JGLS, NLSIU break into 100-200 global best law schools in QS world university rankings [UPDATE: QS methods explained in-depth]

JGLS, NLS crack global QS law school rankings
JGLS, NLS crack global QS law school rankings

Two Indian law schools, NLSIU Bangalore and JGLS Sonepat, have for the first time found a place on the global QS World University Rankings by subject, law in the 100 to 200 ranks out of 894 law schools globally.

JGLS pipped NLSIU on all of QS’ ranking criteria, including academic reputation, employer reputation, and its scores significantly exceeded NLSIU’s in academic citations (see more details below).

JGLS, whose parent institution Jindal Global University (JGU Sonepat) had made it into the top 1,000 QS “world college rankings” last year after a benchmarking initiative, has entered the global law school rankings in position 101 to 150.

NLSIU Bangalore, for which it is the first time in QS though it has been part of the university’s stated aim for at least two years to enter, has debuted in the 151-200 ranks.

We don’t have any information at present that any other law schools in India have tried for the QS rankings, though one would imagine that several other Indian national law schools (with arguably stronger research output than NLS), should be able to make it if they were to try for it.

Breakdown

JGU law ranking scores
JGU law ranking scores
JGLS’ and NLSIU’s scores were almost the same in academic reputation (67.7 and 65.3 respectively) and employer reputation (83.4 and 29.3 respectively), with JGLS scoring a sliver more points than NLSIU.

However, unsurprisingly considering NLSIU’s permanent faculty hiring freeze for more than a decade and JGLS’ rapid expansion on the same front, JGLS’ so-called “H-index citations” and “citations per paper” metrics are nearly double NLSIU’s (see charts above and below).

NLS law ranking scores
NLS law ranking scores

JGU founding vice chancellor Prof Raj Kumar said in a press statement: “It is an extraordinary and unprecedented ‘institutional moment’ for JGU to witness history as its first school, the Jindal Global Law School, is ranked number 1 in India and among the top 101-150 in the world.”

This year too, JGU had an “Office of Ranking, Benchmarking and Institutional Transformation (ORBIT)“, with its directors Prof Ashish Bharadwaj and Prof Arjya Majumdar noting in the press release: “Having been recognised as the number one law school in India, JGLS is well-positioned to make a significant research-driven contribution towards building a just, inclusive and democratic society.”

The rankings game and its importance

Global law toppers
Global law toppers

The top five global law schools in the QS rankings are Harvard University, University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, Yale University and Stanford University.

The QS university rankings are pretty prestigious globally, particularly in the Anglophone West, having formerly collaborated with the Times Higher Education (THE) magazine, which is part of UK-based The Times newspaper.

Since 2010, THE had been doing its own competing ranking, however, and the company it had collaborated with, Quacquarelli Symonds, had continued the QS World University Rankings by itself (in part as a marketing effort for its global educational and careers fairs, though the research unit operates independently from its events function).

While QS is one of the more authoritative rankings of universities globally, its reach in India had been more limited to date. But with JGLS and NLSIU now having entered the fray at least in the legal field, that could change.

That said, it exists alongside the Human Resources Development (HRD) Ministry India Rankings Society (IRS) system (formerly the National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF), which is arguably still more influential domestically due to greater Indian university participation.

Arguably, QS’ value for Indian law schools would still lie primarily in building a global reputation, which has been very much JGLS’ aim (and is literally in its name). That in turn could attract international faculty and students, something most national law universities have not really focused on to date.

We have reached out to NLSIU and QS for further comment.

QS explained

Update 19:35: We have spoken to QS Quacquarelli Symonds regional director Ashwin Fernandes, who has explained the methodology behind the global subject specific rankings in more detail.

First off, said Fernandes, for the subject ranking, “all the data is collected independently by QS” based on information coming from outside the university, and there was “no submission by the university at all” required to be included in the subject ranking.

Particularly, the research output metrics are based on a law school’s papers and citations in academic papers listed in Elsevier’s research database Scopus and not on any submissions of the law school of its own journals or publications, he said.

As such, it was possible to improve the ranking of a law school by strategically pushing for its faculty to publish in more journals that were part of the Scopus database, explained Fernandes.

The other main limbs of the subject specific rankings were the academic and employer reputation of a college.

“In employer reputation we run a global survey every year,” said Fernandes. “Last year we had 45,000 employers around the world and what they tell us [about] which universities produce the best graduates for them.”

Again, that research was independently carried out by QS. However, the company does ask law schools for its list of “top 10” recruiters, which then form part of the corpus.

So if a law school participates on this front by putting forward its most active recruiting law firms and corporates, this would effect its score positively. “You would aid yourself by providing these contacts,” he noted about law schools submitting such contacts, though participation from recruiters was entirely optional. However, such recruiters would likely also reference other top law schools meaning that submitting law school were “not just aiding themselves”.

The academic reputation metric consisted of a survey of primarily international academics. “International reputation is much more valuable in the QS ranking,” said Fernandes. “Any university ranking which has international repute, would do better.”

When asked whether JGLS and NLSIU or other Indian law schools had made active submissions for inclusion in the world rankings (which, unlike the subject specific rankings also have an explicit submissions process), Fernandes said that such applications were confidential.

Fernandes explained that all in all, the rankings and research unit of QS, also dubbed its “intelligence” wing, was independent of any other commercial activity of QS, such as its student fairs and events managing arm, though the rankings did include some commercial elements in its QS stars system. “But the rankings unit itself is independent but does not have any obligations [towards the commercials],” he said.

Update 22:04: The breakdown between the four criteria in compiling the ranking is:

  • Academic reputation 50%
  • Employer reputation 30%
  • H Index 15%
  • Citations per paper 5%

Comments

Guest 4 Mar 2020, 07:06
+4 -17
Two minutes silence for anti-Sudhir TLC lobby. Sudhir worked behind the scenes to make it happen.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 16:53
+14 -6
Do you mean to say this was part of an underhanded deal?
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 09:37
+5 -4
True. Infact NLSIU is the only school in rankings. JGU is a corporate University. JGLS did not individually debut on the rankings. Still nls managed to debut being the only standalone law school.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 07:10
+11 -6
NLUD will make it next year under Srividhya Raghavan's leadership. She has already said this in her Lawctopus interview:

[quote]going global is the next step for a school of NLU’s stature. The school has several centres and areas of expertise. The next step is for the school to have a global impact
[/quote]

https://www.lawctopus.com/interview-of-srividhya-ragavan/
Jaswal 4 Mar 2020, 11:14
+9 -8
I too will take NLUD global! Choose me!
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 07:17
+7 -5
The universities in the same bracket as NLSIU and JGLS are top class. Nagoya University and Osaka University in Japan are among Asia's best and have produced Nobel laureates. National Chengchi in Taiwan is also very prestigious. Considering all this it is certainly a great achievement.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 07:19
+6 -21
I disagree with his ranking. NIRF has a better methodology. There are no points awarded for CLAT preference status, average salary, LLM scholarships, moot court wins etc. In the end this is what matters, which is why only NIRF counts in India.
Guest 11 Mar 2020, 05:00
+0 -0
Denigrating or finding great debating negative points to spar about another's success ain't going tobtake the other institutes far I'm afraid. Looks like that's what happens when a challenge to the blind belief of mera institute acchaa arises by someone else improvin
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Examiner 4 Mar 2020, 07:30
+19 -29
NLSIU, NALSAR, NLUD and JGLS are clearly the Big 4 Indian law schools. Eventually, these will be the Indian law schools on the QS rankings for the next few years and battling for supremacy.

We then have a "Little League" of tier 2 and tier 3 law schools, where the Big 4 are NUJS, NLIU, NLIU and GNLU, with MNLU possibly making an entry in future. It's difficult for any of the Little Leaguers to crack the QS ranking, but a target can be set for the 250-300 slot by 2030.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 08:47
+23 -10
Try landing more jobs than your 'Little Leagues' first, there's a good chap!
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 09:32
+27 -8
I wonder if some people suffer from congenital birth defects that they try to convert every bit of positive news into a pissing contest. Even if it means making up completely baseless and random lists.
Executioner 4 Mar 2020, 13:04
+16 -7
Ranking wale baba thoda reham karo aur thoda sharam bhi
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 07:35
+1 -0
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the NLSIU SBA did not join the #NationaliseNLUs campaign. Next step is Institution of National Importance status, for which the Karnataka BJP government will make an application in exchange for domicile quota.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 07:38
+7 -2
JGLS is smart to hire young NLU alumni as faculty.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 09:37
+12 -7
Even more than that, they are actually hiring people who prioritise research over other activities including teaching. Latter won't help you much when it comes to ranking. Research and publications and institutional practices matter there the most.
Ram Jethmalani 4 Mar 2020, 07:43
+1 -1
Hmm... Interesting
NLU Kid 4 Mar 2020, 10:24
+32 -10
I would still prefer Nalsar NUJS NLIU NLU J NLU Delhi and GNLU over JGLS. Their placements are outstanding in much smaller batch sizes. Much better student pool. Much lesser fees etc. Legally India should bring back its Mooting Premier League and Recruitment power rankings to give an idea on how law schools are performing in a real time basis.

P.S. nothing against JGLS. Congratulations for your QS rankings but it matters less in the real scheme of things in legal education in India. With batch sizes as big as 500 odd students most students do very poorly after leaving jgls.
Jiggles 4 Mar 2020, 12:08
+10 -4
Actually most students don't sit for placements as they either go for higher studies or they join their family practice/business.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 12:22
+12 -10
Good way of avoiding disappointments. What percentage of those who sit for placement end up getting a job?
Jiggles 4 Mar 2020, 12:57
+12 -14
About 97%
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 16:55
+10 -6
And you still don't reveal that stats to the public? Or did this happen in the year when JGLS claimed to have secured the best placement among Indian law schools and then quietly pulled that piece off the official website after it had been called out as blatant misrepresentation?
Guest35 4 Mar 2020, 17:22
+13 -4
Um. Don't want to burst your bubble or anything, but LI did publish a story wherein the Jindal grads have secured some pretty good placements. Being from an NLU myself, I was quite surprised to see this.

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-wins-solid-2019-placements-with-60-firm-corp-jobs-29-go-biglaw-23-lit-94-rcc-strike-rate-total-batch-of-395-20190518-10314

Even if you go onto their website, there's a placements section wherein you can view their placement reports. So I don't quite understand your claim of not revealing stats to the public. Large batch size notwithstanding, this is pretty good considering the number of students who sit for placements is quite similar to the ones who sit for placements at NLUs.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 18:25
+7 -12
I meant the stats that were being cited by Jiggles. I never claimed JGLS never reveals any stats anywhere. In fact, given their PR, had their students ever secured 97% placement, then they would have been hired a chartered plane to write that up in the sky probably. They didn't, so it's unlikely that it has actually happened. The piece you mentioned is not a Day Zero reflection, but a total annual placement. If you compare it with the Day Zero/total recruitment of NLSIU, NALSAR, or NUJS, it comes as a distant fourth and certainly not in the same league yet, unlike some of the claims being made. A decent start, definitely.
Jiggles 4 Mar 2020, 19:04
+4 -3
About 97% of the students who opted to sit for placements were able to get placed. I wasn't talking about the entire batch.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:18
+2 -4
The stats available in the report doesn't even support that claim. Which is what's problematic with so many claims about JGLS.
Guest15 4 Mar 2020, 19:40
+11 -1
That notwithstanding, they've only been around 10 years. Still seems pretty remarkable to me.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:19
+8 -4
So has NLUD. They offer similar levels of recruitment at a fraction of the cost.
Guest15 5 Mar 2020, 11:05
+7 -1
True. But not everyone can get into NLUD. Or any other NLU for that matter. As for the 'fraction of the cost argument' if you're in the 95-99 percentile in LSAT, you get a pretty decent fee rebate, which after subtraction is just a little more than fees at NLS. I don't see why one wouldn't do that and still opt to go to another private college, which other than a possibly settled alumni base, does not offer a better comparative advantage.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 17:32
+4 -5
Does it really come down to that low? This has long been a point of argument. NLSIU currently charges less than 2 lakhs p.a. JGLS' fees are around 8 lakhs p.a. all inclusive. What's the percentage of a typical JGLS batch of around 600 who would be getting 75% or more fee waiver? Because only then would the fees be comparable. The second point is NLSIU's low student strength, which means almost all of their faculty get to teach all their students. In JGLS, that's certainly not the case. Therefore, just because I am a JGLS student and my university has a stellar researcher with multiple top-notch presentations, that doesn't mean he would get to teach me, in which case he's not adding much value to my education. Th third point is about recruitment. NLS is of course miles ahead in that field, and even assuming that a lot of JGLS students don't need a job, it still means that those who do need jobs would be better off at NLS, in which case I assure you that alumni would play a highly crucial role.
Gues7 5 Mar 2020, 19:30
+1 -0
Firstly from what I hear, there are easily close to 100 students within the 95-99 percentile range. If you're from Haryana, the fees you pay is even lower.

You can choose to conjecture and theorize how you will. From what I hear of friends studying there, even if their supposed 'star faculty' do not teach them, the alternatives are as good if not better. Also, how a professor adds to a students education is for the student to decide, not you.

Again, did you miss the point about how it was to get into any NLU and not NLS?
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 18:01
+1 -1
That's certainly not accurate. I too know of students studying at JGLS, who have said that many of their classes are taken by people very green behind the ears, like SRAs or JRAs with almost no teaching experience, who aren't good teachers at all. Of course, there are good and excellent teachers too.
Gues7 6 Mar 2020, 22:30
+0 -0
Sure, but the fact remains that student reviews will be based on how they absorb what's being taught to them. Every students experience is different, but the fact remains that Jindal does it's due diligence while hiring faculty, be it for RAships or JRAships or professorships. How students value that education imparted is upto them.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 05:58
+2 -0
So are you saying that when a JGLS student finds a faculty there to be sub-standard, the problem lies with the student solely and not the faculty? Then one can make that argument for every bad faculty member in any institution. Further, if the student is so bad, how did he secure entry into the university to begin with? You can't have it both ways. What due diligence? They see a foreign degree, they mostly end up taking that person. I know of several people who joined those RA positions, but lacked any interest for academics in their undergrad life. The fact that they managed to get a foreign LLM subsequently doesn't change that. If one entrusts the teaching to such people (without any teaching experience to speak of), then the fault lies with the admin and the system, not the students. Mind you, I am not saying all the faculty there are bad, there are some very good people too. But this overall pretty picture sought to be portrayed is highly misleading. Plenty of bad apples there. Even people who have had to leave their early universities in disgrace have joined the JGU ranks on the strength of their foreign degrees.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 18:04
+4 -4
Not that remarkable if you consider their access to almost unlimited funds compared to any NLU. Places like NALSAR, NUJS etc. achieved better recruitment stats with their first or second graduating batches at much less cost to students and with much less resources at their disposal. Of course, one may argue that the competition was also less back in those days.
Superman 6 Mar 2020, 22:37
+2 -2
So you do concede that the competition was less. Post liberalization, the competition for jobs in every sector has increased manifold. Recruiters are now swamped with applications by several law students from different law schools, so to obviously filter out, they would rely on alumni from NLUs, which were anyway given a first mover advantage. Placing 94% of the students who sit for placements in a hyper competitive job market with a hardly existent alumni base (vis a vis NLS NALSAR NUJS etc), being in existence for less than 2 decades, is quite commendable.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 05:59
+2 -1
Again with the 94%. Do the math, please.
Salman Ka Fan 7 Mar 2020, 06:07
+2 -1
@Superman: Bhai, liberalisation took place in 1990s. Apart from NLS, no other NLU existed back then. Kuchh toh history padh liya karo! The earlier NLUs have mostly kept on increasing their Day Zero numbers with time, despite all the competition. I am not saying JGLS is doing badly either. But claiming that it is doing better than the NLUs in graduate outcome and careers at present is completely false (despite what some are commenting here).
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 05:41
+0 -3
Why disappointment? The average JGLS kid is the son/daughter of a multicrorepati Senior Advocate/business owner, so the amount they will earn by joining the family enterprise will be much more than what CAM will pay them.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 19:40
+3 -3
Which they could have done without spending 40 lakhs at JGLS in five years too.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 03:33
+1 -3
Why? They have money to spend, so might as well get a degree from a decent university with 5 star accommodation.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 06:04
+5 -1
So essentially JGLS' main attraction is the 5-star acco? Because the quality of education imparted is clearly not being tested if you aren't joining the industry or practice on the strength of such education. Thank you for the clarification.
JGU 6 Mar 2020, 22:14
+4 -2
If you've never been a student at Jindal, I suggest you keep your opinion about the 'average student belonging to a crorepati family' to yourself. Unfortunately, many simply assume that because of the high fees only such people attend the university. There are students belonging to 'crorepati' families yes, but at the same time there are students who come from humble middle class backgrounds, who work hard to continually renew their scholarships. So don't put us in the same boat as your stereotypical Jindal student boat, which is anyway a problematic characterization as is.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 05:51
+2 -1
Humble middle class background? How many from a batch of 600? And how much actual fees do they end up having to pay? This info is important. It may actually help dispel the myth that you referred to. The entire facet of available scholarships and actual amount thereof are for some strange reason not very accurately advertised by Jindal, unlike their other activities and facilities on offer.
JGU 7 Mar 2020, 10:54
+2 -2
I have only shared my own experience with the place. Take it as you will. I am not a part of the administration to know why they don't flourish their scholarship figures. If you wish to find out more, please contact the admissions office or the JGLS scholarship committee for more information. Alternatively, take the Jindal administration to court for misrepresenting their claims (I'm sure you have enough and more credible evidence for the same) and fleecing poor students. This is a matter of public interest is it not?
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 15:13
+1 -1
No, it isn't. As a private university, they are free to charge whatever they want to. Students who are going there know what they are getting into. I have a problem with anyone claiming that the place isn't for the rich and well-heeled in the absence of any stats to the contrary. You are making such claims, so you provide the stats. All the stats that I need to support my claim is the quantum of the fees.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 17:00
+8 -7
Then share the list of top scholarships secured by them in the last 5 years. Your official was asked to do that here last time he visited (using his own name that is) and pointed out some random linkedin post which lacked any stats apart from a host of platitudes. He never returned. One does start wondering after a while...
GNLU1 4 Mar 2020, 17:40
+3 -4
I've also seen that post. Truth is, if you graduate from Jindal, chances that you'll actually need a scholarship are pretty low as most can pay the high fees demanded by foreign colleges. Having said that, there are a couple of students who do need financial aid and thus apply for scholarships. The said official did mention a few scholarship names but did not disclose the number of people who secured these schols. I guess the number would be less, given the economic standing of many of the Jindal grads. Nevertheless, even if they can't secure schols, many would inadvertently take on high interest rate student loans.

In this regard, I guess it would be unfair to compare solely on the basis of scholarships. While it is an important metric yes, you would do a better job comparing things holistically.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 18:19
+6 -7
Unless you have secured a scholarship, merely getting entry into most of the foreign universities is not an indicator of an achievement anymore. Given the financial constraints those places are under, any above-average (and several below-average) students also get entry every year if they can pay for themselves. I have no objection to that, but such events ought not be cited as instances of stellar graduate outcome by anyone, which was being done in this case. As for that official, regardless of his personal integrity, I tend to take any claim made by Jindal officials with a pinch of salt unless backed up by stats. They have had way too many instances of making tall claims without substance or claims made as window dressing to do otherwise. Being a private institution, I guess that's par for the course.
GNLU1 4 Mar 2020, 19:47
+6 -4
I don't agree. It is quite difficult to secure scholarships, even if you're from an NLU given that the international competition is immensely fierce. There are many from GNLU itself who are pursuing higher studies without a scholarship in colleges like Oxford, Kings, NUS, NYU etc. I doubt they're lacking in financial support. As for paying hefty fees and getting a foreign degree, the same is done by NLU grads too. Coaching centres also market these as a part of graduate outcomes in joining an NLU. So I don't particularly see anything wrong in Jindal officials doing the same thing.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:22
+7 -1
So what random coaching centres do is what we should consider as standards to aspire to? You can do that, I won't. Again, there's nothing wrong with JGLS officials showcasing the places where their graduates go to for higher studies. So long as they don't use it to bolster misrepresentations that they are the number one law school in the country. Their graduate outcome still doesn't support that statement. As long as they aren't claiming that it does, I'm fine with it.
Guest15 5 Mar 2020, 11:06
+3 -2
Err. Well if QS places them higher than NLS, I guess it doesn't matter what JGLS claims.....
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 12:49
+4 -2
QS does not consider graduate outcome as a metric at all. It's rarely of any concern to law students who are trying to build a career that the university has in its ranks a happily employed who's going to spend a year working on 3 SCOPUS publications. Not that doing that is bad. I'm just trying to point out that these rankings shouldn't be the only determinant for one's choice of a law school. They don't always reflect the market reality across jurisdictions.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 22:14
+1 -0
Correct. QS uses US-centric parameters to rate Indian law schools, which is not appropriate. In the US, faculty plays an important role in student choice. Because the US is an advanced economy and there are more jobs and more diverse jobs for law school grads (unlike India), recruitment stats don't matter so much if you get into a top 10 US law school for a JD.
GNLU1 6 Mar 2020, 22:46
+1 -1
Certainly what coaching centres do is not the benchmark. But when you consider that many students end up blindly listening to what their 'mentors' and teachers tell them at coaching classes, my point still stands.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 06:00
+1 -2
No, it doesn't. The fact that a faculty practice is in place spreading misleading info doesn't make that info accurate. Back to your CLAT logical reasoning days you go.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 21:28
+7 -3
Er...the list was already shared. From just the first two graduating batches there were recipients of the Chevening (Shireen), Commonwealth (Kush), Columbia Human Rights (Kudrat) and Oxford Cornelia Sorabji (Navya, nor progressed to DPhil). No Rhodes yet, but 2 to 3 constantly shortlisted every year and the scholarship has anyway been restricted to 1 law student a year now, with even NLSIU missing out.

Not sure if you're an NLUite or traddi, but time to look inwards.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:23
+3 -3
I still fail to see how that's the 'best' of all Indian law schools, as claimed by some.
Alias 4 Mar 2020, 14:08
+7 -17
Jindal is pretty good at the PR game. Congratulations for that and well deserved! It’ll still take them a while to catch up to the likes of NLUD, Jodhpur and GNLU, leave alone NLS, NUJS and NALSAR. They are however on their way perhaps.
JGLSAlum 4 Mar 2020, 14:41
+18 -3
We have a very large batch. While this often leads to dissappointment when it comes to placement (even NLS will have a hard time placing 400 kids), it is also a strength. Even if 20% of us make it, it is good enough comparable to a NLS batch. So in the coming years, when JGLS alum start reaching at decision making positions, the JGLS students will start reaping dividends just like some of the older established NLUs do. The larger batch will help accelerate that.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 15:08
+13 -1
The clarification from QS is very helpful. Basically, it means as follows:

1. Both JGLS and NLSIU approached QS and submitted a list of top employers (I'm guessing a mix of foreign and Indian law firms). A confirmation from Rahul Singh will be helpful, as he is on record saying that NLSIU is targeting QS.

2. As JGLS and NLSIU have MoUs with multiple foreign law schools, they got good references from abroad.

3. JGLS strategically asks profs to publish in good journals, while NLSIU profs have also managed a few.

If this is the formula, then NALSAR and NLUD should definitely give the rankings a shot. However, NUJS, NLUJ and NLIU will not make it as they do not have good international collaborations and publication output is low.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 16:58
+11 -6
As per NIRF data from last year, the publication marks awarded to NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS were more or less the same. You can check yourself instead of making random claims. NLUD had actually secured the least marks of these four on quality of publications, but got more marks when it came to volume of publications.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 17:02
+6 -3
How many foreign firms have hired from JGLS in the last 5 years and how many students? I'm genuinely curious to know the stats. This isn't meant to be a snide comment or anything.
Guest 4 Mar 2020, 21:32
+9 -4
White and Case and HSF that I know of. Some examples:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/theresa-puthumana-59598a56
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/asmita-singhvi-b20b29112
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/chetna-reddy-9599a3125
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/tulika-gupta-8017b988
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/chetna-reddy-9599a3125
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:24
+3 -2
Again, how's that the 'best' of all Indian law schools then?
Gues7 5 Mar 2020, 11:08
+0 -2
Because QS doesn't solely focus on foreign placements and looks at a bunch of other things (as per this article).
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 12:50
+3 -3
I'm not talking about the QS rankings, but the individual claims of JGLS having become the best law school in the country.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 22:15
+2 -2
Ask that to QS, you dumb troll.
Congratulations Jindal 4 Mar 2020, 18:56
+7 -6
So, other things remaining same (read fees), Jindal Global Law School can be preferred over all other law schools in India!
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:25
+5 -0
As an employee, or someone who can't do without plush infra, yes. As a student who's looking to build a career, there are other available and cheaper options. Like the NLUs.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 00:29
+9 -5
The desperate comments attacking JGLS are from frustrated, weirdos. The type who are posting messages saying coronavirus is man-made. These people need a girflriend and a life!
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 04:49
+11 -4
JGLS receives a lot of flak because often people ostensibly from there make ridiculous claims. For instance, their graduate outcome hasn't yet matched that of the top NLUs yet (may in future, but difficult considering the huge batch strength). Their faculty strength and overall quality are probably better, especially given the huge salaries and perks involved. Again, when it comes to teaching, given the huge batch size, not everybody would get their star teachers, which is understandable. Their infra is certainly the best. While a progressive and efficient admin, policies and huge resources account for a lot of the achievements, on the flipside, you need to show that after spending almost thrice the amount compared to NLUs, whether students from there are doing better in all fronts from NLUs, if you are a student making such a choice. So far, that isn't the case. Again, that may change in future. Till then, simply saying that JGLS is the best possible destination of all Indian law schools is premature. It's a good place undoubtedly. But if one gets through to say, NLSIU, which isn't that far behind in the ranking either, at a fraction of the cost and far better alumni base and graduate outcomes, one would have to be rather foolish to opt for JGLS at this stage. Especially with people like Sudhir in charge of NLSIU, who can match the JGLS admin in vision if not resources.
Gues7 5 Mar 2020, 11:10
+0 -3
Well, take it up with QS then they seem to have made an error on this point of graduate outcomes....
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 12:52
+4 -0
I have no intention to. QS clearly reveals that it doesn't take into consideration the point of GO. It's just another ranking about certain factors of the university. If people are foolish enough as to consider that this ranking makes JGLS the best possible law school in the country involving all metrics that a law student should take into consideration, let them.
Well and Good 5 Mar 2020, 04:47
+1 -3
But the marketing blitz by Jiggles is quite something. A dedicated conference with the VC and reps from QS? So much for seeming independent, rather than being lobbied by. There is no question that Jiggles has the best research output by faculty, when it is an open secret that it hires people to be on the rolls with limited obligation to teach, rather sit in some centre and publish away to glory while they also get time to build up resumes for PhD applications.

In any case, I am pleasantly surprised that Law School has managed to break into it. Because there really has been very little focus as far as we can tell. Rahul Singh made this a target, sure. But did the geriatric brigade actually buck up and do meaningful research? Commendable if that has started already.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:30
+11 -1
No ranking in the world is independent in that sense. Everybody uses contacts and PR to push their own cause. NLUs can't do that, but that doesn't mean JGLS shouldn't if it can.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 04:49
+1 -1
Jindal is advertising on the front pages of many national newspapers today. They must have spent a few crores for this. NLUs do not have such financial resources as they are funder by state govts. It is high time to demand NLU Nationalisation.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 04:53
+11 -7
Forget JGLS, it's a big deal that NLSIU made it but not NALSAR and NLUD. Faizan and Ranbir are so PR conscious, but they missed the simple task of submitting their recruiter list and list of academic references abroad to QS, which does not cost any money. In comparison NLSIU does no PR but got this right.
NLS Alumnus 5 Mar 2020, 18:47
+11 -8
Spot on. If JGLS and NLSIU were alert enough to get included in the QS ranking of 300 Law Schools globally, we must find out what happened with their nearest domestic competitors such as NALSAR Hyderabad, NLU Delhi and WBNUJS Kolkata. It is a huge embarrassment for these 3 Law Schools to miss out. Another point of reflection for NLSIU faculty members, current students and alumni is that NLSIU could have appeared in these rankings many years ago if not for the absolute neglect of basic academic processes (faculty hiring, curriculum reform, enforcement of standards in teaching and evaluation of students, attendance norms) during the RVR regime between 2009 and 2019. NLSIU could have easily been in the Top 50 Law Schools globally by now if it had been run with some integrity over the past decade.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 18:32
+3 -4
How is it that NLSIU was being alert by waiting for over 30 years to apply for a global ranking, but the other NLUs were being negligent by not applying for the same in that very same year? I mean, what sort of consistent standard do you even use?
NLS Alumnus 7 Mar 2020, 19:49
+3 -1
You have misunderstood my comment. I am making two different points which don't need to be tied back to a common premise. NLSIU could have easily appeared in the QS rankings (and other international rankings) years ago if it's past administrators had paid attention to faculty hiring and creating conducive conditions for publishing in credible journals. That is a criticism about how NLSIU has been run. The other point is about why well-regarded institutions such as NALSAR, NUJS and NLU Delhi have not appeared in these rankings. That is a criticism of these three institutions in particular, but does not in any way detract from the separate point about NLSIU's much delayed entry into these rankings. So your allegation of an inconsistency is just a diversion from the topic rather than a meaningful response.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 05:24
+1 -3
You started with if NLSIU and JGLS were alert enough to get included etc. That doesn't tie up with your subsequent clarification. Had NLSIU tried for this 3 years hence, you would have said 3 years hence why NALSAR et al didn't try in that year to get included. Why would one NLU has to apply in the very year another one does? For that matter, i don't see why any NLU has to do this at all. If they keep improving themselves and do good work, rankings would come after them instead of vice versa. This focus on show and PR campaigns should remain the bailiwick of the private institutions who need it to attract students.
Guest 11 Mar 2020, 15:44
+0 -0
I agree. Poor academics at top NLU s. What makes them click so far is getting bright hard working small batches. And an acive alumni. The admim a d faculty at top NLU s cant do PR cant teach with notable exceptionss cant rsearch or do placements or international colla orations. You got THAT right
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 04:58
+3 -1
Kian, it's great that you spoke to QS and discovered the methodology of submitting recruiter names and SCOPUS publications to QS, but can you please follow up with NALSAR/others and check if they are doing the same next year? Surely the NALSAR recruiter list and SCOPUS publications are just as good as NLSIU? Please chase and don't let this story die like many other stories in LI.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:07
+1 -1
PSA: Here are the Indian journals listed on Scopus:
- Indian Law Review (to be listed from mid-2020 onwards)
- EPW
- JIPR (IP law)
- Contributions to Indian Sociology

A good law/humanities professor should easily be able to get at least 1 article a year published in one of these and boost the college's score.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:27
+6 -0
All of these are too inclined to public laws. The options available to a faculty specialising in corporate and financial laws in India are quite limited insofar as Scopus is concerned. The rest I agree with you. However, that's assuming the institution actually allows the teachers sufficient time to research instead of overburdening them with useless admin tasks. A lot of NLUs are guilty of that.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 22:19
+0 -0
IP isn't public law, apart from areas like health and pharma. What about trade marks and brands, tech patents, entertainment industry copyrights, trade secrets etc?
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 15:09
+6 -0
The fact that EPW features as an academic journal in SCOPUS whereas the likes of several law reviews from Columbia don't, speaks a lot about SCOPUS. EPW isn't even an academic journal in the truest sense of the word, at least when it comes to law! One can publish 1500-2000 word long opinion columns in it without any references to research undertaken if one has got the right connections. That's why this hankering after SCOPUS recognition is amusing to the point of being ridiculous. You don't need to see the indexation of a journal in order to fathom the worth of an article published in it and from there opine about the author's scholarship level! Just read the freaking article and 9/10 times a person properly educated in law would figure out whether it's a good one or not.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 22:20
+0 -3
The US journals you speak of are student edited, not peer reviewed/
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 12:43
+2 -2
My goodness, the degree of ignorance that you display is astounding! A host of top law journals in the world, including peer reviewed ones, choose to stay out of SCOPUS owing to the financial controversies involved.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 00:07
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[quote]A host of top law journals in the world, including peer reviewed ones, choose to stay out of SCOPUS owing to the financial controversies involved.
[/quote]


Absolute rubbish. There is no financial payment needed. Various US journals are excluded for being student edited and not peer reviewed.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 05:26
+1 -0
Several non indexed journal editors (not students) have revealed that indexed journals are often asked to either donate or bring donations of substantial amount. Are you honestly claiming that every international journal of repute that's not Scopus indexed is not peer reviewed? Because that's the only claim that's rubbish.
Wonder 8 Mar 2020, 05:35
+0 -0
Are there any decent alternative journal indexing services similar to Scopus, like Google Scholar, JSTOR, etc, that allow searching by author's university / citations?
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 05:44
+2 -0
GS would let you search and find the list of publications, but the author can self edit too. Hence there's no guarantee of only quality journals being listed. Independently, GS can trawl the NET, but would only get the open source stuff.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 05:48
+2 -0
The best thing is still to ensure that you read the articles to ensure their quality. The scholars should maintain a profile online with a copy of the papers. This whole reliance on publications in paywalled journals that rarely actually lead to info dissemination as sole determinant of scholarship is certainly unhealthy.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:09
+0 -3
Hey Kian, pls ask the other useless NLU VCs why they did not apply if NLSIU could do it.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:14
+4 -6
WE DEMAND RESUMPTION OF MOOTING PREMIER LEAGUE AND RECRUITMENT RANKINGS BY LEGALLY INDIA!!!
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:24
+13 -0
I demand that you use caps only as grammar demands. Spare our eyes, please!
Bill Carson 6 Mar 2020, 09:47
+6 -0
The use of capital letters should be reserved for declaration of third world war only.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 05:19
+11 -10
I agree with the view that only NLSIU, NALSAR, NLUD and JGLS will feature in the QS rankings. Other NLUs don't have the connections abroad to hack the Academic Reputation score and don't have the faculty to publish in Scopus journals (some profs can barely speak English).
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 06:14
+8 -6
You don't know even 10% of the faculty elsewhere, so your opinion about their capability is completely useless, much like your contribution to any positive development. There are several people teaching elsewhere with multiple SCOPUS publications to their names.
Guest 5 Mar 2020, 23:30
+3 -5
Kian, I think you are friends with the NALSAR VC, right? So please ask him why he did not try for the QS ranking and if he will do so next year. The task is very simple: just submit a list of top recruiters from the RCC (30 points employer reputation taken care of) + a list of foreign university contacts who can give a reference for NALSAR (50 points academic reputation taken care of) + in the meantime ask professors to publish in international journals (20 points citations and H Index taken care of).
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 05:28
+5 -5
NALSAR is ahead of NLSIU in the QS parameters overall, so the college must submit data to QS. Please ask the VC to get off YouTube and focus on this!
Honest advice 6 Mar 2020, 05:52
+12 -13
I advise all law aspirants to follow the top 10 ranking below:

EMPLOYER PERCEPTION/FUTURE RECRUITMENT PROSPECTS

1. NLSIU
2. NALSAR
3. NUJS
4. JGLS (rise after QS and Institution of Eminence success, will eventually be #2)
5. NLUD (drop expected as Srividhya will probably be denied VCship by TLC lobby, faculty exodus after their candidate takes over)
6. MNLU MUM
7. GNLU
8. NLUJ
9. NLIU
10. RGNUL

FACULTY:

1. JGLS
2. NLSIU (big improvement after expected influx of NLU alumni by Sudhir)
3. NALSAR
4. NUJS
5. MNLU MUM
6. GNLU
7. NLUD (big drop as faculty exodus after TLC lobby candidate becomes new VC)
8. NLUJ
9. NLIU
10. RGNUL
Swami Krishnaswamy 6 Mar 2020, 07:02
+12 -1
Jai ho! Jai ho ranking wale baba ki!
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 05:56
+11 -8
No hope for NUJS to enter QS. The NUJS of Menon/Chimni/MP Singh and of Bhat/Talukdar/NKC are worlds apart. The faculty are mostly TMC stooges and the students are least interested in improving the college. It has just been reported that the TMC govt has given 5 acres of prime land to IIM Cal despite being a central institution. Why can't NUJS SJA demand a similar favour? Why not request the land next door given to a third-rate leather technology college, and instead ask them to shift elsewhere?

https://www.ndtv.com/education/iim-calcutta-allotted-land-for-satellite-campus-in-new-town-kolkata-2189295
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 06:44
+6 -9
No hope for you to ever become a rational human being. Let alone a lawyer. You are doomed to remain a troll forever, alas!
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 06:52
+6 -8
What the hateful irrationality in 25's comment fails to reveal is that NUJS has been given even better land (right adjacent to the current campus) over 3 years back. Unfortunately, unlike IIMC, NUJS didn't have success to sufficient funds back then to commence building. Plans however, are under way now. Not that I think that state government did the university any favour, it's the least that they could do in return for the interference. As for NUJS' chance to enter QS at some point, we have to see whether it does or doesn't. Personally, these rankings seem more like a fad, be it NIRF or QS, which rarely takes into consideration the socio economic or educational reality across jurisdictions, but doing well in them really doesn't harm the universities, so I've got nothing against those. So long as the universities focus on their primary goals, which is to provide accessible quality legal education to the bright students who go there every year.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 09:50
+5 -6
Now that JGLS has got Institution of Eminence status and ranked 1 in QS, they are likely to apply for NIRF ranking in 2021, which they have so far kept away from. They will use IOE and QS to lobby for a top 3 NIRF rank and it can very well happen. Cunning strategy. Below is a quote that the VC had given to TOI in 2018:

[i]We did not apply for the National Institutional Ranking Framework (NIRF) because the methodology used in the Indian rankings systems including NIRF, does not capture what we do in a holistic way. ... At some point we will participate in NIRF too, but at the moment we focus on international rankings. [/i]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/there-has-been-a-historic-prejudice-against-private-universities/articleshow/66600397.cms
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 09:58
+6 -8
Two pics to troll JGLS haters:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESUqV4xUwAAqu4s.jpg[/img]

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESRli9vWAAEGjYP.jpg[/img]
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 12:34
+5 -1
Ok Jiggles.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 12:38
+4 -2
As the poster suggests, JGLS is the number one law school in India out of only 2 law schools in India. xD
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 12:40
+6 -2
The first one shows that JGLS has PR money to spare. I've got a feeling so does the second one.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 16:35
+1 -6
This remark is potentially contempt of court if you are suggesting that the judge pictured takes money from JGLS, and potentially defamation if you are suggesting that the MP pictured does.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 17:12
+4 -2
While your remark certainly establishes complete lack of any potential whatsoever insofar as you are concerned.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:19
+2 -2
What does the first picture signify? You have to answer to Number One Nature's Call?
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 10:05
+1 -9
NLSIU cracked QS with severe handicaps. Once the new faculty drive is completed, it will overtake JGLS and reach the top 100. Eventually, the rankings will stabilise to NLSIU (top 100), NALSAR (top 150) and JGLS (top 150).
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 12:30
+4 -7
Only true and official ranking is NIRF. Any comment giving fictitious own ranking must be banned by website moderator. Even QS ranking cannot be accepted as America standards cannot be applied in India.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 12:36
+5 -7
Then NIRF ranking should only be used in the states where the BJP is in power. Since the other states have rejected this government. Go on, try that road.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:18
+3 -1
JGLS is already an IoE, so if they join the NIRF, they'd probably end up beating NLSIU and others in those parameters too, like it or not. Then again, KIIT is also an IoE. I'm not sure what NIRF rank it had last year.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 16:38
+0 -7
Comments praising NLSIU and Sudhir are being downvoted, but comments saying that NALSAR and other NLUs should try for the rankings next year are being upvoted. Such jealousy and insecurity among certain NLU students!
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 16:45
+4 -6
Dear Justice Sanjay Kishan Kaul and Dr Shashi Tharoor: Instead of celebrating JGLS, please focus your attention on improving NLUs via INI status and greater funding. We expect more from both of you and are disappointed that you are celebrating a private law school for the rich. JGLS students ride BMW cars and do not need your support. Please support NLUs.
Guest 6 Mar 2020, 17:13
+6 -2
Tharoor is rich. He doesn't care. He identifies more with JGLS than with NLUs.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 03:24
+1 -6
Exactly. The Lutyens elite prefer to visit JGLS. They even offer Mercedes limousine pickup for VIP guests and speakers . In contrast, most NLUs will struggle to find money to give their VIP guests Uber reimbursement.
Superman 6 Mar 2020, 22:22
+5 -4
JGLS students also have home and education loans to pay. Readers of this magazine have long been stuck on the spoilt brat characterization of JGLS students, based on a few isolated interactions. If you were to call an NLU student a slacker based on isolated interactions, people like you would be the first to say that it is not reflective of the law school. Why the differential treatment?
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 05:53
+5 -3
Students have home loans to pay? As for the loans, it's the students' choice to study at that place, whereas the graduate outcome clearly shows that the investment (in terms of fees paid) is certainly not commensurate with the returns received, at least not yet. So portraying the students here as vulnerable people only desirous of getting access to education is certainly not merited here.
Superman 7 Mar 2020, 10:15
+2 -2
I wasn't even on the point of "commensurate returns". The point was that despite what people like you portray about the place, there are students who still have loans to pay, and that not everyone is a "crorepati" or a Lutyens elite. Unless you deny the existence of such problems, which is in itself problematic. Don't talk about things you don't understand, without having ever studied in the university or knowing the experiences of people like me who have to continuously work hard to retain my scholarship, with my family paying from their hard earned savings for my education. I do not come from a big city, and am frankly appalled with the fact that you believe "portraying the students here as vulnerable people only desirous of getting access to education" is not a point for discussion.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 15:10
+2 -2
Again, why were you studying there if not to get commensurate returns? There are cheaper options available. If you are saying you couldn't crack CLAT and hence chose the best of the private universities, that's your call. If you are saying you chose JGLS over cheaper NLUs, again, that's your decision. Till you provide cogent stats about the percentage of scholarship students out of the 600 and the actual fees they pay, anybody would consider them to be a minuscule minority.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:15
+2 -0
Anyone paying 40 lakhs in 5 years doesn't come from less privilege. That's the answer to your question. I'm not saying that makes them incompetent.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 02:49
+7 -4
There has been a big demographic shift in NLU students. The majority are from Hindi and vernacular-speaking, lower-middle class backgrounds. In contrast, the elite students (who once dominated NLUs) are flocking to JGLS as they cannot get good enough CLAT ranks. Thus, JGLS can manage internships and jobs because these students have the right connections. Also, they speak English well and are confident, which helps crack interviews. Even the government and judiciary does not care about NLUs, and children of IAS officers, MPs and judges all go to JGLS nowadays. They reward JGLS with Eminence status but refuse to care for NLUs.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 06:01
+4 -6
By that logic, JGLS students should be having the best Day Zero results every year, better than even the tier one NLUs. They aren't. Hence your premise is clearly faulty.
Alias 7 Mar 2020, 08:04
+5 -1
The change in the demographics of NLUs is true, though. Not sure if "elite" students actually flock to JGLS, however. While the BIMARU states' students in the top NLUS are able to get jobs based on their CGPAs and the NLU tag, they still underperform when it comes to co-curricular law school activities. Over the long run (along with increased reservation), this could seriously affect the quality of NLUs and their attractiveness for upper-middle class English speaking students. They might choose to go abroad instead. It may actually beneficial for the metro-city NLUs to have domicile reservation in such circumstances, but we can't be sure at this moment.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:13
+4 -4
Lower middle class background? NLUs charge at least 10 lakhs in 5 years, most even more than that. Your concept of lower middle class in this country seems quite divorced from reality.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 03:30
+8 -4
In the 2014 Legally India recruitment rankings JGLS was ranked #5 for its very first batch recruitments, after NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS and NLUD. So even back then it was in the top 5. Can't understand why haters are so keen to diss JGLS when even Legally India scientifically ranked it #5 in recruitments 6 years ago.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 06:02
+4 -8
Legally India never did any formal recruitment ranking ever. Stop spreading lies!
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 07:12
+8 -5
Then what is this? You can clearly see that LI did a recruitment ranking.

https://www.legallyindia.com/201412175443/Law-schools/jgls-recruitment-2014
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 07:31
+4 -7
A. There was no scientific basis to it, as the article itself indicates if you read it.
B. LI has JGLS as the only advertiser of all the law schools mentioned, so expecting neutrality is foolish.
C. Even in the comments section, Kian finally confessed it was a work in progress and had he been sure about the veracity and the methodology of the study, he'd have repeated it in subsequent years, which he didn't.
D. The info provided by JGLS is always going to be suspect unless verified by external independent sources, because of their propensity to engage in PR stunts. They have been caught at such earlier on several occasions, such as when they lied about having the best day zero ever of all Indian law schools, only to withdraw it surreptitiously from their website without issuing any subsequent apology. They actually have people employed full time to do these PR exercises.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:03
+5 -3
"Kian confessed". LOL. Stop spreading hate and fake news. It is a fact that LI did both a mooting and recruitment ranking but stopped it for some reason. The conspiracy theory is that it was stopped because NLSIU was slipping in both and refused to share data with LI.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 15:07
+4 -1
Actually, Kian did say something akin to the limitations of the study in the comment section if you go through it. That part I seem to remember. Don't know about the rest of the insinuations here though.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 03:34
+1 -2
No need to be obsessed abt this so called international ranking. We Indian need a system which works best in our circumstances. In spite of the old saying that 'you can't buy with money' here filthy show of money and power has become harsh reality of present society. Surprised by some comments that we are really get affected by such lopsided ranking .
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 03:38
+4 -5
Hey Kian, why did you only interview the JGLS VC and not the NLSIU VC for a reaction??? Why are you hyping JGLS and ignoring NLSIU? NLSIU achieved this ranking with not even 10% of the money and resources of JGLS, so NLSIU deserves more praise.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:11
+4 -2
I'm sure Kian has approached both. Being a private university, JGLS focuses a lot more on the importance of PR compared to NLSIU, hence they would have granted the interview more readily.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 08:01
+1 -0
Interestingly, the Times Law ranking does not have any Indian law school. Kian, please ask them about their methodology. Do they look at SCOPUS too?

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2020/subject-ranking/law#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 08:34
+1 -0
I maybe wrong, but Times used to not allow institutional applications that way unlike QS. As in you can't apply to be judged.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:02
+0 -0
You can't apply in QS either, You can only send a list of reputed employers and professors abroad who QS will confidentially contact to ask for a rating. Quite possible that the JGLS and NLSIU recruiter list overlapped. Possibly even the professor list, since they both have common MoUs with some universities.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 18:27
+1 -0
That's as good as applying. I don't think Times allows that either.
Alias 7 Mar 2020, 08:35
+2 -0
They don't seem to feature even a single Indian university in their rankings.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 09:59
+4 -3
Those suggesting that international rankings are not important, remember that the Modi govt has made it a central plank of education policy. Eminence status was awarded on this basis and grants in future will be based on international rankings. In fact, NLSIU may now seek National Importance status. Also, those with PhDs from 500 universities in QS or Times are exempt from UGC NET.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 15:05
+5 -4
People with PhDs from any Indian university are exempted from NET too, you troll! At least read the rules once in your life, being a lawyer or would-be lawyer.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 00:13
+2 -6
[Edit: Comment reported, newspaper report accuracy contested. Please provide link to original UGC notification for verification. Also see below comment 37.1.1.2 below for strong evidence against this claim]

Not true. Indian PhDs need to give NET unless from a top 500 world ranked university. See links below. I have reported your comment for being fake news.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2018/dec/09/ugc-gives-eligibility-test-waiver-to-elite-candidates-draws-flak-1909010.html
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 05:29
+4 -1
Please show UGC norms, you troll, instead of relying on useless newspaper links. I know at least a dozen people personally who have PhDs from Indian institutions, no UGC NET, and currently have permanent positions across central and state universities. You seem beyond rhyme and reason. Any sane person is aware of the rules. Or are you saying every university in the country is in violation of UGC rules?
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 06:58
+4 -2
Kian, I can actually provide the UGC Rule link that would establish 37.1.1's claim as a patently false one. Here's the UGC Regulation Link: https://www.ugc.ac.in/pdfnews/4033931_UGC-Regulation_min_Qualification_Jul2018.pdf (Check 3.3.1, page 58) which clearly says, "Provided that candidates who have been awarded a Ph.D. Degree in accordance with the University Grants Commission (Minimum Standards and Procedure for Award of M.Phil./Ph.D. Degree) Regulation, 2009, or the University Grants Commission (Minimum Standards and Procedure for Award of M.Phil/Ph.D. Degree) Regulation,2016, and their subsequent amendments from time to time, as the case may be, shall be exempted from the requirement of the minimum eligibility condition of NET/SLET/SET for recruitment and appointment of Assistant Professor or any equivalent position in any University, College or Institution."

Therefore, it is clear that any PhD Degree awarded in India as per 2009/2016 UGC Regulations would serve as ground for exemption from NET etc. You can also check the 2009/2016 regulations, neither of which says anything about the degrees having to be from these 'top 500 world ranked university' as claimed by the troll here. The fact that someone can claim with a straight face that UGC has made a regulation that won't recognize the degrees awarded by the universities actually approved by the UGC to grant such degrees is itself astounding and possibly the product of imagination from an irrational and demented mind. I hope you'd subsequently censor such bogus claims from now on without someone having to point this out over and over again.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 07:44
+3 -1
Aww...look at the trolls already trying to downvote a post that consists of nothing but actual facts and proof. As opposed to the usual rumors, lies, and misrepresentations that plague the comments section here.
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 10:24
+10 -2
Lol! So many butthurt self proclaimed experts in this section! Nobody has the slightest clue about the real world scenario and not a shred of achievement in any field (other than self proclaimed lies to make themselves feel important), but everyone has an opinion about everything else under the sun. It's a good thing none of the institutions or people therein take your advice about how to do their jobs. Now start downvoting this comment if it makes you feel good. Anybody who believes anything that's stated here as a fact would have to be a grade A idiot too!
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 04:54
+4 -0
Completely agree. This is the perhaps the only comment here that made sense!
NothingAgainstJiggles 7 Mar 2020, 10:52
+7 -3
Wait, hold on for a minute. What about social inclusion as a parameter to judge a law school? No offence against Jiggles, but in a country like India, access to legal education should also be a key consideration.

So before you make those tall claims about being the best of the lot, do take a look at the socio-economic diversity of students at your institution?

CRK yaps so much on promoting quality legal education in India and making it accessible to everyone. Is it too much to expect him to take a few meritorious IDIA kids at their law school?
Guest 7 Mar 2020, 15:05
+3 -0
What an idea, Sirji!
SJW 7 Mar 2020, 17:59
+9 -2
Yeah, NLUs charging close to 10lakh for a law degree are the harbinger of social inclusion. By that metric only traditional law college like DU, AMU, BHU etc should be considered.
Also, JGLS is a private institute so someone needs to pay. NLUs are state sponsored so if anyone its NLUs who actually have an obligation on them to be accessible to all strata of the society.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 00:15
+1 -1
LOL, very true!
Danny 8 Mar 2020, 00:29
+1 -7
Dear friends, this is an important announcement to counter fake news spread being spread by some trolls.

[Edit: Comment reported, newspaper report accuracy contested. Please provide link to original UGC notification for verification. Also see above comment 37.1.1.2 below for strong evidence against this claim: https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/jgls-nlsiu-break-into-100-200-global-best-law-schools-in-qs-world-university-rankings-20200304-11215#comment-141189 )

1. Regarding UGC NET, the new rule is that PhD holders from top 500 QS/Times universities are exempt. Indian PhD holders are NOT exempt. Someone with an axe to grind against JGLS is constantly spreading fake news by saying all Indian PhDs are exempt. Currently, DU is in the top 500 general rankings, while NLSIU and JGLS are in the top 200 law rankings. Thus, PhD holders from these colleges are exempt from UGC NET. But not, for example, Mysore University or Patna University.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2018/dec/09/ugc-gives-eligibility-test-waiver-to-elite-candidates-draws-flak-1909010.html

2. QS does not require any payment or rankings submission, only a submission of recruiter names and contacts plus contacts of foreign university professors who can give references. It's very likely that both NLSIU and JGLS made these submissions, since they openly announced that they are targeting world rankings. What possibly happened is that NLSIU's contacts were limited to alumni teaching at universities abroad and a few professors who have visited, while JGLS had a huge list as they have many MoUs and foreign professors visiting. Regarding recruiters, NLSIU obviously has a star list, but JGLS has also managed to place graduates here and many have family contacts, so these contacts gave a favourable rating as their own relatives are JGLS students.

3. No money is required to be listed in a SCOPUS journal. There is a voluntary snd open submission process on the website. Remember, law journals of various US universities and NLUs cannot be included as these are student-edited, not peer reviewed. Hence, only EPW and JIPR are included. However, JILI can make a submission and is likely to make the list. It is not the fault of SCOPUS is JILI is lazy about it. JIPR is also government run but they are more alert.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 04:51
+5 -1
You are a grade one troll.
1. You are completely wrong. The exemption that you speak of is for PhDs from foreign universities only. It shows the extent of your education that you choose to rely on newspaper reports instead of actually reading the UGC regulations. There are hundreds of teachers teaching across all the Indian universities without NET but with PhD from various Indian universities.
2. QS isn't paid, that part is true. Rest you make little sense anyway, as usual.
3. You should actually get some knowledge for a change instead of trolling in a meaningless fashion. The fact that you think student edited and peer reviewed journals are mutually exclusive shows that you know nothing.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 07:00
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40's first claim has been established as a bogus one in the comments above, where the relevant UGC rule has been cited.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 14:45
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[quote]The fact that you think student edited and peer reviewed journals are mutually exclusive [/quote]

[...] They are indeed different. See the links below. [...]

https://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/November-December-2004/review_posner_novdec04.msp

http://crookedtimber.org/2004/10/25/dont-blame-the-law-students-a-reply-to-posner/

https://www.law.upenn.edu/journals/lawreview/articles/volume154/issue4/Cotton154U.Pa.L.Rev.951(2006).pdf
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 15:44
+2 -0
All of these reports clearly refer to only those journals that are student edited but not peer reviewed. There are plenty of journals in the world that are both. Even in India.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 00:30
+5 -0
I am sure Nalsar will realise their mistake and target the rankings next year. Professor Mustafa is very conscious of good publicity and will make every effort. Moreover, Nalsar actually has a very good chance of surpassing NLSIU.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 00:32
+4 -3
NIRF has already certified NLSIU, NLUD and NALSAR as the top 3 for 2 years in a row, so this is all that matters. It is the fault of QS if they have a faulty ranking system.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 00:41
+1 -1
JGLS has now made a corporate video to celebrate the QS achievement. Actually, it will be useful for law aspirants if NLUs make similar corporate videos highlighting their placements, moot wins, scholarships and other alumni achievements. Barring NLSIU and a few others, most of the NLU websites do not give this info.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CCluL5ZdxE[/youtube]
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 04:54
+9 -0
Waging PR wars is a waste of time. NLUs would be better off spending that time and resources to improve their quality of education offered and infra. JGLS needs to do this to attract students. Most NLUs don't need to do that at least till date.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 05:34
+6 -1
Kian, why are you allowing people to actually mislead by citing spurious reports that Indian PhDs aren't exempted from NET? That's not an opinion, that's a lie. One that you can verify in 5 minutes I'm sure. Vitriol and unsubstantiated rumor is one thing, but deliberately falsifying the legal position is another. I have no idea why one or more trolls have been doing it deliberately in this forum since long, but it's got to stop. I've got nothing against freedom of S&E, but one can't keep misrepresenting law/regulations!
GWT 8 Mar 2020, 07:08
+1 -1
All this is good. But which NLU has the best Dhobi?

Our Dhobi always burns my shirt.

No wonder we will never figure in QS Rankings. :(
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 07:48
+4 -0
NLU Mumbai. Isn't that the nearest to the famous Mahalaxmi Dhobi Ghat about which a movie had been made too?
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 14:38
+1 -5
[Edit: Comment has been reported, accuracy disputed]

Once again, you DO need to give UGC NET if you have a PhD, and you are only exempt if you have a PhD from a top 500 QS/Times ranked university (whether Indian or foreign). The New Indian Express report is correct. A [...] is on a mission to spread lies and disinformation against this. Only those who registered for a PhD in India prior to 2009 are exempt, as the news report says, but everyone who registered so long ago must have completed their PhD by now. Below is a link to the actual UGC notification stating this:

https://www.ugc.ac.in/pdfnews/4033931_UGC-Regulation_min_Qualification_Jul2018.pdf

The notification clearly says:

EXEMPTION 1 (Top 500 University PhD)
[i]The Ph.D degree has been obtained from a foreign university/institution with a ranking among top 500 in the World University Ranking (at any time) by any one of the following: (i) Quacquarelli Symonds (QS) (ii) the Times Higher Education (THE) or (iii) the Academic Ranking of World Universities (ARWU) of the Shanghai Jiao Tong University (Shanghai).
[/i]

EXEMPTION 2 (Indian PhD prior to 2009)
[i]Provided, the candidates registered for the Ph.D. programme prior to July 11, 2009, shall be governed by the provisions of the then existing Ordinances/Bye-laws/Regulations of the Institution awarding the degree and such Ph.D. candidates shall be exempted from the requirement of NET/SLET/SET for recruitment and appointment of Assistant Professor or equivalent position
[/i]

As the New Indian Express report says, the criticism is that it creates a hierarchy of "elite" PhDs and discriminates against desi PhDs, who are usually from humble backgrounds. Sure, make this criticism but don't spread fake news.

I thus request LI to delete all comments [...] which are to the contrary.

And Kian, you may please call your VC buddies (Sudhir, Faizan, Ranbir, Rajkumar etc) and get this sorted once and for all.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 15:42
+4 -1
[...] read the actual rule properly! [...] The entire provision that you quoted is preceded by an Or. This is B. It's applicable to foreign PhDs, since those can't be clearly awarded under the UGC Rule. The A part refers to Indian PhDs. Read A (ii) carefully. You only mentioned the proviso here that's for PhDs obtained before 2009. The actual rule clearly mentions PhDs obtained under the 2016 regulations as stated earlier. [...] Not to mention your lack of common sense. While lack of ability isn't to be ridiculed [...]
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 18:08
+3 -1
Kian, if you are going censor it when a person obviously trying to mislead others by selectively quoting or plain ignoring rules is being called out for his lack of education, then you should also censor out offensive terms such as TLC troll etc. While I'm from an NLU myself, I still retain sufficient dignity not to resort to name calling in the absence of any logical argument.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 15:47
+4 -2
Yes, please call any VC of any university in this country. I challenge you to make them agree with your inane view. You are even worse than that reporter who came up with that piece without having any idea about the Regulations. As a supposed student of law, you are supposed to be able to read at least.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 16:13
+4 -1
Bhai, you aren't from an NLU. Where do you get off by calling others TLC troll? I'm from an NLU, I've read the regulations that you yourself have shared and your interpretation is absolutely incorrect, because you have not read the provision in full or are just deliberately misquoting selectively. NLU students in their second sem have better legislative interpretation skills. Most do better even in their first sem.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 06:11
+2 -0
@46: Can you name a single permanent teacher currently working at any university in India, who might have been told at any point of time officially in their career that their PhD degree (obtained from any Indian university recognized under the UGC as capable of awarding such degree) is not good enough and that to get such a job (of Assistant Professor), they would have to clear UGC NET? Go ahead, name just one person (and the university concerned). I will represent that person for free in court and make that university be held accountable for flouting UGC regulations. If you cannot name any one, then I would urge you to desist in your attempts of carrying on with this line of argument.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 14:46
+2 -0
Sometime back a commenter on LI did a search and found that JGLS indeed leads in publications. So can't understand what the fuss is about.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 15:46
+6 -1
Who said they didn't? They have over 200 faculty members. Law of average states that they have to lead. They even have people exclusively researching and not teaching. Although it's true that not all of their faculty have a good publication record. Senior ones usually do. The JRAs and SRAs don't always have that.
Guest 8 Mar 2020, 15:56
+1 -2
JGLS = WWE. NLUs = UFC. Fake vs real.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 08:17
+3 -1
Professor Prabhash Ranjan has posted this on Facebook today. Awaiting comments from JGLS haters!

[i]What a terrific achievement for a law school that is just a decade old. And to be ranked in the 101-150 bracket globally is phenomenal. Congratulations to Prof Rajkumar and all my friends at Jindal. There is so much that 'sarkari' law schools/universities can learn from Jindal, but I doubt if they would ever learn. They just don't care!
[/i]
Darkseid 9 Mar 2020, 08:51
+7 -1
There's nothing hateful involved here. JGLS does have several good practices that other universities can and should learn from. Not everything is because of their financial resource advantage. Having said that, those who support JGLS, at least in the LI comments section, refuse to acknowledge that it has faults or problems too. That's not right either. It's a growing institution and a work in progress. It has some of the faults of a private organisation, it has many of the good features too. Rajkumar is a very able admin. Even people like Sudhir can and should learn from him. Sudhir can match him in vision perhaps, which is why he can take lessons about how some of the admin challenges have been solved at places like JGLS. We all have things to learn from each other. The trolls who project it as a rat race or foment inter institutional conflicts are the virus we should all protect ourselves against. Only by working together can these places collectively enhance the quality of legal education in the country.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 10:21
+1 -0
On the contrary, NLU students commenting here refuse to acknowledge that their institutions have faults and attack JGLS, even through deep inside they wish they had some of the faculty/infra/admin support of JGLS. In fact, NLU students do not even want to admit that X NLU or Y NLU is better than their NLU. This insecurity is one of the reasons the Nationalise NLUs moment fizzled out after an online petition and token protest at NUJS.
Darkseid 9 Mar 2020, 10:26
+4 -0
What I said and you did don't have to be contrary to each other. Anonymous commentators be it supporting one side or another, can hardly be any ideal benchmark. I have graduated from an NLU myself and I assure you, my institution hasn't taught me to belittle others in order to better ourselves. As I said, the process has to be symbiotic if sustainable growth has to be attained. There are trolls everywhere, people with sense can and should try to avoid those.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 09:03
+4 -0
The person who's written this might be a very capable scholar, but one wonders what he's done towards trying to change the scene at the NLUs instead of preaching from the sidelines. He joined two NLUs, left both after he demanded certain rules to be modified to suit his interest. Now, I'm not saying whether his demands were right or not. My point is that he gave up. And is currently teaching at SAU, which doesn't really contribute that much to the nation's legal education system. He is entitled to take the easy way out, sure. But then playing armchair activist from outside and bemoaning the state of public institutions and the country as a whole (he keeps giving political commentaries on his Facebook wall) don't really provide any solution. He could have stayed and tried to change the system from within, people like Sudhir tried to do that, or he could have tried to start initiatives with external stimulus like Shamnad did with IDIA. He hasn't done either.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 10:22
+1 -0
NIRF rankings are due next month. We saw last time that some NLUs shamelessly submitted fake data. Hope that will not happen again.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 10:36
+0 -0
You hope in vain. It's an accepted practice now. The fault lies at least partially on NIRF's part for not verifying the data supplied.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 11:23
+0 -0
This was the NIRF placement data submitted last year (average salary):

1. NLSIU: 15.2 lakhs
2. NALSAR: 15 lakhs
3. NUJS 15 lakhs
4. NLUJ: 14.5 lakhs
5. NLUD: 13.8 lakhs
6. Symbiosis: 9.75 lakhs
7. NLIU: 9.2 lakhs
8 RNGUL: 7.5 lakhs
9. IIT: 7.4 lakhs
10. GNLU: 6 lakhs
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 12:27
+2 -0
GNLU's appear to be a bit on the lower side. Rest seem accurate enough.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 02:32
+0 -1
LOL, totally fake salary figures by NLUJ, NLUD, Symbi and RGNUL.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 15:00
+0 -0
Kian, please do a report on the impact of coronavirus on legal jobs. A second recession is basically here and we are royally f**ked. The govt now has to create jobs through an Indian Judicial Service, litigation stipends, allowing foreign law firms and faculty recruitments at NLUs.
Guest 9 Mar 2020, 17:27
+4 -0
Job market is fine for capable people still. This process of hiring 100 freshers every year who know almost nothing and are willing to learn even less is going to be affected, as it should rightly. If you actually know the law you are practising and can give sound advice to the client, there would always be a job for you. Most people seeking jobs don't. The prevailing idea is that law school is mostly for chilling and the learning starts only afterwards. That sort of thinking would always get you into trouble eventually.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 03:13
+0 -0
Can someone in the know clarify this issue please? QS has two parameters, international students and international faculty. Now, JGLS has got several of both, I believe. But how did Law School manage to take care of this? Insofar as I'm aware of, it has neither in its ranks. Does this mean it got 0 in both those categories, but such high score in others that it managed to secure such a high rank nonetheless?
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 08:07
+0 -2
You answered your own question. NLSIU and JGLS almost certainly made a submission to QS with their recruiter lists and lists of academic references abroad. Many contacts would have been common, but they probably gave maybe 10/10 to NLSIU and 7/10 to JGLS for student quality. JGLS still surpassed NLSIU because they had high scores in international faculty and publications.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 09:43
+3 -0
Actually, you didn't answer my query at all. Do you know for a fact that NLSIU has been marked zero in the two parameters that I mentioned, but scored extremely high in the others? Does QS reveal the exact scores for each parameter like NIRF does? I am interested to know that part, which you didn't have any response to. I tried looking for the break up of scores online, but couldn't find any. In case anybody here has access to it (like Kian), I would request them to share it with all of us.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 11:30
+0 -0
Yes, everyone would like to know. Kian is not responding to readers, it seems.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 11:28
+1 -1
India Today is now calling JGLS "India’s new numero uno law school". Would be interesting to see if JGLS now participates in the India Today ratings as well.

https://www.indiatoday.in/mail-today/story/india-s-new-numero-uno-law-school-1654156-2020-03-10
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 12:41
+2 -0
Yes, Rajkumar has now received everything under the sun that he'd ever wished for. This is his crowning glory, because even QS global rank and IoE status pale in significance when compared to such shining accolades heaped upon the institution by India Today, that doyen of legal munificence.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 13:24
+0 -0
Oh, that made me laugh out loud in reality! xD
Zapp 10 Mar 2020, 13:28
+0 -1
Actually, the "crowning glory" is a top 3 rank in NIRF. That is the one thing that eludes JGLS and they have purposely not applied for NIRF so far as they know they will not be ranked high.
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 14:56
+1 -0
It's an IoE already! What additional benefit is an NIRF rank going to bring to it?
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 13:41
+0 -0
SCAM ALERT: Indian Express reports that KIIT and VIT got Eminence status on the basis of fake data. They falsely reported to have met the minimum threshold of Rs 3,000 crore, when in reality they do not have so much money. However, Jindal, Shiv Nadar and Mukesh Ambani met the threshold.

https://indianexpress.com/article/education/institutions-of-eminence-kalinga-institute-of-industrial-technology-kiit-odisha-vellore-institute-of-technology-vit-tamil-nadu-6296407/
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 14:56
+0 -0
Have the Ambanis managed to build the threshold yet? Of their institution, that is. They didn't last time the status had been awarded.
3rd year slave 10 Mar 2020, 15:18
+8 -0
I spent more than an hour of my billable time in reading the article & comments. Jindal has really done well in recent times. Their LinkedIn marketing certainly helps too. They will sooner or later find their way to be regarded as a top law school in India. It is difficult though to convince my bosses to choose any law school over NLS, NUJS or NALSAR at the moment. I think NLUD and GNLU will soon join them. Jindal has to maintain its momentum for a few more years to be taken as a serious challenger.

p.s. I did not graduate from any of these above mentioned colleges. We do not like races such as this. Pune calms everybody down :)
Guest 10 Mar 2020, 15:21
+4 -0
The quality weed helps. *high-five*
Guest 12 Mar 2020, 00:25
+1 -0
According to faculty sources, JGLS is participating in NIRF from next year and targeting a top 3 rank. The plan is to heavily publicise the QS rank and award of Eminence status, so that the "Perception Score" metric can be as high as possible. The Teaching and Research metric will also be high because of a large number of publications and good student:faculty ratio. The Graduate Outcomes metric will not be high as NIRF wants average salary, but JGLS will still be within the top 8 law schools in this metric. Thus, overall, a top 3 rank is a strong possibility.
Guest 12 Mar 2020, 15:47
+0 -0
Why top 3? It should be ranked number one. Humra VC kaisa ho? Rajkumar jaisa ho!
Guest 17 Mar 2020, 08:24
+0 -0
I can see that JGLS is advertising on LI because the website is popular with CLAT aspirants and parents. This is fine, but I would also request LI to give information about different NLUs to CLAT aspirants, especially new NLUs. Please do public service journalism also.
Guest 17 Mar 2020, 09:05
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Yes, people should be told how bad a shape most of those institutions are in. Lacking in good faculty, infra, recruitment opportunities and still duping thousands of students every year by using the NLU tag.
Guest 18 Mar 2020, 06:52
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Here is the first ever article that LI published on NLSIU, 11 years ago. See what Rao says:

"People take pride in the fact that Bangalore law school is the Harvard of the East - we will work continuously to make people say that Harvard is the Bangalore of the West."

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawschools/bangalore-law-school-takes-on-world-with-good-advice-20090522-022
ALIAS1 1 Jun 2020, 17:47
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QS 2019 Rankings | Reporting period: Academic Year 2016-17
Total Faculty reported by GU to QS: ~285
Total faculty reported in the AQAR (NAAC): 234 out of which 26 are others (Probably RAs and SRAs - RAs cannot be reported as faculty as per QS process) | http://iqac.jgu.edu.in/document/aqar_16-17.pdf

QS 2020 Rankings | Reporting period: Academic Year 2017-18
Total Faculty reported by GU to QS: 432 | https://www.topuniversities.com/universities/op-jindal-global-university
Total faculty reported in the AQAR (NAAC): 277 out of which 36 are others (Probably RAs and SRAs - RAs cannot be reported as faculty as per QS process) | http://iqac.jgu.edu.in/document/AQAR_17-18.pdf

AQAR for the academic year 2018-19 is not available on GU's IQAC website. Not so strangely, GU has never participated in NIRF.....maybe beacause one has to disclose actual data for the previous 5 years and also make it public on the University's website.
Guest 1 Jun 2020, 19:56
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JGLS is running a new [...] online LLM. Some of their people are actually giving vague and misleading answers, when specifically asked whether the course is UGC recognised. Their outreach guy is pointing to UGC's one year LLM regulations, which nowhere mentions online LLM. Of course, they would try not to officially commit to the fact that this LLM would not entitle a student to either sit for UGC NET or do their PhD in India. And when students demand such, they might even accommodate them quietly in their own PhD programme to save face. Even NLUD had started a distance mode LLM about 3 years back, but they were at least upfront about it not being UGC recognised for the purposes of academic jobs or PhD. I don't know whether Kian would publish this comment though, since JGLS is his prime advertiser these days. The entire brochure for the LLM, as available in the Jindal website, nowhere specifically mentions that the programme is UGC recognised, although everyone knows that's the first question most students would ask. They would now flood social media about this and give similar vague and misleading answers to genuine queries. Plausible deniability etc.
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 07:08
+0 -0
Guest 60.1 has raised valid points. Kian you owe it to your readers to clarify the following regarding the ad:

1. How can LLMs be offered online? Is it allowed under the law? Note that NLSIU calls their distance programme MBL while NALSAR’s distance programmes are called diplomas. Also, the professional LLM at NLUD is partly offline partly online.

2. Are the JGLS and NLUD programmes UGC recognised?

3. Is admission at NLUD and JGLS via LLM CLAT? If not, is it allowed?

4. What is the fees comparison between the NLUD professional LLM vs NLSIU MBL vs NALSAR diploma vs JGLS online LLM?

5. Live law has published the JGLS online LLM brochure. The faculty seems different from the regular corp law LLM. Can you confirm?
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 07:24
+3 -0
I can confirm 2 and 3 at least partially. NLUD had made it clear that their professional LLM was purely for knowledge benefit and it was not recognized by UGC for higher studies or academic qualifications. As for CLAT, there is no requirement for LLM admission to take place via CLAT at all under the current law. Even for the CLAT NLUs. It's done only for convenience's sake. The SC order was for LLB programmes. In either case, neither NLUD nor JGLS is part of CLAT anyway, which in NLUD's case is certainly condemnable.
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 08:06
+0 -4
You are wrong. NLUD LLM is UGC recognised as they have special status from UGC. Do not mislead. I can confidently tell all students and parents reading this that you should enrol for it. It is a great and affordable investment with tag of a prestigious college ranked 2 in NIRF.
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 10:50
+1 -0
UGC has not granted any special status like that to any Indian institution. What rot!
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 06:55
+0 -0
Thanks for pointing this out. A complaint should be made. This means only NLSIU deserves to be in the QS ranking, not JGLS.
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 08:02
+0 -2
Both NLUD and JGLS distance LLMs are 100% recognised and legitimate. I strongly advise students to consider these programmes instead of a regular LLM as they are cheaper and more convenient. There in no difference between a regular LLM on your CV. Ignore comments by ignorant people here and just go for it.
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 09:54
+1 -0
Please name a single student who has appeared for UGC NET, or got a job as an Assistant Professor in India, or been enrolled for PhD in law after clearing those programmes. You can't, because there isn't any. Quit misleading and lying. Distant LLMs are not held at par with regular LLMs by UGC in this country at present until the rules change. The degree is still a degree, but as a qualifying one, it's of no use. Can you show me any UGC regulation that allows such LLM degrees as qualifying degrees for the stuff I mentioned above?
Guest 2 Jun 2020, 09:57
+1 -0
How much are you getting paid by these places to troll?
Anonymous Guest 2 Jun 2020, 15:24
+0 -0
I have got a feeling Jindal will claim IoE exemption for this online course. Whether it means their students might have a legal claim to sit for UGC NET or get academic jobs in India, or accepted for PhD in any other Indian university apart from Jindal, remains to be seen. At least in the absence of specific clarification by the UGC to such effect.
Guest 16 Dec 2020, 03:18
+0 -0
Kian, can you find out from Faizan Mustafa/Sid Chauhan if NALSAR submitted data to QS for the upcoming 2021 law ranking? NALSAR deserves a place.