Gov to pass 25% NLSIU reservation bill from 17 Feb, with softer push for 47.5% total state seats • NLU-D students oppose 50%

Tuesday, 28 January 2020 By Legally India Law schools

The Karnataka state government has said it would table the NLSIU Bangalore 25% state quota bill on 17 February, and added that it kind of expected the university to also reserve another 22.5% of seats to Karnataka resident SC/ST (scheduled caste and tribe students).

“Apart from the 25% reservation, we were under the impression that the law school was providing seats to local Karnataka students under the mandatory SC/ST quota. But it turns out that it is not our students, but those from other states who have been given seats under the SC/ST quota,” [Law Minister JC] Madhuswamy said.

— Deccanherald

Mind you, its amendment bill wouldn’t make this additional 22.5% requirement explicit, perhaps wary of the previous government’s 50% reservation attempt that had been shot down by the governor in 2017.

Instead, the law minister said that it would be NLSIU’s constitutional duty to provide the additional seats “so, we will take it up with them”.

NLU Delhi students, meanwhile, have protested against plans to impose a 50% local reservation, which we had first reported on 15 January, with a letter to the Chief Justice of India (CJI).

In the open letter, reportedly, the students state:

apart from greatly jeopardising the national character of our institution, as borne by its very name, the notification also denies to all applicants from the National Capital Region, residential accommodation within the university…

Furthermore, due to the National Capital Territory’s distressing record on female safety, the notification disproportionately impacts potential female applicants, who may be forced to lose out on quality education due to factors beyond their control, worsening the already skewed sex ration prevailing within our university…

Our humble prayer is that the Hon’ble Court take such steps as it deems just and necessary for ensuring that the residential nature and national character of our university is not diluted, so as to maintain the high standards of education offered at our institution and to ensure that the same remains accessible to individuals from diverse socio-economic backgrounds, and not merely to those with the good fortune of having lived in a metropolitan city like Delhi, who form but a microscopic minority in our country still.

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Comments

Aha. 28 Jan 2020, 11:56
+1 -12
See the linked article in Deccan Herald. The tone has changed so much - "we well them. Why can't they share seats?" Looks like GoK is realising the heft of the Law School lobby that its riding up against.
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 12:48
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[img]https://media1.giphy.com/media/NipFetnQOuKhW/200.gif[/img]
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 13:29
+12 -0
Lol! Such delusions of grandeur!
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 19:11
+0 -11
This comment is correct. The NLSIU lobby is too strong and reservation will not eventually happen.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 06:58
+17 -0
Ghanta!
Guest 7654 31 Jan 2020, 09:37
+0 -4
Sudhir will surely block this move. He should be the first one opposing this tooth and nail.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 10:04
+3 -1
He's off to attend weekend seminars instead.
Y 1 Feb 2020, 05:12
+2 -0
Why though? Why is the assumption that Sudhir would oppose this? He’s a born and bred Bangalorean , he knows Karnataka has great schools. And his university is battling a huge deficit. Why would he not try to appease the state government for a chance at greater funding at minimal cost?
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 12:36
+22 -16
How is sex being 'rationed' inside NLUD exactly? Do the students need to show their Aadhar card to get their due quota of it? Or is a signed permission from RS needed?
John Kennedy 29 Jan 2020, 12:57
+13 -9
Hahaha. So funny you are.
Oswald 29 Jan 2020, 14:43
+10 -13
That he is. Less than the idiots who publish open letters without proofreading though. And these people would then become interns and drive us all crazy.
John Kennedy 29 Jan 2020, 17:07
+12 -7
This is clearly a pointless argument since it serves no purpose and you intellectuals in the comments section are already prejudiced, but just to clarify, the open letter doesn't have it as "ration". It was a typo from the link that these LI guys copied and that had the mistake. You can read the letter on the Bar and Bench website, if you're that keen (I know I was). So, it goes without saying, that using hard words like "idiots who don't proofread" is uncalled for irrespective of how much you might not favour NLUD or its students (I am not from NLUD, btw). But for the record, I always appreciate a great sense of humour since clearly the standard of jokes by lawyers these days is declining. He is not funny.
Oswald 30 Jan 2020, 00:53
+5 -13
He is. And you are dead. So go rest in pieces.
John Kennedy 30 Jan 2020, 04:03
+10 -8
Geez. Calm down, buddy. You seem to have some serious sour grapes about something. Maybe because you feel NLUD might be better than the law school you went to (otherwise, there doesn't seem much reason for you to really bother). You're not as smart as you think you are, so why don't you get back to work? That diligence isn't going to do itself.
Oswald 30 Jan 2020, 05:25
+6 -13
It's funny how you keep projecting your own self on to others, Jackie boy! For example, you assume I care about silly little people like you playing king of the hill around tiny state universities like NLUs of little relevance.
John Kennedy 30 Jan 2020, 05:59
+12 -4
Oooh, aren't you a big-shot successful legal genius (with a lousy sense of humour)? I assume you care because you evidently took the time out of your "busy" schedule to respond to me. Why, then, has a (wo)man of your high stature reduced yourself to lounging around the comments section on a topic that you yourself claim is irrelevant to you?
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 05:32
+4 -13
@John Kennedy: Shouldn't you be doing the same yourself, considering that you seem to be hardly a first year associate, if not a law student yourself? By the way, since you aren't from NLUD either, why are you bothering with this if not to troll?
John Kennedy 30 Jan 2020, 06:07
+11 -5
Your incorrect psycho-analysis of my situation aside, I will be getting back to my own work soon. But I would like to state that, unlike most of the legal luminaries in this LI comments section, I am a bit more open-minded and concerned about the general issues faced by prospective and current Indian law students (since I was also one) and the dilution of the quality in NLUs, rather than engaging in sarcastic (and unfunny), ill-intentioned mud-slinging about any specific law school.
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 07:56
+3 -8
Yaar, dono chill karo! Let temperatures slither down to Delhi in December.
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 18:18
+3 -3
The bill can very well have 47.5% quota as a provision rather than a soft requirement. The governor cannot return a bill twice. He has to accept it the second time. He rejected it the first time under pressure from the NLSIU lobby, which had deep links with the Congress govt. Not happening this time.
But. 29 Jan 2020, 04:40
+2 -0
This isn't the same bill as the previous one. Wouldn't it count as a fresh one?
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 18:19
+2 -5
60% NALSAR quota bill will be passed next month.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 04:32
+1 -0
Source?
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 06:59
+15 -3
Fertile imagination, what else? That's the existing essential standard for LI commentators.
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 18:21
+3 -1
Can't all NLU students collectively approach the SC seeking national status for NLUs?
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 04:29
+22 -3
They can, because most of them are probably ignorant enough to think that the court has the power to designate institutions in that manner.
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 18:27
+3 -10
MNLU Mumbai should request the Maharashtra govt for 90% domicile reservation in MNLU Aurangabad and Nagpur but 0% in MNLU Mumbai. That can propel MNLU Mumbai to #1 in the long run.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 04:28
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Let them beat GLC Mumbai in the short run first. So far, they have not done even that.
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 20:37
+1 -0
We need a proper list of how many non-reserved seats are available each NLU and the percentage it represents.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 08:57
+8 -0
With several NLUs having horizontal reservations of various kinds in place, that may not give a proper picture at all.
Guest 28 Jan 2020, 20:42
+2 -6
NLSIU seat breakup will now be as follows:

- 80 seats total
- 20 from Karnataka in general quota
- 5 from Karnataka in SC/ST quota
- 15 in all-India SC/ST quota
- 20 in OBC quota
- 10 in EWS quota
- 3 foreign nationals

Total reserved seats: 73/80
- Open merit seats: 7/80.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 07:01
+16 -5
NLSIU does not provide OBC, EWS quota at present, nor does the Bill require it to do so. You are worse than a CLAT aspirant in terms of knowledge.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 05:29
+20 -4
All idealistic talks of diversity in classroom aside, the concentration of cow-belt students in law schools in recent years has done absolutely nothing to improve standards of legal education or even civility in those places. I for one am thankful that domicile reservations are being introduced. Let people bug their own state governments to set up good places to study law for a change. Many of these students are now insisting to converse and communicate only in Hindi even inside the law school. Nothing to do with their ability to speak/write English though.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 06:55
+4 -13
This is a shameful and disgusting comment. You belong to the DMK/Garga Chatterjee camp.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 07:20
+15 -2
It's accurate though. Ask anyone from any leading NLU who's been there for a while and who can afford to be frank. Sad, but true. Not sure whether domicile reservation is the right answer though.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 08:14
+11 -2
Why, exactly? If one's elected state government prefers to focus on building cowsheds, temples and statues, then why should other states focusing on building educational institutes of repute pick up that additional burden? Force your own government to use public funds for things that matter.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 06:59
+1 -3
But cow belt students are already being kept out now by making the CLAT based more in English comprehension. So why have domicile reservation?
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 05:35
+0 -0
Kian, can you please contact the petitioner in this PIL (Law Prep Tutorials) which is seeking that NLUD joins CLAT? It would be good to have an update on the case status. I searched the High court website but no hearing dates are listed.

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/11792009/
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 07:04
+6 -0
Nor would there be any. In the absence of any qualification necessary to designate an institution as an 'NLU', the court cannot possibly force any institution to join CLAT. The position of NLUD in this matter is the same as any other state university teaching law. They can't be forcibly enjoined to CLAT either. That's the reason why an MOU needs to be signed every year by the participating NLUs. It's a contractual matter at present.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 05:42
+0 -0
See Kannada news report on NLSIU below. The real news is in Kannada media and social media. Demands are being made for 80% reservation for locals.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPVRblYU4AEy2DM?format=jpg
Nlu shimla 29 Jan 2020, 06:36
+0 -6
Good news ! State should have more stay in nlus as they are practically state institutions. It will instill more competition amongst each state having nlus.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 06:51
+1 -1
Update: NLSIU students and alumni are seeking appointments with the governor and CJI to lobby against the bill.
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 07:05
+9 -0
Isn't the seeking of appointment for such reasons itself a part of lobbying?
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 06:57
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[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOuZB9SU0AAPglf.jpg[/img]
Guest 29 Jan 2020, 19:01
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NLUD will maintain NIRF second spot, since other NLUs having domicile quotas means everyone will lose same points in diversity category. Also, Delhi students are smart and well-connected, so student quality and placements will remain very good.
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 02:46
+5 -9
Aww...such cute attempts to douse the fire from a troll! NLUD placements have not matched that of NLSIU, NALSAR or NUJS till date though, despite all the 'connections'. Hope that happens soon. If Delhi people were that smart, they would do something to make the air of that city resemble less that inside an abattoir.
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 02:59
+5 -2
If Delhi students are so smart, why don't they comprise the bulk of NLUD's batches already even without domicile quota? At present, not more than 15% of the student community actually come from Delhi.
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 03:43
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I pray that NLSIU gets 47.5% reservation. In the long term the college's reputation and student quality will decline, but that of other NLUs will improve and the playing field will be levelled. For example, many star graduates of NLSIU had CLAT ranks in the 40s and 50s. These people will now head elsewhere.

NLSIU's conversion to a local college for Kannadigas will also end their arrogance and false claims of being the Harvard of the East
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 05:22
+7 -3
Venomous prayers are seldom answered. You should probably get some therapy instead.
Guest1 30 Jan 2020, 06:14
+2 -5
Yes, as opposed to non-venomous prayers that are often answered! (not defending or commenting on the original post)
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 15:19
+3 -0
https://www.barandbench.com/news/domicile-reservation-at-nlsiu-soon-to-be-a-reality-karnataka-law-minister-jc-madhuswamy
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 20:15
+5 -1
NLSIU is violating the law by not implementing EWS and OBC quota.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 02:46
+4 -5
No, it is not.
Guest 30 Jan 2020, 20:23
+1 -0
BREAKING NEWS: Karnataka Law Minister has spoken to Bar & Bench on domicile issue:

https://www.barandbench.com/news/domicile-reservation-at-nlsiu-soon-to-be-a-reality-karnataka-law-minister-jc-madhuswamy

Kian, may I suggest that you also reach out to politicians on issues like lgeal education, foreign law firms, judicial reforms etc. Politicians these days are very active on social media and easy to reach.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 04:58
+4 -2
They don't care about anything meaningful and constructive. Only meaningless populist sops like domicile quota.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 07:06
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[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPVRblYU4AEy2DM.jpg[/img]
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 07:25
+5 -0
Kian, I am disappointed with LI's coverage of the NLU quota controversies. You are just reproducing MSM reports. We need the following:

1. In-depth analysis of how many seats are reserved at each NLUs (SC/ST/OBC/EWS/foreign national/NRI-sponsored/domicile) and the number and percentage of "open" merit seats (i.e. non-reserved seats) in each.

2. Interviews with coaching centres to understand what the sentiment is among CLAT aspirants amidst this uncertainty. Will preferences change from 2021?

3. Allegations of Hindi belt students with weak English skills cracking CLAT: Is it true? Did this lead to domicile quotas? Is this also why the CLAT format has been changed?

4. Views from different NLUs, both students and alumni. Analysis on whether NLUs in big cities and states with history of good schooling will benefit from domicile quota (Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Kolkata etc) versus other NLUs (Raipur, Patna, Bhopal etc).
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 09:19
+2 -0
Given the horizontal quotas that several NLUs apply these days, you can't have an accurate number of 'general' seats at each law school any more.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 10:02
+0 -2
The governor rejected the bill only as it was a non-BJP govt and an NLS alum with connections in the govt lobbied against it. The bill can now be sent with even 80% quota if needed.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 10:03
+0 -1
Can NLSIU still lay claim to be being the #1 law school if 47.5% seats are quota seats?
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 13:11
+3 -0
Yes, because it still leaves all other NLUs well behind in terms of graduate outcome and reputation. If the former starts to slip after the next 5 years when this batch with quotas would graduate, assuming it does slip, then one can revisit the scene. Not before that.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 10:06
+2 -2
NLSIU is indeed the Harvard of the East (i.e. Eastern Karnataka).
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 13:12
+2 -5
Didn't make it through I see.
Guest 31 Jan 2020, 20:08
+0 -1
Please note that domicile reservation in Delhi/Bengaluru/Kolkata does not necessarily equal to Punjabi/Kannada/Bengali reservation. These cities are cosmopolitan and have school students from different communities. The idiot politicians of these states will soon realise that.
Guest 1 Feb 2020, 04:44
Featured
+2 -1
NEWS ALERT: For the first time in many years NLSIU is advertising for faculty positions (13 in all). Details here. An ad has also been placed in TOI.

https://www.nls.ac.in/academics/faculty-recruitment-2020-2/

This is the beginning of Sudhir's strategy to recruit A-grade faculty. Many good candidates will surely apply.
Guest 1 Feb 2020, 04:57
+1 -0
SHOCKING: This tweet openly alleges that an MNLU Nagpur prof is sexually harassing a student

https://twitter.com/SoumitraChoubey/status/1221516268026511360
Guest 12 Feb 2020, 08:26
+0 -4
NUJS is being attacked for not having enough merit seats, but that is only because it is complying with the law and implementing SC + ST + OBC + EWS + PWD quota. Other NLUs are not. I am totally against quota, but you cannot blame the college for following the law.
Guest 12 Feb 2020, 11:51
+0 -2
It still has 44 such seats out of 127. Which is acceptable given all the categories of reservation and the state domicile policy.
Guest 18 Feb 2020, 18:56
+0 -3
It is now 18 Feb but the bill has not been passed. It seems the NLSIU alumni lobby has won yet again. No domicile reservation happening!
Inspector bhinde 19 Feb 2020, 17:15
+0 -0
Time for nluj to have it's share of reservation
Guest 19 Feb 2020, 17:38
+1 -0
They are already quite reserved down there. Any sign of exuberance is deemed an indicator of future unrest and hence frowned upon.
Guest 20 Feb 2020, 21:28
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[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERH73VeUcAAKYeE.jpg[/img]
Guest 26 Feb 2020, 20:51
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NLSIU domicile quota is NOT HAPPENING.
Guest 27 Feb 2020, 09:19
+0 -0
TOI: Dog bites six Gujarat National Law University students

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/74291758.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

These idiots will not cover #NationaliseNLUs but instead this nonsense.
Guest 27 Feb 2020, 12:32
+1 -0
What will they cover about it? Not a single NLU engaged in any meaningful protest till date. On the other hand, that dog is almost a lawyer now after having bitten so many. Manan Mishra should make it appear for the next AIBE.
Guest 27 Feb 2020, 13:39
+1 -0
I might like to have some of those victims as interns, especially given the sense of exuberant entitlement that so many interns show these days. After all, as the saying goes, once bitten, twice shy!
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