Editor’s note: LI is reducing law school rankings coverage

Previous years’ coverage of various national magazines’ law school rankings has turned into a bit of a media circus and has not really contributed in any way to improving the quality or transparency of Indian legal education.

The magazines’ law school rankings have been often criticised and little understood, while colleges’ rank often varied widely and seemingly randomly from year to year. Please feel free to read previous stories, drama and hundreds of comments on this topic.

Legally India has therefore taken an editorial decision not to analyse, publicise or give major editorial space to such magazines’ rankings.

But to maintain a public record, we will continue to publish links to the rankings in the Legally Wired section or elsewhere on the site: please find this year’s India Today law school rankings below, for example.

If you would like to have a look at some slightly more objective criteria of judging college quality in very, very broad terms, please have a look at:

Ultimately, however, all rankings are subjective and to a great extent artificial. Preferably, do your own research by speaking to current and past students, visit the campus if you can, speak to some professors and recruiters, and come up with your own considered opinion.

India Today law school rankings

2012 India Today rankings: NLS 1, Delhi Univ 2, etc...
2012 India Today rankings: NLS 1, Delhi Univ 2, etc...

India Today 2012 law school ranking methodology
India Today 2012 law school ranking methodology

Comments

NLS 11 Jun 2012, 09:11
+9 -0
Please clarify that the MPL only ranks colleges' mooting abilities. I know this appears to state the obvious, but several of the "my college is better than yours" debates refer extensively to MPL rankings, which is silly, to say the least.

Also, I'm glad that at least one website has decided not to publish these rankings, because the way they're calculated is just absurd. Most people publish them in order to gain more hits anyway. A general discussion on ranking methodology should be encouraged though.
Yash 11 Jun 2012, 09:27
+5 -0
Ah. Finally, Someone is doing something sensible. Good Decision.
Delhi Lawyer 11 Jun 2012, 09:29
+8 -1
Unlike Management and Engineering, law school is not just about getting a job in Amarchand and AZB. The purpose of a law school is to nurture its students to be an established lawyer and thereby the serve the society and preserve the nobility of the profession (which has been damaged since 1970s).

I am happy that India Today has considered the other factors as well and not just recruitment scenarios of NLUs. Be it corporate law or litigation or working with NGO or a politician, a law school should be judged on its ability to produce such talents who could make a difference to the society.
Victor 11 Jun 2012, 11:36
+3 -1
[quote name="Delhi Lawyer"]Unlike Management and Engineering, law school is not just about getting a job in Amarchand and AZB. The purpose of a law school is to nurture its students to be an established lawyer and thereby the serve the society and preserve the nobility of the profession (which has been damaged since 1970s).

I am happy that India Today has considered the other factors as well and not just recruitment scenarios of NLUs. Be it corporate law or litigation or working with NGO or a politician, a law school should be judged on its ability to produce such talents who could make a difference to the society.[/quote]
India Today has considered no cogent factor whatsoever. It does not come to most of these law schools, has no idea about statistics/infrastructure/achievements and certainly has no valid reason for the rankings, because of which, there are cases pending against it filed by law schools.
Delhi Lawyer 11 Jun 2012, 13:50
+1 -0
Every magazine has the right to rank colleges as per its criteria. However, let us wait for the Court verdict and see what happens. I believe LI will report on such judgments passed by the Court in the future.
Delhi Student 11 Jun 2012, 17:54
+2 -0
Or every magazine has a right to rank on the basis of advertisements which it gets?
Delhi Lawyer 12 Jun 2012, 05:48
+2 -0
I think NLUs should stop participating from these rankings if they have any problem. Even IIMs do not participate in some rankings.
Delhi Student 12 Jun 2012, 08:08
+1 -0
They do - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story_image.jsp?img=/images/stories/2011August/bs-lead-large_082711120314.jpg&caption=

They do participate in India TOday Ranking, which in Law Circuit, is now considered to be one of the worst rankings. Only a person of mediocre research level will support this sort of rankings to satisfy himself.

Further, instead of asking NLU for not participating, cannot it be said to the magazines like India Today to have some sort of sense?


And Trust me, NLUs don't bother of India Today Rankings at all. It is just that you talked of right of someone that I thought of clarifying the same.
Delhi Lawyer 12 Jun 2012, 08:22
+1 -0
"And Trust me, NLUs don't bother of India Today Rankings at all. It is just that you talked of right of someone that I thought of clarifying the same." -

They do bother, that is why they have filed cases as pointed out by someone. My point is, let IT do whatever they want. You are nobody to ask them to alter their rankings. You don't like it don't refer to the magazines. As long as the Shroffs and Modis are hiring you why bother ? Be happy with your desk jobs and continue thinking yourself to be superior than others.
Delhi Student 12 Jun 2012, 16:30
+5 -0
Your arguments are really like a 5 year old kid, who wants to let other people accept what you think of. I even wonder whether you actually are a lawyer or not.

Anyway coming to the point, what is the problem in filing a case, even if SOME NLUs are bothering [SINGLE NLUs does not represent each and every NLU].

And even if they are doing, they are doing it correctly. And my dear lawyer, tell me one thing, why should they let anyone do anything? If they have taken a good step to improve rankings, what is wrong with that? The same statement can be applicable to you. Let them file the case, let them object, who are you tell them? You are appearing like a lawyer who is just happy with where he is.


I wonder how a lawyer, that too of Delhi, would get time to surf Legally India every now and then, unless the same lawyer is jobless enough.

"Be happy with your desk jobs and continue thinking yourself to be superior than others." - Didn't get the job? Frustrated enough over NLUs? Happens.
Delhi Lawyer 13 Jun 2012, 05:43
+0 -0
"And even if they are doing, they are doing it correctly. And my dear lawyer, tell me one thing, why should they let anyone do anything?" -

Like I said the magazine has a right to rank colleges according to its criteria. If the college is upset with that then it may choose not to participate in the ranking. Simple.

"If they have taken a good step to improve rankings, what is wrong with that?" - Let us wait for the court verdict and see whose favour the order goes.

"I wonder how a lawyer, that too of Delhi, would get time to surf Legally India every now and then, unless the same lawyer is jobless enough. " -

Vacation going on in courts my boy. I am having free time now.

"Didn't get the job? Frustrated enough over NLUs? Happens."

Well I have never applied for them since I am an environmental lawyer and primarily into litigation.
victor 13 Jun 2012, 09:03
+1 -0
[quote name="Delhi Lawyer"]"And even if they are doing, they are doing it correctly. And my dear lawyer, tell me one thing, why should they let anyone do anything?" -

Like I said the magazine has a right to rank colleges according to its criteria. If the college is upset with that then it may choose not to participate in the ranking. Simple.

"If they have taken a good step to improve rankings, what is wrong with that?" - Let us wait for the court verdict and see whose favour the order goes.

"I wonder how a lawyer, that too of Delhi, would get time to surf Legally India every now and then, unless the same lawyer is jobless enough. " -

Vacation going on in courts my boy. I am having free time now.

"Didn't get the job? Frustrated enough over NLUs? Happens."

Well I have never applied for them since I am an environmental lawyer and primarily into litigation.[/quote]
Actually, while every magazine does have the 'right' to rank according to its own criteria, it still has to divulge those criteria, which India Today has not done for the most part. On the few occasions they did, it was found that they did not have enough information about all the law schools whom they rank. And the law schools don't participate. They don't need to, since IT simply goes ahead and publishes the ranking w/o getting in touch with the law schools first, even to seek information.
Delhi Student 13 Jun 2012, 12:27
+0 -0
"Like I said the magazine has a right to rank colleges according to its criteria. If the college is upset with that then it may choose not to participate in the ranking. Simple. "

College don't anyway participate, they kick India Today out of their campus (Example - NLUJ, NUJS). Do some research on that. Even then if India Today is publishing, whose fault? College or the magazine itself. Think logically, why would a university participate in the ranking of a magazine against which it has filed a case (NUJS), and kicked out (NLU Jodhpur and NUJS). But here too, you lack some logic.

"Vacation going on in courts my boy. I am having free time now."

My dear lawyer, a good lawyer would have spent his time on some productive legal work. Trust me. Even in holidays, they dnt get time [PS: I am talking about only "good" lawyers]


"Well I have never applied for them since I am an environmental lawyer and primarily into litigation." - They rejected you by default, I see.
NALSAR 17 Jun 2012, 06:05
+2 -0
Delhi Lawyer: it is rather pompous and presumptuous of you to believe that (i) every student in national law schools dreams of AMSS/ AZB and other corporate law firms; and (ii) if you go work in an NGO or litigate you are serving the society better...I mean really, request you to please go have a look at any half decent book on law and development and it will tell you how important a solicitors job is.

Just coz you or most of your colleagues may have decided (or had no other option but to litigate) to go "into the real world" (as most of you happily say) doesnt by many means reduce my contribution to the "society" or this nation. I pay my taxes and contribute to the process of creation of wealth in this nation. So please, buzz off.

I am going refrain from making any adverse comments on the quality of students etc in the colleges that have made it (and rather surprisingly to the top 5), but please just chill...

Kisi kudi naal bhangra kar jaake pape, yahan par aivi gyaan na baat.
Hunter 25 Jun 2013, 09:24
+1 -0
Who wants to get into AZB?
Jal Cooper 11 Jun 2012, 09:36
+0 -0
Good decision. Rankings can be manipulated and focuses too much attention away from quality.
Solomon 11 Jun 2012, 09:37
+3 -0
LI - You are one helluva online media source. It would be of immense help to the law students and aspirants along with the recruiters if you come up with a law school ranking. Kian? Prachi?
J 11 Jun 2012, 10:16
+5 -0
Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.
Uff 11 Jun 2012, 11:11
+3 -0
Chal be.[quote name="J"]Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.[/quote]
You, my brilliant observer 11 Jun 2012, 11:24
+5 -0
[quote name="Uff"]Chal be.[quote name="J"]Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.[/quote][/quote]


Very true! That college also charges the highest fees and talks about socially sensitive measures and other rot!
Sardar khan 11 Jun 2012, 12:04
+6 -0
[quote name="You, my brilliant observer"][quote name="Uff"]Chal be.[quote name="J"]Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.[/quote][/quote]


Very true! That college also charges the highest fees and talks about socially sensitive measures and other rot![/quote]
Super True!! we also failed to make it to that college on purpose.. after-all law is not all about getting a job at big firms.. We, the mediocres shall rule this world someday, for now it shall just be this forum..
Oh-dear-Lord! 11 Jun 2012, 18:53
+0 -0
and some of us rejected that college and are really happy about it.
Anup 11 Jun 2012, 11:38
+0 -0
[quote name="J"]Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.
LI isn't ignoring the issue; it is simply not portraying the inane and mindless ranking s that magazines like IT come up with. Those serve no purpose apart from confusing would-be law students.
Top Ranker 11 Jun 2012, 12:35
+0 -0
[quote name="J"]Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.[/quote]

Are you from NALSAR or DU?
MOJO JOJO 11 Jun 2012, 12:34
+1 -0
Admin. although we know the hierarchy when it comes to law schools but the lay men still follow what these magazines produce. So why dont you compile a top ten or sexy 10 list of law schools in India or you wont because it involves a lot of research work.

Rsvp
Nalsariite 11 Jun 2012, 13:34
+0 -0
[quote name="Top Ranker"][quote name="J"]Shame on LI for ignoring such a major issue. Perhaps LI is acting on behest of a certain college which never makes in to the top 5 and instead complains against the rankings being flawed.[/quote]

Are you from NALSAR or DU?[/quote]

Cant be a nalsariite Mr Top ranker. We dont care.
Yeah, RIGHT! 11 Jun 2012, 15:28
+7 -0
Everyone knows how much Nalsarites care.
Anon 13 Jun 2012, 09:04
+1 -0
[quote name="Yeah, RIGHT!"]Everyone knows how much Nalsarites care.[/quote]
I thought NALSAR cares enough to put up ads in India Today? ;)
despondent 11 Jun 2012, 16:45
+0 -0
Speaking of the MPL, Kian/Prachi, how come you haven't included the ELSA World Rounds Points to the MPL standings?
kianganz 11 Jun 2012, 17:34
+0 -0
Hi - sorry, MPL's Prashanth has been swallowed by an internship. I hear Jindal got to the semis - we're just contacting the teams and will have a story out shortly.

Best regards
Kian
Neutral Observer 12 Jun 2012, 03:09
+4 -0
Heartiest congratulations to DU, its students, faculty and alumni. Keep it up!! However, I feel instead of ranking every law school separately, law schools should be grouped as Band 1 colleges, Band 2 colleges etc. This whole system of rankings should change.
Law Student 12 Jun 2012, 09:08
+3 -1
This is what I think the rankings should be like; I've ranked these institutions on 6 criterea, i.e Placements, Faculty, Academic Structure, Mooting, Other Competitions and Initiatives, Infrastructure. You can post here to know about the specific college's rank in the various categories, though this is simply an opinion. Check it out;

Rank College
1 NLS-Bangalore
2 NALSAR-Hyderabad
3 NUJS-Kolkata
4 NLU-Jodhpur
5 NLIU-Bhopal
6 GNLU-Gandhinagar
7 GLC-Mumbai
8 NLU-Delhi
9 HNLU-Raipur
10 RMLNLU-Lucknow
11 Symbiosis, Pune
12 RGNUL-Patiala
13 ILS-Pune
14 SOEL-Chennai
15 NUALS-Cochin
16 School of Law, Christ University
17 Campus Law Center-Delhi
18 Jindal Global Law School
19 Amity Law School, Noida
20 CNLU-Patna
21 NLU Orissa
22 Army Institute of Law, Mohali
23 Dr.Ambedkar Law College, Chennai
24 ULC, Bangalore
25 Nirma Univesity
Anon 12 Jun 2012, 11:38
+3 -1
Flawed!

Symbi, ILS, CLC Delhi can't possibly lag behind RMLNLU - Lucknow, NLU Delhi RGNUL Patiala and what have you

These colleges consistently produce good (if not the best) students who get into the same law firms as the rest of the best... and most of the times make a good example of themselves. CLC has such a huge contribution to the litigation sector in Delhi... I'm not sure whether RGNUL Patiala and the Luvknow school can say the same

Also, relatively decent track record over many many years should also count for something... it is simply not good enough to be modelled on a successful formula
Cognitive dietary advice 12 Jun 2012, 12:31
+0 -0
This is a good example of how arbitrarily India Today might have conjured up its list.
Cognitive dietary advice 12 Jun 2012, 12:30
+1 -0
I'm sure most people on this forum agree that college rankings are not an easy task. Magazines do not send reporters or surveyors out to various universities/law schools to do ground level analysis. This is all outsourced. Even opinions of experts are sought out by the hired rankings agency.
Eventually a very superficial analysis is produced with some gloss laid over it to make it seem as authentic as possibly (at least that's what I feel about the India Today rankings).
Rarely is there evaluation of a law school's faculty, teaching methods and opportunities for students that the school creates.
While I take these rankings with a good dose of salt, I would still like to have them around because they stir some debate and competitive camaraderie between institutions and their students. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a segue for LI to slowly start up it's own system of rankings. It wouldn't be a bad idea, and it might generate many more snarky comments than we've had in the past.
UJ 12 Jun 2012, 18:17
+0 -0
Good on you LI.

Even as part of the NLU student fraternity I am tired of lousy students going a 'one-up' on each other in comments.

Also,
It will increase LI's credibility.
xyz 16 Jun 2012, 14:46
+0 -0
Outlook has rated NALSAR as #1. That's the true picture.
anonymous 29 Jun 2012, 10:09
+1 -0
Top 15 law schools / Universities according to me :-
1.Nalsar
2.NLS Bangalore
3.NLU Jodhpur
4.WBNUJS
5.NLIU Bhopal
6.NLU Delhi
7. ILS Law College Pune
8.GNLU
9. Symbiosis Law School
10. HNLU
11. Amity law school / Christ University , School of Law
12. Rmlnlu
13. CNLU , Patna
14. RGNUL , Patiala
15. NUALS kochi / NLU Orissa

*The rankings consist of only the five year law course offering Colleges / Universities / Schools
Basis? 29 Jun 2012, 12:03
+1 -0
NLU Jodhour above NUJS?

NLIU Bhopal above NLU Delhi?

CNLU above RGNUL, NUALS and NLUO?

Indeed very good rankings.