JGLS, Yale and O.P. Jindal Global University (JGU) jointly hosted a conference last weekend at JGLS’ campus in Haryana on “globalisation in India and the USA”, examining law, governance and business with five Yale faculty members, including its president Professor Richard Levin attending.
The two-day conference was also attended by law minister Veerappa Moily, corporate affairs minister Salman Khursheed, NUJS vice-chancellor MP Singh, NLSIU Bangalore founder professor Madhava Menon and a combination of practising lawyers, professionals and business persons.
JGU vice-chancellor professor Raj Kumar said: “This is the first time that Yale as a university collaborated with us as a university. This event will the basis of a formal engagement. There are several courses we have planned and a joint training programme.”
Yale’s Levin said in his speech: “The rise of Asian universities should be seen not as a threat but as an opportunity. The rise in collaboration and research is a net gain and the gain should be shared by all; there are social benefits repaid by everyone.” Yale recently also signed a collaboration agreement with Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Kanpur and the Indian Institute of Management (IIM) Kozhikode.
The increasing collaboration between JGU and Yale follows JGLS’ hosting Yale professor Peter Schuck as a visiting professor for four months in early 2010.
However, Kumar added that JGLS had also forged ties with other US universities, such as Harvard Law School, University of Michigan Law School and Indiana University Maurer School of Law.
A number of Harvard students have stayed on JGLS’ campus, two JGLS faculty’s papers had been published in Harvard law journals and Kumar himself was invited to Harvard.
JGLS had also signed on MOU with Michigan to jointly establish a centre for global corporate and financial law and policy, and is collaborating significantly in student exchanges and research projects with Indiana University Maurer School of Law.
JGLS, which is in its second year of operation, took on 125 students this batch for its five-year LLB course, having received permission from the Bar Council of India (BCI) to increase its batch size. Around 15 students joined its three-year programme and a small class of six students enrolled in its LLM programme, said Kumar. Total student numbers at the law school were now at roughly 240. The LLM was launched in February 2010, one year ahead of schedule.
JGLS’ admissions test LSAT-India saw roughly 1,000 test takers this year. However, both last year and this year roughly 10 and three students respectively were selected through the Common Law Admissions Test (CLAT) for the five-year programme, explained Kumar, in this year because the batch size was increased by the BCI and shortlisted LSAT candidates had already accepted offers elsewhere.
Kumar also added that the reach from where students joined from was widening, with the scholarship pools also having been expanded to a total fund of Rs 2.5 crore per year. This was sufficient to fund 80 to 100 per cent of tuition fees for 10 per cent of students, said Kumar, with a total of 70 to 80 per cent of students studying on one form of scholarship or other.
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Look at the top law schools in the US, most started out as private institutions once upon a time that were given money by a rich benefactor (and were named after their founder, like Yale, Harvard, and so on...)
This insecurity from India's top law students is worrying.
--London associate
So I suppose the government school / cowshed that you went to didn't think it was important to teach you how to spell, or even form a coherent sentence that isn't riddled with grammatical errors? Being the daughter of a "big dadiees", I would consider it a good investment of my ("big dadiees'") money to spend 30 lakhs to send you back to primary school just so there would be one less moron inflicting spelling mistakes and other such verbal abuse upon the world.
One of the great things about JGLS is that they have a very dynamic VC. The administration of the NLUs are mostly lethargic. Students from NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS always complain about their administration. NLU students: Stop abusing JGLS and try to improve your own administration.
while i am sceptical of a lot of JGLS' actual course offerings and the relevance of their much-touted foreign faculty as a result, naveen jindal is not stupid and presumably knows what he is doing.
as for the #1's endearing but funny pride in his NLU - considering most faculty at NLUs - and yes, even top ones, NUJS being notable exception - is utter crap, the results a relatively forward and bright student will have with such crappy faculty should in the end be the same as the results a 12000-CLAT-ranker would have with excellent faculty.
or so JGLS needs to hope.
To #1 : As for CLAT - the kind of questions that are asked in CLAT - the less said the better; lets put it - CLAT is not a standardized test - I mean there is no assurance if a student scores high (or any kind of scores) in one year, then the same person will also score similar levels in a repeat CLAT attempt. A good test will be when a student score is around the similar levels in repeat testing - much the same way as you will test Gold - if the same lab tells 24 ct for one piece in one year and 18 ct for the same piece in next year - then there is the problem - usually with the testing lab......
I am more than sure that the jackasses who claim they're from the NLUs are from some shady colleges
and JGLS is a [...] farce.
The fee factor might come across as one of the deterring factors for the aspiring students, I am sure there are merit cum need based grants available. So lets not be insecure about this law school and appreciate it for its initiative to bring in a new wave of change to the Indian legal education.
last question to all you jindalites...---have u guys ever heard of SALMOND ??? HAHAHA...I KNOW YOU HAVN'T...LOL
Additional advantage of ISB is that it offers MBA in a year's time as compared to 2 years in IIMs. I don't see comparable advantages in Jindal's.
There have sarcastic remarks on LI comparing JGLS to IIPM. The truth is that JGLS has better funding, better faculty and a more pro-active VC than all NLUs. The VC is a Rhodes scholar you fools, not like bloody Arindam Chaudhury. He has better qualifications than most NLU VCs in fact.
A top-class private college is always better than a good government college because it has more academic and financial freedom. JGLS will surely be the next ISB and I wish them well.
P.S. I am from an NLU and I am not deluded like my colleagues.
Completely agree with #2. Cant be arsed into reading any of the other comments.
If an industrial tycoon is taking the time and effort to set a world-standard law school, more power to him. (Altho' seeing the proliferation of law schools, both govt. and private, I wish he had set up a medical school instead in partnership with John Hopkins or the like).
It's both the students AND faculty which make a successful educational institution. The IITs and IIMs - purely make their name because of their outstanding students. They hardly add any "value", so to speak, to their already very bright students.
Excellent school-level education in India - except for a few govt initiatives - is purely a private initiative. And here private schools DO add value. Almost all students learn to read and write well in the better mission/public schools. So teaching DOES count.
And if you look at the the Ivy league admissions....they take in a substantial number of students from very humble schools and colleges - and make them superstars in their field.
Frankly, I am amazed by the spiteful and mean-spirited comments. If a truly global, world class, educational institute is in the making - who is worse off? Surely, not India. (The billions which rich kids spend by going to study abroad - at least some of the money can be spent at home).
Also remember famous lawyers are UK grads of rich kids. But they are no doubt talented and some of them can be even regarded as jurists. So, it doesnt matter if u r rich kid, if u have great exposure u can become a great lawyer (provided u r willing to learn). And who knows some day JGLS may also beat Yale law school in Jessup. Plz give this new law school time to prove before u comment.
You are really stupid to get brainwashed by the bullshit in magazines like India Today about India being a knowledge superpower. We are a third world shithole (80% below poverty line) and our educational institutions reflect that.
I have been to Tokyo University and National University of Singapore and it's mindblowing. It is only colleges like that which can claim to be the Asian Harvard. Thankfully, they are not arrogant and stupid like us Indians to make such claims.
What i personally believe is that after all its the individual and his capabilities and will power that will help in becoming successful in life. the law schools or law colleges as they say are mere stepping stones or a good foundation. I have interned in several firms and have worked along with the guys from NLUs and other colleges and ive found guys from other colleges working much harder and smarter than the guys from NLUs. In the end if you have good brains and have the balls to stand for whhat you believe in nothing else matters.
I myself am studying in a tier 1 law school if u call it and i wouldnt say the people here have above above average IQ and the rest of the law students in India are dumb in front of us. It just that most of us are motivated to work hard because of the name our law school as BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK AND PASSION SHOWN BY OUR ALUMNI.
2nd year
GNLU
n yea i agree wid # 25..he makes lotta sense..
peace guys!!
Also working as an associate is different from running a law firm. A good partner may not be a good lawyer but he knows how to boost confidence in his clients - a skill which may be lacked by NLU pass outs. You cant expect Madhav Menon in NUJS to teach you how to bill your clients as compared to your business rivals.
Regarding IIM grads, Anil Ambani once said that fresh IIM grads dont have practical business sense. They are only bound by business models which they have studied as theory.
yes they can. many students who get in through the NRI/SC-ST quota in the NLUs are not intelligent but very hardworking. their hard work makes them get good marks and impresses employers. on the other hand, some of the most intelligent people in NLUs are often lazy and get poor marks. yes, the latter people are more interesting and have other talents, but do you think the shroff family gives a damn about that when then come to recruit? only marks and hard work counts in the real world.
JGLS students will go far. they have a pro-active VC and the college heavily inflates grades (nothing wrong in it).They will manage to send their students to do LLMs in good colleges abroad. Harvard will obviously prefer an 80% from Jindal over a 50% from an NLU. In this way JGLS students can get jobs abroad and outshine NLU students.
I wonder if the arrogant NLU students realise the enormous competition JGLS students will cause when they start applying for LLMs. Their marks are far superior.
A lawyer must be very careful with what he writes. I am from an NLU and have interned in 4 different law firms and worked in one law firm for 3 years. My experience is exactly contrary to what you suggest. Exactly contrary.
So don't waste your time discussing Zindal Law School.
Come over to Jindal- we will teach you how to frame a sentence. Not that English sh
I am a student at Jindal and I'm surprised at how people comment on the basis of their misconceptions and prejudice against another school. Rest assured, all students at Jindal are not 12000 rankers in CLAT. I went to LST for month long CLAT classes and found them terribly monotonous. Why do you people think that you're smarter if you cracked the CLAT. It just proves that you can adequately reproduce text from other sources- the making of a plagiarist. :/
Besides yours truly, several of my classmates and juniors had received offers of admissions to NLU's- NUJS onwards, besides the odd GLC, Symbi etc. I think more than half the class rejected their Symbi offers.
and that is why they are comparable to the best in the world. (4) With no real faculty and infrastructure NLS students teach themselves, compete hard and get into top LLM programs. At this point they ask themselves how much larger the world would have seemed if they had this kind of fac+infrastructure for five years instead of just one. (5)Wanting money, top NLS grads will always stay abroad, stick to the "magic circle", or else come back from LLMs/PHDs to teach at Jindal. (6)@#30 you are right that the magic combination (the true Harvard East) is NLS students + JGLS faculty, but bear in mind that JGLS is paying its faculty ten times NLS! The NLS-es will have to increase their fees tenfold to pay such a faculty (guess where all those JGLS fees go: not to Mr. Jindal, not to infrastructure, but to faculty). (7) Even the best NLS grads will not teach at an NLS let alone internationally known faculty.
So what is the way out of the vicious circle? Either one generation of NLS grads pursues LLMs AND PHDs and returns to teach at NLS (not likely), or else the toppers realize that for a limited time Jindal is willing to PAY incoming students to forego
an NLS for JGLS. That's right, JGLS can be free (!) for the best of you. That is the way right now to get the best faculty and the best students together and pretty soon you kids (or your younger sisters) will figure it out. That's the way to leapdfrog to the future!
I don’t mean to say that English is a parameter for deciding success in the field of law but NLU snobs need to understand that success in a standalone rote-learning based test like CLAT definitely does not determine intelligence. It just proves that you’re good at reproducing text from other sources- the makings of a plagiarist. The LSAT however, is a smart exam. You definitely need more balls to ace thaiot.
Seriously, all the misconceptions doing the rounds about Jindal make me smirk and no more. We all gave CLAT, and NO- we’re not all 12000 rankers. More than half of us gave up our admission offers t.o reputed institutes like Symbi, GLC, ILS and even- wait for it- the Nationals(NLUD,NUJS and lower). The next myth about all of us being rich, spoilt brats is just that- a myth. Most of us are children of hard-working parents, no more privileged than students from NLU. Calling us anything else is not only undermining our parents’ efforts but is simply a grossly exaggerated lie.
As for being invited to ‘Spiritus’ and what not. You seriously think our lives revolve around waiting tohat be invited to fests hosted by institutes with elitest, egocentric individuals like you? Not only is that a futile ego-boosting exercise on your part but we also need to make it clear that we, unlike you- are over high school. Gee, never mind the fact that I have Peter Schuck’s class to attend and research for one of my several, witty Yale/Harvard-returned (yet humble!) professor’s research centres, I should be disappointed and cry about the fact that I was not invited to one amongst several inter-law school festivals. What a bummer! My career in law is over! Just a fun fact- we went to Bangalore for Admit One last year.We placed 2nd. So much for cultural fests.
I’m not going to dispute the fact that the Nationals, besides being the most sought after institutions in the country are currently the best. Yet, they do not account for all the individuals in their midst- be it faculty or students. So, is a first-year Jindal student who reached the Quarter Finals of an Henry Dunant his year less intelligent than a senior NALSAR student who did not? Forget Jindal, substitute it with Nirma. My point is- comparisons like these are baseless and ineffectual.
As I saw it, Jindal has several benefits which the Nationals do not(And I don’t mean mess food. I don’t like it!) Now, all that’s left for us to do is soak it and utilize it. Which we will.
Heard about coexistence?
@ 9 - r u really from NLS ? I honestly had a high opinion about NLS guys when I was there in the Arbitration Conference last year !
People from the NLUs are spending so much energy lobbying against the bar exam. I wish they spent half as much energy lobbying the administration of their colleges to improve things.
Give Jindal 6-7 years. NLSIU, NALSAR and NUJS will be history.
But the fact is that an average Indian cannot afford the fees of JGLS and also the most of the students who get top NLUs. Moreover, even if they take loan for it, it would not be possible to repay it. 30 lakhs is a very big amount. One would think ten times before joining a institute with such a huge fee. Until and unless some batches of JGLS pass out and make their name, it wont be possible for them to get the decent students. What we can do is just wait and watch. But as of now, I wont suggest any student to lwave top NLUs for JGLS if he is from a rich background.
Some of us are on 100% scholarship and only pay mess and hostel fee. The rest of us have scholarships ranging from 25-75%. If not a scholarship, we're on studentships which gives us the opportunity to research for our professors' centres: provided we don't fail or face disciplinary action. Barely 10% of us are paying the full fee. I'm sure all colleges have a percentage of their students who are rich?
1st year
NLU Jodhpur
http://www.nls.ac.in/students/achievements/rhodes2010.htm
Don't need to say a thing more.
** Note-- Among the top 18 shortlisted for the final interview for Rhodes,I personally know more than 5 students who were from different National law universities...NALSAR,NLSIU and GNLU...
Kudos to Shreya Atre ( NALSAR) and Gautam Bhatia ( NLS Banglore) !!!
For us NLS grads to write them off is deplorable and presents an insecure attitude towards an encouraging development in India. The fostering of such schools only augurs well for legal education - something that the NLSes were originally set up to achieve.
Moreover, none of us care about the infrastructure- I personally do not go ga ga over it. And duh your mooting credentials will be better- they should! You guys have been around for quite a few years and have had so man more chances. Sitting and comparing like this just goes to show how insecure you are. Worried we'll end up with better placements in the next 4-5 years? Wait and watch.
#47: Good for you. After two decades and being the first to implement radical changes in the legal education, if you did not have so many Rhodes acceptees, it would be sad indeed. Are you among the 18 shortlisted?
It is sad that people are criticisng Prof Raj Kumar. The entry of foreign universities and law firms will transform the legal profession. The man deserves support.
Anyway, good luck to Jindal. I think you guys will go a long way.
1992: #1= NLSIU, #2 = DU, #3 = ILS
2002: #1= NSLIU, #2=NUJS (Madhav Menon factor), #3= NALSAR
2010: #1= NALSAR (no dispute), #2= NLSIU, #3= NLU Jodhpur (noses ahead of NUJS bcoz of better administration)
Do you see the point folks? Nobody can be #1 forever!! By 2020, foreign universities will have come in. Colleges with inefficient sarkari bureacracy (i.e. all the NLUs) will perish. JGLS can be the new #1 if Navin Jindal sells a stake to Yale.
And, the attempt of the NLU crowd to compare whose one is the biggest, like pimpled adolescents, is getting very irritating.
For heavens sake, not even one batch has graduated and the insecure NLU types are sh**
*ing their pants. Truly pathetic. And foul-smelling, too.
You people are just passing through a phase of anxiety because you also know that even an average student can be a great lawyer if proper guidance is given followed by enormous intellectual capital which JGLS has and NLUs lack.
I'm an NLUJ grad. Reading your comments, I shudder to think what is to become of my college if people like you are getting into it. Did you just say that you didn't want to go to a place where 'idiots' study? You think clearing CLAT makes you smarter than them? That's misconception One. These guys seem to be putting up a good fight here and I've seen first year interns from Jindal at my Delhi office work harder than some of the NLS kids. They definitely don't seem to be less enterprising.
You think you don't need to worry about placements because even the worst get good pay packages? That's misconception Two. We worked our asses off for our pay packages and our Ivy League admissions. It did not come easy to us. Admit it or not, with the multiple collaborations and exposure that these Jindal kids may be getting- THEY need not worry about placements, because THEIR worst students will get placed atleast at Jindal's corporate offices if not anywhere else. The best from your college will get brilliant packages while your worst will be nowhere. It all depends on what you're aiming for. You've a long way to go, so I'm hoping that as you go through your 5 years at Jodhpur, you're going to learn about the harsh realities of life, and would want to reconsider what you've just said. It's this elitist attitude that has rung the death knell for NLS kids. I appreciate your loyalties towards the college, but your remarks are absolutely unwarranted, as are the remarks by some of the other NLS kids.
@ 52: So Nalsar is undisputedly number 1 now in India, eh? Yeah, right.
It is evident that you are not from NLS,for the simple reason that NLS does not have a MCC.
So stop impersonating and do something useful.
Good luck to JGLS.
-3rd Year, NLSIU.
Which reminds me.... I was once flirting with a stunningly beautiful intern in the SC corridors. A spiky-haired specimen (after ogling at her for a while) strode up to us grandly , interrupted our conversation, announced that he was from "Law School" and demanded to know which college I was from. The girl intervened and informed him that she had done her LLB from Cambridge and was going to start her bar from London. She asked him where exactly "Law School" was, feigned ignorance when he said "NLS Bangalore", inquired whether everyone at his institution had hair like that, and asked him to kindly excuse us as we were discussing important matters.
pwned!! So does anyone else have any "I'm from Law School " anecdotes to share?
NUJS Student
- Mahatma Gandhi
Every place has their share of different people. I am sure your college has enough insufferable characters as well. Besides, how many of our students would you know to claim that he/she does not look like an impostor?
Time we got past the NLS bashing, isn't it? Get a life, do your courses well, and just chill macha! There is still a long road ahead after college.
Read the comments @9:
Why would a person from NLS wonder if JGLS got an invitation from GNLU????
I would urge LI to checks its facts before making such statements. You have not put this statement in quotation marks or atributed it to a person. Does this mean you confirm the authenticity of this statement?
I would like to know:
1) The name of the so-called Harvard students who studied at JGLS on exchange (unless "stayed on JGLS’ campus" mean something else)
2) The citations of the so-called harvard publications by so-called JGLS faculty
LI please remember that many CLAT aspirants visit this site. Publishing wrong information can mislead students and potentially ruin their lives. I urge you to check with JGLS. It is most irresponsible and unethical journalism if the statement is not true, as you have not quoted anyone but stated it as a fact.
I am not anti-Jindal but it is immoral and illegal to make fake claims. It will damage JGLS if it resorts to IIPM-style fake boasts.
However, I don't know if the first part was referring to a formal Harvard student exchange programme but is something more informal, although I have in the past met Harvard students who were visiting the JGLS campus. If any JGLS students wish to clarify, please feel free.
In terms of publications in law reviews, I have no references to those right now but we will hope to do some more research in this area.
Best regards
Kian
Can we know your name and which law school you teach in?
If the comments on this article (e.g. #1 & #9) are representative of the attitude of NLS students, then much more bashing would be in order to drive a little sense into their heads.
I cannot fathom why an article on a new school which has just completed one year should arouse so much resentment or is it envy. Does #53 have it right? For better or worse the reputation of a college or school depends on the achievements of its graduates and not by how much students blow their trumpets here.
I do not know who Nick (#73) is, but casting aspersions on his antecedents merely because he has written a supportive comment is not on especially as everyone here posts as an "anonymous guest". Perhaps LI should restrict posting privileges to registered users with verified details.
- Student of a leading NLU
In any case, whether you are the best or not will only be known 10 yeras from now after three or four classes have graduated and had time to make a name for themselves.
My son is now in the 2nd year of the 3 yr LLB course. He graduated from a US College. He studied there on a full scholarship based on his excellent SAT scores. Without this scholarship there is no way he could have studied abroad as the fees and living expenses would amount to my full salary. On graduating he worked as a para legal and did the LSAT. His scores were good enough (81st percentile) to get into a college ranked between 35/87 (low/high) out of 185. He received several offers, but for various reasons not the least being that financial aid offered was insufficient, returned to India. I hope I have given enough information to satisfy you that he is not stupid. As for his not being rich, you'll have to take my word.
When he first raised the subject of Jindal, I was sceptical about him joining a high cost institution with no track record at all - his being the first batch. However, after speaking to several people and, in particular a friend's daughter who is a Nalsar product I agreed to let him join. Having been to the campus and seen what they had put together in a space of less than a year from Bhoomi Puja to inauguration and also having met the faculty, I am satisfied that I made the right decision and have no regrets. Yes, the school is expensive, but here too my son has a studentship to bring the costs down. No unaided non-government institution can function without levying fees enough to meet expenses. If you want the best minds as faculty you have to pay them well. To repeat an old chestnut - pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys. Considering the very high faculty to student ratio the fees are not exhorbitant. Conferences and seminars with visitors from abroad also cost money. This may seem unnecessary to students from colleges which concentrate on class room work and completing the syllabus, but such exposure broadens the mind. The benefits may not be immediately apparent, but they are there.
I have never visited the top law schools - NLSIU/NALSAR/NUJS et al. I'm sure they're excellent places to study and produce excellent lawyers as demonstrated by the high value placed on graduates. However, all this sniping at JGLS seems to be terribly immature and unworthy of students who claim to have the best brains in the law student fraternity based on their cracking the CLAT and getting admission to the current top schools. If you really are the best and the brightest, then the emergence of a new school which works on a different philosophy should pose no threat. So why the animosity and abuse?
Give Jindal a chance. Three or five years from now when the students start graduating, we will find out whether JGLS is the real thing or just a bubble.
I will be very happy to see foreign universities trample over the NLUs if they are allowed in. The NLUs deserve a lesson. One particular so-called leading NLU is filled with useless and biased teachers and a lethargic administration. I had a horror experience a few days ago.
Good luck to JGLS! May it emulate ISB!
@ others : While it may be debatable which colleges are better for 5yr law. I think we can safely say that JGLS is the best for 3 yr law course. NLUs maybe comparable or better than JGLS but the old Indian govt law schools offering the 3 yr course are definately no match to JGLS.