Day Zeros: Demand from Amarchands divided offsets drop in 2017 recruitments from others [via Mint]

Graphic via Mint
Graphic via Mint

Both sides of the now divided Amarchand Mangaldas family have considerably increased their recruitments for 2017 from top law schools, as have many top firms, with some already filling up their quota of recruits from law schools.

Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas has already hired a record 61 students to begin working as lawyers in 2017. Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas has hired 32 students. Trilegal has hired 30 and Khaitan & Co. has finished its 2017 law school recruitments with a tally of 29 as of 7 April.

The recruitment calendar has also accelerated even further this year compared to last year, as published in Mint on 7 April 2015, with several major law firms – such as Khaitan & Co and AZB & Partners - having substantially finished their recruitments for 2017 already, according to each firm.

So much so that despite some large firms such as J Sagar Associates (JSA) yet to begin hiring aggressively this year, intending to draw most of its 2017 entrants from future internships at the firm, younger national law schools that have not held their Day Zero face the prospect of the largest recruiters giving their campuses a miss.

That would pretty much put paid to graduates’ hopes of high-paying jobs.

It also gives a good indication of law firm strategies, as on 18 April 2015 (one week later than this year’s figures) nearly every firm’s figures were very different.

Most notably, the two sides of the erstwhile Amarchand Mangaldas legal empire, which was India’s largest law firm until they it broke in two nearly a year ago, both separately considerably ramped up recruitments, significantly exceeding previous aggregate totals from 65 to 93 students…

To find out what Amarchands are doing and why Khaitan has reduced its recruitments this year, read today’s Legally India feature on Livemint now.

2017 batch Day Zero recruitments across top firms

Recruiter / CollegeNLSIU, BangaloreNALSAR, HyderabadNUJS, KolkataNLU, JodhpurGNLU, GandhinagarNLIU, BhopalNLU, DelhiGLC, MumbaiJGLS SonepatHNLUTotal as at 8 April 2016 (updated)Day Zero totals as at 18/4/2015
Cyril Amarchand8688108586146
Shardul Amarchand91062323219
Trilegal3475251123026
Khaitan42843532944
Luthra & Luthra2510622534
AZB & Partners3331 (offer)1 (offer)9 to 1116
Talwar Thakore & Associates11132
J Sagar Associates113
Totals303043251818142100191190

(2015’s Day Zero figures are from here and here.)

Update: Since first gathering the data, Luthra has recruited another student from NLU Jodhpur via Day Zero interviews

Comments

Grammar Nazi 12 Apr 2016, 05:55
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Lots of typos in this piece, Kian. Could have done with some proofreading.
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 06:00
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Thanks, just looked through again and found one or two - had posted the unedited version of the article by accident, edited version is live on Mint...
For Example 12 Apr 2016, 08:27
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There's one right in the title - It should be Days Zero, not Day Zeros :-)
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 08:34
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Well well, that's a controversial suggestion that I hadn't even considered, though I assume Grammar Nazi might agree with you.

I'm not 100% on this, but we've always treated Day Zero as a proper noun (hence capitalised, perhaps erroneously).

On the one hand we have one attorney general - two attorneys general.

On the other, as in Day Zeros I would argue, we have one Diet Coke, two Diet Cokes (rather than Diets Coke :)

I am actually not sure about what the rule is though - is there a friendly Grammar Nazi who can help?
Did Nazi See It Coming 12 Apr 2016, 09:46
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Isolate the noun and the adjective. In "Diet Coke", Diet is the adjective. So, Diet Cokes.

In "Attorney General", they are Attorneys. "General" is an adjective. Hence, Attorneys General. Also, Mothers in Law.

Going by this, it should be Days Zero.

Lastly, https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/2dmirb/sir_were_mining_too_many_useless_minerals/
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 10:05
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Hah, brilliant joke.

But, in that case is it two Drs Pepper or two Dr Peppers? Or, staying on the fast food theme, two Chickens McNugget or two Chicken McNuggets?
For Example 12 Apr 2016, 15:20
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Well,I don't think it's a proper noun. That's why, like "fathers-in-law", it needs to be "Days Zero" :-)
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 15:24
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I agree, it's probably definitely not a proper noun. Yet somehow we've ended up making it one. Aah, what a grammar mess!

(Ps: That Reddit joke is brilliant by the way, have shared it with all my friends and now they think I'm a really funny person :)
2 cents 17 Apr 2016, 06:28
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I don't understand why some of us are so stuck up with grammar, rather than the story! You want news, or a memo?
For Example 18 Apr 2016, 11:22
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Let me ask you a question. Which newspaper do you respect more for their quality of editing - The Hindu or Times of India?
Yo 12 Apr 2016, 06:28
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very good assesment, Kian. You are doing a fantastic job in keeping up with the developments in the industry
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 13:59
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Thank you, glad it's interesting :)
NUJS Alumnus 12 Apr 2016, 07:21
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Well done NUJS!
Flotsam 12 Apr 2016, 08:19
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7 Trilegal acceptances at NUJS! Gotta give it to Karan Singh's pitch.
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 08:20
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Heh, what did he say?
Pewds 12 Apr 2016, 08:38
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How is NUJS so much ahead?
Change with the Times 12 Apr 2016, 08:54
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2017 batch Day Zero recruitments across top firms - very confusing heading to a table with 2015 stats.
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 08:55
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The table has stats from the 2017 batch, as at April 2016 and April 2015. Technically accurate, but yes, a few too many numbers perhaps...
Unassuming 12 Apr 2016, 09:02
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Well, being a critique as I am-but I am really really proud of my alma matter. Go NUJS!
Yo 12 Apr 2016, 10:12
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Howz the coffee bro? Especially in our batch mug?
Unassuming 12 Apr 2016, 10:49
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Haha!The coffee smells even nicer today.
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 14:05
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Agree, NUJS has done great already. On that note, by the way, where are all the NUJSers saying:

1. our figures are wrong,
2. that it's unethical of us to publish these,
3. that no one needs to know these figures, and
4. that I am an evil person who runs a tawdry gossip rag?

Number 4 may of course remain true, but seriously, if someone from the NUJS RCC would like to reach out and confirm some fuller figures with us, as an olive branch if you will, we'll be happy to publicly apologise for our earlier NUJS headline (and we (nearly?) never apologise for our headlines).
Lovedtheredditjoketoo 12 Apr 2016, 16:57
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1. At the outset, the figures published by LI about NUJS's recruitment are still wrong.
2. I don't think it was unethical for LI to publish the figures. This is how the journalism works. We get it. What is unethical was the tone and tenor of the article.
3. People need to know the figures and I'm sure that the NUJS RCC will publish them at the end of the academic year.
4. You aren't evil. You were doing your job, but it was done in a shoddy manner.
iRamanuj 12 Apr 2016, 12:53
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Ramanuj Mukherjee's recruitment firm is doing well :)
Inflation! 12 Apr 2016, 13:58
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How I wish the NALSAR figures were true!
Agreed 12 Apr 2016, 14:07
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The figures are inflated. Wonder why!
kianganz 12 Apr 2016, 14:09
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What's wrong with Nalsar figures? Please let us know specifics. Each of these came from law firms directly, but a few like S&R and others may be missing of course...
alias 12 Apr 2016, 14:54
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really hope NALSAR had such great figures! NALSAR has at least on paper fared better!
Deflation 12 Apr 2016, 16:14
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The figures are true.
Noojie 12 Apr 2016, 14:00
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Noojies have won this round - whether you like them or not!
Yah!
Fact-check 12 Apr 2016, 16:12
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Remember that NUJS has a 120 member batch compared to 80-member batches of NLS or NALSAR. So while making any such comparisons, like saying noojie 'won the round', remember that having a much larger batch it is but obvious that in absolute numbers they will have more offers. But in proportion to batch size, NLS and NALSAR figures are probably better.
Another Noojie 12 Apr 2016, 17:03
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IF you really want to compare see how many people actually sit for placements rather than the batch size.
Fact-check 13 Apr 2016, 06:40
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Please reveal the no. of people sitting for noojie placements
NUJS 17 Apr 2016, 07:37
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Around 70 as per my knowledge
Facts checked 13 Apr 2016, 16:42
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India has a population of one billion. How many medals do we win in the Olympics? A tad oversimplified, your absolute number theory.Firms have a wide variety of law schools and students to choose from. It is not the love of Kolkata that makes them consistently hire close to double digits from NUJS.
GLC 12 Apr 2016, 14:45
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Sad to see GLC.
Anonn 13 Apr 2016, 01:40
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Certainly not us. These students never attend class and inter for 5 years. They cheat and get an unfair advantage. The BCI should take action.
Concerned reader 12 Apr 2016, 17:46
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@Fact-Check
Please,fist check your logic and then we can probably talk about the facts.

Firms don't hire based on the size of the batch. They purely look for the better students.
Fact-check 13 Apr 2016, 07:17
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Arre..no need to be so defensive..no one is questioning the brilliance and merit of the NUJS students. I was merely saying that while comparing the same to other similarly placed colleges, the fact of larger batch size should be kept in mind. Also, a larger batch may also mean larger number of good candidates and correspondingly larger no. of not-so-good candidates. So while congratulating NUJS, remember that they probably still have a longer way to go before achieving 100% placements, compared to NALSAR or NUJS.
Oh CameAll Ye Faithful 12 Apr 2016, 18:02
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Cam recruited 61? Is this the Ashwath and team replacement strategy.
NLU Jodhpur figure. 12 Apr 2016, 21:41
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Kian, Trilegal has recruited two more students from NLU Jodhpur's batch of 2017, taking their total to 7. Please update the total to reflect this.
NLU Jodhpur figure. 12 Apr 2016, 21:53
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Also, NLU Jodhpur had one PPO from LKS and two day zero placements from Majmudar and Partners.
WAS 14 Apr 2016, 06:13
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Hi Kian, what about the salary figures?
Jindalite 14 Apr 2016, 17:17
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Just FYI, SAM and Khaitan & Co. are due to visit JGLS Campus for Day Zero recruitment soon. So, we are not done yet.
Sorry Jindal. 14 Apr 2016, 21:53
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Read Amar Singhji's (Khaitan HR head) interview on Mint, bro. KCO is done hiring for 2017. Sorry for breaking this to you.
Little Birdie 15 Apr 2016, 08:08
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Kian, apart from the 3 during Day Zero, AZB Delhi has given two PPOs to two NUJS students. Incidentally, both are IDIA scholars, which is pretty good.
Heard this. 15 Apr 2016, 15:50
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Fact is that few students in NALSAR rejected Luthra & Luthra on Day Zero which is a preferred destinaton for NUJS and NLU-J students. Another interesting fact is that few students in NALSAR did not even sit for Luthra's PPO interview. Few students are not interested to enter these firms which have recruited many people from NUJS. Moreover, NALSAR and NLS students also do lot of other study things apart from a la firm job. This might be also a reason for noojie's little better performance. NLS and NALSAR are better places to join any day.
Guest 17 Apr 2016, 07:36
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Kuch bhi matlab
I have a question 18 Apr 2016, 11:39
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Kian, why no mention in this article of the salary numbers for any of the firms? Why only stating number of offers?
kianganz 18 Apr 2016, 11:53
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We haven't received any information that these have changed yet this year, so our latest figures are still up to date as far as I know - RCCs, is that correct?
http://www.legallyindia.com/tag/salaries
http://www.legallyindia.com/Law-firms/shardul-amarchand-confirms-new-fresher-pay-of-record-rs-15-16-lakh-flat-does-away-with-a0-bonuseshttp://www.legallyindia.com/Law-firms/trilegal-boosts-salary-to-13-lakh
http://www.legallyindia.com/Law-firms/salary-war-brews-among-top-law-firms-update-amarchand-delhi-may-hike-to-up-to-flat-rs-15-lakh
I have a question 18 Apr 2016, 12:20
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Thanks Kian. Just to be clear, I'm not part of any RCC, and nor was I criticising your reportage :-) I was just asking for a clarification. I essentially have the same question as you do - are all the firms sticking with their starting salary numbers from last year? Or have any or all of them revised their numbers? Thanks :-)
kianganz 18 Apr 2016, 12:23
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Thanks, no offence taken, and interest always appreciated :)

As far as I know, salaries are basically the same, but I haven't actively asked yet this year (as normally we sort of hear about it pretty quickly if a firm has hiked it).

Also, firms usually hike only every 2 years or so, going by past behaviour.
I have a question 18 Apr 2016, 12:49
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Understood. Fair points. Now let's see if any of the RCCs either confirm the above or respond with accurate info. Thanks Kian :-)
Jhol 11 Jul 2016, 18:51
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CAM gives differential salary on the basis of the location preference. GNLU chaps are getting placed at CAm's ahmedabad office for a package of about 8. Not sure though. Could anyone clarify.