DSNLU Acad Council to decide fate of 81 detained students, who’ve been protesting a week over confusion of discretionary 4th re-test

DSNLU students protest
DSNLU students protest

On Saturday, 29 July, DSNLU Vishakhapatnam is set to discuss the future of 81 of its detained students, who are protesting and living in makeshift accommodations outside its gates for one full week now.

The protesting students, now allegedly joined by non-detained students of the law school as well, number over 100 and are demanding:

  • A retest of semester exams for 81 detained students.
  • A written copy of exam rule amendments based on which they were denied this retest.

The protest began on Friday 18 July, as ANI had first reported.

Inked rule

According to DSNLU’s examination rules, students failing semester exams are given only three re-attempt opportunities: one in the immediately successive semester with their own batch, one in the semester after that with the junior batch, and one attempt two semesters after the semester in which they failed (as part of the repeat exam for the junior batch).

Students failing all three of these successive attempts are not to be promoted to the next year.

For example, students who failed the May 2016 even semester end exam were given their first repeat attempt chance in July 2016, their second in January 2017 and their third and final in July 2017. Students who failed the November 2015 odd semester exam were given their first repeat opportunity in January 2016, their second in July 2016 and their third and final in January 2017.

Discretionary rule

However, DSNLU vice chancellor (VC) Prof Kesava Rao exercised his discretion last year and on 17 July 2017 allowed a fourth attempt at clearing their paper for November 2015 semester detainees, together with the retest for the May 2016 semester detainees.

Therefore, the May 2016 even semester detainees had also won a fourth re-test in January 2018.

Under this special discretionary rule going forward the students, who had failed the November 2016 end semester exams were also expecting a fourth retest to be scheduled in July 2018 alongside the re-exam for the students who had failed the May 2017 even semester.

Challenge to discretionary rule

However, after some students failed at the special fourth re-attempt in July 2017, they challenged the exam itself in the high court as being against the written rules.

The high court ordered DSNLU to not exercise any discretion to deviate from the rules without putting an amendment in place approved by the academic council, Rao told us.

Complying with this high court order, Rao alleged that DSNLU had informed its students in January 2018 that there would be no special re-test in July 2018 for the students who had failed the November 2016 exams since the three re-test attempt opportunities provided under the written rules had already passed for them, and to allow for an additional exam like last year, the rules would first have to be amended with approval from the academic council.

Detention

Therefore, this month while the students who had failed the May 2017 semester were allowed to take their re-exam, no such exam was held for the students who had failed the November 2016 semester.

The students who had first failed in the November 2016 semester ended up being permanently detained and are protesting this allegedly “confusing and unclear” change in rules for which they are demanding a hard copy of the “written amendment”.

They are living in makeshift accommodations outside campus, including tents, tarps and an apartment temporarily rented by a few female students with funds donated by other DSNLU students.

According to Rao, detained students can occupy hostels only after taking re-admission to their course at DSNLU and these students have not yet taken such re-admission.

Comments

Ganjuwala 26 Jul 2018, 08:40
+11 -2
joining places like this hellhole instead of cal uni, glc, christ university and amity, and you are bound to get this.
Support Dsnlu 26 Jul 2018, 15:48
+3 -13
Hi, just in case you do don't know, this is DAMODARAM SANJIVAYYA NATIONAL LAW UNIVERSITY you're talking about. I agree that the Universities that you've mentioned are great, but that does not give you the right to call a NATIONAL LAW UNIVERSITY a shithole. This is social media and you should be really aware what you're speaking about. Commenting about something without doing the full research is what is called stupidity and I'm sorry to say you've listed yourself in that category. Coming to the University's part, there are always problems in every University and we as students are trying to resolve those problems. Please do your research before you talk about something so grave. And yes,this article does not cover the whole truth.Please try to understand the plight of students who're sitting outside the University campus for 7 days now. Had it been nothing, the whole universty students would've never supported their cause.For more info, visit our official page, Voice of DSNLU on Facebook as well as on Instagram
Ganjuwala 28 Jul 2018, 11:37
+10 -0
You're talking like your college is NLSIU. Merely having an NLU tag which of late means squat seeing institutions like yours doesn't mean a college becomes good.

Earn the NLU tag. :)
Ganjuwala 28 Jul 2018, 11:39
+6 -3
Come to my law firm and introduce yourself as a student from "DSNLU", people will laugh.
Support Dsnlu 26 Jul 2018, 15:55
+0 -7
This is a NATIONAL LAW UNIVERSITY you're talking about Sir. I don't know how much you know but it takes students on the basis of CLAT scores only and is one of the developing NATIONAL LAW UNIVERSITIES. Just because there are some problems in the administration of this universty does not mean that it is a shithole. We could also have done nothing. But we decided to take responsibility of the wrongs that have been going on in this universty. Please do some research before commenting such things. That will be really appreciated. For more information, visit our official Facebook page, VOICE OF DSNLU.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 09:07
+20 -2
They got 3 chance for re-tests and even then 81 students failed to clear their papers. Awesome!
Meeristan 28 Jul 2018, 18:33
+1 -0
What a sad policy. Whyy students should have to pass papers??? Is it required under Article 21 of Constitution ????

DNLU should take example of premier NLUs like NUJS where passing in exam is no longer needed and detaining is done away with. None of this possible without grace of hon'ble Justice Sir Taluqdar. He has shown the so-called intellegentsia like Mohan Gopal, NL Mitra how to make grand improvement (holistic) to NLUS.
Guest 29 Jul 2018, 07:47
+2 -0
@Meeristan: It's all part of safeguarding right to education, see?
#savedsnlu 26 Jul 2018, 09:11
+56 -2
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Uncomfortable thought 26 Jul 2018, 11:10
+11 -13
Lol, and the students are protesting against the Examination policy only. Legal Education doesn't suffer only because of bad faculty or poor institutions, but also because of students setting up wrong priorities for themselves.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 11:37
+4 -4
Yes, priorities of students are their personal matter and other people including teachers should stop poking their nose in such things.
The only thing that is expected here is that a student investing more than 12 lakh for a ballb course gets a decent teacher to teach them. Nothing more nothing less.
And if 81 students are flunking in the exam this actually smells fishy.81 is a huge.
Uncomfortable thought 27 Jul 2018, 10:38
+3 -0
Yeah, that furthers my point. If there are teachers who are not 'decent', then why wouldnt these students protest against that. It seems that they are fine with whatever teacher they have as far as they are getting marks.

And this is where 'priorities' are important.
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 10:53
+0 -0
There were a number of representations that were made for faculty change. None were ever acted upon.
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 06:25
+4 -3
Kian, these are VERY serious allegations. If true, you must do a report. If not, you must withdraw.
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 07:26
+1 -2
Somebody needs to do an RTI here.
sunita.B.v.s 28 Jul 2018, 07:43
+1 -21
how dare you made such a derogatory comments on faculty members? with what evidence you made these nasty comments? 100% this comment is not made by our students i bet. and i know who you are. cbi enquiry is not at all going on against our faculty, may be against you. i know who are there behind you. if you have guts come out. i know how you got this information about faculty. i know your blackmailing of our faculty previously. i wont leave you. ready to face the charges.
#savedsnlu 28 Jul 2018, 08:10
+0 -11
Mr/Ms. Whatever you have spoken regarding professors and giving opportunity to students is baseless and all the acquisitions are not true either. Regarding the matter of providing opportunity to student, the norms are clear and providing 4th opportunity to students was not prohibited untill this year. As the constitution speaks and lays down, no provision shall be given any back date effect. When 4th attempt to was given to even semesters, why not extend the same benefit to odd semesters!!? This would not be correct on part of campus and on part of the organisation too.

Regarding the matter of Professors:-
All the acquisitions that you have pointed out, they have no basis and have no value. When any student had any problem with the professors regarding their way of teaching or command over the topic, students have stood up and questioned them and there was change in faculty too. Students should have no influence in the personal matters of the professors, their relation should be strictly of student and teacher. Regarding the mal-administration that has been going in the university has been reported and is being taken care of too. Professors who have worked in other areas doesn't mean that they have no knowledge over the topic that they are teaching. Students have never had issues with the faculty personallu. The matter of dispute is that, mal-administration and not the character of the professors.

The comments which you are making would only side-track the issue. Expressing what you feel is not a problem but think of all the efforts and the problems students are facing those who are waiting and fighinting for justice. There are many a students in the campus those who have struggled in the beginning and then later picked the pace. This is a second opportunity for them. This will change their mindset towards studies. University in these high times should provide for moral strength and should help students. Failing bulk of students would not improve the standards of varsity. Making the students realize as to how important studies are, will only make the condition correct. You never know what talent a student has. Give the final choice that they are asking and then see the result.

All we are asking for, is an opportunity to make right what we have wronged. Nothing else to speak about. It is fine if you don't want to support the moment but we are fighting for a good cause. So please stop all these false acquisitions and cut some slack towards students.
Woah 29 Jul 2018, 09:14
+2 -0
This is epic - a totally censored comment has 43 likes.
Be Desi 26 Jul 2018, 09:41
+12 -2
How dumb can you be to fail 4 times man. Drive a UBER. Respectable work & income too.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 09:57
+31 -1
Your comment is outright offensive to the hard working UBER drivers.
Nonymous 26 Jul 2018, 17:12
+2 -0
Hi, let me tell you not all people who who fail drive Uber. A lot of engineers do that as a part time job, it's called supporting yourself. And people don't always fail because of their fault, it could be anybody's. Please don't just sit around and mock someone when you don't know what the situation is. I dare you to sit one day in rain without food and bathrooms. You'll quit in one day. We aren't.so stop shitting around. And keep kissing your teacher's ass
AltLaw 26 Jul 2018, 17:23
+1 -0
How arrogant a person can be to pass disrespectful comments for people standing against something wrong? This protest is not just about detention, these people were detained wrongfully, they were not informed. Try researching. More information and you will also sound logical on internet.
watch video 26 Jul 2018, 12:04
+16 -0
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=524027108038331&id=348232545617789&__tn__=C-R

This is a video on the voicd of dsnlu facebook page.

Look at the way the dean examination is fighting with students that too when the same is being recorded and infront of parents and public. Now imagine what she is capable of doing when no one is around. She is frustrated as hell.
Admin is correct 26 Jul 2018, 14:58
+4 -8
These are rubbish demands by rubbish students. As has been pointed out you have to be very bad student to fail so many times. Full marks to administration for being strict and maintaining discipline. DSNLU cannot lower standards. Also complaint about faculty is rubbish. The students will fail with best faculty also. I request media to give fair coverage with views of administration instead of views of rubbish students.
ur rubbish 26 Jul 2018, 15:24
+13 -0
When was the last time we heard about 80 students being detained in a college in India. 10 to 20 students being detained still sounds possible. But 80 students is just impossible. Also, lets throw these kids outside this time and what about issue that this university is having with illegal appointments right from its inception? The same has been properly documented in a number of newspapers online. The government has to address the issue of faulty faculty appointments if not today then tomorrow.

So kindly do a proper background check before commenting and stop calling students rubbish.

I am sure you are one of the faculty members responsible for the blundrr.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 15:42
+4 -6
Unless all the 80 students belong to the same batch (which I doubt), this is nothing extraordinary. What exactly is the student demand at present? Getting good faculty, or getting these people passed/promoted? Why on earth should the examination standard be diluted just because students could not pass? Unless students are alleging wrongdoings in the examination process itself, there's absolutely no reason why specific provision should be made for these 80. Regardless of the faculty standard, if a student cannot pass a law subject after 3 attempts, unless they are alleging paper quality to be extraordinarily tough or something, then he frankly does not deserve to get further breaks. Promoting them would make a hash of the examination process and a loss of morale to the hard-working students who did pass/do well in the examinations ordinarily.
reader 26 Jul 2018, 16:13
+19 -1
You are missing the point here.

Detaining the students was the tipping point that resulted in this drama.

Can u hold the students liable for they were unable to understand basic legal concepts from their below standard teachers who themselves got in through dubious means?

Also, if the students were unable to pass even after 3 attempt did the university remove the concerned faculty member?

Did the university change their teaching methodology as per the requirements of the students who pay lakhs for the entire course?

Let these faculty members play with the lives of students in private institutions and they will be thrown out.

Off course dont give these 80 students another chance but will the University also clean up the administration and the pathetic faculty roll?

Why is it that when the answer scripts are sent out at other institutes for checking that majority of the students pass?

Why did the university put this crazy rule of having 3 retests in the first place?

Also why is it only happening in DSNLU and not else where? I have never heard this happening anywhere else in any college.


Finally make these faculty members answer their own question papers and i am sure most of them will fail.
Cucumber 30 Jul 2018, 08:24
+0 -0
And others passed because?? This seems to be a number across courses, and maybe batches. If you can't pass despite three attempts, you are a discredit. A first failure should itself have triggered a requirement for further and better study.. but three is disturbing. Especially since they thereafter want a fourth attempt.

And if this is the standard DSNLU students have, maybe institutions should look elsewhere.
Nonymous 26 Jul 2018, 17:05
+3 -0
I strongly ask you to refer to the Facebook page, Voice of DSNLU, wherein all the issues are being posted. We do not ask the examination cell to just conduct re examination. But we're actually against the arbitrariness of the administration. I say, please understand that 4th and 5th year students are not dumb to sit outside the campus wherein we're even denied the basic human facilities like food and bathrooms, for nothing. Thhe issue is very grave as it decides the life of a lot of students. And we're not ready to give up because we do know that it's not entirely student's fault that 81students are being detained at once.
AltLaw 26 Jul 2018, 16:01
+2 -0
The protest is not just about detention, it is about the arbitrary rules and the lethargic attitude of administration. This detention was awarded in an arbitrary manner which is a sub issue of the protest.The representation is on public forum, kindly look through it before passing derogatory remarks about the students and the institution.
This is what happens when half researched articles are published and educated people blindly form an opinion without bothering to understand the issue.
Had this been a top tier law school, people would have lauded the efforts of students for standing against maladministration and abuse of power. Just because these students belong to a relatively new NLU, people are going to prejudge their case and that in itself is very heart wrenching.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 16:27
+6 -3
If protestors club issues together, they will face the flak for all of them. Institutional reforms is one set of demand, which is understandable and laudable. Asking for retest isn't. This is something that's commonly seen in most law schools now regardless of age. Students are perfectly content with bad teachers throughout the semester so long as they award good marks and the eventual degree. All the protests start the moment failure happens. If the protest associates itself with such causes, then it will rightly draw the flak for that too. The adminstration will probably blink soon enough, they always do in the face of organised discontent, but I shudder to think what sort of lawyers the institute is letting lose after 5 years, if it takes them 4-5 attempts to secure pass marks in a subject. And frankly, poor teaching quality doesn't excuse that entirely, no matter what anyone says.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 17:29
+13 -1
@7.1

To fail at the hands of a teacher who has taught you decently well is acceptable.

To fail at the hands of a teacher who lacks knowledge about basic legal concepts and who is unable to deliver a proper 50 minute lecture is unacceptable.

Also kindly explain that when the answer sheets are sent to other Universities for reevaluation, almost all students pass.

I am not one of the persons who got detained but I understand and sympathize with my fellow friends who have been detained.

So, many requests were made for faculty change, but none were ever answered or acted upon.

Where did our money go?
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 05:31
+3 -0
Reevaluation of NLU scripts has always historically been a case of passing in return of money. Are your scripts sent to other NLUs? I doubt thus. Not even any of the top private law colleges, probably. As for the traditional law colleges, most of those have so low teaching standards at present that they are likely to clear students just because the latter are from NLU. This is not only your case, this used to be the same for many of even top tier NLUs, where reevaluation has as a result been done away with.

As for poor quality teachers, I'm not disagreeing with your that they need to change. But students should also accept that they aren't doing those teachers any favors by learning the subjects, but to themselves only. Law can be self taught and for the most part, commercial and financial law papers even in NLUs have mostly been self taught only, given the dearth of quality teachers in those subjects. So, no. Failure to secure 40 marks including non-exam components can't be entirely teacher's fault. Had that been the case, everybody would have failed, not some. The first step towards reform is accepting that just like teachers and administration, students also need to improve their quality and work drastically.
Guest 26 Jul 2018, 20:15
+0 -0
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Reading Between the Li 27 Jul 2018, 05:07
+4 -1
I think the public is quite quick to dismiss these 81 as idiots for failing multiple times. As a recent graduate of a so-called top tier NLU, I wonder if the reason for their failure is arbitrariness instead of their own shortcomings.

I've personally encountered teachers who have no idea of the subject they teach, so clearing their course is a matter of luck. I'd be interested in knowing how many subjects these 81 have failed. Let's analyse this situation a bit before making our judgement call?
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 05:34
+7 -0
Recent graduates of NLUs, as stated by 7.1, are all up at arms about arbitrariness only when the results are declared. So long as the teachers teach badly but award buckets of marks, I've not seen a single organised protest against such teachers at any NLU recently. Reveals the sorry state of students, just like it does that of teachers.
Reading Between 28 Jul 2018, 13:53
+0 -0
Correct, but I doubt the fault lies with students. It's the industry which rewards good marks and not good education, at least at the first recruitment. That's bound to affect student choices.
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 07:09
+1 -0
[b]#savedsnlu[/b] this is not a question of repeats, it's a question of failure on the side of management to administer properly. Yes, there were above 80 students being detained, and "kicked out" of the University over night, and no sort of administration would behave so unjustifiably. We are here talking not alonly about the 81/+ students , we talking about the future of all the 600+ students who would are studying in this university. The atrocities to list under this administration is innumerable, and the what you're reading is not even the tip of the iceberg.
We IMPLORE Prachi srivastava to write a genuine article upon our plight. We are being looked at as the bad guys.
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 14:01
+2 -0
LI is busy adding fuel to fire by putting up these comments.
Right and Wrong 27 Jul 2018, 16:18
+2 -8
I request everyone not to get swayed by this cheap publicity stunt of students. The video circulated by the students show that the admin is referring to the students as "our own children" and talking in a very caring and kind way with them. This shows who is right and wrong. If this was any other university in India the students would have been rusticated and arrested for causing a tamasha. Failing so many times means you are not fit to study at an NLU. Go to a private college instead.
Guest 27 Jul 2018, 19:00
+5 -0
@ right and wrong

The tone, tenor and the body language speaks volumes about the caring and kind way that lady in the video seems to put forth. The humble boys on the other hand are just meaning to make a point.

Yes, the students can not be trusted and do play around with administration but this does not mean that the teachers get agressive and intimidate them by referring to as "their own children". This is unacceptable and does not behove of a teacher of a so called "NLU". Plus stop parenting and start teaching. This would not have happened if the teachers would have come down to the level of children and taught them as per their needs.

You are actually wrong and in recent times i have not heard of a single institution failing so many of its students. Dont talk abt standards please.

Again you just dont get rusticated easily and there is a procedure for same. Do not threaten with rustication without knowing what it means. Dont malign the name of police in this.

Also private institutes are a hundred times better than these new NLU's with naive administrators scuttling free speech in the name of 'our children'.

Lastly, just coz u have NLU tag that does not make u an NLU.
Guest 29 Jul 2018, 08:00
+1 -1
I do not disagree with most of what you said barring two points. One is that teachers should not have to 'come down' to the level of students, even if the former are competent in nature. Students will have to raise their own standard including hard work. An average NLU student used to be considered a fairly smart and hard-working person compared to his peers once. Those days are long gone. One cannot expect teachers and institutions matching the quality of foreign universities if the students do not aspire to be of that quality itself. I am not saying DSNLU teachers are the best or even competent, only their students can say that. However, unless one is saying there are problems within the examination process including favouritism, personal prejudice etc., then multiple failure means students are simply not trying hard enough, regardless of how bad teachers are. To all those who lament why NLUs are so far behind the well-known foreign universities, it is also because their overall student quality lacks far behind those institutions. Only top 4-5 students from leading NLUs get the chance to study at Oxford, Harvard etc., so how do you expect institutions to do better where world class students are in such minority? Of course, sub-standard teachers are a problem for them too, but not the only one.

Regarding the number of failures, I'd like to differ. If you take all five years of the LLB programme, most of the NLUs these days (barring 1 or 2 top-tier ones) actually get to see comparable number of failures these days (I'm assuming here too, 81 students are from all 5 years and not a single one). Shows how this multiple repeat examinations concept has backfired and made students lazy and the academic quality eroding from within.
Guest 30 Jul 2018, 08:48
+0 -0
The LI-Bar & Bench rivalry has led to both websites taking opposing stands in NLU disputes. On NUJS, LI went hard after the administration while B&B took a softer approach. On DSNLU, the reverse is happening. Actually, Bar & Bench is pretty smart. They will be aggressive towards admin at lower tier NLUs but stay away from attacking admin at higher ranked NLUs.
kianganz 30 Jul 2018, 09:03
+1 -0
We don't really take 'stands' on college admins really, but in many cases of older NLUs the examples of maladministration the students can cite go back a lot longer than at newer NLUs.

Completely personally, to be honest, the administration has some decent arguments regarding the re-takes here, although it is perhaps at fault for having created that expectation of 4 retakes in the first place.

Regarding general lack of good faculty, etc, I feel for the students, but to be honest that's also a problem in most NLUs...
Guest 30 Jul 2018, 12:12
+0 -0
29th july i.e. yesterday was Sunday, not Saturday.

It seems all the opinionated commenters missed the very first error in the first line of this article.