Jindal Global Law School launches LLM; Dean responds to critics

Jindal Global Law School - Professor Raj Kumar
Jindal Global Law School - Professor Raj Kumar

Jindal Global Law School (JGLS) has launched its LLM programme a year ahead of schedule, hoping to attract professionals who want to gain the qualification in two years while working.

Around 100 students will be selected for JGLS’ LLM course on the basis of merit and results to a special Law School Admission Test (LSAT) in May that is different from JGLS’ undergraduate LSAT, explained Professor Raj Kumar, who is JGLS’ founding dean and vice-chancellor of its umbrella body O.P. Jindal Global University.

Kumar (pictured) said: “[The LLM] was planned in 2011 but we decided to do it early because we have got the necessary infrastructure and faculty. We have recruited 15 faculty members and the classes will begin in August 2010.”

Classes will be held on weekends and in evenings, with the degree being awarded within two years. The LLM initially starts with specialisations in international trade law, corporate law and intellectual property rights.

“We are very excited about this programme as it hopes to fulfil an important void in India to pursue LLM programmes,” said Kumar, “as part time programmes are not very reputed and it takes three years. We are offering a full time programme which can be completed in two years like any other regular LLM programme without quitting your job.”

“We would like lawyers, bureaucrats, diplomats, judges, journalists and other professionals who are having a full time job to undertake this course without leaving their jobs,” he added.

The course fees for the LLM are Rs 4 lakhs (around $8,500) per annum, with another optional Rs 1 lakh per annum for JGLS to provide all accommodation and meals.

The faculty will be shared with the undergraduate five- and three-year LLB programmes that were launched last year, with a current faculty to student ratio of 1 to 10.

However, Kumar insisted that JGLS would maintain a faculty to student ratio of no more than 1 to 15, which he said was three times lower than the minimum recommended by the Bar Council of India.

The launch of JGLS’ LLM programme follows last week’s launch of a full-time MBA programme by The OP Jindal Global University.

Kumar told Legally India: “There will be a lot of interdisciplinary work between the MBA and LLB.”

Legally India also asked Kumar to respond to readers’ comments of last week, particularly on whether JGLS’ faculty was the best in India, how the law school justified its comparatively high fees and whether the quality of students and LSAT takers was lower than it was at the national law schools that depended on the more popular Common Law Admission Test (CLAT).

Kumar said: “In addition to regular full time faculty members with global qualifications and experience who are working at JGLS, we have created an institutional framework in which distinguished professors from the top law schools of the world take up full time visiting appointments at JGLS. They are actively engaged in teaching, assessment, evaluation and mentoring of our students.

“In the current semester, a distinguished professor from Yale Law School [professor Peter Schuck] is offering a course on ‘American Society, Government and Law’ to our students.

“This arrangement that JGLS has adopted is fundamentally different from the practices adopted by many law schools in India, where visiting faculty members are largely engaged in giving occasional seminars and guest lectures to faculty and students and rarely teach a full fledged course.”

In respect of the fees he admitted that the fees were higher compared to other Indian law schools, although others had increased their fee in recent years and in comparison to the price of legal education in the US it was still cheap.

“Our mission is to promote global legal education in India and to provide better access to high quality education within our country. But even this fee is hugely subsidised to our students due to the endowment and philanthropic nature of this initiative, given the fact that what we offer to our students is extremely valuable in terms of the global educational opportunity and life experience,” he said, adding that the infrastructure was world class, faculty remuneration was attractive and over Rs 2 crores of scholarships were awarded in the last academic year, which he hoped would increase significantly in future.

He said that in the first academic year JGLS admitted 100 students out of 500 LSAT takers. “It is important to note that when the NLS Bangalore was started in July 1987, there were 150 students who took the admission test conducted by NLS Bangalore and 50 students were admitted. Over the years, the new National Law Schools were established and the number of students who started to take the entrance exams also increased.

“New institutions have a historical growth trajectory that needs to be kept in mind while making any assessment,” he added and noted that while LSAT was established in the US, it was new to India and he expected that more institutions would be adopting LSAT-India in future because it was based entirely on a multiple choice format in areas such as logical and analytical reasoning and reading comprehension, rather than CLAT’s general knowledge, legal aptitude and mathematics sections.

Comments

Anonymous 9 Feb 2010, 23:28
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"Our mission is to promote global legal education in India and to provide better access to high quality education within our country. But even this fee is hugely subsidised to our students due to the endowment and philanthropic nature of this initiative, given the fact that what we offer to our students is extremely valuable in terms of the global educational opportunity and life experience,"

Seriously Professor Raj Kumar, this is the best you could come up with. Come on. Its India you talking about Prof. Kumar not US. Your organization would just be just another money minting business due to the "endowments and philanthropic nature of this initiative".
Anonymous 9 Feb 2010, 23:43
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JGLS can NOT attract talent. Who will pay their fees. Its a college for the rich and the elite only.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 00:46
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"We would like lawyers, bureaucrats, diplomats, judges, journalists and other professionals who are having a full time job to undertake this course without leaving their jobs."

In other words - if you have the dough - come to us.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 00:57
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Who's to say the rich and elite aren't talented #2? And what's the guarantee that the brightest law students are only those that top the CLAT?
Five years of quality infrastructure and faculty can go a long way in refining talent. And it's a wise man's move to wait and watch instead of shooting your mouth off prematurely.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 00:58
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Really, what is with all the haters?

One, why do all rich kids also have to be stupid? Most kids with successful lawyers as parents (e.g. 90% of currently successful lawyers) are not stupid. Nor are they great lawyers because they went to NLS in the first few batches or even now after cramming up and paying to score highly on CLAT.

And often rich kids are not stupid precisely because the parents had money to send the kids to an expensive private school. Look at the national law schools - a minority of students there went to some crummy village school.

Two, either you accept that the national law school system is at it is and will always stay so (flawed) or you welcome some new schools that try to improve and up the standard. It can only be good for everyone, even those that can not afford jindal...

Utter nonsense.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 01:27
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Sigh! Another NLS v/s JGLS slugfest. It's disheartening to see, budding lawyers argue over the "internet" just to prove who's better. Being a litigating lawyer myself and spending 5 years at NALSAR all I can say is people cannot be judged by the law school they have attended. Everyday I meet lawyers from some xyz college who are as dyamic and as talented as NLS'ites, I can't help but look up to them. The bottom line is It's not about the college it's about you, at best a good college can give you a strong platform and a jump start in the legal scenario rest is up to you. BTW I really like the concept of JGLS although, as mentioned by many it would really help if the tuition fees were lower.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 01:49
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Rich kids aren't stupid. But when you reduce your catchment area for selecting students by restricing it to only those who can afford to pay that awfully high fees, it severely reduces your chances of getting bright students.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 04:36
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@#7

Please elaborate on how students can be judged as "bright", when Legal education is not imparted at school level? That's one of he things which gives the LLb course it's singularity, your academics in school really don't matter. The process of studying law itself gives you the confidence and intellect to survive in a mushrooming legal world. As far as LSAT is concerned I think is better than CLAT as it focuses more on the core abilities of a lawyer and not extraneous subjects like Maths. As is the case with IIT and IIM students NLS'ites are increasingly getting high-headed, which is pretty much understandable for a callow student.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 13:56
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I don't know why some of the comments are intent on focussing on the negatives of JGLS. It is a new endeavour to impart legal education in India and rather than heap scorn at its nascent efforts, they should be encouraging them. I agree that it is very expensive, but it is also providing students with access to state of the art infrastructure, a faculty with excellent credentials, exposure to global legal education like no other law school in India provides and an opportunity to be involved in what seems like an exciting prospect for legal education.

And for all the talk about NLSes having bright kids.

Sure.

NLSes have been the most successful law schools in the country, be it moot courts, recruitments, research papers or being involved in other ventures outside the legal field. However, this should be seen in perspective.

Calling yourself the best law school among what was till recently half a dozen decent law schools is nothing to brag about.

Rather, its embarassing to hold yourself out as the elite of the elite when your competition is 6 law schools which have only seen 6-7 batches graduate so far.

Also, NLSes itself till recently didn't have more than 10,000 people give their law entrances and out of those numbers, the majority were there by default as they had not been able to get through enginnering, medical, mass communication etc where the competition STILL is more intense compared to law, despite the presence of more elite institutions in those fields.

Some might say that they have emerged as winners when faced with global competition which vindicated their stature that they are not competing with just 6 but an entire contingent comprising of the world's top law schools and that, in my opinion, is a completely valid assertion.

However, one should look at the bigger picture.

If 3 out of the just 6 decent/well run law schools in India fare so spectacularly, just think of how many more accolades Indian law schools can secure if the number of such well run law schools is increased considerably.

Enter JGLS.

I am not saying it is an elite institution yet. But to all the doom-prophesizing lawyers out there (a lot of who claim to be from NLSes), JGLS holds a lot of promise and the jury is still out and will be so for the next 5-7 years on whether the school can indeed be included in the small group of law schools in Indian imparting excellent legal education.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 17:15
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@ Drew Peacock- then wait for the next 5-7 years and then talk, why do you have to brag about yourself as to how you will be completing the journey when you haven't even begun it. I mean seriously not doubting JGLS' capability but come up to the same platform and then talk, NALSAR/NLS/NUJS are not a product of an overnight initiative.

rich kids are not at all stupid, but if they have sense they would know which law school to go to right. Let them make a choice. Just hoping JGLS is not another money minting business.
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 22:13
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@ #10

Talk about what?

I think you echo my sentiments exactly when I say that the jury will be out for another 5-7 years before anyone can make a definitive statement.

Brag?

I never called NALSAR/NLS/NUJS an overnight initiative.

Rather, I said that it's a valid assertion that the above are elite institutions.


You sound hurt and angry. I hope you're ok. And oh yeah, all the best for the Class X board exams! Hope they don't make you too cranky!
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 22:34
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who said that people opt for law only because they dont clear engineering/medical/mass comm exams?? iam myself at nalsar and i know many who secured very good ranks in AIEEE exams, got excellent marks in 12th and came to nalsar...i myself cleared aieee but opted for law....times have changed, law is no longer a discipline where only the waste products of school system end up...and as far as competition is concerned, believe me, if u want to join the top three law colleges, u gtta get a rank below 200 in CLAT in which 14000 students write the exam...one seat for arnd 60 students...aint this stiff and cut throat??

nd yea, JGLS is a good concept, but the tuition fee is too high...affluence doesnt bring success....only rich students can afford to study in JGLS, and the poor ones who deserve to be there dont get a chance because of the financial constraint...JGLS should take an initiative and every year provide financial assistance to few selected students who are poor but deserve to study there...
Anonymous 10 Feb 2010, 22:44
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The scholarships given by JGLS are too few and too less an amount. A mere cover up.
I know people who would have got a seat in the IITs and opted for NLS or NUJS. I have my mates with similar credentials there.

Times surely have changed. And the reason is simple. You know that the pays you get after graduating from the top NLSs are say around 15-20% higher than even IITs. And if your interest lies not in maths and science, you go for the law schools.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 04:21
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Its not a lack of interest towards math n science that drives one to law....

But the love of law, debating and keen interest in social issues that make most students go to law schools!!
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 05:01
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It is a pity that there is so much disgruntlement among the commentators on the establishment of JGLS. An initiative like that of JGLS should be warmly welcomed. Everything that I have seen about JGLS reflects a deep and pervasive commitment to raising the quality of academia and research. I know the professors at most of the National Law Schools and I used to work in one of the big three. Graduates of these law schools will tell you that there is a lot of mediocrity. What is amazing about JGLS is their ability of attract these faculty members. They are also maintaining a very high faculty student ration. These are revolutionary steps in the field of legal education and higher education in India. The more I read their website, I get even more impressed. I have seen far too many institutions in India which have been established with no vision. But JGLS has an amazing vision that they have got it right. As a teacher with over five decades of experience, I must tell that you get the Law Review published even more the start of classes is a remarkable achievement. For those who are shooting of vituperative comments with no knowledge of law or legal education in India, please visit www.jgu.edu.in

Having said this, I do feel that the fee is high. But I also understand that the fee at Harvard and Yale is also high. The question is how JGLS provides value to this high fee. I know that the faculty are of outstanding academic standing. But what about jobs for the JGLS graduates? How is the return on investment going to be? Is the job market available? These are more serious questions that the pedantic debate that is taking place between whether JGLS is better than NLS Bangalore. This very question does not make sense. How can we compare a law school which is 23 years old to a law school which is around 4 months old? Yes, for a law school which is 4 months old, JGLS has created nothing short of a revolution. But there is a long way to go. We should encourage JGLS to get more scholarships to students so that many more bright and brilliant students can afford to study at JGLS. My biggest criticism of JGLS is its fee structure which makes it difficult for the middle class in India to study. But if you can manage to go there, then it is a question of making an amazing opportunity to work well for you.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 05:05
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It is a pity that there is so much disgruntlement among the commentators on the establishment of JGLS. An initiative like that of JGLS should be warmly welcomed. Everything that I have seen about JGLS reflects a deep and pervasive commitment to raising the quality of academia and research. I know the professors at most of the National Law Schools and I used to work in one of the big three. Graduates of these law schools will tell you that there is a lot of mediocrity. What is amazing about JGLS is their ability of attract these faculty members. They are also maintaining a very high faculty student ration. These are revolutionary steps in the field of legal education and higher education in India. The more I read their website, I get even more impressed. I have seen far too many institutions in India which have been established with no vision. But JGLS has an amazing vision that they have got it right. As a teacher with over five decades of experience, I must tell that you get the Law Review published even more the start of classes is a remarkable achievement. For those who are shooting of vituperative comments with no knowledge of law or legal education in India, please visit www.jgu.edu.in

Having said this, I do feel that the fee is high. But I also understand that the fee at Harvard and Yale is also high. The question is how JGLS provides value to this high fee. I know that the faculty are of outstanding academic standing. But what about jobs for the JGLS graduates? How is the return on investment going to be? Is the job market available? These are more serious questions that the pedantic debate that is taking place between whether JGLS is better than NLS Bangalore. This very question does not make sense. How can we compare a law school which is 23 years old to a law school which is around 4 months old? Yes, for a law school which is 4 months old, JGLS has created nothing short of a revolution. But there is a long way to go. We should encourage JGLS to get more scholarships to students so that many more bright and brilliant students can afford to study at JGLS. My biggest criticism of JGLS is its fee structure which makes it difficult for the middle class in India to study. But if you can manage to go there, then it is a question of making an amazing opportunity to work well for you.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 05:22
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Reading the negative comments about JGLS in this debate,As I looked at their website. I must confess that I was truly impressed. Even in US context, where I am teaching, to gather faculty of such an impressive profile would be considered truly remarkable. As an institutional administrator based in the USA, I would be keen to know from JGLS as how they were able to attract such an outstanding group of faculty members to actually move to India and to take up full time faculty appointments. I have been a keen reader of issues relating to legal education in India. If you have already not read, I would encourage you to read an article written by Professor Jayanth Krishnan of Indiana University School of Law on the history of legal education in India published a few years back in the American Journal of Legal History. This article will give you the historical perspective of how legal education had evolved in India until the establishment of National Law Schools. But I know the amazing degree of deterioration in the standards of quality of education offered by National Law Schools is no longer option for students who are expecting to have an intellectually vibrant environment. There are very few faculty members who are worth their work who are teaching in these schools. Most good faculty members who are accomplished have retired; new bright and brilliant scholars have left for a variety of reasons; and there is a high degree of mediocrity resulting in a situation where students no longer are serious in engaging within the class room. There is a lot of self learning and peer group guidance among students that takes place in these institutions. The students are not adequately inspired.

Personally, as an academic, the most important thing about any University or a Law School is the quality of its faculty. JGLS by far is the best law school not only in India, but probably in Asia today as far as the faculty is concerned. All the rest can be easily built including infrastructure; good students and reputation.

But I also wonder why there is so much threat perceptions that is prevailing among the commentators. It seems to be these commentators are either students and graduates of National Law Schools or may be faculty members. This need not be the case. India need a lot more good law schools and there is no need to feel threatened about the establishment of world class institutions of excellence.

My big fear is as to how JGLS will sustain this amazing reputation that they have acquired globally. I travel around the world and every major law school in every part of the world want to establish collaborations with JGLS. I know Harvard and Yale have already established a range of collaborations with JGLS, but there is rush for other law schools to follow suit. JGLS may do well to determined what is in their best interest as far establishing collaborations are concerned.

I suggest that the people who are making ill informed criticisms about any institution in these websites should refrain from doing so.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 07:49
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national law schools rock!! anyday!!!
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 13:28
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JGLS is the 'the best law college in India'. Don't kid us guys. Its not even in the top 20 for now. Great faculty does not make a college great. They might want to turn JGLS into a policy research institution. Then it surely will go places. As a college, it has a bad start. No quality students to start with.

JGLS better than NLS? LMFAO. I would be surprised if people prefer it over even Amity!
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 18:40
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rich kids are NOT stupid! many students in the NLUs are rich kids. does that mean NLS/NUJS/NALSAR students are dumb?

i wish JGLS all success

Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 18:45
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the only reason this debate is even happening is because some NLS-ites are afraid that their law schools will only be second best in future years.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 18:54
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totally agree with #5.

most ppl from NLSIU/NALSAR/NUJS are middle-class and are from vernacular towns. how many ppl from big cities and good schools get into these colleges? i have my doubts. the resentment against JGLS is just middle-class mentality. JGLS students have been to expensive private schools and speak much better english than ppl in the top 3 law colleges.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 19:13
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.....well well.... so now the jindal is the competition for nls ..... good luck to them .... may be in another 250 yrs some not so [...] ppl will end up there.... thats saying a lot really.... improvement from a college for the rich [...].... abt the collaborations ...well they i think have letters where colleges abroad have said that they will be interested in helping sudent to apply for llms and also see oppurtunities for conferences and round tables...... for ppl who do not know ...all law colleges... nujs, nls, nalsar ...and even govt colleges like glc, ils... all get these kinds of mails .... which usually hit the dustbin..... but having nothing else i think many of these letters are being show cased! nothing wrong in it though ..each to his own....
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 19:25
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does speaking good english make someone a better lawyer??? BULL SHIT!!
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 19:30
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JGLS is going to be big disaster, due to the high fee structure. The quality of teachers as I know couple of indian faculties also not good. The intention of the promoters is only to make money out of it and the people who are working behind the scenes especially one or two indian faculties who is having some sort of connection with the Honkong national university also not good.
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 19:32
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At this point I think it is relevant so cite an analogy, If anyone has a vague idea of the Education scene in the U.S. you will easily understand the concept behind JGLS. There are many rich kids who get through Harvard, Yale, Stanford and the rest of the Ivy leagues, does that mean they are dumb? I really fail to understand the basis of the debate, The point is if you have the money go for JGLS If you don't then there are institutions like NLU's to cater to your needs. FYI Faculty is the first step towards building a good college and I think JGLS got the first step right. I really hope it does well in the future. Cheers!
Anonymous 11 Feb 2010, 22:24
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Tur Dal - Rs. 110
Moong Dal Rs. 85
Udad Dal Rs. 78
Channa Dal Rs. 85
JinDal Rs. 7,00,000

Any other comparison is superflous
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 01:10
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lol @ #27....gud one! :-)
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 01:40
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Jindal might have the good faculty but lets get few facts right

1.) what is the main aim of Jindal ?
A policy institution or exceptional law school producing great scholars and thinkers.

2.) Why do we need to compare them with Nls/Nalsar ?
Let the students of Jgls prove their worth not faculty.

3.) Such a high fee structure in a country like India . Is it feasable ?
It will reduce the catchment area of Jgls.
Suppose there are 10000 people who apply for Nls/Nalsar/Nujs and 200 got selected of which 30 are rich and 170 from decent backgrounds. Now it can be inferred that out of these 200 at least 195 are deserving .
Now if there are 1000 people who apply for jgls of which 99% belong to rich background. Suppose, 80 are selected of which 50 are deserving according tho their standards. Still can we say jgls has better quality?

The point here is no matter how good your faculty is be a little realistic...... untill and unless you don't have a large catchment area the bridge between nls and jgls is gonna widened only.

No hard feelings for anyone!!!

GUYS PLEASE BE REALISTIC.
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 04:15
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@29

Ok now your comment is indeed stupid. Please get a vocabulary beyond "catchment area". Secondly that's really not the point, It's not about what kind of students you admit it's about what you do with them in your college. How you shape them into top notch legal eagles. Please don't whine if you cannot afford JGLS and demoralize the rest of the aspirants. As stated my many I really dig the idea of JGLS it is really good for people who can afford it. And btw a comparison between JGLS and the rest of the NLU's is baseless and if you indulge in it, it only shows that you wear happy smiles pajamas at night and have flower printed pink shirts in your wadrobe.
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 04:57
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cool ...... now we gonna get great lawyers from jgls for sure its a colg that can transmute a [...] into a Rhodes scholars.................


wow its not only a law colg its a magic institution................

jgls jindabad.....................................
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 06:28
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HW CAN A FARMER PRODUCE BETTER CROPS WITHOUT GOOD QUALITY SEEDS!
nw its upto u guys to draw da inferences...;-)

this thread is a nonsensical thread...i dont think jindal can be compared even to amity or symbi... comparison to NLS/NALSAR/NUJS is senseless... nywaz, i wish JINDAL a bright future!
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 06:34
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@ ALL
JINDAL GLOBAL LAW SCHOOL IS NOT ONLY A LAW SCHOOL BUT ITS A REVOLUTION, IT IS A MAGIC SCHOOL, ANY DUMBASS CAN ENTER THIER AND THE EXCELLENT FACULTY WILL GROOM THEM AND WHEN HE COMES OUT HE WILL BE A RHODES SCHOLAR, LORD DENNING........
PLEASE
PLEASE
PLEASE

DO NOT COMPARE JGLS WITH NLSIU/NALSAR


THESE COLLEGES ARE PEANUTS.... INFRONT OF JGLS
JGLS SHOULD BE COMPARED WITH HAWARD.... YALE AND IN 7 YEARS TIME I PROMISE TO YOU ALL....

JGLS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EXTINCTION OF NLSIU/NALSAR.......
THESE COLGS ARE WORTHLESS................
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 08:01
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@19
whichever law school you come from, Amity Law School does not brag about its achievements. The students are good and are doing equally well as any other law school or college. If you have any doubt about that you are free to have an open debate here.
about jgls, stop being insecure and focus on your future instead!
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 13:20
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@# 27 - hahahahahahaa
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 15:07
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As someone said earlier, "If the seeds are poor...the gardener is helpless".
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 17:58
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@32

If only you could spell "Harvard" correctly.
Anonymous 12 Feb 2010, 18:21
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1. People please stop participating into the "JGLS v NLSs" Debate. NLSs are awesome indeed but other pvt and public law clgs are doing pretty well as well.

2. But this is true NLS/NUJS/NALSAR have been performing consistently well and can be termed as "Big Three" in the legal education in India. But other law clgs are doing pretty well too. I have friends in Amity & GLC who have good jobs.

3. I myself is in final year in a national law school. Of course the environment and milieu here is very impressive. It is extremely competitive here. I know lot of national law products who chose law inspite of getting through AIEEE/PMT et al. As a matter of fact I am one of them.

4. These days many national law school students go for post grad, litigation and not only for high paying corporate jobs.

5. JGLS might do pretty well in future but they must have proper planning for that. Faculty and students have to work together pretty hard for that. But the fees are exorbitantly high. 40/45 lacs??? I could have completed my LLB from top UK Unis with that amount (either through LNAT or direct admission to GDL & then 3 yrs LLB course). Faculty, infrastructure and facilities are quintessential no doubt, but this is insane. Fees have to be less. This is India and not US, for God's sake. I wonder who all are studying there (no offence)

6. Best of luck to all of us. We all should work and look forward for a br8 future. All the best to JGLS as well.
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 00:33
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if one can spend 50 lacs on jindal why do he need a placement?
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 00:34
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oh ! jindal is a law school?

where is it located?
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 02:10
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Well i really dont understand why the majority of you think that No Institution can compete NLS, NALSAR ,etc

Accordong to Financial Times annual MBA 2010 ranking a 10 year old Institute (INDIAN SCHOOL OF BUSINESS) ranked 12th in world where 50 years old IIM stands no where even in top 100 in the world!
So it is absolutely rubbish to compare a law school on the basis of their establishments !
I am neither a Nlsian or Jindalite (not for or against any)
but just need that my nation should have good system of education good law schools!
As if any institute is moving ahead on a global path then why some of you acting like politicians ?

There is need for Jgls to have more fellowship and scholarship programme as hardly total in 5-6 is not at all enough !

I been to Nls,nalsar,Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law,Jindal global law school and Fac of law D.U- i really found that no institute can compare jindal in any faculty and infrastructure as these two are the backbone of any good institution
and rest is the students!
Anonymous 13 Feb 2010, 02:16
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Really awesome buddy
Plato 15 Feb 2010, 09:01
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As has been mentioned by many before me, it seems ludicrous that such venom be spewed against a new establishment. A new establishment, mind you, in a country that is in dire need of providing quality education to its young. *cough* Insecurity *cough*?

And why don't you just realise that scoring well in a test like CLAT only makes you a good test taker (thank god for LST, eh?) and NOT necessarily an intelligent student. And you only need a decent IQ level, reasonable language skills and good teaching to excel in Law. Just because you all knew a few people who turned down IITs for NLS does not mean that in absolute terms, your IQ levels are on par with the IITians. Please don't kind yourselves, you're not exactly studying Theoretical Physics here!

Now, would JGLS be an institution to be reckoned with in the future? Only time would tell but until then, why don't you NLSites worry about your Magic Circle job apps (I mean, one really must make the most out of a subsidised education, no? And who cares about the Indian tax-payers' money as long as I have my plush office in Canary Wharf) and let these newbies be?

Let and Let Live, for chrissakes!
You belong to a country that needs all the help it can get to progress and while none of you can actually make a tangible difference in the field of tertiary education, at least have the smarts to support those who can and are.

P.S. I am a rich kid and I got the best education money can buy. So what? If the so-called blue collar kid had been in my position, he would have done the same too. The world is NOT fair, get over it!
Plato 15 Feb 2010, 09:04
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*Please don't kid yourselves, I meant*
Anonymous 15 Feb 2010, 19:27
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goodness.....with no patience to read all the comments... i figure out that the National Law Schools are a little threatened with a new player on that block that would outshine them in ways or atleast the initial dazzle would be blinding....the rest of the legal student community can sit back and relax cuz in the real world its what ur all about that matters and not where you're from.... and ive seen people from even the most obscurest of the universities make it big with grit and determination....yes maybe the inital push is required but if you've got the magic in you nothing can stop you and if u dont no NLS or Jindal can save you....
Anonymous 15 Feb 2010, 19:47
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nlsites are feeeling insecure!!! hahahaha!!!! jindal guys do some introspection, can u name one student from jindal who did not write clat and did not want 2 join NLS/NALSAR/NUJS at the first place?? EVERY JINDAL STUDENT IS THERE BY DEFAULT AND NOT BY CHOICE...its just that jindal studnts hv nt made it 2 NLSs so they are saying jindal is better dan nlss...grapes are sour...atleast for jindal students!!!
Anonymous 16 Feb 2010, 07:11
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YES, i can name 17 such people ! Get your facts right before you babble and assume things.

Grapes are sour for you too as you know you cannot afford Jindal.
Anonymous 16 Feb 2010, 16:51
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Well I am a student at JGLS and the concept of rich kids being stupid is outright bogus and what our VC focuses in our meetings is that we are not competing with any other law school in India. I have left NLS 2 years in a row and as my sister in studying in Symbiosis I talk to her and get to know that how different is our college in the ways of teaching. The fee is surely on the higher side but they are also giving scholarships to the needy people. Being the son of a government servant, I couldn't afford the fee but they gave me a 100% fee scholarship on merit amounting to 5 lakhs. They are starting great with people like Yale's Peter Shuck teaching American Society and mooting by a new york attorney in the first sem only.
Anonymous 16 Feb 2010, 17:51
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I am a graduate of one of the 'so-called' top 3 national law schools - graduated some years back. I must say the comments here are entertaining and a nice way to pass time...People who write here are obviously either frustrated or pretty jobless, me being no exception... While I am sceptical about how JGLS would do, since I know a lot of bright students still prefer to take the CLAT, I hope that this school does well, as I know Raj, and admire his effort... Whatever happens, lets come back to this post once the first batch of JGLS graduates, and I think we will have some more entertainment on this site - one way or the other!!!
Anonymous 16 Feb 2010, 18:21
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#48 whts da point leaving nls twice in a row??? dont comment just for the sake of commenting!!
Anonymous 17 Feb 2010, 09:31
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oh my god!!!! enough with how costly the education @ JGLS is!!!!!
they are providing full scholarships to selected students and i think everyone has heard of education loans........if you do really value studying at JGLS and the fee is all tht worries you i suggest you get a loan and stop cribbing!!!!!
if however you are also worried about JGLKS will fare well only time will tell - but well there are a lot of factors that should be taken into consideration - the faculty is the most important of them all and JGLS seems to have nothing but the best the law fraternity has to offer, the infrastructure is well planned and simply stunning, the study structure and methodology is awesome, the assignments, lectures, the whole study environment they have created - i envy the students studying there - they are getting exposed to so much right in the first year! so let us give JGLS a break, wish them luck with their endeavour n appreciate the good work they are putting into it instead of being judgmental at the drop of the hat about any and everything.....
Anonymous 22 Feb 2010, 20:54
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wht about ARMY INSTITUTE OF LAW....IT IS ONE OF INDIA'S BEST LAW COLLEGE IF NOT THE BEST.....
Anonymous 22 Feb 2010, 23:07
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army crap pls pls nt agn
Jyoti 24 Feb 2010, 03:22
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JGLS serves an example to demonstrate two things -

1. how lucrative the business of education has become; and

2. how the 3-4 top national law schools are squandering their lead.

To begin with (1), education in india has mushroomed as a business. While the law does not allow institutes to be for-profit entitites, there are many ways to siphon off money, usually by subcontracting various 'services' and 'consultancies' to other entities owned or controlled by the promoter, or investing in 'trusts' that further invest in other businesses run by the promoter. The failure by the Central and State governments to regulate fees, develop more institutions and improve the infrastructure of the existing ones combined with the increasing number of studnts each year has made education a gold mine. The Jindals, being shrewd businessmen have only capitalised on this. Certainly they cannot be faulted - after all everyone wants to make money. What is at fault is the peculiar stand taken by successive central governments - who are well aware of this but refuse to take any action. Either the no-profit law should be implemented or scrapped.

(2) It is a shame that centres of excellence in legal education , i.e. the top few law schools have failed to capitalize on their chronological start, their government suport, theircatchment reservoir of government law officers and judges, and their solid Bar Council backing - as a result of which there are actually takers for private enterprises such as JGLS which charge fees for a non-infrastructure intensive course such as law than many other private engineering and medical institutes (by way of information the well known private institute Manipal University charges less than Rs. 2 lakh p.a. for engineering and less than double that for medical (the state run institutes all charge a paltry amount less than a lakh for medical). This is a real shame because these National Law Schools had many winning features - statutory establishments with the patronage of the State Governments and the Supreme Court combined with a very dynamicapproach towards preparation of academic courses - in short the 'assurance' of the Government that most of us find comforting, with the nimbleness of the private sector. Dr. Madhava Menon demonstrated how effective this could be when he founded the National Law School of India at Banglore and later the National University of Juridical Sciences at Kolkata - both outstanding experiments in legal education. Unfortunately these law schools may have become complacent if parents are still willing to send their children to Mr. Jindal's establishment (at a cost of a small fortune).

Being an investment banker by profession I have examined the fee structure and studied an estimate of costs for setting up infrastructure of the type expected at JGLS (taking into account the generous 'corpus' that Mr. Jindal has already contributed) and I believe charging Rs. 6 lakhs per year for an undergrad law degree is nothing if not fraud. Even the sum charged by the National Law Schools are quite high (costs there are approximately a lakh a year per student). Even Harvard Law School's (in the United States) basic law degree - the J.D. - equivalent to our B.A.LLB. costs on average 'only' Rs. 13 lakhs per year.

It is time the Bar Council or the UGC look into the basis for charging such an amount and where the sums are utilised. Quality education is welcomed, even when crafty businessmen promote it but not at the cost of making honest families give up their life savings when it does not reflect the true cost.
Anonymous 27 Feb 2010, 05:42
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Hi.
I'm an 18 year old girl who's in the first year batch of the 5 year BA LLB course at Jindal. I graduated at the top of my stream in my boards and I cleared all of my entrance examinations- NIFT Delhi, IHM-Aurangabad (after my interview with them, they begged my mother to let me join.), IHM-Delhi, Symbiosis Law and BBA, and the CLAT. I even cleared my LSAT in MERIT.

I came to Jindal, of my own accord. Not by Default. Not because I didn't get in anywhere else. There are a lot of people here who got through NUJS and the like. Don't get me started on what they had to say about the institutions you defend. They came here to be part of the biggest thing to happen to education in India since the establishment of ISB. Your first argument is automatically proven hilariously invalid.

I know I am privileged, that my parents are well off, but I am one of the MANY students who got a generous studentship because I missed my deadline for applying for a scholarship I was eligible for in the first place. Many students here have been gifted scholarships- 100%, 50%, 25%, Studentships.

If you're going to hate on us and say that the school is a "money-minting scheme', I must say, shame on you, sirs. You are most misled.
Please make your way to the Campus. I shall personally mail you the directions. A day here should help you make up your mind as to what is really going on here- A revolution.
You can diss it, but you can't stop it. JGLS does not really care for the hate you spew, the 'disgust' and thinly veiled disdain. It exists to impart quality education, which I am sorry to say is not a can of subsidized, rationed Mustard Oil.
What in the name of Law did you expect? A Salvation Army store distributing a new concept of education for all?

It is EXPENSIVE, not because our Vice Chancellor(who we all have so much faith in, just so you know. What have you done in your life that can rival what he has achieved yet? At his age, he's CREATED everything in and about JGLS, after securing support from our Chancellor, Mr. Jindal. Come and take a tour, see for yourself) wants to make money, but because he has a vision that can revolutionize the way things are done in our country.

Tell me, do you really think a world class faculty from around the planet would migrate to India for something that would be minimum-wage in their country? or that the Indian faculty would drop everything and run to Sonipat, Haryana to teach "a bunch of stupid, rich brats"? No.
They need to be paid internationally competitive salaries, and they've been offered a chance to be part of something huge. Something new, a challenge that can change their lives for the better.

And you know who's paying for their salaries? We are. That's why the fee is so high. You can't expect Peter Schuck (please, please, make my day and Google him, haha) to leave his teaching at Yale and come here to teach us for free.
Calculate when JGLS will reach the financial break-even point. I don't see it happening for another 10-15 years. The school is spending more money than it's making. And even when it does reach the break-even point, I don't think it is going to go beyond it. In simple terms, this school will never make any profit, because they're always delivering more than what is expected and more than what is paid for by us. They'll just make enough to keep the standards higher than your 'big3'. So, please, enough of this insanity and sour grapes.

Of course, I also personally feel deeply affronted when me and my fellow batch-mates' mental capabilities are questioned. Like I said, come down here and interact with us. If you don't leave pleasantly surprised and maybe a little disgruntled that you were proven wrong, we'll just have to show you around the amazing campus and win you over with the brilliant infrastructure and architecture. :-)

Talking of the students, we have, well, DIVERISTY- of talents and ethnicities. Sportsmen, musicians, writers, poets, actors, photographers, film-makers, gymnasts, singers, chefs, painters, dancers, shooters, debaters and mooters infest this place. There is not a single person here who does not possess a talent, and there are very few professionally taught or mentored talents here.

Do you really want me to write down and make a nice list so you can know what are the REAL WORLD differences between a public law institute like NUJS or NLS Bangalore and JGLS?

Give us 5 years. You'll know that we're not just a pack of rich kids with snotty noses and empty cranial cavities.
Anonymous 27 Feb 2010, 20:43
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My God! This girl has got a plethora of time to write a gargantuan emotional treatise in praise of the mecca of legal edification jgls..whereas in the national law universities the first year students are working their ass out for intra moots, seminars, projects, research papers, and yeah of course academics
Anonymous 27 Feb 2010, 23:34
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What did you expect, no.56?

Would you not take out 5 minutes from your routine to defend your alma mater against ridiculous, factually incorrect and obviously envious remarks, if you were in my place? What also stings is that people here talk about an institution they know little about.
(Also, the fees in NOT 7 lakh. It's 6. And only a handful of kids here are paying that much. Most of them have been given scholarships and studentships. )

It's called Libel. However, you are entitled to your opinions.
I only wish that you had not resorted to sexism, as is evident by the first sentence of your comment- 'this girl' does not need to be responded to by gender, you could have just said- 'this student' or 'this reader'.
Not very prudent.

See, for me, I do not think I am wasting my time here writing about my college- I do have a lot of work on my hands this weekend, which is the reason why I am not going home for holi as are a lot of other people - because we all are equally, if not more burdened with work as compared to your wonderful and "dynamic" NLUs. Also, because I care more about my readings, assignments, the moot memo I am working on than going home and playing with colors.
I am a firm loyalist and somehow, I do not feel pleased with what a few people here have to say. I am merely here to give them a REAL, different picture of what is going on.

Reading your last sentence makes me wonder if you consider seminars, projects, research papers to be exclusive of academics. No wonder your stuffy and dusty views of what an education really means are outdated.
At JGLS, all of these are a part of our Academics. And adding to that, we also have end of term exams and class tests.

I do not call my college a Mecca of legal education. This is another factual misrepresentation. Not that I'm casting aspersions on YOUR mental capabilities, but you might just want to not talk about something you're not familiar with in the first place.

Which is why I say, that please, do us all a favour and come here to the Campus. See it for yourself. And stop hating. We can do without your support, but it would be nice if Indians like us could stop being so insecure about be welcoming to change, instead of cowering from it.

I hope you infer that I am deeply disappointed by your childish attitude and your intellectual outlook- it does not speak well of the current legal minds in this country.

ps. I might be 18 but if I can be respectful to all in this forum and not take jibes, it would be best if you could find it in yourself to do the same. Gender-biased attitudes do not speak wisely of your dynamism and intelligence either, humbly speaking.
Anonymous 27 Feb 2010, 23:37
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Also, a correction- the phrase is - "working their ass off", not "working their ass out".

Just saying. :-)
Anonymous 28 Feb 2010, 01:02
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As an outside observer to this discussion to date I have to say that "proud to be Jindalite" has been a lot more eloquent than most others.

And #56, correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that non-Jindalites have spent at least equal time airing "gargantuan emotional treatise" on here rather than focusing on "working their ass out".
Anonymous 28 Feb 2010, 02:12
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i am not Jindalite!
Earlier even i use to think like all non-jindalite ...........
But my visit to the global law school has change my views abt it!
i request atleast give one visit to the global school everything all misconception will diminish rather eliminated!
I will consider it an obnoxious to say anything without no prior knowlegde or else!
N the reception one receive at jindal by jindalites atleast to me is a was remarkable!
My wishe jindal a great success !
Anonymous 28 Feb 2010, 05:00
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com'on #60. I'm sure you are a jindalite.
Anonymous 28 Feb 2010, 16:49
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while i did come here biased against jgls, i have to say that commenter 55 has acquitted her college and her self rather well. I'll reserve my opinion as regards the grand predictions of jindal's future blockbuster success etc., but the fact that this lady can be both articulate and polite while making some very valid points is forcing me to take jindal a little more seriously than i did, especially since nlu-ites of every description are making asses of themselves around here.

like the girl says, give them five years and then we'll talk. it shows an absolute lack of grace to be making my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours comparisons with a new kid on the block. now is a good time to remember nls's humble origins in light of its present greatness.

i wish all jindalites luck, and hope to kick your ass five years from now as well. ;-)
Anonymous guest 12 Mar 2010, 05:16
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well....great entertainment as well. Thanks to all. Good luck to Jindal and I wish all of you.... Great Success!
Anonymous guest 12 May 2010, 22:15
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Sadly the Jindal Reality has been exposed by the dirty endorsement of Khap Panchayats by Naveen Jindal, Chancellor, O.P. Jindal Global University.

Does this not mean that that talks of global legal education with exorbitant fee sucks as the most conservative ban on 'same gotra' marriages is supported by the Chancellor. Talk big but when it comes to vote bank show your dirt...
Anonymous guest 1 Jun 2010, 18:04
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I don't think one should mix politics with education when thinking of the recent controversy.
Jindal Global University should not be affected by what the politics of the Chancellor who is an MP but an industrialist as well, by virtue of the University was established, not because of political values.
The school administration and functioning is objective and largely autonomous of the Chancellor, because of which the media itself has not dragged the University, it's students and faculty and administration into this dirty war of votebanks, politics etc.
Anonymous guest 1 Jun 2010, 21:02
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how can a political minded non-law respecting chancellor,who supports age old panchayats can guide and be visionary to a great law school.he is indicating his students that what you learn is need not to be followed.
Anonymous guest 8 Jun 2010, 23:19
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excuse me he was not supporting age old panchayats, nither the kids like u are mature enough to talk about the vision of a Steel tycoon, gone are those days when jindal was known for its pipes, at the present era jindal is the biggest sponge iron producer in the world,he is a great shooter as well as a great jockey too, his disciplined life has inspired many and now he has even entered into politics, believe me bro managing all this at a time had always been a impossible task, Y do the people of our country are against the development of their own countrymen even,So my little silly goat it would be better if u stay out of it...
Anonymous guest 13 Jun 2010, 16:51
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Anybody received call from JGLS for 5 year course admission dis year??
Anonymous guest 15 Jun 2010, 07:18
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@ #64:
No seriously? You mean to say that the entire faculty(these are scholars from Ivy Leagues and other noted educationalists from across the world) and the students(18, impressionable but seriously old enough to form their opinions) will share the same views as Naveen Jindal just because he is the Chancellor?We obviously enjoy that much academic freedom. Do you realize that Jindal is only involved with the University on philanthropic terms, while not interfering with academics? The latter is obviously taken care of by Prof C.RajKumar( Google him as well, I'm sure it will take you days to read his CV). In fact, all you JGLS critics sitting in your double rooms in the respective Nationals, PLEASE google Sreeram Sunder Chaulia.
Besides, with regard to the Khap Panchayat, please read the views of Professor Vik Kanwar on our FB page of the Centre for Public Law and Jurisprudence:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Centre-on-Public-Law-and-Jurisprudence-CPLJ/283705045566
Anonymous guest 15 Jul 2010, 22:14
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Comment #64 above has not been written by me. Whoever you are, please use your own name while expressing your own opinions (and leave me to use mine). Thanks!
Anonymous guest 15 Jul 2010, 22:18
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thank you webmaster for removing my name from comment #64.
Anonymous guest 30 Jul 2010, 01:54
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@55
i read your comment with much interest and amusement.
there might be a revolution happening in jgls..no one denies it.. it is actually very heatening to see faculty being paid that big a salary, for once...at least it makes us all who consider academics a career option not lose hope.
but honestly, let us be honest and accept it, there is a subtle hint of arrogance in your tone when you write especially when you mention about how "what they had to say abou the institutions you defend"
the point, which you MUST always remember is this- each institution wil have its pros and cons. jgls may be doing some geat things..but there are certain "trappings" of an obvious wannabe class conscious institute it hasnt escaped-- if you are looking at attracting "world class faculty" why rquire them to have LLMs ONLY from foriegn universities? is that not an imbibed bias in itself-- the fact that your "revoluntionary" institution considers people who graduate from NLUs in india (with LLMs or LLB + 3 years+ work experience) as not deserving a chance? world class is not defined by which place you do your LLM from. it depends on your own capabilities.

dont get me wrong, but some of the faculty who teaches you, are either my friends or my batchmates or my seniors. i graduated from one of the top 3 NLUs in 2007. most of them come from "these institutions we are trying to defend". that in itself should tell you about the efforts and perseverance the initial batches of all nlus have put to take their institutions to the top and is reflective of its stellar quality. always remember that it is the students which make the institution and not vice versa. if there were no students, there would be no "revolution" in jindal. and if there were no nlus, you wont have the "revolution" because you would not have had the world class faculty. as an 18 year old who is yet to realise how much it hurts not to have a job, or have a low paying job and be mocked and derided, believe me-- there is a small but definite minority which wants to get into academics. its ridiculous conditions like the ones put by JGLS that thwarts many of our hopes. a lot many of us are in alternative careers because we love our jobs. even if i slog 15-20 years in the job i am in; i would never be able to earn enough to sponsor a good LLM for myself. and before you begin on the "S" word, let me tell yo: once you apply for your LLM you will know how difficult it is to secure a scholarship. you are LUCKY you are in jgls that it gives scholarships and studentships that easily. beleive me, MAJORITY of your prof's were not.
Mr.India 20 Jan 2012, 13:59
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The bottom line:

NLS faculty is pathetic (its like the faculty positions are reserved for some discards from Mysore University and lingarajapuram law college) while Jindal Faculty rocks!!

NLS students Rock while Jindal students are ok!!