Bleak 2014 graduate outlook at CNLU Patna: 0 jobs in hand, admin apathetic as students pay recruiters’ travel

CNLU: Sky not so blue at the momoent
CNLU: Sky not so blue at the momoent

CNLU Patna’s on-campus recruitment activity is at its lowest in four years. The law school’s fourth batch, graduating this year, has zero confirmed jobs, two offers subject to internships, and has been visited by only one recruiter - Legal Process Outsourcing (LPO) company Mindcrest.

Nine students who appeared in Mindcrest’s interview on 2 April are awaiting interview results, while Athena Law Associates in Delhi has made offers subject to an internship with Rs 15,000 as stipend to two other students.

An anonymous student writing to Legally India, and student sources at the law school whom Legally India contacted, blamed CNLU’s administration for the lack of recruitments from campus.

Initiative

According to the fifth-year student’s post on Legally India, students at CNLU were still without jobs because its administration had allegedly focused on “installing lifts and air conditioners in the faculty chambers rather than providing qualitative faculty members or books for that matter in the library” and had created rigorous attendance requirements which “rummage [their] chances to even secure a [pre-placement offer]” as they are not able to undertake longer internships.

A student close to the process said: “We have not made a placement brochure in the first place, the reason being that we know there is not going to be any effort from the side of the college. The administration has said they have nothing to do with the placements.”

“[The students] have adjusted to the situation,” he said.

The student commented that factors which have led to the current recruitment scenario at the law school include lack of good faculty on campus, failure of the administration to designate a faculty member to reach out to firms and companies for placement at the law school, and failure to organise moot court competitions, conferences and paper presentations which bring potential recruiters from the industry to the campus.

“They have money. They have installed a lift which goes to the vice-chancellor’s office in a two-storied building [15 days ago] but they are not inviting any company to campus,” commented the student.

“Mindcrest came to campus 20 days back. It was completely [students’] initiative of calling them. [Interested] students [pooled in] money and sponsored tickets [for Mindcrest hiring executives to come down to campus]. We gave presentations to tell them they should come to our university. It was a sole student initiative. I don’t think it happens like this [in other law schools],” the student added.

Blame game

CNLU vice chancellor Prof Dr A Lakshminath, who is former Nalsar Hyderabad Dean, said: “There is absolutely some communication gap [between administration and students]. You can’t go spoon feeding these people, right from the beginning they are expected to do something. The administration is doing its best. We call the recruitment office no one comes forward. There is no communication. They don’t turn up.”

Lakshminath said that the administration had designated “four to five faculty members and some students” to be in charge of campus recruitments. He declined to comment further, asking Legally India to contact CNLU assistant professor Ajay Kumar and assistant registrar BRN Sharma for further details on the law school’s placement activities.

Sharma said: “As of now from my knowledge there is no coordination [between students and the administration] or something like that. The administration will take initiative on the initiative of students. I am not having a clear cut idea and information as to what extent [placement efforts have been made]. It is the coordination between those students and the administration. They have to come out with their options.”

Kumar was not available for comment as he was travelling today.

Track record

The law school’s first batch, which graduated in 2011, was visited by two law firms and a law journal for campus recruitment, nine days after 11 students from that class sat on an indefinite hunger strike calling for Bihar’s chief minister to intervene in the dismal campus recruitment situation there.

The second batch secured 25 jobs, 80 per cent of which were in LPOs. It is understood that the third batch mustered up a similar number of jobs, mostly with LPOs too.

It is understood that none of those jobs came through any fourth year campus recruitment.

While class sizes up to the batch graduating from CNLU in 2014 were of 80 students, next year onwards 140 students will graduate from the law school annually.

Fourth year recruitment efforts this year for 2015 graduates at Nalsar Hyderabad have yielded 29 confirmed jobs, 27 job offers at NUJS Kolkata, 10 confirmed jobs at NLU Delhi, 12 offers at NLU Jodhpur, and 33 jobs at NLSIU Bangalore.

A law firm counterview

One lawyer responded on Twitter to the CNLU student’s open letter, writing under the @twitvention handle: “Dear @LegallyIndia I just read this and thought I’d relay a few comments considering i have a view being a partner of a leading law firm. The kid is clearly ranting - 2014 has been the slowest year so jobs are less. Not sure why NLU or any other college is to be blamed.

“Till 5 yrs or so back, there was hardly any concept of college recruitment, so most people got jobs by independently applying. So my 2 pennies worth - instead of blaming your college, try & up your skills so that you make a compelling case in your interview — getting through a good college does not and should not promise a job - its what you bring to the table!”

Comments

Scooters-S 21 Apr 2014, 13:43
+30 -4
Which fool of an ass is this stupid partner and of which law firm? Neither was 2014 very slow nor has campus recruitments started just 5 years back! If he is speaking of his firm's business being slow and his firm having started going for campus recruitments just 5 ears back, he is far from right than to generalise.

CNLU students and strudents from other newer N colleges can only prove their mettle if they are given a chance, i.e. internships. Without which no one can prove themselves and all that they can rely is a brand name.

Lakshminath is a big slob. I dont have a clue what he did in Nalsar and clearly if he is blaming students for not being communicative, it is just sheer fraud. Students having to fund travel for the recruiters is pathetic. For the college and event for those lousy recruiters who can stop to such levels to be able to ask or accept free tickets from students! Do they even have the balls to ask NLS/NALSAR/ NUJS for airfare? Bloody extorters!

This is clear abdication of responsibility. Administration cannot guarantee jobs but the lack of any effort should be grounds for impeachment.

Unfair for the kids.
Shuklaji 22 Apr 2014, 06:21
+3 -1
Sounds like a Partner from Luthra..
Scooters-S 22 Apr 2014, 08:16
+3 -1
Associate only. And not from Luthra (thank god!)
AK49 22 Apr 2014, 11:58
+2 -1
[quote name="Shuklaji"]Sounds like a Partner from Luthra..[/quote]

oh come on ! Stop maligning luthra in each and every news article. We all know that Luthra has been one of the largest recruiters from top law schools over the last 15 years. Even this year they were a day zero firm in every top law school, and have recruited more than a dozen people.
Shuklaji, did you get rejected by Luthra??
Shuklaji 22 Apr 2014, 12:17
+2 -2
Haha, sorry if you happen to be from Luthra. Just cannot resist Luthra jokes these days. By the way, I got recruited way before Luthra could tie me down to the 3 year lock-in! Thanks to Jesus, I say!
Shuklaji 22 Apr 2014, 12:22
+0 -0
I meant the partner who responded on Twitter.
Guest 21 Apr 2014, 13:47
+21 -6
Very sobering story and also very sad. So many young minds put in jeorpardy at a time when they should be celebrating first jobs. The words of the the vice chancellor are so dumb that I cannot fathom a reply - these people are totally disconnected with the institutions they run and the students they guide. More than anything else the BCI and the SC have to put in effort in appointment of better VCs instead of the blundering buffoons like Lakshminath at CNLU, Venkat Rao at NLSIU, Ishwar Bhat at NUJS and Poonam ben at NLIUJ

Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO.
Guest 22 Apr 2014, 05:19
+3 -7
Do not put GNLU in the same bracket. Their recruitment scene is far better. They just dont publicize it.

Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO.[/quote]
Shuklaji 22 Apr 2014, 06:24
+1 -3
"Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO."

Really? That is your brightest idea? So that we may continue to get these reports of bleak hiring in subsequent years too?
Guest 22 Apr 2014, 10:21
+2 -0
[quote name="Shuklaji"]"Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO."

Really? That is your brightest idea? So that we may continue to get these reports of bleak hiring in subsequent years too?[/quote]

@Shuklaji

It is not only the brightest idea but also the only idea as far as advising CLAT aspirants is concerned. Surely they cant be expected to wait 4-5 years for the administration to be improved, neither can they be expected to join these colleges with the aim of turning things around.
Shuklaji 22 Apr 2014, 12:15
+3 -2
Very bright indeed! No one is asking them to wait 4-5 years so that the administration may improve. Once you ask them not to join a particular law school, its only creating a vicious cycle wherein students are not joining them because the admin is bad, the reputation suffers which means an inability to attract top talent in the form of students as well as administration. Only solution being a revamp of the current administration and necessary measures, rather than wholly excluding a law school and christening it as a "last option" within the student community.
Guest 22 Apr 2014, 12:41
+3 -0
[quote name="Shuklaji"]Very bright indeed! No one is asking them to wait 4-5 years so that the administration may improve. Once you ask them not to join a particular law school, its only creating a vicious cycle wherein students are not joining them because the admin is bad, the reputation suffers which means an inability to attract top talent in the form of students as well as administration. Only solution being a revamp of the current administration and necessary measures, rather than wholly excluding a law school and christening it as a "last option" within the student community.[/quote]

@Dear Shucklaji, I am advising them against joining an "NLU" where after paying 6-8 lakhs fees over 5 years there may be no job at all. How is this objectionable?

Your solution of "revamp of the current administration and necessary measures" is like general policy gas which aspirants cannot help. Plus your solution is for the powers-that-be, my advise is for the poor aspirant.
NLUO, Cuttack 23 Apr 2014, 16:36
+1 -1
[quote name="Shuklaji"]"Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO."

Really? That is your brightest idea? So that we may continue to get these reports of bleak hiring in subsequent years too?[/quote]

Actually, what do you want to convey?
NLUO, Cuttack 22 Apr 2014, 10:57
+1 -2
[quote name="Guest"]

Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO.[/quote]

The issue is related to CNLU, Patna. Why to bring the names of other NLUs and generalise? Have you even been to any of these NLUs named by you? Have you checked the resources in NLUO, Cuttack? Surely you haven't. So, do not include NLUO's name in the list.

Their compliant is about faculty members and quality of library resources.

Come to NLUO's library once and then speak. Else, check our home page http://www.nluo.ac.in to know what resources we have in our library. You may also check the news section to know our achievements. NLUO cannot and should not be included the list you have given. Not that we have nothing more to achieve. While we are mindful of our long journey but then you stop generalising. Such generalisation is a disservice to the CLAT aspirants.
Alumni from some NLU 22 Apr 2014, 13:38
+0 -0
What do you mean to say? NLUO is doing well!! Sounds very different and surprising as against what I have heard from other quarters!
NLUO, Cuttack student 22 Apr 2014, 17:10
+1 -0
@ Alumni from some NLUO: Why these provocations Dude. I don't know who your sources are; but I am pretty sure that your law school education would have taught you to apply your mind a bit. Go by facts, and not perceptions. The university website and MPL table may help you in this regard.
Alumni from some NLU 23 Apr 2014, 06:47
+0 -0
That's precisely what my sources are! :D
NLUO, Cuttack 23 Apr 2014, 16:31
+0 -0
[quote name="Alumni from some NLU"]That's precisely what my sources are! :D[/quote]

oh dude you gotta learn to interpret the facts correctly then.

On a serious note, have you really checked the info on website?
Guest 25 Apr 2014, 08:16
+2 -0
[quote name="NLUO, Cuttack"][quote name="Guest"]

Lesson to be learnt for CLAT aspirants is to stay away from these second rung colleges like CNLU, GNLU, HNLU, NLIU-B and NLUO.[/quote]

The issue is related to CNLU, Patna. Why to bring the names of other NLUs and generalise? Have you even been to any of these NLUs named by you? Have you checked the resources in NLUO, Cuttack? Surely you haven't. So, do not include NLUO's name in the list.

Their compliant is about faculty members and quality of library resources.

Come to NLUO's library once and then speak. Else, check our home page http://www.nluo.ac.in to know what resources we have in our library. You may also check the news section to know our achievements. NLUO cannot and should not be included the list you have given. Not that we have nothing more to achieve. While we are mindful of our long journey but then you stop generalising. Such generalisation is a disservice to the CLAT aspirants.[/quote]

A generalisation is warranted only if the subject matter is similar. In this case all the law schools mentioned, like CNLU, GNLU, NLIU-Bhopal, NLU Orissa, HNLU are all struggling to draw students, have no faculty worth mentioning, are situated in some pathetic locations where law firms have no offices nor any business is conducted and leaving aside a large building on campus have no accomplishments to speak of. The placement scene is dismal and the quality of the alumni very suspect. Hence the generalisation
Old NLS guy 22 Apr 2014, 11:39
+0 -5
I think Venkat Rao's been pretty good for NLS, as a whole. I mean, the Sid Chauhan fiasco was absurd, but otherwise, the improvements in the college have been dramatic.
GP 22 Apr 2014, 12:47
+5 -1
[quote name="Old NLS guy"]I think Venkat Rao's been pretty good for NLS, as a whole. I mean, the Sid Chauhan fiasco was absurd, but otherwise, the improvements in the college have been dramatic.[/quote]

Every single faculty who was half-decent has left within a short time of joining. Parents of students get crass and insensitive "reminders" of the consequences of their wards staying out after 7 pm. Student discipline is the pits and teachers are being targeted time and again with no consequences. Those who fail in exams get magic pass marks from venkat uncle despite opposition from the prof. All kinds of frivolous exemptions and waivers are being granted with no transparency. Bizarre courses like an MPP are being introduced with no faculty even after the MBL became a joke. The only interest this twit has is his self-interest in falling over for the BCI bunch who gave him his precious second term.

Ya right, he's "pretty good" for NLS.
blloood 21 Apr 2014, 15:01
+4 -0
Well If mindcrest reads this they may also not recruit. What horrible publicity for them that students paid them to come down! I feel for these kids.
John Snow 21 Apr 2014, 16:26
+3 -1
A general practice around the universities, is "when students repeatedly fail they are detained, until they are ousted." On a similar analogy if administrators year after year constantly fail to deliver the minimum level of standard expected in a law school such as trained faculty, industrial collaborations for skill enhancements (internships) & ultimately providing to the firms, a person suitable to fit the needs of legal profession. Anyhoo, these fee sucking, ugc grant exploitators cum cynical losers in charge have failed the test of time & should either resign or accept the blame & work on their administrative failures.
Cnlu Student 21 Apr 2014, 16:43
+4 -3
Sir just tell me one thing that I'm very respectfully arguing that though you blame us for not being as skilled or very good: the inference I draw from "try & up your skills so that you make a compelling case in your interview" Sir in such an underprivileged institute we the student of CNLU are still trying to strive and survive, for eg: stetson moot finalist in national round in which we were defeated by NLSIU(The premiere Law school of India) and had defeated many good NLU(if you judge NLU on the basis of their establishment) Sir tell me one thing are we less talented then any other NLU are we lesser than anyone what we lack is people who want to see us strive. Sir in order to get into this institute we have to score more than 97% students who give CLAT and after getting admission into this institute we see private institutions are better at providing placement "what are we fools or what?" Sir when we are better we deserve better so we can do better.
WR 21 Apr 2014, 17:35
+0 -0
The placement committee should explore the internship opportunity for their students in Law firms/ Corporate Houses so everyone will aware of the college and students. Once PPL start liking the crowd, then no one can stop you to get good law firms either in Delhi or Mumbai...
kraken 21 Apr 2014, 18:04
+9 -2
[quote name="Cnlu Student"]Sir just tell me one thing that I'm very respectfully arguing that though you blame us for not being as skilled or very good: the inference I draw from "try & up your skills so that you make a compelling case in your interview" Sir in such an underprivileged institute we the student of CNLU are still trying to strive and survive, for eg: stetson moot finalist in national round in which we were defeated by NLSIU(The premiere Law school of India) and had defeated many good NLU(if you judge NLU on the basis of their establishment) Sir tell me one thing are we less talented then any other NLU are we lesser than anyone what we lack is people who want to see us strive. Sir in order to get into this institute we have to score more than 97% students who give CLAT and after getting admission into this institute we see private institutions are better at providing placement "what are we fools or what?" Sir when we are better we deserve better so we can do better.[/quote]

Ok. I think I know why the recruitment is slow there.
Shame!!! 21 Apr 2014, 18:32
+1 -0
[quote name="Cnlu Student"]Sir just tell me one thing that I'm very respectfully arguing that though you blame us for not being as skilled or very good: the inference I draw from "try & up your skills so that you make a compelling case in your interview" Sir in such an underprivileged institute we the student of CNLU are still trying to strive and survive, for eg: stetson moot finalist in national round in which we were defeated by NLSIU(The premiere Law school of India) and had defeated many good NLU(if you judge NLU on the basis of their establishment) Sir tell me one thing are we less talented then any other NLU are we lesser than anyone what we lack is people who want to see us strive. Sir in order to get into this institute we have to score more than 97% students who give CLAT and after getting admission into this institute we see private institutions are better at providing placement "what are we fools or what?" Sir when we are better we deserve better so we can do better.[/quote]

Very well said!!! Really feel for these students! This is not GLC where students can score on the basis of internships. These guys atleast deserve a fair interview. Shame on the VC...
Pain Killers 21 Apr 2014, 17:46
+1 -1
Mr. Partner, in 2009 their was no concept of law school recruitments, really, like really? Okay, 30 years back there were no NLU's, yes, or no? 70 years back we could not write our own laws, could we? How retrogade, unprogressive, naive can this set of psychology go. Step in shoes of passing out students, how will they secure a law firm job, when getting an internship at first place was not easy as walk in the park. Is a million rupee of their parents well spent? Does the cons outweigh the pros? The least institute can do is to organise Conferences on corp law, trade laws, industrial laws, organise moots, provide a common ground for legal industry to interact with students of cnlu. They (VC, registrar, faculty) won't, because what benefits will accrue to them, unlike for floating tenders for chilling their(faculty) rooms where they molest students (widely reported on legal blogs).Cnlu needs a revamp, they don't know where they are going but they are surely leading their students in deep ****.
Sad Truth 22 Apr 2014, 06:02
+1 -1
Its the fate of all newer law schools. Recruiters would not want to come to Patna, Lucknow or Patiala. Most have a misconceived notion that if you are studying in that law school, you are from that city! They prefer hiring students from local colleges located in that city. Since Patna, Lucknow, Patiala do not have a great number of law firms. It becomes extremely difficult for the students to secure a job in a different town where no one has even heard of your so-called National Law University
Rainman 22 Apr 2014, 09:04
+1 -2
Hah! Keep Lucknow out of that bracket, brother. From what I understand, RML Lucknow's doing far better than Patna and Patiala. Firms do come to Lucknow and recruitment does take place.
Sunman 22 Apr 2014, 09:31
+4 -1
Ya right! LPOs plus some more LPOs.
Litigating lawyer 22 Apr 2014, 06:53
+2 -1
It is sad that a measure of the success of a law school seems to be how many students are placed with corporate firms. Lawyers are supposed to be trained to litigate and so far not one student seems to have asked how to improve their prospects in this field. Everyone seems to be chasing a limited number of law firm jobs which will obviously go to the students from higher tier schools. A law firm job while possibly exciting is still a "job" and is not all there is to being a lawyer and is certainly not the way to judge whether a law school is successful or not.
Scooters-S 22 Apr 2014, 08:17
+3 -2
Freedom of Choice, Mister?
Sad Truth 22 Apr 2014, 11:13
+1 -1
Agree with Litigating Lawyer. All students look for is a fast paying "job". The whole meaning of a lawyer fails in a corp firm.. Its drafting work at the end of the day or being a briefing counsel. If freedom of choice is all that matters then how does it matter if its an LPO. ultimately, they are getting placed.
Old NLS guy 22 Apr 2014, 11:41
+2 -0
It's okay though, cause so many of them get pissed off, bitter, tired or just wake up and quit. Then a lot of them come and litigate. Even if they spend five years in a firm, it's not like they can't start lit and do well. And they also learn important things like how to send a presentable email and wear a tie.
Sad Truth 23 Apr 2014, 05:36
+0 -0
Sarcasm much? :) At the age of 23, if you don't know how to send a presentable e-mail or wear a tie then schooling/college all a big fail! The question one must ask is whether he studied 5 years of law to do a job hes doing?
Scooters-S 23 Apr 2014, 10:50
+1 -0
Which my dear Old NLS Guy, is worth 13k/hour :-)
Observer 22 Apr 2014, 09:49
+4 -0
The entire blame for ruining this law school lies with VC Lakshminath. He should be thrown out immediately. He has failed year after year not only in placing his students but he has failed in giving them good education, hiring good faculties, creating an extremely poor and uninspiring environment. I know many good faculties who joined CNLU and left within a year. Despite not placing even one batch, he increases batch size from 80 to 140 just to get more revenue. But what he does, he offers faculty positions for 25000 and 35000 consolidated salaries. He gives no support to students to get a placement brochure printed. He must be replaced with a young, vibrant VC to bring life back to CNLU.
DSNLUite 22 Apr 2014, 10:50
+0 -0
Hey come on ,DSNLU is also far better.Zero day placement = Zero
LLM= 0
Alias 22 Apr 2014, 12:21
+3 -3
Why is the standard of grammer and knowledge of English so bad in so many comments?
Anyone 22 Apr 2014, 13:46
+12 -1
Grammar! :D
d 22 Apr 2014, 17:56
+0 -2
Dude that's probably an intentional vowel reduction...sarcastic even...

Yes, Alias?
Anyone 25 Apr 2014, 09:04
+1 -0
I get it dude. Chill! :D
R.I.P Engleeeesssh 6 May 2014, 05:47
+0 -0
uh realiiiiizzzeee it shuuuuud b "grammar" riiiiiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhttttt?

(No, I do not type like disssss normmaaallllyy)
suggestion 22 Apr 2014, 12:58
+4 -0
A small suggestion to those in these colleges- get your articles published in journals. May help towards recruitment!
alumni 22 Apr 2014, 13:06
+1 -3
Being a pass out from the same college I can totally relate to the plight of the students, although I also partly agree to the counter view put forth in this article to the extent of its outlook on recruitment and placement. From my experience in the college I can say with strong conviction th
Asaram 24 Apr 2014, 03:33
+0 -0
Arre macha, you'll get jobs by the end of the 5th year. Chill maar.
Ex noojie 25 Apr 2014, 19:28
+1 -0
While admin support is extremely important, just a word of advice to future batches at CNLU. Most campus recruitment committees in law schools are student managed. The work needs to start from the very beginning, i.e. For law firm placements easily 3rd year onwards. Students in other law schools often contribute and fund the publication of a brochure highlighting the college's achievements, those of its alumni etc. The recruitment committee has to relentlessly pursue recruiters .... Remember they get calls from 1000s of students / colleges ..... One really has to convince them to come down for recruitment, and the first step towards that is convincing them to take interns from the college. Of course whatever admin support is needed for this such as proper internship periods etc (a 4-6 week pd is sufficient)has to be provided by the college. It is easy to blame the admin but are the students taking sufficient measures also?
Mooter 26 Apr 2014, 01:15
+4 -0
After reading this article, I called up my younger bro and asking him to focus on engineering exams rather than law schools and blah blah. The truth is that except the top three, rest of the law schools fail to justify the educational investment. And don't give me the crap about trying on own and litigation et al. After I finished my law degree from a new NLU, I did get into all the top LLM programs and bagged three awesome fellowships (one of which I am still pursuing) but did not get a single job interview, forget an offer. No one reads CVs in India or give a damn about my moot court runners up trophy. And sorry, I can not work in a law office with a cow sitting on porch. I am better than that. Half of law firm jobs are taken care by uncles and dads while rest are reserved for top three. That's the truth. In the long run merit finds its place, but the road is tough, long and very sad. Just like this story. But as Hart says in Paper chase, "I fear no evil, 'coz the law is with me". Don't lose heart. Never.