CLAT and making it to the top schools like NLS, NALSAR and NUJS are by and large mediocre when they join (though some admittedly become reasonable lawyers). In contrast the IIT and IIM grads are exceptionally bright and most can easily pick up the fundamentals of law in a few days of experience," you claim. Nothing could be further from the truth. The law, as a subject, requires years and decades of study and practice, to be entirely grasped. Even the five years spent at law school aren't enough to grasp its fundamentals, which you claim can be picked up in a few days by IIT and IIM graduates. Although one can clear the CLAT with a few days of practice, one has to realise that the exam is a test of 'potential' for the study of law and not legal acumen itself. The National Law Universities have performed extremely well at the global scene, with publications in legal journals of repute and winning some of the top mooting competitions including the Jessup and the Price moot. In contrast, the Indian Institute of Technology lags far behind with very little in terms of research and innovation. While there is definitely room for improvement at the National Law Schools, that room is bigger at the IITs.
Observer 1 Jul 2016, 07:58
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Well said!