DU CLC, NLU-D law students win 2021’s Rhodes scholarship at Oxford

Anupriya Dhonchak (left), Misbah Reshi are latest Rhodes awardees from NLU-D, CLC
Anupriya Dhonchak (left), Misbah Reshi are latest Rhodes awardees from NLU-D, CLC

At least two Indian law students have secured this year’s Rhodes Scholarship to study for a fully-funded postgraduate degree at Oxford University.

Final year NLU Delhi student Anupriya Dhonchak and final year University of Delhi, Campus Law Centre student Misbah Reshi have both been selected this year.

Anupriya Dhonchak’s CV includes the UNESCO Chair on Freedom of Communication Summer School on Law, Technology, Democracy, an exchange semester at York University’s law school in 2020 and a Herbert Smith Freehills training contract offer and vacation scheme.

She has worked on action-oriented policy projects concerning rights of survivors of sexual violence, women prisoners and issues of reproductive justice. She has been published by the Berkeley Journal of Gender, Law and Justice and recently, co-authored a book chapter with Prof Carys Craig on a feminist reimagination of moral rights in copyright law. Currently, she is a fellow at SpicyIP and a teaching assistant for Intellectual Property at NLUD. She is interested in the intersection of issues of equality law and free speech with intellectual property. Dhonchak has also represented her state in five national championships in badminton.

Mishbah Reshi’s interests include human rights law, international law and criminal law.

She is a philosophy hons graduate from St Stephen’s College and a final year law student at Campus Law Centre, Faculty of Law, University of Delhi.

Reshi is currently the student convener of the Legal Aid Society of her college and has been a contributor to human rights reports on minority rights in India and human rights violations in Kashmir.

Last year GNLU Gandhinagar student Hatim Hussain was the only law student to have bagged the Rhodes, and in 2018 NUJS Kolkata’s Mihika Poddar made the cut.

In 2017, two students from GNLU Gandhinagar and Nagpur University were awarded the prestigious scholarship.

And in 2016, it went to three students from Nuals Kochi, NLSIU Bengaluru and NUJS Kolkata.

Comments

Hexabin 23 Nov 2020, 12:02
+9 -0
Congratulations to both of them!
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 12:18
+1 -0
Kian, just one correction, students from NUJS have won it in 2018 and 2017 (Mihika Poddar and Gauri Pillai), not in 2018 and 2016 as you have mentioned in the piece.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 13:27
+68 -3
It goes to prove that you don't have to be an NLSIU grad or gone to a jgls to break barriers. a [...] girl from North campus in delhi university where the entire fee of llb course is less than 15 k has blasted a fake agenda of this website that only gives importance to nls and other NLUs over traditional law colleges. Another reason to work hard and not feel sad for being being poor and graduating from traditional law college. Hahaha
Troller Badshah 23 Nov 2020, 13:58
+38 -34
With over 1.3 billion Indians who DO NOT go to NLSIU, one or two are bound to be intelligent.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 16:06
+10 -2
Definitely, because almost everyone who does/did go to NLSIU and comment here turn out to be not.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 14:12
+40 -2
Even as an NLU alumnus, I completely agree with the comment above. Too many of people connected with NLUs have a false sense of importance of themselves and their institutions. It is astounding that these self-proclaimed islands of excellence cannot teach their students basic tenets of education such as being humble and aware of one's own limitations, instead of indulging in posturing at the drop of a hat. No wonder the profession itself is giving up many of its inherent good qualities with time.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 14:30
+51 -0
True, but she already has requisite 'social capital' via Stephens. You don't need to be from an NLU, but you need something to get your foot in the door.
Question 23 Nov 2020, 17:07
+26 -7
Since when did going to Jindal become a benchmark. If you don't get through a good NLU, you might as well go to a traditional law college and work hard unless of course money is of not much value to your parents.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 18:28
+4 -0
Haha, good one
Social Capital 24 Nov 2020, 13:01
+13 -0
Dude you know what Mishbah has common with Kapil Sibal, Abhishek Manu Singhvi, Salman Khurshid, Sanjay Kishan Kaul, Madan Lokur, Ranjan Gogoi, Jyoti Sagar, Akshay Jaitely, Anand Pathak, Ranji Dua, Diljeet Titus, Praveen Anand...? her graduation college St. Stephen's, which is not even a law school. So agree with comment below that she already possessed the requisite social capital even before taking first step in a law school!! Wake us up when a student from traditional law college from a tier 2 city makes it solely basis hard work...
P.S. Nothing against Mishbah, i am sure she worked hard and also made it to right sets of colleges. Just emphasizing the importance of these institutions along with hard work to crack a holistic test posed by Rhodes scholarship...
Hexabin 24 Nov 2020, 19:01
+10 -1
C. Raj Kumar, VC of JGLS, Rhodes Scholar did his Bachelors of Commerce from Loyola College, University of Madras, and LLB from Faculty of Law, University of Delhi. Rhodes is problematic but don't say people from traditional colleges can't make it.
Rhodes 23 Nov 2020, 14:10
+12 -2
Amazing, Congratulations Anupriya. Great for NLUD as well, doing well across all fields.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 16:54
+12 -22
NLUD will eventually displace NLSIU as the NIRF topper. It's time NLUD joins CLAT because they will be debuting at #2 preference and can only reach higher.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 16:55
+6 -1
Kian, can we have the names of the selection committee members?
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 16:59
+23 -0
Advice for future aspirants: Anupriya interned with Justice Chandrachud and worked as RA with a professor abroad. Letters from recommendations from judges and professors are more important than those from law firm partners for scholarships, so try and diversify for your internships beyond law firms. If you cannot work with an SC judge or foreign professor, go for a HC judge and Indian professor.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 17:38
+11 -0
Anupriya also worked extensively with two Indian professors, who are no longer at NLUD, on this part of her CV: 'action-oriented policy projects concerning rights of survivors of sexual violence, women prisoners and issues of reproductive justice.' If you don't work with your own professors, who will write the recos that you need to work with foreign profs? And how will you fill your quota of 6 recos for Rhodes? Ultimately you need strong support from 3 or more academics who know your work well. Line that up early.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 17:00
+3 -0
Anupriya has many publications

https://in.linkedin.com/in/anupriya-dhonchak-a63021149
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 17:06
+25 -5
Class topper, champion sportswoman, ace publications, good debater, good mooter, volunteer work... this girl is superhuman!
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 17:15
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Rhodes scholarship breakup for NLUs in last 10 years:

2011: 1 NLSIU
2012: 1 NLSIU, 1 NALSAR
2013: 1 NLSIU, 1 NUJS
2014: 1 NLSIU, 1 NALSAR
2016: 1 NLSIU, 1 NUJS, 1 NUALS
2017: 1 GNLU
2018: 1 NUJS
2019: 1 GNLU
2020: 1 NLUD

Ranking for past 5 years:

Joint 1st: NUJS and GNLU (2 each)
Joint 3rd: NLSIU, NLUD and NUALS joint (1 each)

Ranking for past 10 years:

1st: NLSIU (5)
Joint 2nd: NALSAR, NUJS and GNLU (2 each)
Joint 5th: NLUD and NUALS (1 each)
Wrong Data 23 Nov 2020, 18:13
+9 -0
NLUD had one in 2016 and some of the other data is also wrong. If you are compiling at least put in the effort to cross check it.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 18:30
+0 -0
I was waiting for you @recordkeeper or @consciencekeeper, whatever you want to be called.
2015 NLUD Rishika 23 Nov 2020, 19:18
+10 -0
Wrong data, Rishika Sahagal from NLUD got it in 2015
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 19:59
+0 -0
Even based on your info, the final calculation is wrong.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 04:51
+3 -1
NUJS has got 3 Rhodes scholars in the last 10 years. 4 overall in the last 15 since the first batch.
Guest 23 Nov 2020, 17:31
+20 -2
Along with Rhodes we should also look at other scholarships, such as Inlaks, Chevening, Felix, Cambridge Gates , DAAD Germany, Erasmus Mundus, and Fulbright. That will give a fairer picture of which law school is performing the best. Please share data with Kian!

As of now, the only site with info is Cambridge Gates. It lists one NLSIU alum in 2008 (Surabhi Ranganathan), one NALSAR alum in 2012 (Suhasini Sen) and one NUJS alum in 2019 (Nishant Gokhale).
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 05:00
+5 -1
I'm pretty sure Law School tops overall in Chevening, Fulbright and EU scholarships, just like it tops overall in Rhodes. I am listing 10 examples which just took me a few seconds to come up with. They are from mostly super-senior batches, so there must be at least 10 to 15 times that number in total if we count in all batches from inception till now.

1. Mrinal Satish: Inlaks for LLM at Yale
2. Sid Narrain: Fulbright for LLM at Harvard.
3. Lawrence Liang: Chevening for LLM at Warwick + Visiting Fulbright at Yale during PhD at JNU
4. Arvind Narrain: Chevening for LLM at Warwick
5. Chitra Narayan: Chevening for LLM at Warwick
6. Arpita Sen: Chevening for LLM from York
7. Naiyya Saggi: Fulbright for Harvard MBA
8. Parul Kumar: Eramsus Mundus for LLM + Humboldt Foundation German Chancellor's Fellowship
9. Anubhuti Agarwal: Chevening for LLM at UCL .
10. Apurva Wankhede: DAAD for LLM in Germany
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 06:08
+0 -0
Counting from the 90s isn't likely to be relevant anymore. I think it should at the most be the last 10 years, maybe even lesser, since places like NLUD and Jindal have only started producing grads since 2013.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 06:10
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If you are talking about overall numbers, places like DU would always have the edge over NLUs. Been around for much longer and has many times the batch size.
2016 24 Nov 2020, 11:57
+1 -0
11. Saumya Maheshwari (2016 Batch): Chevening (Declined)
Kuch nahi 24 Nov 2020, 05:53
+37 -7
Kuch nahin milt scholarships se. Waapis aa kar courts mein dhakke ya fir law firm partners ki daant. Please get out of this scholarship blitz.
Trip 24 Nov 2020, 08:16
+3 -9
Bhai you seem frustrated, just take the week off. During the week off do remember that these scholarships matter.
Truthers 24 Nov 2020, 09:42
+12 -4
They matter to a great extent, if you leverage them well. Someone like an Arghya is case in point (or even more so, V Niranjan). But yes, a lot of scholarship recipients (such as Rhodes) head down very middling paths, which is quite disappointing. Academia is quite mediocre (unless you're at the level of a Tarunabh Khaitan), post-Rhodes litigation is very unimpressive, the scholarship didn't really add anything to their trajectories there, and law firm life is particularly low hanging after that kind of exposure. Not to take away from either of these candidates, both of whom seem excellent. Wish them the best!
All Roams Lead... 24 Nov 2020, 11:39
+7 -0
Don't know how good your Google skills are, but surprised to see that Rhodes scholars go down "middling paths".

Lets look at the NLS Rhodies.

1. Lavanya Rajamani teaches at Oxford and the Hague.

2. Sandeep Gopalan has been a dean of law at 3 law schools in Australia.

3. Menaka and 4. Sudhir are well known on the comments section here.

5. Sandeep Sreekumar teaches philosophy at Baruch.

6. Tom Sebastian is in private practice and has acted for many governments in trade law.

7. Nandan Kamath has his own firm in Bangalore and is one of the country's top sports lawyers.

8. Dev Gangjee teaches at Oxford.

9. Rahul Rao teaches at SOAS .

10. Sameer Singh is what everyone really wants to be. After the Rhodes, he started and sold a restaurant, and now plays poker. He also spent some time at BCG.

11. Shyam Balaganesh teaches at Penn Law.

12. Tarun Khaitan, you've already spoken about.

13. Neha Jain teaches at the EUI.

14. Arghya and 15. Bhatia are also well known on the comments section here.

I can go on, but none of these can really be called mediocre by any stretch of imagination.
Well indeed 24 Nov 2020, 16:03
+6 -2
It would be very poor form to name the mediocre, so you would understand why that’s not happening.
Hexabin 25 Nov 2020, 07:43
+1 -2
The list would have been better by Rhodes standards if a larger no of these folks came back to India. I know selfish on my part to expect folks to do so but still pretty sure Rhodes expects candidates to come back in India and work.
Trivedi03 24 Nov 2020, 10:11
+0 -0
Bhai, experience se bolta hun, hawa mein nahin.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 09:08
+0 -0
NIRF perception score must be based on a 20 year aggregate. It is ridiculous to just pick out the past 5 years. When we speak about MS Dhoni's stats, will we only count the last 5 years?
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 13:27
+3 -0
Are you saying that NLSIU, like Dhoni, can no longer make the cut when it comes to playing with the big boys? Shame on you for casting such aspersions.
As for the time period, when it has only been 7 years since all the top 10 NLUs have started producing at least their first batch, then counting for past 20 years for any comparison is foolish.
PMR 24 Nov 2020, 09:20
+13 -0
Poor Misbah. She must be reading the comments on 'my **** is bigger than yours', and must be thinking wtf are they talking about ?!?!?!
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 12:44
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[img]https://i.imgflip.com/4nnle1.jpg[/img]
Boring 24 Nov 2020, 13:12
+19 -1
God it is so tedious to even open the comment section on LI to see either freshers or mediocre jobless people overtake every discussion with NLU /NLS this and that, list achievements of people they don't even know and try to feel superior by their peripheral role presumably by being from the same law school - please get over it! I don't even remember the last time someone asked about my law school, and I've met tons of dumbass NLUs including from NLS. Some of them sit and read novels all day in their partner cabins and have a panic attack when asked to take any decision, and other Non-NLUs are hustling like nobody's business. There is no generalization in this area. It does not matter, this is the last thing that matters unless one wants to get into academics.

More importantly, congratulations to both these girls and so sorry to see irrelevant comments ruining the discourse like every time. Kian you seriously need to do something about this unless you want your audience to solely consist of NLU fifth years in a few years.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 13:28
+0 -2
He's made his stance over the years pretty clear. He wants this. At least he's started censoring at least most of the abuse these days, though the allegations and character assassination without foundation keep coming.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 13:43
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[quote]Some of them sit and read novels all day [/quote]

Respect! There's the difference between NLUs and non-NLUs right there. Non-NLU ones spend free times playing mobile games, but NLU-ites read novels. So NLUs rock even when it comes to time wasting.

[quote]all day in their partner cabins [/quote]

More respect! NLUites become partners!
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 13:29
+3 -0
I'm a first year student at JGLS, I have secured a rank of 416 in CLAT 2020 and got into NLU, Gandhinagar. After talking to a few practicing lawyers and students, I decided to pick JGLS over GNLU. Considering the fact that the JGLS campus is not going to be opened till February due to COVID, I'm wondering if I should give CLAT another shot in 2021. I'm confident of getting into NUJS or NALSAR. Please give me your valuable suggestions and guidance in the comments below regarding what would be in my best interests if I'm interested in pursuing a career in corporate law.
Go for it 24 Nov 2020, 14:13
+4 -0
If you think you'll get into a vastly better college, do it. A year doesn't matter, but the networks and connections that you make (including alumni) are invaluable.
IndianAspirant 24 Nov 2020, 15:46
+1 -7
But, many people say JGLS will become a Top 2 NLU equivalent in no time. Could you give me your unbiased opinion of JGLS? Do you think it has the potential to overtake the top nlus?
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 17:01
+1 -0
If it brings down its fees to that of the NLUs and reduces the student strength to that of the NLUs, then possibly. But then they won't be able to sustain their high-priced faculty and infra.
Novel reading partner 24 Nov 2020, 14:22
+5 -0
Agree with 17.1. Guidance from peers is the best asset. You will read the same books at all colleges and come across (more of less) similar faculty.

@All - Beg you, please dont start on faculty now.
Troller Badshah 24 Nov 2020, 15:08
+10 -5
Have no second thoughts - go for it if you get into NLS, NALSAR or NUJS. It's certainly worth losing a year if you get into any of these three. But stop there. Other law colleges may not be worth losing a year.

To put it in perspective, at NLS - you will learn the Vedas, Upanishads, and Puranas. At Nalsar and NUJS, you will learn the Vedas and a bit of Upanishads and Puranas. At other CLAT affiliated NLUs, you will learn a few shlokhas at the most. At other non CLAT law colleges - alas, all you will learn are the Jataka Tales. At JGLS, apart from the Jataka Tales, you may learn a bit of Hanuman Chalisa.

Hope this helps.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 17:20
+5 -0
@17: I don't think you should have given up GNLU over JGLS, but since you are open to picking NUJS or NALSAR over JGLS, let me lay down the pros and cons for you:

NUJS vs JGLS: NUJS wins in terms of placements, good peer group, campus location (well-connected city area) and fees. NUJS loses in terms of faculty quality, hostel rooms and campus infrastructure, and opportunities for student exchange abroad.

NALSAR vs JGLS: NALSAR wins in terms of placements, good peer group and fees. NALSAR loses in terms of faculty quality and opportunities for student exchange abroad. Other factors are neutral, i.e. NALSAR campus just as remote as JGLS and hostel rooms and campus infra is almost like JGLS.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 18:19
+8 -0
JGLS doesn't have 'better' quality faculty for all their students. More than 50% of their faculty are mostly untested LLM grads without any teaching experience. Several times JGLS students have mentioned in the comments section that a lot of students end up never getting an opportunity to study from the marquee faculty. Perils of huge batch size again.
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 16:57
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Question: Apart from Vikramjeet Banerjee, has any Rhodes/Chevening/Inlaks etc scholarship been awarded to someone who is NOT leftist?
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 18:17
+6 -1
If not, then it should go on to prove what 'leftists' say about rights of people make better sense than what 'rightists' do.
no troll Left behind 25 Nov 2020, 09:12
+6 -3
What does "not leftist" mean? If it means "does not publicly call for the beating up of minorities, or for putting them in their place", then I can't think of anyone.

Did you mean anything else by "not leftist"? For instance, limited governments, free markets, banning Chinese apps for Twitter likes, and so on?
Well well 25 Nov 2020, 15:29
+0 -1
Answer: Well, now you know who the smart ones are then!
whoever you are 30 Nov 2020, 02:57
+0 -0
you are my hero!
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 17:21
+1 -0
Suppose JGLS decides to enter NIRF next year and lands with a top 3 finish, will the haters shut up then?
Guest 24 Nov 2020, 18:16
+4 -0
No. Because NIRF doesn't check student quality. And it is an inaccurate ranking with unverified information.
Top 3 24 Nov 2020, 18:39
+1 -0
No, as still it will be below 2 nlus. JGLS should be no. 1 with the kind fees it charges. Also like it is no 1 indian law school in QS ranking, why not in NIRF.

Anything less than nirf $1 is sort of failure for JGLS.
Ashley 25 Nov 2020, 02:42
+1 -5
Ohk so for the people who love jindal bashing so much, being a student there let me give an unbiased view.
1. Facilities and infrastructure: Jgls has a huge range of library and the library doesn't have the books the student wants they request it and it is brought in within a span of 3/4 days. The campus of jgu is expansive and very well maintained. Yes people, we know that we pay for it.
2. Faculty: from a first hand experience, i beg to differ from most people on the comment section. Jgls has an excellent faculty. There are teachers from harvard some in particular are so good in teaching. We also have guest lectures, not the ones you get mail about, separate due to jindal's global network, we had the NLSIU prof teach us in class too, from which I infer that the teaching styles are not vastly different.
3. Internships & Placements: jindal focuses upon the internships well from the start unlike other colleges, if i m wromg please correct me. It has a very effective internship cell that's kind of provides most people with internships. The placements have been from the round and aboutsame companies which come at NLSIU. Granted the overall placement rate of NLSIU is better, but JGLS can work on it, since it is a relatively new institution.

Disadvantages:
1. Fees: you guessed it, i am going to wrote nothing more. Yes its extremely high and absolutely no excuse for that
2. Peer group: this is a problem since the students are not particularly motivated here. But around about 5/6% children do have higher aims, so if you try surround yourself with a better circle the better.

This is all I felt while studying at JGLS, so before people are at it again, lets be civil and discuss it with right information. Good day:)
Guest 25 Nov 2020, 05:51
+7 -0
As a self-professed student, how exactly are you unbiased?
Facilities, nobody has raised any issue with. Although it is arguable that if the chance is given to a prospective student, they might choose not to avail of some 'luxuries' if that means paying lesser fees. You mentioned libraries. Most of the top NLUs have access to books and databases that are serving their students well enough for the latter to do everything that they want to. So you can't really claim that you have any advantage in that direction, because the results aren't different.

Faculty: Anecdotal examples won't really suffice to address the concerns raised about faculty. Again, nobody said that JGLS don't have some very good faculty. However, it is also absolutely true that it employs a lot of people as JRAs and SRAs with no teaching experience and those people take on a bulk of the teaching load. Further, the sheer number of students means not everyone gets the marquee faculty. That also has been mentioned by several students earlier.

Internships: Herein you are engaging in hyperbole and exaggeration. If you are claiming that 'most students' get equally good opportunities for internships and jobs as those from top NLUs, that simply isn't accurate. Why don't you cite the stats? How many students apply for internships, whether there is any CGPA criterion like you have for placement (something no other NLU has, and which prevents all the interested students from applying thus keeping the figure down), and how many in any given year, say last year, have secured comparable internships? It would be amply clear to others then. The way JGLS advertises about everything, had their students secured comparable internships and jobs in any year, then they would have publicized it with facts and figures broadcast prime time probably. They aren't doing so, which means the figures can't possibly support such claim.

Finally, if getting comparable graduate outcome to NLUs is your only objective (and that too is yet to be achieved, forget about NLSIU, but even compared to contemporary NLUs like NLUD), then why on earth would anyone spend thrice the money? You need to provide at least three times better outcomes to justify that! That's what logic demands.
Guest 25 Nov 2020, 04:22
+2 -3
As evident from LI's AZB hires story, NLSIU has really sunk in placements, while NALSAR/NUJS/JGLS are doing better. But neither LI nor BB will have the guts to do a tabular comparison like they once used to, because the NLSIU mafia has forced them to keep their mouths shut.
Ajj 25 Nov 2020, 08:05
+1 -0
Check the stats before spewing bullshit please. 2021 batch has done really well with the ppo's and training contracts. Placements have been on par with nalsar, nujs as they have been for the past few years. Jgls isn't even in the equation
Nls4thyear 25 Nov 2020, 08:29
+0 -1
Do you call 1 training contract as really good? There is only 1 TC from linklaters. A&O offered only a vac scheme and HSF nothing
Guest 25 Nov 2020, 09:14
+2 -0
But I thought from the NLSIU trolls commenting here that it is supposed to be one of a kind, far ahead of everyone else, on a different league etc. So why should its placements even be at a par with anyone else? Surely that should be miles ahead of others too?
Data 25 Nov 2020, 06:10
+0 -0
All winners are not always leftists. I can easily think of some names. Shubhankar Dam was a Rhodes finalist and eventually won the Felix. Arghya Sengupta won the Rhodes
Guest 25 Nov 2020, 09:28
+0 -0
#notallwinners
Strawman 28 Nov 2020, 04:16
+1 -1
Being rightist is not the same as being a BJP supporter
Reality check 28 Nov 2020, 06:24
+3 -1
Rhodes scholarship should have a binding clause that prohibits them from ever entering corporate field.
Guest 28 Nov 2020, 06:35
+0 -0
If Rhodes did the same, then he wouldn't have had the money to start the scholarship. Also, how's litigating for corporate clients any different from working for a firm that has such clients? Should they also stop people from litigating then, or regulate their client list and practice area?
Difference 29 Nov 2020, 05:21
+0 -7
The difference is people at firms are mere clerks. Corporate slaves. The ones with Rhodes should have self respect. Litigation is what law students should aspire for.
Guest 29 Nov 2020, 06:28
+6 -0
Yes, because all the litigators in this country are just brimming with self-respect. The exceptional abilities of 5% litigators cannot hide the appalling quality of the remaining 95%. A casual look at the draft petitions filed before any regular court in this country is enough to make one realise that. Regardless of all the false glory and whitewashing attempts. Law students should aspire to be capable professionals and good human beings. It does not matter which career path they choose after that.
Guest 29 Nov 2020, 07:45
+4 -0
A profession where lawyers have to often display sycophancy and often undeserved praise and respect towards the judges cannot be said to offer any inherent self-respect. The people who have self-respect on their own can retain it whether they are litigating or working at a firm.
Kaa Be 29 Nov 2020, 07:30
+1 -0
Reality check is being a moron but what about you mate? You really want folks to imitate Rhodes? Not really the best example.
Guest 29 Nov 2020, 09:16
+1 -0
No, just that acting high and mighty about a scholarship without considering its origin is a stupid thing to do. I mentioned Rhodes because Reality Check referred to Rhodes Scholarship. Rhodes scholars have got as much right to decide their career path as anybody else. And this 'apparent disdain' of penny-ante litigators towards corporate lawyers is laughable.
Guest 29 Nov 2020, 09:14
+0 -0
A YouTuber has disclosed NUJS placements.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZVOsIndOHI[/youtube]
Guest 29 Nov 2020, 09:43
+0 -0
This is for the 2018 batch. That data was already available at LI. This guy just picked it up from public domain, the way he speaks about it, he's got little actual knowledge about the recruiters etc. It's just an Unacademy ad, that's all.
Guest 29 Nov 2020, 09:18
+3 -0
At least corporate lawyers care more about the education of the next generation than our renowned litigators. A casual look at the donor list of IDIA would be enough to prove that point.
Check your facts 5 Dec 2020, 18:55
+0 -0
The reason IDIA has tons of corporate donors is because it’s an NLS home grown unit, and their founders continue to have active partnerships and voluntary arrangements with many NLS alumni, who surprise surprise are all in corporate law firms, you know the terrible compromise your ideals stepdown place people on this thread are claiming NLS folks or esteemed LLM / BCL don’t aim for. If you want to check where Litigation folks donate, see BCI records. If I had to fact check stuff being said on LI, will probably have to quit my job!
Guest 6 Dec 2020, 05:17
+0 -0
IDIA had been incubated at NUJS, not NLSIU. People would of course approach donors whom they know. You have zero idea about how the fundraising used to take place for IDIA. Shamnad had approached everyone, including most renowned litigators. The people who supported the cause are mostly from law firms and not litigators. That's the fact. By your logic, BCI never rarely approaches law firm people anyway, so how would you see their names reflected there? Further, what amazing educational initiative has the BCI undertaken in the last ten years anyway to need donation?
CLC 30 Nov 2020, 19:51
+4 -0
Bahuli Sharma also got Rhodes from CLC. College that charges 15000 rupees total fee vs. NLUs that charge minimum 10-15 lakh.
LaughingBuda 1 Dec 2020, 11:16
Troll
+8 -2
Funny how Rhodes keeps hitting up the cliched candidates. Y'know, the ones who are from a minority (and minority of a minority), profess interest in cry-me-a-river causes and do a bunch of unnatural internships. Healthy law students should be focussed on getting that high paying law firm job and doing subjects and courses they like, not planning their LLB years to get a measly 30,000 pounds and a place at a financially dead zero university that's going on past fame. I'd like to see how many of these snowflakes continues with their SOP dreams to justify the adulation thousands of ignorant fellow law students heap on them year on year.
BluffingLouder 1 Dec 2020, 12:55
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Congratulations. You've just proved one of the best known secrets at law schools- good English does not automatically come bundled with brains.

You seem to think that anyone who does law should put their head down and treat a Big Law job as some kind of holy grail. This may surprise you, but people have different priorities in life.

They may already be rich , and a Big Law job would be a *step down* for them. Not an option for most people, but worth remembering that rich people think differently.

They may love law in an intellectual, nerdy way, and may want to continue with it. Again, it's remarkably arrogant of you to tell them "Don't eat Chinese, I'm going to force you to eat truffled caviar".

They may recognize their privilege, and decide to do something with it, instead of fattening their bank balances. It's not that hard, you know, not chasing the bright, shiny dollar signs?

In a few years, everyone you know will have money. It really doesn't mean much at some stage. Do you want to be a wealthy nobody? Or do you want the respect of your peers? Do you want to be somebody who people still talk about 10 or 20 years after they graduated?
Guest 1 Dec 2020, 13:57
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Do you not recognize a troll even when marked as such? Why keep feeding it?
BluffingLouder 1 Dec 2020, 14:24
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This is how the RW gained prominence. They kept saying outrageous things, and everyone ignored them. The general public, on the other hand, thought these guys were learned experts because of the lack of pushback, and started believing them.
Guest 1 Dec 2020, 16:47
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Nobody hear thought 28 is a learned expert in anything. Not even 28 himself.
LaughingBuda 2 Dec 2020, 19:42
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I do not pretend to have learned a lot from the legal profession but I did learn a few things.

One is that anyone whose first attack is on your grammar / accent / spelling is typically already dead in the water and throwing up these lame arguments to buy time and defend the indefensible.

I only request you to read my post once again. My point is that students should pursue what they like (including charitable causes if it truly interests them). However and this is my experience, most of these Rhodes "scholars" are simply students who calculate ahead on how to prep up a CV and throw in the spices and masala till they get that acceptance letter. Once done with BCL only a small number actually pursue their professed interest in any meaningful way. The rest get back to the usual villains such as big law, small law, MNCs, etc. etc. Dont take my word for it. Just google the last fifteen years worth of these scholarship awardees and see where they are today, after all the cringe worthy puff-pieces they wrote to get a seat at oxford.

That is why I fault these foolish scholarships for spurning an unhealthy and unnatural desire amongst law students to mould themselves in a particular way. Very similar to the Barbiedoll craze that made young women insecure with their bodies and take extreme measures to get that hourglass figure.

When will people learn that biglaw or NGO, what matters is happiness in life and not these silly labels.

On that note I yield to allow you to continue your grammar nazi tirade.
Reality Check 3 Dec 2020, 18:54
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Completely agree with Laughing Buda. Most of these scholarships are built on CVs checking off boxes. Also, opportunities don't just spring out of nowhere based on "hard work" but with privilege of class, of family, of mental health and many other things. Many of these scholars (including from the current lot) can afford a foreign education, have gone on exchange, have networks that give them opportunities through their family members and so on. While they may have worked hard, it is also our responsibility to not glorify or idealise many of these people who already come from a place of privilege. Good for them on achieving this, but they are not the gold standard that every person should aspire toward, contrary to what the Rhodes scholar worship mania seems to be now. Not everyone can afford to go for competitions or have the opportunity to devote time to extra curricular activities. Not every law school has multiple centres or opportunities like being a teaching assistant.
It is extremely toxic to idolise people solely based on their achievements and call them "super human" as if your value is based in how many different things you can fit into your CV. If there are genuinely any law school kids reading these posts and comments, there is more to life than these scholars and scholarships. Do whatever you want and break this cycle of glorifying achievements like these.
Guest 3 Dec 2020, 20:32
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To shirk away from putting in the hard work by claiming that everything that other people do stems from privilege is unlikely to take you anywhere better either in life. I agree with the foreign competition and family contacts part. But there are also several scholars who lacked all of those and have still made it to the list. There have even been visually challenged Rhodes scholar from law schools, very deserving of the honour. Having good mental health is not always a privilege. A lot of effort also goes into overcoming barriers despite your conditions.
Reality Check 4 Dec 2020, 06:53
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I am referring more to scholars who have a lot of capital, social and otherwise. Solely looking at their merit and not what circumstances they have come from is a disservice to scholars who don't have the same privilege or people who have been unable to make it till here because of lack of privilege.
My argument is not to do away with hard work but to recognise that hard work doesn't always bear the same fruit for people because of factors out of our hands.
Guest 4 Dec 2020, 09:30
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That's an acceptable argument. However, one should also recognise that people from underprivileged background have also made it into such lists, though they are of course a minority.
NLSIU Alumnus 1 Dec 2020, 18:51
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Most Rhodes scholars in Law go on to pursue the B.C.L. programme at Oxford, which is the equivalent of a LL.M. Many of them proceed to the M.Phil. and D.Phil. (equivalent of Ph.D.) programmes in due course. So it might be useful to examine how many Indian law graduates are entering these prestigious academic programmes, since there are also several other scholarships and sources of funding available for postgraduate study at Oxford. I recently learnt from a former batch-mate (currently a Law Professor in the U.K.) that in the present academic year (2020-2021), there are as many as seven NALSAR graduates who are pursuing the B.C.L. programme at Oxford. This has to be a record of sorts for an Indian law school, so they must be doing something right in Shameerpet. I have also found recent NALSAR graduates to possess research and writing skills of a high order, though they can do better with their public speaking. I guess it is time for LI to start paying more attention to that institution since most comments here are either focused on student achievements at NLSIU or faculty credentials at NLU Delhi or JGLS. If they are sending so many students to Oxford in a single academic year, then they might actually become the most well-regarded Indian law school in the future. Especially with the recent leadership transitions and consequent instability at NLSIU and NLU Delhi, NALSAR might just pull ahead in the NIRF rankings as well.
Guest 2 Dec 2020, 02:48
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NALSAR is indeed a good place to be in. By no means is higher education abroad limited to the graduates of one or two NLUs these days. Even the LLM batch of Harvard in 2019 had as many as six alumni from NUJS, availing various scholarships. Among the private universities, Symbiosis has many alumni going abroad for their LLM in every year, although I am not certain about the scholarships. Hopefully, the numbers would keep increasing and these people would eventually come back to India and help make the legal sector better in ways more than one. Otherwise, these would remain just meaningless stats.
Notsure 2 Dec 2020, 03:02
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You learnt pretty wrong. I am sure that there cannot be more than 2 BCL students from any university in a batch. They hardly take more
than 2 even from harvard
NLSIU Alumnus 2 Dec 2020, 07:28
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@Notsure: That was my impression too, having tracked B.C.L. admissions at Oxford for nearly 20 years now. However, this year seems to be exceptional on this count too. It seems that many students from other countries have deferred their admission owing to travel restrictions and the like, thereby pushing up the number of Indian students.

My friend in the UK has shared the following names of NALSAR graduates who have been accepted into the B.C.L. this year: Rahul Mohanty (2017), Srimukundan Rajaram (2017), Pranahita Srinivas (2017), Karan Gupta (2018), Abhijeet Rawaley (2020), Aishwarya Birla (2020), Priyamvada Shivaji (2020).

Please do corroborate this with your friends who might be at Oxford or NALSAR. The person who shared this information is a well-regarded academic.

It is great to learn that graduates from NUJS and Symbiosis are also opting for higher studies at the top universities. There are talented law students in all corners of our country, so we must nurture them and provide the best available opportunities.
Notsure 2 Dec 2020, 08:25
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Well thats great, I am sorry, I shouldn't have put it bluntly. I was however, under the impression that not many students from a single university gwt selected at BCL. That was true until last year. This year they seem to have changed it