GLC Mumbai may soon cease to be a standalone law college, if Maharashtra follows through on its plan to fuse it with at least three other South Mumbai-based state colleges to form a new cluster university in South Mumbai.
In a report by the Times of India, the government will soon issue a notification to merge GLC with the Institute of Science, Elphinstone College and Government BEd College.
However, the central government has rejected the scheme to fuse HR, KC and Bombay Teacher’s training colleges into one cluster university, and to combine several colleges of the Rayat Shikshan Sanstha.
But a state government official told TOI that Maharashtra would still be going ahead with it, as a central Act is not needed to implement it because all the fused colleges were government colleges.
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While I have some residual respect for the Institute of Science, who can seriously consider Elphinstone college an institution of excellence today (no offense to those studying there)? Worse, has anyone seen the bureaucracy at ISc? Also, why is GLC being aggregated with Government Teaching College?
It is as if they don't know whether to create a humanities cluster (where are Xaviers or Ruia?), a professional colleges cluster (pharmacy, management, engineering, medicine, architecture schools?) or mini university (commerce courses? Computer sciences, physical sciences, nanotechnology?). They have successfully mixed up all of them idiotically, with the only requirement being that they be government colleges. It doesn't matter how well they may work together, how good individual institutions may be, whether expertise may be leveraged across disciplines, or whether colleges may retain institutional autonomy.
If they've thought it through well (I have my doubts), it could be great. But from the names clustered together, it seems as if they are only doing this for adminstrative reasons, which will do little to improve the overall quality of any of these once prestigious colleges.
It's likely they'll only make things worse.
GLC is the first choice for many Mumbaikars who want to enter law, and quite a few others besides. For many in India, it is still the top choice for the 3 year law course, with perhaps DU being the only real alternative. Within Mumbai, Elphinstone comes after Xavier's, Ruia, HR, Mithibai etc. as a choice across many disciplines. It is as sad as Wilson college.
You may note that I still have respect for ISc, which is past its glory days, but can yet command respect because they still get decent students. Some colleges (like Elphinstone) fade more than others.
It is unlikely that you will understand any of what I have explained as you are probably very disconnected to the MU and Mumbai college culture. Your sole purpose seems to be to troll GLC or its running internship culture, of which you are likely jealous.
We Bombayites pay a disproportionate sum in taxes. All other national institutes can't function without our cash. On top of that we fund state institutes. Without us this nation would crumble in a week. A fortnight at most.
This is the city where the metre means something. Where touts don't rule the roost. Thus jugaad doesn't exist here. Pay the specified price and you can get most things done. No toadying around.
In fact we've been top tax payers since Moses wore short pants.
And then these filthy outsiders have the gall to call our colleges shitholes. Trump has given every fool in the land licence to run his mouth.
They should stay in the regions then and eke out a miserable existence . Bloody dehatees.
We can hire a bunch of foreigners from the Commonwealth for half price to drive our taxis, and be our peons. Stay where you are if you think there are shitholes in Bombay. We don't need your kind.
PS - Mate I'm sure girls hate Bombay. I mean they can walk around without getting raped molested or catcalled needlessly.
Bombay leads in income tax collection. Maharashtra (whose most integral part is Bombay) subsidises other states. So yeah I stand by my remark that Bombay disproportionately pays for most Indians' education.
Source -
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-gets-only-5-5-per-cent-share-of-central-taxes-2988095/
[quote]Your only grouse seems to be that folks from outside Bombay shouldn't speak the truth about a Bombay institution. [/quote]
The poster went full Trump and called Elphinstone a "Sithole". I watch Ravish Kumar's segment and I'd never call the dilapidated underfunded colleges he covers as " shitholes". You may tolerate such language. Others like I don't. What exactly are the qualities that define shithole ?
[quote]generated by companies owned and run by outsiders not by local fishermen and dabbawalas.[/quote]
Welcome to the globalised world. Did I say that businesses are owned by Bombayites ? Did city however has been one where trade prospered from cotton to opium.
This has always been a city of migrants. From the great Sir Jamsetjee Jeejjebhoy to David Sassoon. You do know that fisherman aren't the only natives ? Families have lived on this island since before the mutiny.
[quote]These enormous taxes that gives Bombay immunity in your ridiculous worldview[/quote]
Never said that. However shithole ain't criticism. It's a vulgar term best relegated to the likes of Trump.
Bombay by the way accounts for a third of the income tax collected. I wonder why companies and people flock here instead of the Shangri La that is the rest of India ?
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So spare the rest of us your jingoism and go get a real education, preferably in a real college outside Bombay.
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Predictable. So I guess all those poor souls in Bombay are just fakin it huh ? Yet we manage to pay for your "real education".
This is India. Education is dismal all around.
Apart from a handful of one hit pony/specialised institutes there is not a single university (a place that offers arts, science and technical education at undergrad and post grad) that's worthy. And we are the second most populous nation.
Source -
https://m.businesstoday.in/story/no-indian-university-in-top-100-iit-bombay-ranked-162-qs-world-university-ranking-2019/1/278737.html
* This not did.
[quote]Apart from a handful of one hit pony[/quote]
One trick pony.
The closest we have to "best" are IIT Bombay, Delhi and IISC. And even then the word best is being used rather loosely.
ALL IITs IIMS and NITs educate just 3% of students.
Source -
https://theprint.in/governance/iits-iims-nits-have-just-3-of-total-students-but-get-50-of-government-funds/89976/
Along with IIT Bombay, IIT Delhi and IISC the top unis in QS World University Ranking 2019
are -
Indian universities included in the top 300 list are Indian Institute of Technology Madras (IIT-M), which was ranked 264, IIT-Kanpur (283), and IIT-Kharagpur (295). IIT-Roorkee was ranked 381, while IIT-Guwahati was able to secure 472nd place.
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/maharashtra-gets-only-5-5-per-cent-share-of-central-taxes-2988095/
Kanpur is in UP which gets a lot more money than what it contributes. Same with Kharagpur in West Bengal.
Assam too {IIT Guhwati}. Source -
http://www.prsindia.org/administrator/uploads/general/1521201654~~Assam%20Budget%20Analysis%2018-19.pdf
To quote the report -
"The total revenue receipts for 2018-19 are estimated to be Rs 74,119 crore, Of this, Rs 25,643 crore (35% of the revenue receipts)will be raised by the state through its own resources, and Rs 48,476 crore (65% of the revenue receipts) will be devolved by the centre in the form of grants and the state’s share in taxes".
Read the 2016-2017 Actuals in which less than 17,000 crore was contributed by the state whilst 20,000 crores was received in Central taxes and 12,598 crores in grants from the centre.
Even Uttarakhand's {IIT Roorkee} share in Central Taxes is rising. Central tax revenue was 28.3% in 2001/02 and as of 2011/12 it's share increased to 33.8%. A 5.5% increase. Can't find any English/bilingual sources for recent budgets.
So the three arguably "best" unis in India are in three rich places. The most recognisable educate 3% of students. Not the best by the way which are just a few IIts lingering in lower rungs of the top 200 to top 500.
The rest that make it on the QS rankings are funded mostly by Central taxes { West Bengal and UP}. And Uttarakhand's dependency on Central funds is increasing precariously. Delhi of course is the state capital so that's a given.
All that matters is money in India sadly. That's why everyone wants to be an engineer or an IAS wallah to loot. Don't kid yourself. Our academics are pathetic. All we Indians want is a shiny piece of paper. Placements are the only thing that matter for the most part.
Pray tell which great uni do you hail from ? Or don't, however at least research a bit.
Sample the following:
"wash us Bombayites feet";
"filthy outsiders";
" every fool in the land";
"should stay in the regions then and eke out a miserable existence";
"Bloody dehatees"; and
"half price to drive our taxis, and be our peons".
Is this the new low for LI, or do you actually promote this to boost number of hits?
No offence to the person who posted this, everyone is entitled to their views.
And in my view, there is no need to attach regionalism to a discussion regarding a particular educational institution. Mumbai is not the best in many ways, and while pride is one thing, the city miserably needs improvement.
With respect to taxes, it is a common misconception that Mumbai pays taxes. The companies who have their registered office in Mumbai sell their goods and services all over the country and make money, and pay taxes out of that profit. It is not that people of Mumbai buy all the goods and services resulting in the profit. Please also note that most of those companies are filled with "outsiders", who run the show, and you would be hard pressed to find "locals".
(PS: I was born and brought up in Mumbai, and I live here!)
"wash us Bombayites feet";
"filthy outsiders";
" every fool in the land";
"should stay in the regions then and eke out a miserable existence";
"Bloody dehatees"; and
"half price to drive our taxis, and be our peons".
Is this the new low for LI, or do you actually promote this to boost number of hits?
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The comment I replied to said " shitholes". You seem to take no umbrage to that.
[quote]Mumbai is not the best in many ways, and while pride is one thing, the city miserably needs improvement.[/quote]
I agree it needs massive improvement. Yet compared to other cities in India for its size Bombay is amazing by far. We can't control migration that's the reason why the city is so dirty and crowded. And housing is so expensive.
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With respect to taxes, it is a common misconception that Mumbai pays taxes. The companies who have their registered office in Mumbai sell their goods and services all over the country and make money, and pay taxes out of that profit. I[/quote]
And why do companies come here ? Must be something that attracts them. We have been at the forefront of commerce since before the mutiny. Also Bombay region leads in income tax collection.
[quote]It is not that people of Mumbai buy all the goods and services resulting in the profit. [/quote]
Maybe you ought to read about how economics works. There is this thing called trade and free markets. That's how the modern world works. Places offer services and goods. We are not in the mediaeval era anymore. We don't operate on susbsitence levels.
[quote]Please also note that most of those companies are filled with "outsiders", who run the show, and you would be hard pressed to find "locals".
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Define a local. Are the parsis local ? The sindhis who came over in the 40s and are at least 2 generation old ? The gujus and mardwadis who came over during the British era ? The pathans, bohras, Khojas and memons who migrated during the British era ? The Anglo Indians ? The south Indians, goan Christians and other Christians from konakan region who've lived here almost as long as the Sindhis and gujjus ?
These people mentioned above have no " native place".
They may have ancestral links of course but at least 2 generations have been born in Bombay.
And they're doing fine aren't they by and large ?
Most of the above mentioned communities have lived in Bombay longer then Thackerays and Maharastrians !
Yet it's due to Marathis that Bombay hasn't infested into a rape filled dystopian hell hole. Or an uber conservative boring city. Our alcohol tax is high not because of puritanical leaning but because the State Govts receive so much money.
We may have Marathi signboards but they're next to English ones.
You do know that law and order is needed right for a city ? Guess who provides that ? Along with efficient management at mid level ? Walk into Saifee a Muslim hospital and it's staffed by Marathis because they're great administrators.
All these people are locals. We could stop migration now and Bombayites will pull together. We've survived terror attacks. We went to work as soon as we could. We didn't sit around crying and asking the govt to help us.
The outsiders are those who refuse to integrate and boast about how back home it's all peaches and cream.
Bombay's always been open to non natives.
[quote](PS: I was born and brought up in Mumbai, and I live here!)[/quote]
As if that adds any weight to your argument.
Birla - Mardwadis who made their fortune in divers places including Calcutta and now seated in Bombay for a while. I wonder why they left Calcutta ?
Godrej - Founded by a Parsi from Bombay.
Wadia group - Started by building a dry dock in Bombay. Been living in Bombay for a fair while.
Pallonji Group - Started in Bombay. Main head is a tax exile.
Essar Group - Founded in Bombay. Newcomers. Ruias for some reason live in Bombay. Don't have any plans to move out.
Reliance - Got it's start in Bombay. The bros are bombayites and so are their children. Newcomers yet they're not gonna leave Bombay anytime soon. Not proud of them but what're you gonna do ?
HDFC - Founded in Bombay by a man who was raised here.
HDFC Bank - Founded in Bombay.
RBI - Central office moved to Bombay in 1937.
SBI - Amalgamation of Bombay Madras and Calcutta banks. HQ in Bombay for some reason.
These are but the biggies.
All these companies either began in Bombay, made their fortunes when they relocated to Bombay or through Bombay's docks, were started by people who ages ago migrated to Bombay, started by those born and/or raised/schooled in Bombay or are run by people who live in Bombay and have no plans in the near future of leaving the city.
In case of the two banks HQs shifted long back to Bombay for some reason.
Source -
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.83305
Read Pg 30. The original side wasn't abolished.
Later on solicitors were abolished as an obligation yet most Original side work is bifurcated.
Until the NCLT Bombay HC's original side was one of the best courts for commercial cases.
Income Tax appeals are also heard at the Bombay HC.
SEBI was established in Bombay.
The oldest stock exchange and the premier one in India was founded in Bombay by a man who moved to Bombay as a child and was educated in Bombay.
Its precursors were stock traders meeting under trees.
The reason I mention all this is, that Bombay has conspicuously been identified with trade and commerce. And it has institutions that promote it.
Unlike other parts of India people don't have an hostile outlook towards business. Bombay has always welcomed business and provided services.
Let's see Bombay's crime rate shall we ?
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-mumbai-top-rape-cases-conviction-rate-poor/article2574638.ece
Bombay had 194 rape cases to Delhi's 414.
Delhi's the most dangerous metropolis.
In fact if adjusted by population Jabalpur, Bhopal, Faridabad,Visakhapatnam and Indore are worse. Lovely cities huh ?
Remember migrants abound in Bombay. I'm not saying locals don't commit crime but a healthy proportion of Bombay's rapes are committed by immigrants. Even then per population wise Bombay's safer.
https://m.economictimes.com/crime-capital-delhi-reports-40-pc-of-rape-cases-in-19-cities/articleshow/61867820.cms
According to the above -
Delhi reported 33 % (13,803 cases of 41,761) of crimes against women last year. Bombay followed at a distant second with 12.3 % (5,128 cases).
Delhi reported 38.8 % of the total number of crimes under the Indian Penal Code, followed by Bangalore (8.9 %) and Bombay 7.7 %.
Wow so Bombay's third. Huh.
Delhi reported the highest number of murders with 479 out of the total 2,194 cases (21.8 %), followed by Bangalore with 229 cases (10.4 %) and Patna with 195 cases (8.9 %).
Bombay's not even in the top 3 for murder. Huh.
Delhi reported the maximum number of cases under economic offences 5,942 cases (19.3 %), followed by Jaipur (4,742 cases, 15.4 %) and Bombay (4,191 cases, 13.6 %).
So let's see -
Fewer rapes overall by far than Delhi and much safer then other cities if adjusted by population.
Third when overall crimes are concerned. 1% fewer crimes than Bangalore.
Not in the top 3 for murder.
Third for economic offences. Almost 600 fewer cases.
All this whilst sustaining a herculean migrant population (people who work here send money back home). Something I don't think Patna, Jabalpur or Jaipur deal with.
So yeah Bombay's a real hell hole. Maybe you should leave for Patna or Jabalpur.
If you prefer a large city maybe recommend Delhi or Bangalore ?
This doesn't mean Bombay's beyond reproach. However India ain't a pleasant place and for a large city,
Bombay's the best. Much improvement is needed. No doubt.
By that logic I guess we should've never liberalised the market. Why trade with outsiders ? There's no difference between world economies. Since companies sell goods to everyone and provide services world over, I guess every country is rich. Not the places where tax is paid.
[quote]Please also note that most of those companies are filled with "outsiders", who run the show,[/quote]
They come here and settle down because compared to other cities there is lower crime and the govt is business friendly and due to investments done since the British Era. Why do so many people live here ? Our income tax collection is higher than everyone else.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/income-tax-collection-grows-at-26-2-mumbai-zone-registers-138-increase/articleshow/59180629.cms
For a city with max 2 crores population 33% of income tax comes from the Bombay region. Wonder why ? If this city is that bad why oh why do people come hear by the thousands ?
I'm sure we really suffer due to lack to research.
Pray tell me what are the great unis of India ? Not one uni India has been ranked in the top 100. In fact IIT Bombay is ranked 162.
Merit ? Reservations, parents in UP blatantly cheating which results in people people confusing poli sci with home science and a system based on rote learning wherein you need 98.5% to read for ENGLISH LITERATURE (not classics or Sanskrit) at DU. If only the rest of the world adopted our high standards.
Source -
m.businesstoday.in/story/no-indian-university-in-top-100-iit-bombay-ranked-162-qs-world-university-ranking-2019/1/278737.html
Education is rubbish in India. Those who can afford it go abroad for an actual education. Other then that education in Indian unis is bad quality.
All that matters is the degree that's it. Sad but true.
So jerk off while you collect MAs and PhDs.
You non Bombay wallahs run the bloody national govt both administration and legislature. And look what a pig's breakfast you've made of the whole thing.
We had three Unis established in the 19th century. Bombay madras and Calcutta.
Along with 20 + colleges other unis and specialised institutes before independence.
2 Nobel laureates were produced from 1857 to 1947.
Only 1 academic Nobel laureate since then. 1998 Amartya Sen who only completed his BA in India and taught in India for a while. Was also VC of Delhi University (which is at what rank in the 2018 rankings ?)
Most of his work was done abroad. His PhD at Cambridge. Poverty and Famines published by Oxford.
So tell me where are these great colleges in India which put MU to shame by being equals to foreign ones ?
Cutoffs ain't the only thing.
If that was the case DU students would be Nobel Laureates by a country mile and our civil service must be filled with geniuses because so few get in.
I was infuriated that an outsider has the sheer gall to call a college in Bombay a shithole.
This article is about Bombay and the first comment was decorous and constructive in its criticism.
Then some idiot came along running his mouth.
Mumba devi temple was built in 1635. 100 years after portugese who called it bom bhaim. Mumbai is the official name only from 1996. I call it Mumbai officially. This is a free country.
My family has been here on this island since before the mutiny. I have no native place or village. YOU and your chauvinist ilks are the outsiders.
Before you go crazy, the last line was in jest. I think all marathis are my brothers. I don;t however like this language chauvinism.
And you take no offence to that ?
Fake.
"Bombay" - your arguments are contradictory, but possibly you don't realise that, and I won't try to educate you.
You refers to "outsiders", and then suggest that the city was developed by immigrants, and cite examples.
You throw statistics to suggest Mumbai is the best, while totally missing the point, that just because you call yourself a Mumbayite (sorry, you prefer to say Bombay), you have no right to deprecate (so called) outsiders.
Mumbai works, but that because of people who come here and live here, and no you can't appropriate their hard work by referring to all of them as "we".
Also, are you suggesting that people from "outside" come here and commit rape and crimes. Sounds familiar?
That fact that I am from Mumbai doesn't add to my argument, but it only goes on to show that not all Mumbaites are like you!
As I wrote above, I am not going to continue this further.
@Kian: allowing all this bigotry in comments? really?
And I've pointed out that I consider those who were born here locals.
Maybe you're okay with people using the word shithole. I ain't.
Crime's committed by all. Never said that. I said a healthy proportion is committed by migrants.
Everyone works here because they're paid. However there are people who choose to raise children here, integrate and don't refer to colleges " shitholes" are not outsiders. I don't follow that son of soil theory.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/fall-from-glory-teacher-holds-up-a-mirror-to-indias-oldest-law-college/article25100223.ece